Dmx?

[3BK]

Hey guys does DMX really breed Game Bred APBTS? is he also a brother to the sport? Just wonderin coz, if he is, what lines does he have? does he have Grand Champs and Champs?:confused:

[KnOck]

Hey guys does DMX really breed Game Bred APBTS? is he also a brother to the sport? Just wonderin coz, if he is, what lines does he have? does he have Grand Champs and Champs?:confused:
I'm a native New Yorker and I have friends back home that know DMX personally and yes he does have game bred dogs. He mainly runs Redboy and some Alligator. I was told that he has some champs and that the dog on the cover of his album is a grand champ. ;)

[3BK]

I'm a native New Yorker and I have friends back home that know DMX personally and yes he does have game bred dogs. He mainly runs Redboy and some Alligator. I was told that he has some champs and that the dog on the cover of his album is a grand champ. ;)
For reals? cool! I have almost all DMX's cd's. And I have his last album... and on his albums, he hav some nice lookin bulldogs!!! Does he sell his dogs too? What's his kennel name if I may ask? Thanks for the infos dawg!


yis....

[KnOck]

For reals? cool! I have almost all DMX's cd's. And I have his last album... and on his albums, he hav some nice lookin bulldogs!!! Does he sell his dogs too? What's his kennel name if I may ask? Thanks for the infos dawg!


yis....
As far as sellin any dogs, I pretty much doubt he does. He is a very private person, especially when it comes to his dogs. But if he does, give me a couple of days and I'll find out for ya ;)

[3BK]

As far as sellin any dogs, I pretty much doubt he does. He is a very private person, especially when it comes to his dogs. But if he does, give me a couple of days and I'll find out for ya ;)

Well, if u cud do that, it'll be great!!!! Thanks dawg!!! ;)

YiS...

[MMK]

i heard he bought a few from real deal kennels down off ch evander.
MMK

[3BK]

i heard he bought a few from real deal kennels down off ch evander.
MMK

It would be tight tho' getting in the show ring with him.... :D

[rastamon]

i heard he bought a few from real deal kennels down off ch evander.
i MMK i sincerely hope hes dealing with better stock than that.ive seen evander and quite a few of his offspring &geehad kennel ch black rascal is the only good one out the whole lot

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I recently met a so-call niece of his who was walking her APBT. Nice looking dog I will say but when she told me that her uncle "DMX"'s line came from "Rocky Balboa" I had to investigate. It turns out, the only dog by that name is not game bred at all! The kennel was full of looks but empty of game. I guess he is another "fool"ed by the look-a-likes!

IMO, DMX has done nothing (to my knowledge) to improve our dogs and knows little about them. DMX is always coming out in the local media for driving unregistered vehicles and the like.....not a very smart "wealthy" person IMO!

[houstonapbt]

IMO, DMX has done nothing (to my knowledge) to improve our dogs and knows little about them. Well, to your knowledge, what has he done wrong? And don't say that he starved his dogs and bring up that old story, because like it was said before, no one was there and we know the humaniacs get a little trigger happy at charging people up. Have you met DMX? How the hell would you know if he knows anything about them? Lol.

[SEAL]

yeah didnt he get some of his dogs seized recently?

[apbtwizard]

<TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Rapper DMX Charged with Animal Cruelty
Hackensack, NJ (US)

Date: Mar 15, 2002
Disposition: Convicted
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Abuser/Suspect: Earl Simmons (http://www.pet-abuse.com/profiles/342/)



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Rapper DMX will lend his voice to public service announcements against animal abuse as part of his sentence for animal cruelty.

DMX, whose real name is Earl Simmons, will make the radio announcements for the Humane Society of the United States. He also will pay production costs estimated at $20,000 under the sentence imposed Friday by state Superior Court Judge Donald R. Venezia.

Venezia also put Simmons on probation for a year and ordered him to pay $13,000 in fines for the 13 counts of animal cruelty to which he pleaded guilty, and $2,000 in fines for a disorderly conduct count and a drug paraphernalia count.

The sentence upheld terms of a January plea bargain that allowed the 31-year-old Simmons to avoid prison.

Under the deal, prosecutors dropped weapons and child endangerment charges against his wife, Tashera Simmons. Those charges each carry a maximum prison term of up to 10 years. The couple had lived in Teaneck and now live in Mount Kisco, N.Y.

The couple was going to trial, but the case fell apart when a key prosecution witness - Tashera's mother, Marcia Tate - refused to cooperate.

The case started on June 28, 1999, when police went to the Simmons home in Teaneck after finding Tashera's purse near the spot where the rapper's business manager was shot in the Fort Lee Hilton. The business manager, who is also Earl Simmons' uncle, was wounded in the foot. The shooting remains unsolved.

At the house, Tate told detectives that Simmons had been smoking crack cocaine all week and had whipped out a pistol in front of her. Police found a loaded 9 mm pistol in a dresser, hollow-nosed bullets, a high-capacity magazine and six "used glass cocaine-smoking pipes" in a bedroom vanity. They also found 13 pit bulls.

The couple's son, who was 6 at the time, and a 15-year-old cousin also were in the house, prompting the child endangerment charges.

Under the plea deal, Simmons forfeited all weapons and animals. "We thought this was an appropriate plea based on all the facts and circumstances," said Assistant Bergen County Prosecutor Ike Gavzy.

Simmons also must give $15,000 to the Bergen County chapter of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, which is to use the money for printed materials, Gavzy said. The Humane Society also may use his image on posters.

Case Updates

<TABLE class=updates width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=updatecell>Posted on Dec 23, 2003 - 11:19AM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=updatecell>On 8/22/03, we learned that Simmon's aka DMX was in violation of his probation for failure to successfully complete the animal cruelty public service announcements. The 1 year probation would have ended a few weeks earlier but was now extended because of this violation.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[dianabol]

Yep He Owns A Few Good Dogs But I Doubt He Would Want It For Everyone To See I Think We Did This Thread B4 Hhehehehehe..............whats Up Marty!!!!!=)

[gametime]

does anyone have any pics or peds of his dogs? there surely has to be a kennel thats supplying him with som dogs? anyone know who he deals w/ in the dogs?------------

[SEAL]

after reading that above article why would you want to get a dog from him? personally im not even sure i would buy dogs from the kennel that supplies him. to each his own i guess.

[houstonapbt]

after reading that above article why would you want to get a dog from him? personally im not even sure i would buy dogs from the kennel that supplies him. to each his own i guess.:rolleyes: ................lmao

[gametime]

i'm not wanting from him. i have my own stuff jus curious what he has .............

[Rockstar]

Personally, I'd like to pop that crack-smokin' headcase with my Louisville Slugger. If he'd stand up and discourage his flock from using these dogs as weapons and fashion accessories I might show him some props. Instead he promotes his "gangstas, guns, and pitbulls" horseshit to millions.

[houstonapbt]

Personally, I'd like to pop that crack-smokin' headcase with my Louisville Slugger. If he'd stand up and discourage his flock from using these dogs as weapons and fashion accessories I might ...show him some props. Instead he promotes his "gangstas, guns, and pitbulls" horseshit to millions.lmaoooo...i heard he IS a crack head...

[apbtwizard]

http://www.hadofnyc.org/magazine/images/DMX6.jpgNext, DMX made his entrance with two of his pitbulls, wearing his Boomer 129 Dogwear line. I got very scared like lots of others, and took a step back. As you know, pitbulls can be viscous. They were not on a leash. I got to tell you, DMX had these dogs trained very well. I take my hat off to him. They followed all of his instructions, walked around, rolled over, did little theatrics. Posed with pictures, and as the two penthouse pets joined in to take pictures with DMX, the dogs were very calm, and were not distracted one time with so many things going on. It definitely got my attention.

[houstonapbt]

Next, DMX made his entrance with two of his pitbulls, wearing his Boomer 129 Dogwear line. I got very scared like lots of others, and took a step back. As you know, pitbulls can be viscous. They were not on a leash. I got to tell you, DMX had these dogs trained very well. I take my ...hat off to him. They followed all of his instructions, walked around, rolled over, did little theatrics. Posed with ...pictures, and as the two penthouse pets joined in to take ...pictures with DMX, the dogs were very calm, and were not distracted one time with so many things going on. It definitely got my attention.:cool: ...he looks cracked out in the pic, lmao

[apbtwizard]

There's a Pit Bull in there picture up against the bus

<CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/10.jpg</CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER>Here's another one</CENTER><CENTER><CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/3.jpg</CENTER><CENTER>Very nice picture...NOT</CENTER><CENTER><CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/5.jpg</CENTER><CENTER>His tattoo...Do you know how hard it was to find this picture...</CENTER><CENTER><CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/dmx116.jpg</CENTER><CENTER>Here's another one</CENTER><CENTER><CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/dmx14.jpg</CENTER><CENTER>Here's another one of his tattoo</CENTER><CENTER><CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/dmxback.jpg</CENTER><CENTER>What kind of pup is that??</CENTER><CENTER><CENTER>http://xnez.tripod.com/DMX/NewPics/NewDMXpics/images/dmxpitbig.jpg</CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER>

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

to each his own...


:cool: ...he looks cracked out in the pic, lmao

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Like I said, I do not know the guy, I met a so-call niece. She told me of the dog her "uncle" gave her off Rocky Balboa. I searched for this name and found it to be a bred for looks dog. This is why I stated he must not know much about the real game dogs.

Well, to your knowledge, what has he done wrong? And don't say that he starved his dogs and bring up that old story, because like it was said before, no one was there and we know the humaniacs get a little trigger happy at charging people up. Have you met DMX? How the hell would you know if he knows anything about them? Lol.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Man, Rockstar, if you were not an admin I would give you some rep points for that! I like rap (R&B) and some of his music but when it comes to my dogs and him.....Grrrr
Personally, I'd like to pop that crack-smokin' headcase with my Louisville Slugger. If he'd stand up and discourage his flock from using these dogs as weapons and fashion accessories I might show him some props. Instead he promotes his "gangstas, guns, and pitbulls" horseshit to millions.

[apbtwizard]

what happened to all my pictures I posted up??

[Rocky H. Balboa]

It is purple haze! LMAO!

:cool: ...he looks cracked out in the pic, lmao

[CB]

I think DMX has alot of love for the breed and really takes care of his dogs. You can tell by some of his songs the way he talks about them that he cares for the breed. Go and download the intro to the Grand Champ Cd and listen.

[SEAL]

you can tell by some of his songs then that he is a no good peice of well yeah. if we are going by what he raps about. just another gang bagger with a pit. even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then so hey him having positive press sometimes doesnt make up for the bulk of it which is negative.
as an entertainer ok
as a rep for our breed im gonna go with a negative opinion here.

[houstonapbt]

Like I said, I do not know the guy, I met a so-call niece. She told me of the dog her "uncle" gave her off Rocky Balboa. I searched for this name and found it to be a bred for looks dog. This is why I stated he must not know much about the real game dogs."SO-CALLED". You said it. Many people have said that he seems to know what he's doing with the dogs. The "looks cracked out" comment was just a joke, T.T. I mean, he probably does smoke rocks, that ain't my problem, all I know is the man in that picture looks like he loves them dogs...if he does mistreat his dogs and all that, then F*** HIM...I'm just defending the fact that the press BULLSHITS a whole lot, and there IS a chance he isn't a crack head and ISN'T an idiot with his dogs, etc.,

[Mudville_Monsta]

well here goes my 2 cents. he has been known to smoke crack, marijuana and drink yes. he's even admitted to it and has put it into his music. does this make him make bad decisions maybe, but we all have our bad traits and habits whatever they may be.these are his downfalls and not ours to judge. not sure if the info given by the media is true or not but we all know how that goes. if he wasn't giving the best treatment to his dogs well then he's paying for it and hopefully he'll learn his lesson. as far as him knowing about this breed it seems that he is more knowledgable than some members here. though all of you aren't fans of rap or hip-hop if you listen to his music you'll hear his refferences to this breed in many forms. lingo, philosophy, background samples and other methods that do apply to them being on the game side of this breed and not lazy ol petbulls. he has a great passion for them and i think his intentions are overlooked by his bad decisions. i know that he and other members of the ruff ryders have made a dog food especially for the game bred apbt and it was named game dog professional. his own personal record label is named bloodline records. as for the dog on his grand champ cd cover, that dog isn't his. it was borrowed from a certain kennel and goes by the name CH Sabbotage A.K.A Ch Ruger. he has pics of apbt's on it and also has a piece of a ped that has dogs names like Mtn.Mans lil bill jr, Baileys Red Rex, Hoffman's Bad Boy and also the word CHampion and the definition. hope this helps a little for those who are not sure or passing judgement of him being a pet bull lover or at least not passionate about this breed and what they represent.

[SEAL]

he is the best example of the type of person that cause these dogs to get guilt by association. Regardless of how nice he is to his dogs due to his public persona and proven infadelities he is not the role model i want my dogs equated to. The game as you refer to it in DMX's lyrics is nothing more than the street thug rip off of highclass blood sports. Just like the lil gangsters who try to act out this diluted version of what the mofia used to be.

[Mudville_Monsta]

unfortunately everybody the media portrays with this breed is not the role model that you or anybody else would want for this breed or our dogs. this is a plain and common ploy used by them to discredit this breed and those who own them. have you seen anybody potrayed by the media as a good role model for this breed? like i said in my post his problems have overcasted his passion for the breed.as far as for the street thug rip off of high class blood sports, how would you personally know this, i don't. i don't know if he has been active in any illegal activities or if he hasn't so how would you. i was using these examples as a way of showing how he expresses his passion for them, not saying that he is the perfect role model or that he is a bonafide dogman. also guilt by association shouldn't bother you as long as you know that you are a good owner and representitive of this breed. strength, honor, pride, and knowledge are more powerfull than blind ignorance. if guilt by association would bother me i'd be hiding out from everybody who has ever seen me with any of my dogs. also though many people do try to put on an image that isn't who they really are for the purpose of record sales or whatever it may be, we can't for sure say he is one of those who is or isn't.

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

best piece of typing i seen in a while. :)





unfortunately everybody the media portrays with this breed is not the role model that you or anybody else would want for this breed or our dogs. this is a plain and common ploy used by them to discredit this breed and those who own them. have you seen anybody potrayed by the media as a good role model for this breed? like i said in my post his problems have overcasted his passion for the breed.as far as for the street thug rip off of high class blood sports, how would you personally know this, i don't. i don't know if he has been active in any illegal activities or if he hasn't so how would you.

[Mudville_Monsta]

thanks for the compliment.

[tommy3]

unfortunately everybody the media portrays with this breed is not the role model that you or anybody else would want for this breed or our dogs. this is a plain and common ploy used by them to discredit this breed and those who own them. have you seen anybody potrayed by the media as a good role model for this breed? like i said in my post his problems have overcasted his passion for the breed.as far as for the street thug rip off of high class blood sports, how would you personally know this, i don't. i don't know if he has been active in any illegal activities or if he hasn't so how would you. i was using these examples as a way of showing how he expresses his passion for them, not saying that he is the perfect role model or that he is a bonafide dogman. also guilt by association shouldn't bother you as long as you know that you are a good owner and representitive of this breed. strength, honor, pride, and knowledge are more powerfull than blind ignorance. if guilt by association would bother me i'd be hiding out from everybody who has ever seen me with any of my dogs. also though many people do try to put on an image that isn't who they really are for the purpose of record sales or whatever it may be, we can't for sure say he is one of those who is or isn't.Good post.
It seems that most of the people here have not really listened to the man's music. We all have made mistakes and so has this man. Who are you to judge him? Everything you all are basing your opinions off of is propaganda. The same exact thing the public does to us and our dogs.

[SEAL]

i was referring to the dogs guilt by association for being linked to the likes of DMX. His ties to the thug lifestyle are expressed in the majority of his songs. So thats how he links himself to the low level exploitation of a great and once mighty breed. MY point being that he doesnt make it hard for the press to come up with their reports. Propoganda 2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect
what most people would call reporting his arrest and evidence as fact.
Whether the stories are true or not his negative aura affects our breed and its reputation no matter how good some may find him he is a villian in the general publics eyes.

[rocksteady]

Why doesnt someone invite DMX to this site so we can hear it straight from him and not a bunch of heresay....

I dont know the man personally.. do any of you? I bet it would be a different story if you did.. how many would tell the man to his face all they say on here about him? Maybe you'd get somewhere talking to him and learn what his reasonings are rather than talk crap on a board about him..

have all points been made? because without hearing it from the man himself, this will continue to go 'round and 'round

[tommy3]

Why doesnt someone invite DMX to this site so we can hear it straight from him and not a bunch of heresay....

I dont know the man personally.. do any of you? I bet it would be a different story if you did.. how many would tell the man to his face all they say on here about him? Maybe you'd get somewhere talking to him and learn what his reasonings are rather than talk crap on a board about him..

have all points been made? because without hearing it from the man himself, this will continue to go 'round and 'round
Ain't that the truth. Hey Rockys Human, why won't you ask DMXs niece for us? LMAO

[Rockstar]

Why doesnt someone invite DMX to this site so we can hear it straight from him and not a bunch of heresay....

I dont know the man personally.. do any of you? I bet it would be a different story if you did.. how many would tell the man to his face all they say on here about him? Maybe you'd get somewhere talking to him and learn what his reasonings are rather than talk crap on a board about him..

have all points been made? because without hearing it from the man himself, this will continue to go 'round and 'round
Sure, I'll invite him. Just as soon as he's released from the 70-day sentence he's serving in Rikers Island:/

[SEAL]

roflmao...........

[planecrazy]

What's up with the Ruff Riders? I guess what I mean is...what is their connection with DMX and pits?

[14rock]

What's up with the Ruff Riders? I guess what I mean is...what is their connection with DMX and pits?
DMX is a member of the ruff ryders, DMX owns APBT's.

[Mudville_Monsta]

since your arguement is based on the general publics view of who is represented in the media and how that effects our dogs and how their viewed. i want to ask if you think that MR.B. a well known and respected man in apbt community and from your neck of the woods is a bad role model or if he has attached a bad aura to this breed. to my knowledge he was not a drug user and he did not portray a thug lifestyle, but he was called the godfather of dogfighting and was portrayed as a bad man in the media. he bred these dogs for many years and has one of the most respected bloodlines ever, also has a great bank of knowledge whether it be breeding, raising or whatever when it comes to this breed. if not then it seem as if your opinions contridict themselves and if you do then it seems as if you yourself might be a danger to the breed. oh yeah and i think it was knock that posted that he has friends that know DMX. hopefully i can see his personal opinion on this topic.

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

id bet zero percent would... and rockstar,ill be sure to remember to ask u have u contacted him in 70 days.





I bet it would be a different story if you did.. how many would tell the man to his face all they say on here about him?

[planecrazy]

Was it the same Ruff Ryders who had their own line of pit bull dog food they were selling in the Gazette?

[rocksteady]

Sure, I'll invite him. Just as soon as he's released from the 70-day sentence he's serving in Rikers Island:/

lol .... He's not god..he's only human.. besides.. somewhere, somehow most everyone breaks a law ...where it be little itty bitty or major screwed.. .. difference is some get caught, some dont.. But really. We arent his maker nor his judge ... FLoyd went to jail, too ... so going to jail means nothing,

[idgie]

I understand why people have issues with DMX, but from his lyrics and biography (yes, I read his bio, lol) I honestly think he cares a great deal about the dogs. Parts of his bio are featured in the Outlaw Bible of American Literature, alongside literary greats like Jack Kerouac, Henry Miller, etc.!
Also, BTW, Garner's Bolo 2X is in DMX's next video.

[Rockstar]

lol .... He's not god..he's only human.. besides.. somewhere, somehow most everyone breaks a law ...where it be little itty bitty or major screwed.. .. difference is some get caught, some dont.. But really. We arent his maker nor his judge ... FLoyd went to jail, too ... so going to jail means nothing,
He's not God... Well, Rock-1, to millions he may as well be. He's worshipped just the same. My only beef with him is that he encourages his fans to run out and buy a "pitbull" but he doesn't offer any guidence to go along with it. He's brazenly public about matching his dogs and setting them loose on his enemies. When millions try to emulate you, that's a dangerously irresponsible message to send. For that I can have nothing but contempt for him.


id bet zero percent would... and rockstar,ill be sure to remember to ask u have u contacted him in 70 days.
You'd bet wrong. And most definitely he'll be invited to share his opinion on this site. If you'd like the number for his agent, let me know. You can invite him yourself;)

[ABK]

IMO DMX is one of the worst things to happen to the breed. Don't y'all remember all the bad press he brought the breed when he featured snarling APBTs facing off in one of his videos? Right then I concluded the man was a moron. What kind of responsible person who loves the breed would do that? They wouldn't! And that was only the 1st of several of his antics that put APBTs in a bad light.

DMX just uses these dogs. He doesn't love them or care about them. To him they're just a penis extention, something to make himself seem "bad ass." He uses them to promote his "gansta" image to boost his "cred" (not to mention his record sales!). This guy is like a tick, a user, using the breed for his own gains. He doesn't love the breed, nor is he good for it.

JMHO ...

[DEADGAME14]

Personally, I'd like to pop that crack-smokin' headcase with my Louisville Slugger. If he'd stand up and discourage his flock from using these dogs as weapons and fashion accessories I might show him some props. Instead he promotes his "gangstas, guns, and pitbulls" horseshit to millions.CHEERS TO THAT BRUDER!

[tommy3]

He's not God... Well, Rock-1, to millions he may as well be. He's worshipped just the same. My only beef with him is that he encourages his fans to run out and buy a "pitbull" but he doesn't offer any guidence to go along with it. He's brazenly public about matching his dogs and setting them loose on his enemies. When millions try to emulate you, that's a dangerously irresponsible message to send. For that I can have nothing but contempt for him.

He has never told anyone to buy a pit bull. He has never said that he matched his dogs on any song, he has never said that he set them loose on his enemies. Once again you do not know what you are talking about.



You'd bet wrong. And most definitely he'll be invited to share his opinion on this site. If you'd like the number for his agent, let me know. You can invite him yourself;)If you are going to talk about the man behind his back, at least you can get your facts straight.

[rocksteady]

well lets put this in a different lite.. I remember someone wanting to know what they should do because they say dogs ,which were in the publics view, that could have very well been neglected (dirty water, mud, ect) and they were told to go talk to person and mind their own business.. So.. how is the same not applied to DMX and his dogs? mind our own business?? Why is it ok for someone to neglect or not give theeri dogs the best of care and the thought was "help them out" yet people cringe because DMX "promotes" whatever he promotes? On one hand by ignoring neglect we are promoting that its ok to keep dogs however we want... dirty water, mud and all (and again, these dogs were in the public's view..no one was snooping or loking over privacy fences..)

same principles..

[tommy3]

IMO DMX is one of the worst things to happen to the breed. Don't y'all remember all the bad press he brought the breed when he featured snarling APBTs facing off in one of his videos? Right then I concluded the man was a moron. What kind of responsible person who loves the breed would do that? They wouldn't! And that was only the 1st of several of his antics that put APBTs in a bad light.

DMX just uses these dogs. He doesn't love them or care about them. To him they're just a penis extention, something to make himself seem "bad ass." He uses them to promote his "gansta" image to boost his "cred" (not to mention his record sales!). This guy is like a tick, a user, using the breed for his own gains. He doesn't love the breed, nor is he good for it.

JMHO ...I agree that there are plenty of people out there that bought pit bulls because they saw them in DMXs videos and because they heard DMX talking about how great they are. I agree that there he is not a benefit to the breed. However, he isn't breeding man biters and his dogs aren't the ones that are attacking people. He is not the one that we need to worry about. He has never told kids to fight their dogs, he has never said anything about siccing a dog on a person. Half of the rap videos show a pit bull somewhere in it. Why won't you bash them too? At least this guy talks good about them. Outside of his videos that show dogs facing off and his drug problem, I have never seen or heard anything that DMX has done to damage the breed. His songs always talk about how great they are and never about them attacking people (like some people here claim). If you don't like the man, leave it at that. Don't spread lies and rumors in an attempt to get your point across. There are things like breeders that are breeding attack pit bulls that we should worry about. Yet, you all want to bash someone behind his back and use propaganda to do it. I have to admit I have done the same thing with out thinking (ie Diane Jessup). But, it isn't right and you know it. I am sure we can find something better to talk about. Maybe, something that can produce results besides more talk that gets nowhere and just spreads rumors.

[ABK]

Bashing? Propaganda? I see nothing but ppl telling the truth. It's a known fact that DMX made that moronic video. It's known fact he promotes the "gangsta" lifestyle & it's known fact he's a druggie. As for saying anything behind his back, this is a public convo out in the open for anyone's eyes to see, including his.

No one said they liked or condoned animals kept in poor condition. The advice given (MYOB or talk to the person) were given b/c firstly the dogs may have been seized by AC & then "pit bull fighter neglects dogs" would have been splashed all over the evening news. (Yes, I know no one said they were dogfighters but you can bet your bottom dollar that's what the lead-in on the news would say.) Plus, the person may have been in a bad way & doing the best they could.

Such is not the case w/ DMX. Like I said before, DMX doesn't love the breed. He's just using it (in a bad way I might add) for his own personal gain. He may not rap about fighting or explictly say "go fight your pits" yet he shows them facing off in his videos! Actions speak louder than words & this video was seen nationwide by millions of ppl! In case you didn't remember, it caused a huge nationwide stir from the pet crowd & in my area caused a nasty backlash against pit bulls. In fact, if I remember correctly, a piece was even done on the video by the Today show! You say "OK so he did one bad thing" but this one bad thing was a colossal mononic blunder that negatively affected pit bull owners nationwide!

As for his dogs, we don't know if they're out there biting folks or not, as most ppl don't know the bloodlines of the dog that bit them. But I can bet your bottom dollar some of 'em are in the hands of some dead head gang-banger trying to emulate DMX ... :(

[rocksteady]

So you know from experience then? Personally? You have been to DMX's "yard" or whatever..you have personally owned his dogs, spoken with the man?

And it is the same thing.. even if someone has fallen upon hard times, that NO EXCUSE to keep dogs in poor condition. If people truely love their dogs as claimed, they would have enough sense to a) find someone to take care of them b) help them out c) get rid of them!!!

Its stil the same point "what one does with his dogs is his own business"

people are making it sound like DMX is the root of all problems.. low lifes were gettign these dogs way before DMX ...

[Rockstar]

He has never told anyone to buy a pit bull. He has never said that he matched his dogs on any song, he has never said that he set them loose on his enemies. Once again you do not know what you are talking about.

No need for such disrespect. I have my opinion of the man, and you obviously have yours. DMX-worshippers will acquire bulldogs just because he and a few others have made it trendy to do so. He doesn't have to literally say "go buy a pitbull." People will do it because they want to be like him.
I've heard him in interviews make such comments as "I'll feed so-and-so to my dogs" and "I'll turn my dogs on 'em." At a highly publicized awards event he said onstage that he owns a grand champion. "She's a grand champion because she won five pit fights..."
Then of course there is the video displaying the snarling dogs. Some of his lyrical content consists of lines such as:

"Just go ahead and lock jaws and your half I got yours
Send in the dog I smell it all night"

"Ruff Ryders feed all they dogs wit raw blood"

"Have you forgotten what it means when a dog shows his teeth?
Let me break it down for you he's about to attack you"

"It seem they've forgotten how dark it could get
Barks like a pit, scratch when i hit"

"When Niggaz hear that dog bark,
they betta run, when police hear
that dog bark they betta come"

"if you a dog, you better bite before you bark"

"From his camp get the stamp, the grand champ, it's official
Think when you die, how many's gonna miss you"

...and blah blah blah.

"Oh, but his terminology is symbolic..." would be a common argument.
I don't give a fat froggy's ass if it's symbolic or not. When he refers to himself and his cronies as "pitbulls" who kill people, how can I respect him?

Happy Thanksgiving.

[tommy3]

He has never told anyone to buy a pit bull. He has never said that he matched his dogs on any song, he has never said that he set them loose on his enemies. Once again you do not know what you are talking about.

No need for such disrespect. I have my opinion of the man, and you obviously have yours. DMX-worshippers will acquire bulldogs just because he and a few others have made it trendy to do so. He doesn't have to literally say "go buy a pitbull." People will do it because they want to be like him.
I've heard him in interviews make such comments as "I'll feed so-and-so to my dogs" and "I'll turn my dogs on 'em." At a highly publicized awards event he said onstage that he owns a grand champion. "She's a grand champion because she won five pit fights..."
Then of course there is the video displaying the snarling dogs. Some of his lyrical content consists of lines such as:

"Just go ahead and lock jaws and your half I got yours
Send in the dog I smell it all night"

"Ruff Ryders feed all they dogs wit raw blood"

"Have you forgotten what it means when a dog shows his teeth?
Let me break it down for you he's about to attack you"

"It seem they've forgotten how dark it could get
Barks like a pit, scratch when i hit"

"When Niggaz hear that dog bark,
they betta run, when police hear
that dog bark they betta come"

"if you a dog, you better bite before you bark"

"From his camp get the stamp, the grand champ, it's official
Think when you die, how many's gonna miss you"

...and blah blah blah.

"Oh, but his terminology is symbolic..." would be a common argument.
I don't give a fat froggy's ass if it's symbolic or not. When he refers to himself and his cronies as "pitbulls" who kill people, how can I respect him?

Happy Thanksgiving.
I apologize, I meant no disrespect. You are very knowledgable when it comes to the breed and I respect that and I respect your opinions. I am pretty sure that I have learned many things from your posts. However, I do not see it necessary that people state their opinions as fact when in fact, they are not. I agreed that he is not good for the breed. He has done and said many things that are not good for the breed and he does use the pit bull image as a selling point. That is true. I am not arguing that. Those lyrics are figurative, as you say but they are not good for the breed either. However, there has been alot of comments posted that has no basis on fact and it is just un-necessary. It is possible to say that you don't like the man without making up things or using rumors to validate your opinion and I am not talking directly to you. This has been done by many others throughout all of this bickering.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Actually, I gave her the site's address but do not know if / when she will login. If DMX is like her, "they already know everything about the dogs!" I will certainly suggest this to her if/when I see her again.

Ain't that the truth. Hey Rockys Human, why won't you ask DMXs niece for us? LMAO

[Rockstar]

I apologize, I meant no disrespect. You are very knowledgable when it comes to the breed and I respect that and I respect your opinions. I am pretty sure that I have learned many things from your posts. However, I do not see it necessary that people state their opinions as fact when in fact, they are not. I agreed that he is not good for the breed. He has done and said many things that are not good for the breed and he does use the pit bull image as a selling point. That is true. I am not arguing that. Those lyrics are figurative, as you say but they are not good for the breed either. However, there has been alot of comments posted that has no basis on fact and it is just un-necessary. It is possible to say that you don't like the man without making up things or using rumors to validate your opinion and I am not talking directly to you. This has been done by many others throughout all of this bickering.
I hear where you're coming from. Let me explain my position a little more clearly. In Washington State where I live, there are many areas where street gangs run like the plague. In my city with a population of around 100,000, there are Surenos, Nortenos, Barrios Los Padrinos, Southside Locos, Brick City, Native Gangster Bloods, Matons, Playboys and Playgirls, and others that I can't think of right now. New gangs are moving in every year. Crime and violence is terrible. You're liable to be shot for wearing rosary beads or an Emmit Smith jersey...or have your house firebombed. I'm not proud to admit that my own young brother went to prison for a drive-by shooting, then went back two months after his release for assaulting a police officer. Just recently a guy emptied a whole magazine of an AK-47 at a christian music concert. A musician friend of mine, Danny Guyer *RIP* was stabbed in the heart and killed a couple months ago. Things are worse in cities such as Tacoma and Yakima, and I can't imagine what it's like in southern California or NYC. With the popularity of DMX, all these gangbangers are breeding the hell out of bulldogs, stealing them (I had 9 stolen last year), rolling them in their front yards, and making them people-aggressive. In Yakima and Bridgeport(where I used to live) these dogs have been outlawed due to attacks on people and pets, strays wandering the streets, mothers found nursing litters in abandoned buildings, etc. About a hundred miles north of me there is the infamous "Blood Alley," where gangster-types go to roll their dogs. No ref, no rules, no aftercare, no respect. Many of these people will freely admit that DMX is an influence on their decisions to do what they do. Maybe if the man truly realized the negative effect he is having on the bulldog community, he would make an effort to change it, but i just don't think he cares one way or the other. Of course I can't say that as a fact. I'd be very interested in hearing what he had to say about this issue.

[ABK]

"what one does with his dogs is his own business"

Wrong! Not when it affecs the community as a whole! For example, say I go out & let my dog piss in your only source of clean drinking water. Are you going to come up & say "what one does with his dogs is his own business?" I doubt it! What I did w/ my dog affected you in a negative way.So I doubt you're going to come up to me all chummy & say "what one does with his dogs is his own business." :rolleyes:

Think about it - when they pass BSL they don't say "OK, this new BSL is only for the Johnson household. Life for everyone else goes on as normal." Yeah, right - we all know that's not how it works. And when you got unsavory ppl doing unsavory things w/ pit bulls, esp. right out in public, it affects us all!

I also agree if you can't take care of your dogs you should re-home them until you can. There is no excuse for neglect. But some folks would rather catch as catch can than give up their dogs.

[tommy3]

I am from Atlanta and I am very aware of crime and the idiots that mis-use these dogs and abuse them. It is running rampant here also. However, to say that DMX is the reason, is crazy. The reason that these people are getting bulldogs is because of the negative image that they have, not because DMX likes bulldogs. Sure, he may add a little to the problem. But, the truth is, DMX doesn't hold much weight at all. He is a good artist but in areas like Atlanta, most people aren't really fans. Yet, these people are still abusing the dogs and destroying the breed. It has nothing to do with DMX. It has everything to do with the negative image that the breed has as a whole. This is a result of the media in general. Not the workings of one man.

[ABK]

No, DMX isn't the cause. It was going on before DMX & it will go on after him. But he DOES present the "thug life gangsta pit bull" thing as cool. This will therfore ...

1: Attract riff-raff to the breed.

2:Will cause some who wouldn't otherwise do so to emulate him.

3: Puts our breed in a bad light w/ JQP.

So no, while DMX is not the root cause; he does present it, promote it & keep it going.

As for who he reaches, don't underestimate this guy. His album "Flesh of my Flesh, Blood of my Blood" sold almost a million copies in it's first two weeks! And that's just one album!

[Rockstar]

I don't think anyone is saying he's a cause, but he's certainly a huge contributor.

[bdub]

crackheads cant take care of dogs,,hell they cant even take care of themselves

[tommy3]

I don't think anyone is saying he's a cause, but he's certainly a huge contributor.
Come on now....
The huge contributer is the fact that our dogs are bred for fighting and they look tough. If DMX didn't exist, the problem would still be here, unchanged. A tough looking fighting dog is the perfect pick for people seeking an ego boost. DMX or no DMX. Think about it.... Do you really think that if DMX didn't exist, we wouldn't have the same exact problems anyways? It is bound to happen, no matter what. It sucks, but the truth is, an elite fighting dog such as a pit bull is going to attract negative attention and the wrong people.

[Rockstar]

I can only speak for what I know, and what I know is that up around here the whole bulldog craze started with the popularity of DMX. Before Dark as Hell and Flesh of My Flesh these dogs weren't too common. While these two albums were eating up the charts, the bulldog population was exploding.

Take a look at all the BSL laws that have been passed since '98, compared to before.

[bdub]

Bsl Is Bs And Rappers Do Help With The Banning Of Our Dogs

[ABK]

Our breed has been bred for fighting & has looked tough for over 200 years, but we never had the problems we do now. In fact, the pit bull problems & the gangsta rap movement seem to have cropped up together & have increased in tandem. Coincidence? I doubt it ...

[tommy3]

I can only speak for what I know, and what I know is that up around here the whole bulldog craze started with the popularity of DMX. Before Dark as Hell and Flesh of My Flesh these dogs weren't too common. While these two albums were eating up the charts, the bulldog population was exploding.

Take a look at all the BSL laws that have been passed since '98, compared to before.
I agree that the problems and negative images of the breed really started picking up in the mid 90s So, it is easy to make that assumption.

[Crash97]

Come on now....
The huge contributer is the fact that our dogs are bred for fighting and they look tough. If DMX didn't exist, the problem would still be here, unchanged. A tough looking fighting dog is the perfect pick for people seeking an ego boost. DMX or no DMX. Think about it.... Do you really think that if DMX didn't exist, we wouldn't have the same exact problems anyways? It is bound to happen, no matter what. It sucks, but the truth is, an elite fighting dog such as a pit bull is going to attract negative attention and the wrong people.Well, I'll tell ya. You never heard so much as a peep about pitbulls until they fell into the hands of the general public, before that they were in working hands such as dogmen and those using them for hunting. Now they're in the hands of fools, the uninformed and the plain ol' blind to reality types. And most of the real issue comes from ghetto trash and wannabe tough guys (often one and the same) dirtying up the game. Now don't start the perrenial whine fest about the use of the word "ghetto". I'm not using it to describe any minority group but instead as a blanket term for the street thug out rolling their people aggressive curs openly. And yes DMX, Big Boi, and a lot of other rappers use these dogs for street credit. Did they create the monster? NO, but they sure as hell ain't helping kill it either. They're exploiting it.

**This post is not aimed at Tommyt or anyone...JMO**

[Verderben]

Personally, I'd like to pop that crack-smokin' headcase with my Louisville Slugger. If he'd stand up and discourage his flock from using these dogs as weapons and fashion accessories I might show him some props. Instead he promotes his "gangstas, guns, and pitbulls" horseshit to millions.
AGREED!!! He does nothing to help the breed. He glorifys "street" fights in his videos and then all the wanna be thugs just gotta do it too. Then we have these "gangsta" wannabes runnin the streets abuseing thier 100lbs monsters to "make em mean" so they can be just like dmx's video. :rolleyes:

[IRISH]

well i agree with rockstar and is that chick on the left really a penthouse model or is she the one who got him started on the rock lol

[catcher T]

well lets put this in a different lite.. I remember someone wanting to know what they should do because they say dogs ,which were in the publics view, that could have very well been neglected (dirty water, mud, ect) and they were told to go talk to person and mind their own business.. So.. how is the same not applied to DMX and his dogs? mind our own business?? Why is it ok for someone to neglect or not give theeri dogs the best of care and the thought was "help them out" yet people cringe because DMX "promotes" whatever he promotes? On one hand by ignoring neglect we are promoting that its ok to keep dogs however we want... dirty water, mud and all (and again, these dogs were in the public's view..no one was snooping or loking over privacy fences..)

same principles..
as I recall that post, the majority of the posts were for the person to talk to the dog owner first about the condition of their dogs. The reason I would suggest that, if you call the authorities firstI would be afraid they might come in take all the dogs a euth. them. If I saw any person or animal being neglected I would never mind my own business and I believe everyone should do the right thing.

[NORTH]

LOL @ Chevy

[Mudville_Monsta]

well here i go again. some of these are qoutes and rebuttles against them and others are just straight out rebuttles against posts. hope you follow.

#1. "He doesn't love them or care about them. To him they're just a penis extention, something to make himself seem "bad ass." He uses them to promote his "gansta" image to boost his "cred" (not to mention his record sales!)."

i really don't think his talent or sales rely on this breed. he has much more knowledge and experiences in ways of life that not all can understand or adapt to. not only that most who at least are just plain street smart would see these convictions as petty, and a embarresment.

#2, like rocksteady said neglect cannot be overlooked. but like i said before i hope he has learned from his mistakes.

while his decision to show this breed in a face off against each other was wrong for the public to view, i have to at least remember and bring up the fact that, your show dogs are only here because of the blood that was shed by game dogs. this comes from another memebers qoute. it is not the same but along those lines.

as far as this goes i to have much respect for rockstar as being that you have knowledge and contribute to this breed and community in a positive way, but yet i still have to argue this .

"Just go ahead and lock jaws and your half I got yours
Send in the dog I smell it all night"

"Ruff Ryders feed all they dogs wit raw blood"

"Have you forgotten what it means when a dog shows his teeth?
Let me break it down for you he's about to attack you"

"It seem they've forgotten how dark it could get
Barks like a pit, scratch when i hit"

"When Niggaz hear that dog bark,
they betta run, when police hear
that dog bark they betta come"

"if you a dog, you better bite before you bark"

"From his camp get the stamp, the grand champ, it's official
Think when you die, how many's gonna miss you"

could these lyrics be what is in rap or hip-hop, a metaphor. they are commonly used and have dual meanings, as i'm sure you know the meaning. just wanted to state that.

now this comment is just a strecth.

"Wrong! Not when it affecs the community as a whole! For example, say I go out & let my dog piss in your only source of clean drinking water. Are you going to come up & say "what one does with his dogs is his own business?" I doubt it! What I did w/ my dog affected you in a negative way.So I doubt you're going to come up to me all chummy & say "what one does with his dogs is his own business."

no matter what the breed, i think if this happened most people would wonder what the F@!k is wrong with the owner and not the dog or breed.

to this post i have to say props bro, you hit it on the nob.

"I am from Atlanta and I am very aware of crime and the idiots that mis-use these dogs and abuse them. It is running rampant here also. However, to say that DMX is the reason, is crazy. The reason that these people are getting bulldogs is because of the negative image that they have, not because DMX likes bulldogs. Sure, he may add a little to the problem. But, the truth is, DMX doesn't hold much weight at all. He is a good artist but in areas like Atlanta, most people aren't really fans. Yet, these people are still abusing the dogs and destroying the breed. It has nothing to do with DMX. It has everything to do with the negative image that the breed has as a whole. This is a result of the media in general. Not the workings of one man."

no matter where you are there is a bunch of know it alls who are going to do what they do and it's not his fault. it happened before him and will continue, unfortunatley after him and us.

"But he DOES present the "thug life gangsta pit bull" thing as cool. This will therfore ...

1: Attract riff-raff to the breed.

2:Will cause some who wouldn't otherwise do so to emulate him.

3: Puts our breed in a bad light w/ JQP."

well sorry to tell you but this breed has been bred for one thing and, no matter what you think, people know this. though his lyrics might cause more attention i think that billy the back yard breeder or bobby the back yard fighter will have more of a bearing on this.

now this i have to argue.

"Our breed has been bred for fighting & has looked tough for over 200 years, but we never had the problems we do now. In fact, the pit bull problems & the gangsta rap movement seem to have cropped up together & have increased in tandem. Coincidence? I doubt it ..."

other than DMX what other rapper has even mentioned gamebred dogs or apbt's. most of the rappers have staffies that they pass as bulldogs. so i see no connection. and if your trying to suggest a plot, i see no reason for these rappers to go against what you all say is promoting their gangster image.

now to this i have to agree with a slight response. but intended in great respect.

"Well, I'll tell ya. You never heard so much as a peep about pitbulls until they fell into the hands of the general public, before that they were in working hands such as dogmen and those using them for hunting. Now they're in the hands of fools, the uninformed and the plain ol' blind to reality types. And most of the real issue comes from ghetto trash and wannabe tough guys (often one and the same) dirtying up the game. Now don't start the perrenial whine fest about the use of the word "ghetto". I'm not using it to describe any minority group but instead as a blanket term for the street thug out rolling their people aggressive curs openly. And yes DMX, Big Boi, and a lot of other rappers use these dogs for street credit. Did they create the monster? NO, but they sure as hell ain't helping kill it either. They're exploiting it."

i totally agreee with you but with the exception that i think DMX and Big BOi are two totally dofferent cases. while one is a plain and simple admirerer of the gamedog the other is no more than a pet bull or puppy peddler. now these words might be harsh coming from a man that doesnt know himpersonally, but i can say he doesn't post lines on his dogs, always has a litter for sale and in my opinion is passing of staffies as bulldogs.

ok hope this made some sense.



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[catcher T]

Good post Mudville Monsta.

[Mudville_Monsta]

thanks, i just want to say that i'm not trying to be an a$$. i just can't help it, i love a good debate.LOL.

[catcher T]

thanks, i just want to say that i'm not trying to be an a$$. i just can't help it, i love a good debate.LOL.
your right on the money with your answer, not an ass this timehttp://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[SEAL]

i agree with mudville they may not have created the problem but they who claim to love the breed do nothing to fix it. sometimes being passive is as bad as participating openly.

[Diesel]

SO now we are blaming a has been rapper like DMX the crackhead for our breeds current predicament? or are we blaming rap music as a whole?
I dont care if a person listens to beethoven and Cichowski, music didnt do with this. Ill give you that they may have sensationalized the breed, but the media does that on a daily basis by paper, radio, and prime time TV. The truth of the matter is our breed makes a perfect scapegoat. based on history and stigma it has the "bad boy" image... and thats what sells.

the wrong people are atracted to this breed, for the wrong reasons, but unfortuantely the breed is just right for thier motives. As much as we hate to say it our dogs are too great for their own good.
they way they are designed and the pleasing attitude, the adaptability.... its all great but in the wrongs they are slowing ensuring thier own extinction. Its hurts me to no end... because these people dont understand that they are costing themselves thier dogs too. Once BSL comes through everyone is going to suffer.

it just sucks.

[rocksteady]

i agree with mudville they may not have created the problem but they who claim to love the breed do nothing to fix it. sometimes being passive is as bad as participating openly.So then..how many record /cd stores, radio stations, clubs have you or anyone else that is concerend with how he protrays bulldogs boycotted that sell or play DMX ???? Or do you just sit passively by complaining while he makes the $$$ ?? (And dont say by not buying /listening..because that is being passive while others buy his stuff..)

And sorry, but if you read all the "dog fighting ring busted" stories, its hardly ever someone famous like DMX ..Its almost always joe blow who's "friends" cant keep their mouths shut or well know doggers who've been narked out by others..they too contribute to the "bad image" of the general public (gives the media a story to make up..)

not trying to be an ass either..but there are those who arent famous that probably do just as good of a job ruining the breed and influencing others..

[SEAL]

"SO now we are blaming a has been rapper like DMX the crackhead for our breeds current predicament? or are we blaming rap music as a whole?
I dont care if a person listens to beethoven and Cichowski, music didnt do with this."

may have not created the problem but it has done nothing positive for it. Lets not get started on rap music and its influence on the general society.

[Diesel]

the same can be said for countless thousands of people... yet they are not being discussed in this thread. your are in effect doing to him what the media does to our breed... using him as a face, a namce a symbol to point your frustration at. Now I am the last to side with DMX i ahve serious issues with him on several subject but that doesnt make him being railroaded like this right.
I remember not too long ago Nike put out a commercial that had a rottie and a large red APBT facing off... and several rappers ahve dropped videos with APBT facing off or lunging at the camera vicisously... not just him.

[SEAL]

RIGHT BUT IF YOU READ THE TITLE OF THIS FORUMS DISCUSSION IT SAYS DMX THUS THE DISCUSSION OF HIM.......... they title these things for a reason it indicates the topic we are talking about.

[catcher T]

Historically speaking, people have always mimiced their idols. Does that make him responsible for condemnation of the breed? No. but, it certainly dosen't help with what he displays publicly.

[Diesel]

I am aware of the topic of this post... which is why its a good thing that i am posting what I have to say about this topic in this thread huh? funny how that works out, aint it?

Dont try to be condescending with me, its little more then irritating. While I know what you are saying- what I am saying that I dont think its right that we put this whole thing on DMX... I am rivaling the post as a whole. I dont think that he is the one to blame, as an indivudual he has done his share of damage to the breed, as a musician he is one of many that has done the same. I dont think singleing him out as the "bad rapper" is just. he did nothing that the next man didnt do. Maybe he was the first one you saw, or the first one to get notoriety for it.. but he wasnt the first. APBTs have had a bad rep before DMX ever dropped a debut single, less known made a video.. its not just him.

do you understand what im getting at?

[Diesel]

Historically speaking, people have always mimiced their idols. Does that make him responsible for condemnation of the breed? No. but, it certainly dosen't help with what he displays publicly.I agree with that, but what about all the other people, businesses, and musicians that cashed in on the bad boy image of the breed? they get to skate because we have DMX to blame? thats how it sounds.

[SEAL]

I do what i can to avoid encouraging or contributing to people i do not endorse or sympathize with. I dont go places that play DMX, I definately dont go to see his movies, And i do not purchase nething he puts out. but thats regardless of this topic lol. There are many average people that harm the breed there are other famous people that do the same but this forum was about DMX not any of the others.

[Diesel]

I still think it needed to be pointed out, someone needed to say that he isnt the only one that did what he did... or does what he does, i really dont know. he pretty much fell off the radar of the world.

[catcher T]

I don't know the lives of many rappers, I only know the ones that live here(Detroit) The few that are here do not set good examples . I could pick on alot of people.

[Saiyagin]

Dam yall going make me loose my mind up in here up in here yall going make me go all out up in here up in here yall going make me act the fool up in here up in here yall going make me loose my cool up in here up in here lol lol........

[catcher T]

Dam yall going make me loose my mind up in here up in here yall going make me go all out up in here up in here yall going make me act the fool up in here up in here yall going make me loose my cool up in here up in here lol lol........
Is that his song? I like that song! don't own it and won't listen to it again, damn

[Mudville_Monsta]

Dam yall going make me loose my mind up in here up in here yall going make me go all out up in here up in here yall going make me act the fool up in here up in here yall going make me loose my cool up in here up in here lol lol........
LOL. that came right on tmie. nice timing.

[tommy3]

I dont think that he is the one to blame, as an indivudual he has done his share of damage to the breed, as a musician he is one of many that has done the same. I dont think singleing him out as the "bad rapper" is just. he did nothing that the next man didnt do. Maybe he was the first one you saw, or the first one to get notoriety for it.. but he wasnt the first. APBTs have had a bad rep before DMX ever dropped a debut single, less known made a video.. its not just him.


That is what I have been saying for the past dozen posts. It is obvious that certain people are stuck in their views, and would rather hold firm to these ideas instead of actually facing the real problem. Sadly, that is the same way of thinking that BSL thrives off of.

[Sid Finster]

I dont care if a person listens to beethoven and Cichowski, music didnt do with this.
Beethoven and Tchaikovsky didn't rely on an image, much less a thug image, to promote their music. Nowadays, and not just just in rap, but popular music in general, the music is a soundtrack to the image - the image is what sells the music.

But you're right, DMX is not the real problem here, he is a symptom. If only it were so simple as to just ban DMX and everything would return to normal. :(

[rocksteady]

I don't know the lives of many rappers, I only know the ones that live here(Detroit) The few that are here do not set good examples . I could pick on alot of people.
lmao Eminem and Kid Rock dont count ....

[Rockstar]

Kid Rock is a PETA supporter:eek:

http://www.petaparty.com/galastills/pamkidrock.jpg
PETA Media Relations Director Dave Mathews, The Kid, Pammie, and the devil herself -Ingrid Newkirk.

[catcher T]

Kid Rock is only a supporter because he does Pamela, she is real big in this (no pun) They all suck

[Rockstar]

Kid Rock is only a supporter because he does Pamela, she is real big in this (no pun) They all suck
Lol, I can't argue there.:D It wasn't too long ago when PETA was bashing Rock for wearing fur. Now he's giving them money.
The things a man will do for a piece of ass....:/

[catcher T]

Lol, I can't argue there.:D It wasn't too long ago when PETA was bashing Rock for wearing fur. Now he's giving them money.
The things a man will do for a piece of ass....:/
And there ya have it!

[Diesel]

Beethoven and Tchaikovsky didn't rely on an image, much less a thug image, to promote their music. Nowadays, and not just just in rap, but popular music in general, the music is a soundtrack to the image - the image is what sells the music.

But you're right, DMX is not the real problem here, he is a symptom. If only it were so simple as to just ban DMX and everything would return to normal. :(
but there are people that are bad for this breed that dont even listen to rap music, less known sing and write it. there are people that dont live in the ghetto, and are not thugs that are bad for this breed.
there are people who listen to country music, or heavy metal, or polka, or anyother type of music that cause just as much drama and bad press for this breed out there.
Now, I wont disagree that there are certain people that have made videos that show the breed in a bad light. But there are videos and movies that have shown other breeds in an equally bad light. The problem is so much bigger then a rap video. its coming from all sides: the News reports, news papers, radio, public misconception, music, movies, commercials, magazines, "breed experts", and so on. you can remove any one but there are enough of the others that it wont even matter.
If you want to point a finger at a group that matters- BACK YARD BREEDERS. Every facet of them is a contributing factor to the breeds current predicament. They are filling the shleters and the streets with subquality dogs. breeding all willy-nilly with no care for temperment or production value. they put dogs in the hands of people who dont care and dont train. they enable the dog attacks by breeding poor temperment and poor placement.

forget DMX, Jay Z, or any other video making rapper. I have seen movies that show dogs of other breeds (saints, GSDs, Mals) killing people and attacking children and those breeds are not having the issues that ours is. You think a 10 second flash of a dog barking, or flashing some teeth in a urban video is a major contributor? Yea, right.
Ignorance, lack of education, lack of training, and an indifference to the breeds future are you main problems. Lets make a post about that.

[Rockstar]

Lmao. If these dogs weren't so goddamned popular with the wrong kind of people, then business might not be so good for backyard breeders.
Of course all the blame should not be placed solely on DMX, PETA, the general media, byb's, ignorant politicians, bad owners, etc, etc, etc, but they all deserve to share a little. One is just as detrimental as the other. I don't have any more disdain for DMX than I do for the kid down the street who rolls puppies in the center of a tractor tire. I hate 'em all equally.

[tommy3]

Lmao. If these dogs weren't so goddamned popular with the wrong kind of people, then business might not be so good for backyard breeders.
Of course all the blame should not be placed solely on DMX, PETA, the general media, byb's, ignorant politicians, bad owners, etc, etc, etc, but they all deserve to share a little. One is just as detrimental as the other. I don't have any more disdain for DMX than I do for the kid down the street who rolls puppies in the center of a tractor tire. I hate 'em all equally.
Thanks for saying that. That is also how I feel. In my opinion, everyone should really look at the big picture and stop blaming the situation on a certain group of people or agency. Everything plays a part in some way. Some things may have a bigger effect in certain aspects and other things add to the problem in their own way. I truly doubt that DMX is the cause of all the BYB and so-called thugs that are ruining the breed. If you think about it, people with bad intentions are going to be drawn to this breed. DMX or no DMX, it would have happened anyways. If there was no DMX, there would have been someone else doing the same thing sooner or later.

[Judy]

Thanks for saying that. That is also how I feel. In my opinion, everyone should really look at the big picture and stop blaming the situation on a certain group of people or agency. Everything plays a part in some way. Some things may have a bigger effect in certain aspects and other things add to the problem in their own way. I truly doubt that DMX is the cause of all the BYB and so-called thugs that are ruining the breed. If you think about it, people with bad intentions are going to be drawn to this breed. DMX or no DMX, it would have happened anyways. If there was no DMX, there would have been someone else doing the same thing sooner or later.
I agree...

[Suki]

Thanks for saying that. That is also how I feel. In my opinion, everyone should really look at the big picture and stop blaming the situation on a certain group of people or agency. Everything plays a part in some way. Some things may have a bigger effect in certain aspects and other things add to the problem in their own way. I truly doubt that DMX is the cause of all the BYB and so-called thugs that are ruining the breed. If you think about it, people with bad intentions are going to be drawn to this breed. DMX or no DMX, it would have happened anyways. If there was no DMX, there would have been someone else doing the same thing sooner or later.
I agree, as well. Nice reply!
There are MANY people who have helped to create a negative image, therefore, it is going to take MANY people to help unravel it as well...

[Sid Finster]

but there are people that are bad for this breed that dont even listen to rap music, less known sing and write it. there are people that dont live in the ghetto, and are not thugs that are bad for this breed.
there are people who listen to country music, or heavy metal, or polka, or anyother type of music that cause just as much drama and bad press for this breed out there.
If you read what I said, I stated that DMX (and by extension, rap music) is a symptom, not the problem.

[Diesel]

If you read what I said, I stated that DMX (and by extension, rap music) is a symptom, not the problem.
People who are bad for the breed listen to rap music... OR is it that people that listen to rap music are bad for the breed? either way I disagree.
music means nothing... I bet there are quite a few fans of DMX that dont have pit bulls, and are not bad for the breed and i bet there are people that are bad for the breed that dont listen to DMX or any kind of rap...you think?

[Rockstar]

Absolutely. I don't really see anyone saying otherwise.

[SEAL]

We are simply stating music has its effect on people and DMX and other artist do not have the best influence on people. not that its just rap music or just this or that.

[Jennifer&Will]

I Like Dmx & I Know Im Not Bad For The Breed! I Volunteer At Animal Shelters, Open My Home To Fosters, And Try To Educate Anyone Who Will Listen. Its Really Become A Passion Of Mine Working With Apbt's!! Its Just A Few Bad Folks That Ruin It For Everyone!

[tommy3]

I Like Dmx & I Know Im Not Bad For The Breed! I Volunteer At Animal Shelters, Open My Home To Fosters, And Try To Educate Anyone Who Will Listen. Its Really Become A Passion Of Mine Working With Apbt's!! Its Just A Few Bad Folks That Ruin It For Everyone!
Same here, I like his music. As I stated before, I know most of all of his lyrics to his songs. But, have I ever bought a dog for image, bought a big mutt, abused a dog, or fought any of my dogs? Nope. People make their own choices. Music doesn't make the decisions.
However, this doesn't mean that DMX's videos with aggressive dogs hasn't inspired dumbasses to buy dogs and street-fight them and honestly it never really crossed my mind before this thread was started. I love this breed and anything that damages it pisses me off. I have lost the little respect that I have for the man (how much respect is due to a crackhead anyways? LOL). But, I still like the music. I can't deny that. However, he will not get another dollar from me.

[catcher T]

Same here, I like his music. As I stated before, I know most of all of his lyrics to his songs. But, have I ever bought a dog for image, bought a big mutt, abused a dog, or fought any of my dogs? Nope. People make their own choices. Music doesn't make the decisions.
However, this doesn't mean that DMX's videos with aggressive dogs hasn't inspired dumbasses to buy dogs and street-fight them and honestly it never really crossed my mind before this thread was started. I love this breed and anything that damages it pisses me off. I have lost the little respect that I have for the man (how much respect is due to a crackhead anyways? LOL). But, I still like the music. I can't deny that. However, he will not get another dollar from me.
my sentiments exactly!

[Sid Finster]

People who are bad for the breed listen to rap music... OR is it that people that listen to rap music are bad for the breed? either way I disagree.
music means nothing... I bet there are quite a few fans of DMX that dont have pit bulls, and are not bad for the breed and i bet there are people that are bad for the breed that dont listen to DMX or any kind of rap...you think?
That is basically what I was saying.

If it were only so easy as rap = BYB or country music = dogfighter.

Although I've never heard of anyone who is into Polka fighting dogs. Maybe in Poland, or maybe I don't get out enough.

I'll test out H.I.F. Biber's "Sonata for My Guardian Angel" when I get the chance on Redhead and then maybe some Reggae and see what happens.

[rocksteady]

you leave reggae outta this.... ;)

[luv_a_bull_girl]

We are simply stating music has its effect on people and DMX and other artist do not have the best influence on people. not that its just rap music or just this or that.yeah music has an affect on ignorant people maybe... i for one know that music half the time is all about entertainment and to never take every part of it seriously... this is just like blaming marilyn mansons music for the columbine tragedy... its all very stupid... i was smart enough to realize it back in 8th grade when i wrote a state level essay on the topic and im more then logical now in college... im about to give my 3rd presentation in the past 3 years on this breed and BSL (did it once in speech class, once for my graduating exhibition and now as a classical argument for freshman comp) and I like DMX too....

[SEAL]

my one suggestion is next year take some marketing or psych classes about brand recognition and branding in the United states. thats the nicest way i know how to reply to that.

[luv_a_bull_girl]

my one suggestion is next year take some marketing or psych classes about brand recognition and branding in the United states. thats the nicest way i know how to reply to that.no need to take either one of those classes... would just be a waste of time... majoring in biology

[jasong]

he is the best example of the type of person that cause these dogs to get guilt by association. Regardless of how nice he is to his dogs due to his public persona and proven infadelities he is not the role model i want my dogs equated to. The game as you refer to it in DMX's lyrics is nothing more than the street thug rip off of highclass blood sports. Just like the lil gangsters who try to act out this diluted version of what the mofia used to be.
You say you don't want our dogs to be associated with him or his type but yet you fail to realy give examples why. In my opinion what better way to get our breed out to the public than by haveing a famous, publicly known person like him representing them. He took the dogs out into a public place for all the media to see and judge. And what happen, nothing. There was no fighting or attacking of innocent people, no growling or biting, in fact the media said they were very well ehaved. How does this sort of thing hurt our breed? Do you have access to the media like him to show everyone how this breed really is. This guy is totally putting down the idea that our dogs are mindless killers by bringing them out into the public around the media, off the chain and acting great. Am I the only one that sees this as a good thing.

[Sid Finster]

you leave reggae outta this.... ;)
Why? Maybe Redhead will like it?

[bronxpits]

i live in the bronx dmx leaves like 25 mins away for a man who doesnt do nothing ive seen 25 of his dogs getting washed and cleaned and for dogs with no gameness (no comment)

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Heck, I think he was supporting as long as Pammie was putting out.....that dog! Can you blame him? Pammie has a nice smile.

Kid Rock is a PETA supporter:eek:

http://www.petaparty.com/galastills/pamkidrock.jpg
PETA Media Relations Director Dave Mathews, The Kid, Pammie, and the devil herself -Ingrid Newkirk.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Were those dogs his or dogs from his crew? As I stated before, I live closer and have met a girl that stated being his niece. She told me what line he carries (Rocky Balboa). I have never heard of this line so I researched. I only found one Rocky Balboa and it was a show bred dog. I was a bit surprised.

If you know of his dogs, please tell us what line(s) he carries.
i live in the bronx dmx leaves like 25 mins away for a man who doesnt do nothing ive seen 25 of his dogs getting washed and cleaned and for dogs with no gameness (no comment)

[runt]

Man people are just crazy,rap or any other music has nothing to do with these dogs or anyother dogs its all about raising kids not to grow up and become lunatics when I was coming up we didn't even have cable there wasn't rap and people still was fighting dogs(rotties,german sheppards, dobbies) shit almost any thing they got their hands on and when they wasn't fooling with dogs they were fooling with people, it is easy to point the finger but look in the mirror.I hear alot of old doggers talk but alot of them put the dogs in the hands of irresponsable people now the shit has hit the fan.shit people know what these dogs were bred to do its up to the people raising them to make sure they no who they are giving dogs too and that they are responsable but money rules.Let me shut up

[tommy3]

Were those dogs his or dogs from his crew? As I stated before, I live closer and have met a girl that stated being his niece. She told me what line he carries (Rocky Balboa). I have never heard of this line so I researched. I only found one Rocky Balboa and it was a show bred dog. I was a bit surprised.

If you know of his dogs, please tell us what line(s) he carries.
Did you actually believe this girl? Just because she says it is so, doesn't mean that it is true. If that was the case, I have met around a dozen relatives to Outkast. I really doubt that I have met 5 or 6 people that are related to Andre 3000 and a few more that are related to Big Boi. People like to talk out of their ass to make themselves look cool. Take that DR king girl for example. Words are worth no more than the spit that comes out their mouth. Especially if you don't know them.

[bronxpits]

Did you actually believe this girl? Just because she says it is so, doesn't mean that it is true. If that was the case, I have met around a dozen relatives to Outkast. I really doubt that I have met 5 or 6 people that are related to Andre 3000 and a few more that are related to Big Boi. People like to talk out of their ass to make themselves look cool. Take that DR king girl for example. Words are worth no more than the spit that comes out their mouth. Especially if you don't know them.

thank you tommy by the way did i mention im big bois half brother lol

[Sid Finster]

As it is, Redhead found the "Guardian Angel" sonata interesting, but eventually lost interest. I am not sure what that means, other than that he has a puppy's attention span, which was already apparent.

I'll try some Mutabaruka later.

[Bakercloud]

What other public figures has apbts? Snoop? Pauly Shore? Mel Gibson? I heard some stuff about snoops line, mainly dollar signs though. such as when he rented lil bow wow a litter for a music video.

[Diesel]

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,4552,00.html
Snoop may not be the best representative either.

[The Watcher]

neither is Jesse James west Coast Choppers. I saw his 100# ish bulls on Discovery Ch. special fighting. One ripped the others leg off and killed the other.

[luv_a_bull_girl]

What other public figures has apbts? Snoop? Pauly Shore? Mel Gibson? I heard some stuff about snoops line, mainly dollar signs though. such as when he rented lil bow wow a litter for a music video.
there was a forum posted already that had a list of celebrity pit bull owners... it may take a while tofind but its there... try doing a search for like jesse james or brad pitt since he was mentioned also

[luv_a_bull_girl]

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9800&highlight=jesse+james

here it is
i also add to the list hilary and haylie duff.... they have a pit bull also

[SEAL]

yeah well jesse leaves em loose in his shop or he did. i saw that episode where two males got into it overnight and one died. lets think this through leave multiple pits both sexes alone in a shop at night
yeah no ones gonna fight lmao.
snoop a man who still claims the crips is not exactly a role model except to pot heads and thugs everywhere lol. hes good at what he does and thats entertain why else would he have that funny looken pimp guy with him all the time.

[Diesel]

You mean Arch Bishop Don "Magic" Juan? LOL...
"I wear green for the money and gold for the honey"
http://www.thebishop.us/Images/ImageAskTheBishop.jpg

[SEAL]

yyyyyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh that guy

[rocksteady]

Hmm.. Micheal J Fox isnt a great repersentative of the breed either... When him and his wife had their first child, she made him get rid of his APBT because it made her nervous with the new baby ..So much for breed loyality, huh

[Rocky H. Balboa]

You cannot blame the poor guy for loving a human being more than their dog.....specially when that human being is carrying your child.

Now, if she did not have my child, I would be showing her the door!:cool:

Hmm.. Micheal J Fox isnt a great repersentative of the breed either... When him and his wife had their first child, she made him get rid of his APBT because it made her nervous with the new baby ..So much for breed loyality, huh

[The Watcher]

so why dont u tell Snoop ur feelings instead of whinning bout it to us?snoop a man who still claims the crips is not exactly a role model except to pot heads and thugs everywhere lol. hes good at what he does and thats entertain why else would he have that funny looken pimp guy with him all the time.srry but regarless of what you are saying, officials have not found reason to remove any dog from these ppl? Sounds like ur issue is deeper. Are you a playa hatta?????????? :D
You mean Arch Bishop Don "Magic" Juan? LOL...

[rocksteady]

You cannot blame the poor guy for loving a human being more than their dog.....specially when that human being is carrying your child.

Now, if she did not have my child, I would be showing her the door!:cool:
you are missing the point.. It was because the dog was a PIT BULL .... and human or not, someone who knows and respects the breed understands they do quite well with children. I bet if the dog was a golden retriever she would have let him keep it.. but the article i read said it was because it was a pit bull adn she was afraid it would hurt the child...

[luv_a_bull_girl]

you are missing the point.. It was because the dog was a PIT BULL .... and human or not, someone who knows and respects the breed understands they do quite well with children. I bet if the dog was a golden retriever she would have let him keep it.. but the article i read said it was because it was a pit bull adn she was afraid it would hurt the child...well that just proves how ignorant his wife is... but come on now, i could make my ex jump through hoops if i wanted to... u kno women have power over men ESPECIALLY when they say "its either that dog or me and the baby"... which do u think he would choose...

[Rockstar]

As bad as I hate to admit it, I wouldn't trust any dog around an infant child. Doesn't matter if it's a chihuahua or a St. Bernard...dogs will be dogs, and accidents are known to happen.

[The Watcher]

i could make my ex jump through hoops if i wanted to... u kno women have power over men ESPECIALLY when they say "its either that dog or me and the baby"... which do u think he would choose...
then Y is he ur X?????????? ;)

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I guess subconsciously I skipped the "pit bull" part and thought "dog". I know too many ladies that would have said the same thing regardless of the breed.

you are missing the point.. It was because the dog was a PIT BULL .... and human or not, someone who knows and respects the breed understands they do quite well with children. I bet if the dog was a golden retriever she would have let him keep it.. but the article i read said it was because it was a pit bull adn she was afraid it would hurt the child...

[Diesel]

If you cant keep your dog in proper conditions (clean and sanitary), adequately exercised and trained, then you shouldnt have them. That goes for any breed of dog.
If the stuff they said about snoop is true, we know how the media can be with "FACTS" when reporting stories... but if it is true, then he needs to cut down his dogs, or put some of that money into a proper facility for them. period.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

What you said sucka? Don't make me come out of the screen and pull you by the ear young man! A trained dog is a predictable dog.

As bad as I hate to admit it, I wouldn't trust any dog around an infant child. Doesn't matter if it's a chihuahua or a St. Bernard...dogs will be dogs, and accidents are known to happen.

[Diesel]

I trust my dogs, but I dont extend the same to others. I know my dogs limits, I work with them everyday and I know thier temperments. Its about knowing your dog and knowing thier limits. People see these news reports and think that dos are un trustworthy with children, and its simple not true.
If you take the time to introduce your dog to children as a puppy and teach them that babies are fragile and cant be chased and mouthed and what not its not even an issue.

But you cant take an adult dog tha thas never laid eyes on a child and think it will just know how to behave. People have got to use common sense on this, children are in all forms lower to the dog. they are short, so the dog can look them eye to eye... this in itself can inspire a dog to challenge a child for dominance. They are usually moving areounf and making high pitched noises, this can really get a dogs instincts going... If you take the time to teach your dog from puppyhood about children and that they are above them in the pack order then you will have no issues at home.
DOnt get rid of your dogs because you have a child. when raised with them this breed is reknowned for its affection and affinity for children.
Its just you cant expect it to just be there, like any other trait it has to be nurtured and praised, with a good dose of training.

My boy will be playing tug with me full out growling, jumping , shaking and the whole 9 yards, trying to rip my arm out of the socket.. but my daughter can have the tug and he will pull so gently... he knows that she cant play that rough. and she can tell him to "out" and he immediately will release item to her. He knows that in the pack she is above him and he is not allowed to challenge her in any way... he has never tried.
I swear at times I wonder whos dog he is, i am the one feeding him but she is getting most of the affection, lol.

[Diesel]

What you said sucka? Don't make me come out of the screen and pull you by the ear young man! A trained dog is a predictable dog.And thats the quintessential truth... RUTH!

[luv_a_bull_girl]

then Y is he ur X?????????? ;)if i wanted a trained animal to jump through hoops i woulda joined the circus... control has to be balanced and i had the bulk of it... not a stable situation

[The Watcher]

least you have leared somethin.........;)if i wanted a trained animal to jump through hoops i woulda joined the circus... control has to be balanced and i had the bulk of it... not a stable situation

[Bakercloud]

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9800&highlight=jesse+james

here it is
i also add to the list hilary and haylie duff.... they have a pit bull also
None of the pics are up anymore, can some one repost them?

[Marty]

None of the pics are up anymore, can some one repost them?The site they are hosted on may be down ;)

[PiTBuLL200416]

what ever happened to DMX last thing I heard about him was the fact that he keeps all his dogs in his big ass basement.

[japangame]

Just to let you know. The dog from his cover of GRAND CHAMP does not belong to him. He pulled that pic out of a book. He does have some good blood in his yard, but know that he is not a salesman. Dont count on getting a dog from him at all. I had conversations with Big Boy and a couple of people awhile ago and they dont like dealing out or in dogs. Hope you find what your looking for.I'm a native New Yorker and I have friends back home that know DMX personally and yes he does have game bred dogs. He mainly runs Redboy and some Alligator. I was told that he has some champs and that the dog on the cover of his album is a grand champ. ;)

[miakoda]

http://www.pitbulltalk.com/images/smiles/jerry.gif (javascript:emoticon(':jerry:'))

[japangame]

man, i was abit late on this thread,,,,,looks like i gotta go back and read.

[Titch_Pitbull]

man, i was abit late on this thread,,,,,looks like i gotta go back and read.


Ive been searching for this thread for a while dmx does love game bred pits not like big boi ect (even though myself i like the bully type aswell) in most of his song refrences theres refrences to game dogs

Hey dog, I'ma walk like a beast, talk like the streets
I'ma stay blazin New York wit the heat
Stalk on the beat, walk wit my feet
Understand my pain, the rain ain't sleet
Peep how I'm moving, peep where I'm going
sh!t don't seep, then sleep not knowin
But I'ma keep growing, getting larger than life
Easy-going with the same one that started the fight
He be knowing how dog get, when dog gon bite
Tried to show him the dog sh!t, it's dog for life
Grand champ, and my Blood Line is tight
Not Old Yeller, a pitbull and dog is the champ
You know better, think about crossin the line

[PiTBuLL200416]

What Does Big Boi Have In His Yard And What About Snoop Dog Or Are These Just Regular People That Don't Know A Thing About Being A True Apbt Breeder.

[Titch_Pitbull]

They have razors edge gotti them sort of lines

look - www.pitfallkennels.com

the best one is Dragonfly Jones

[CrazyK9]

They have razors edge gotti them sort of lines

look - www.pitfallkennels.com (http://www.pitfallkennels.com/)

the best one is Dragonfly Jones
:eek: *pukes*

[japangame]

Big Boi carries alot of Razors Edge in his yard along with the Gottie line. As for snoop. He has alot of differnt combinations. DMX carries one type. GAME. He knows alot about the APBT game and has been influenced in a big way by dogs.. He has been known to love his dogs more than his wife. And I dont see a problem with that. Dogs will always be there for you and your wifes temperments are up and down.LOL.

[cuban]

Let me tell you putting our breed into music or a cover of a cd or penthouse mag is NO GOOD. DMX is a creation for making money. Drugs shows how focus he is into his dogs. PEOPLE WILL NEVER STOP HURTING THIS BREED BECAUSE THEY DO IT WRONG AND FOR THE WRONG REASONS, CAN'T CLOSE THEIR HOLE. SOME WILL NEVER LOVE THE DOG. EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SOMEBODY PLEASE DON'T USE THE DOG TO BE THAT SOMEBODY. FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE PAST YOUR WASTING TIME. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TRUST WHO WE GET OUR DOGS TODAY. DMX=MONEY, EARL NEED THE LORD. LOOK AT HIM, FEED HIM, BE PATIENCE WITH HIM, FOR THE TIME WILL. DOGMAN ARE DOGMAN. TRIX UR FOR KIDS, YOU DIG. 44anyone. LOL

[Big Game]

Ok ok I know I am wayyyy late on this one but after reading some of the responses on this thread I HAD to say something.DMX is a loose canon a very gifted one. an idiot maybe? but a verry gifted one. He puts who he is into his music . he dosent water it down. He speeks of the thug lifestyle because he lived it. he does not promote it. Part of who this man is are these dogs. He is a artist not a role model for the breed.Hell he ant no role model period, and does not clam to be. If you were to put yore heart and soul on a record would you be half as honest? Only a vary lost soul would WORSHIP a entertainer. Because of his fame the man is a target. What the hell is a ''THUG TYPE'' who uses the breed as an extention of his ego. To some on this board I get the feeling it is a black man in a urbin setting with a pitbull. I think some people on this board belive if you have youre hat turned backwards & are wearing baggy pants you are a thug type that dosent deserve to own the breed. The man made it out!! He is an insporation to me for that alone. music is a art. Hip hop is a art. If you dont understand DMX'S art dont speek on it. Some of the people on this board sure do have alot of knowlige on these dog's. It is vary clear reading this thread some of the same people dont know a damn thing about hip hop. Rockstar you would hit him over the head with a louisvile slugar??? sounds like promoting of a thug mantality to me. With statements like that Youre no better than the man you are bashing.

[Doggystyle]

I couldn't have possibly said it better myself BIG GAME. Many people here are always advising without fishing around, then they start to assume. For all the people who are educated on the breed SHUTUP, LISTEN, and look at things from all angles. For some reason I think someone will have a smart a$$ reply to this post anyway.
DMX is a loose canon a very gifted one. an idiot maybe? but a verry gifted one. He puts who he is into his music . he dosent water it down. He speeks of the thug lifestyle because he lived it. he does not promote it. Part of who this man is are these dogs. He is a artist not a role model for the breed.Hell he ant no role model period, and does not clam to be. If you were to put yore heart and soul on a record would you be half as honest? Only a vary lost soul would WORSHIP a entertainer. Because of his fame the man is a target. What the hell is a ''THUG TYPE'' who uses the breed as an extention of his ego. To some on this board I get the feeling it is a black man in a urbin setting with a pitbull. I think some people on this board belive if you have youre hat turned backwards & are wearing baggy pants you are a thug type that dosent deserve to own the breed. The man made it out!! He is an insporation to me for that alone. music is a art. Hip hop is a art. If you dont understand DMX'S art dont speek on it. Some of the people on this board sure do have alot of knowlige on these dog's. It is vary clear reading this thread some of the same people dont know a damn thing about hip hop. Rockstar you would hit him over the head with a louisvile slugar??? sounds like promoting of a thug mantality to me. With statements like that Youre no better than the man you are bashing.

[420puffer]

But thats the thing with many users on this forum. They have a tendency to judge and make assumptions without even knowing and understanding one. They are negative because the future of this breed is in jeopardy.

[wisconsindog]

I couldn't have possibly said it better myself BIG GAME. Many people here are always advising without fishing around, then they start to assume. For all the people who are educated on the breed SHUTUP, LISTEN, and look at things from all angles. For some reason I think someone will have a smart a$$ reply to this post anyway.
man u coulnt said it better there are many angales dont rely on on one