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[willypete]

seen game-dog.com mention on this dogsbite.org this whole site is full of bull shit

[Marty]

Got a link?

[coolhandjean]

here is the link, http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/


""All American Dog Registry is a registry created by dog fighters for dog fighters," authorities say." --I have been to a few AADR weight-pulls and shows. All the people I spoke to were there to show their dogs and have their dogs pull, not to fight their dogs.

[chinasmom]

That's a site I'll be sure to bookmark.:rolleyes: So much negativity. Why can't their be a site that focuses on the positive, all the good things the breed does so we can counter-attack.

[coolhandjean]

That's a site I'll be sure to bookmark.:rolleyes: So much negativity. Why can't their be a site that focuses on the positive, all the good things the breed does so we can counter-attack.I guess the same reason the News pays more attention to the negative instead of the positive. Negitivity sells...

I left a comment on that one post, but I don't see it. Does it show 3 or 4 comments to you?

[Marty]

This ones new...

I'm no dumass said...
Talk about a gold mine! This bust is monumental -- monumental! It's going to put a sizable crater in the dogman's armor. I'm sure the lobbyists and politicians already have lawyers, and are doing whatever they can to cover their tracks.

[Bullyson]

What a bunch of toolbags. "Dogs bite, thats what they do." Good Lord. :rolleyes: here is the link, http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/


""All American Dog Registry is a registry created by dog fighters for dog fighters," authorities say." --I have been to a few AADR weight-pulls and shows. All the people I spoke to were there to show their dogs and have their dogs pull, not to fight their dogs.

[simms]

That's a site I'll be sure to bookmark.:rolleyes: So much negativity. Why can't their be a site that focuses on the positive, all the good things the breed does so we can counter-attack.
That's why we're here. LOL

[chinasmom]

That's why we're here. LOL

I don't mean just this site. We need a new site that tells story's of wonder dogs, dogs who help, dogs that have been abused and go on to lead productive lifes. Dogs who entertain, pull,jump,agility. All the very positive. Have a catchy name, something that can get publicity that's possitive.

[Bullyson]

I think you're on to something. That really sounds like a good idea. Where do we start?I don't mean just this site. We need a new site that tells story's of wonder dogs, dogs who help, dogs that have been abused and go on to lead productive lifes. Dogs who entertain, pull,jump,agility. All the very positive. Have a catchy name, something that can get publicity that's possitive.

[chinasmom]

I think you're on to something. That really sounds like a good idea. Where do we start?
I'm not sure, but I personally have seen and read plenty of articles and watched video on the positive side of this breed. I would be willing to work out details with anyone that would like to take a shot at it. We can't just keep sitting back watching ppl like this site keep hating something they know nothing about.

[Marty]

Could this be a start?

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87

[chinasmom]

Absolutely Marty. And everyone who is a member could add news aticles from their own hometowns and experiances with the breed. No hype, everything in print and made public. We could get a site up and running pretty quick I think.

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/

This site's not that great, no forums, just news. We could do the same on freewebs or something.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I and a few others are in the middle of doing just that Chinasmom! I would appreciate if you can go to the thread i posted today and add what you have seen (links, etc).

Many doing a few things can do a lot more than a few doing a lot.

[coolhandjean]

I noticed that my comment on their blog never made it to the light of day. I was very nice in the message, but I guess the truth and something positive about APBT isn't allowed on their site.

[CooljoeGoodie]

What troubles me the most is their mindset or state of mind,....what I got from just browsing the site,are people that don't really know much about dogs period.But most of all the hate for my breed,if they are truly animal lovers or what ever,than why would you want to cause harm or anything to another breed or person.Lost people,man...fighting the wrong fight,but can't see it.

[skpits]

http://www.stop-bsl.com/

hey everyone this is a site that just came out within the last week. Seems to be full of information. I know she was looking for pictures of apbt doin wp, with kids and any other positive information that could be obtained..

http://www.stop-bsl.com/contact

you can find where to send this information on this page ..

Everyone needs to ban together to get rid of bsl

[chinasmom]

I and a few others are in the middle of doing just that Chinasmom! I would appreciate if you can go to the thread i posted today and add what you have seen (links, etc).

Many doing a few things can do a lot more than a few doing a lot.Sorry Rocky, but didn't see the post for today.
I found it. what about some of these articles that Marty sent.

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[misterdogman]

Marty, if you dont recall, years ago there was some ignorant people and sites around here and I was the first one to jump the gun and go to "educate" and do damage to these types... and I got labeled as an asshole and got banned from several sites until they realized how dumb it was to ban someone who ACTUALLY knew something.... since everyone here showed up there.... .to defend each other...remember how hard it was to get shit thru their skull and THEY WERE ALL PIT BULL OWNERS....so now lets get it straight....now were talkin about non pit owners who dont know much about dogs period???
I drank too much tonight I aint got the energy for that kind of task if its hard enuf to educate a simply dumb person hows it gonna be educating this type....
I already got a JOB....., because it sounds like something that would require a regimen... and vitamin uptake...maybe even a keep or prep period and I aint that serious about it,.... I would at this point rather disappear and invest my energy into going underground and making them think we died off.... rather than educating the bastards... because it would probaly take less work to go underground than make THEM UNDERSTAND...so fuck the website education IDEAS and point proving process.... because the media and assholes wont be educated.... or ever understand because they are effin retarded and ignorant. I cant express enough the hate for the type.... so why try educating,????so just pretend to go away and take the last good representatives and blood with us so they cant kill it or control it into extinction....this is the only option since education will not work if they dont want to learn,..... WE CANT BEAT IT INTO THEM.

[SPF]

I would at this point rather disappear and invest my energy into going underground and making them think we died off.... rather than educating the bastards... because it would probaly take less work to go underground than make THEM UNDERSTAND...so fuck the website education IDEAS and point proving process.... because the media and assholes wont be educated.... or ever understand because they are effin retarded and ignorant. I cant express enough the hate for the type.... so why try educating,????so just pretend to go away and take the last good representatives and blood with us so they cant kill it or control it into extinction....this is the only option since education will not work if they dont want to learn,..... WE CANT BEAT IT INTO THEM.
I agree with this statment..

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I left a comment on there as well!!!!!

[misterdogman]

I agree with this statment..It is the last and only option, its sad but true ....and the truth usually hurts.... but time to close up shop folks,... say good night,... close the curtain. Public and Internet Education is the path to our destruction because by putting ourselves in the media and public we are vulnerable.... and they know EVERYTHING from and about us that way... but they learn nothing from us that way at the same time..... because they have already CHOSE not too not believe or learn.... no matter how much investment is put in, it will get us and our breed NOWHERE...., so time to leave no scraps behind and leave no forwarding address, time to just wither away and pass like the wind and fading memories ....that is if we EVER want any hope to preserve out gamebred APBT at all. Time to close the circles and make sure you turn off the lights people, our time is almost up because the APBT haters are now... by far... WAY to organized and powerful .....and its not a dogmans or fanciers job to take on a political and Government led campaign against a dog breed.....its our job to protect the dogs from the ignorant not to educate the ignorant. The energy to do this would be wasted if used on ANYTHING else rather than securing yards and land for our dogs..... by educating fools we set ourselves up for failure because in the end we will have to go underground anyway because after we feel like we are done educating or while we are educating the IGNORANT.... the LAWS and BANS will continue to go on.... until we find ourselves going underground anyway because our dogs have been outlawed....so cut out the middle man and cut off the public/media now while we can, they can go find another breed to accost and try to destroy,.... as far as I am concerned the gamebred APBT is extinct and gone from this point on.... and has officially disappeared....because if we dont take on this mindset and portayal of how our lives really are and really do it like I say...then our dogs really will disappear and there will be nothing we can do about it...

Time For The Curtain Call,
Mr.

[circe]

Yea, sadly I don't think you can fix stupid..

[simms]

Marty, if you dont recall, years ago there was some ignorant people and sites around here and I was the first one to jump the gun and go to "educate" and do damage to these types... and I got labeled as an asshole and got banned from several sites until they realized how dumb it was to ban someone who ACTUALLY knew something.... since everyone here showed up there.... .to defend each other...remember how hard it was to get shit thru their skull and THEY WERE ALL PIT BULL OWNERS....so now lets get it straight....now were talkin about non pit owners who dont know much about dogs period???
I drank too much tonight I aint got the energy for that kind of task if its hard enuf to educate a simply dumb person hows it gonna be educating this type....
I already got a JOB....., because it sounds like something that would require a regimen... and vitamin uptake...maybe even a keep or prep period and I aint that serious about it,.... I would at this point rather disappear and invest my energy into going underground and making them think we died off.... rather than educating the bastards... because it would probaly take less work to go underground than make THEM UNDERSTAND...so fuck the website education IDEAS and point proving process.... because the media and assholes wont be educated.... or ever understand because they are effin retarded and ignorant. I cant express enough the hate for the type.... so why try educating,????so just pretend to go away and take the last good representatives and blood with us so they cant kill it or control it into extinction....this is the only option since education will not work if they dont want to learn,..... WE CANT BEAT IT INTO THEM.
I have to say that the APBT owners that are on the fence or in bed with that mindset have not helped the breed. Honestly they have only helped these folks strip away at the right/how to own this breed. Compromise leads to defeat! I hope they get thier dogs first!

I agree with your stand.

[Rockstar]

It is the last and only option, its sad but true ....and the truth usually hurts.... but time to close up shop folks,... say good night,... close the curtain. Public and Internet Education is the path to our destruction because by putting ourselves in the media and public we are vulnerable.... and they know EVERYTHING from and about us that way... but they learn nothing from us that way at the same time..... because they have already CHOSE not too not believe or learn.... no matter how much investment is put in, it will get us and our breed NOWHERE...., so time to leave no scraps behind and leave no forwarding address, time to just wither away and pass like the wind and fading memories ....that is if we EVER want any hope to preserve out gamebred APBT at all. Time to close the circles and make sure you turn off the lights people, our time is almost up because the APBT haters are now... by far... WAY to organized and powerful .....and its not a dogmans or fanciers job to take on a political and Government led campaign against a dog breed.....its our job to protect the dogs from the ignorant not to educate the ignorant. The energy to do this would be wasted if used on ANYTHING else rather than securing yards and land for our dogs..... by educating fools we set ourselves up for failure because in the end we will have to go underground anyway because after we feel like we are done educating or while we are educating the IGNORANT.... the LAWS and BANS will continue to go on.... until we find ourselves going underground anyway because our dogs have been outlawed....so cut out the middle man and cut off the public/media now while we can, they can go find another breed to accost and try to destroy,.... as far as I am concerned the gamebred APBT is extinct and gone from this point on.... and has officially disappeared....because if we dont take on this mindset and portayal of how our lives really are and really do it like I say...then our dogs really will disappear and there will be nothing we can do about it...

Time For The Curtain Call,
Mr.I don't agree with this. I think education is extremely important. HSUS certainly understands the value of it, as they're responsible for most of the educating being done in shelters and law enforcement agencies throughout the US. A person can take a one-day course in Dogfighting, offered by John Goodwin himself, and come away with a certificate of completion, which qualifies an individual as being "well-trained" in the subject.

The only solution to the problems we're facing is to replace some of the morons in power with people who are truly knowledgeable...and sane! We need training programs offered by those with insight and understanding. We need animal control and law enforcement officers who know what they are looking at. We need shelter directors who understand that "pit bull" does not equal "unadoptable". We need TEACHERS! But teachers in positions that will allow them to be taken seriously. For chrissake, John Goodwin is a domestic terrorist, a convicted felon, an extreme AR fanatic, and this man is calling the shots???
People, the only way this can change is if we, ourselves, get out there and become reporters, and animal control officers, and cops, shelter directors, filmmakers, behaviorists, authors, professors, public relations representatives, and politicians! Educate yourself to the best of your ability and put yourself in a professional position which will enable you to pass this education along to others in similar positions. We need to take some of this power away from the likes of Ingrid "Straightjacket" Newkirk and John "The Terrorist" Goodwin. It's time to cut it with all the undergound bullshit and rise up!

[DRACDOG]

No dout i'm in on yhat one aswell ,how do we get the ball rolling

[pennsooner]

People that want to live in some fantasy world where the breed is saved by only being in the hands of "dogmen" are absolutely out of touch with reality. Dogfighting is illegal and if you think that criminal activity will save the breed you are nuts. Second, and this is an important point. These dogs have been kept as household dogs going back to the 1800's. So they've been in the hands of the general public since before anyone on this board was born. There is a difference between being available to the public and being a FAD breed. Being a fad dog IS killing the breed but the fad has nothing to do with the dogs being in the hands someone other than the "true dogman". I can't find any historical evidence that such a time ever existed.


The only people who will save this breed are people who have them out in the public eye in a legal positive light while keeping the dogs out of trouble. And educating the general public as to the true nature of the dogs. High prey drive and the need for sensible handling is part of their true nature. But since these dogs have been owned by the general public for well over 100 years I don't think the genie is going back in the bottle anytime soon. If in fact there ever was a bottle.

So the question is, what is to be done in the situation we are in NOW? And education is key. As is showing how pitbulls can function, with proper handling in public in socially accepted and legal ways. So the person who's dog is a therapy dog or who's dog wins an agility competition or weight pull is doing their part to help save the breed provided they keep the dog out of trouble. And anyone who allows their dog to become a negative headline is part of the problem.

[Dixiegal]

I don't agree with this. I think education is extremely important. HSUS certainly understands the value of it, as they're responsible for most of the educating being done in shelters and law enforcement agencies throughout the US. A person can take a one-day course in Dogfighting, offered by John Goodwin himself, and come away with a certificate of completion, which qualifies an individual as being "well-trained" in the subject.

The only solution to the problems we're facing is to replace some of the morons in power with people who are truly knowledgeable...and sane! We need training programs offered by those with insight and understanding. We need animal control and law enforcement officers who know what they are looking at. We need shelter directors who understand that "pit bull" does not equal "unadoptable". We need TEACHERS! But teachers in positions that will allow them to be taken seriously. For chrissake, John Goodwin is a domestic terrorist, a convicted felon, an extreme AR fanatic, and this man is calling the shots???
People, the only way this can change is if we, ourselves, get out there and become reporters, and animal control officers, and cops, shelter directors, filmmakers, behaviorists, authors, professors, public relations representatives, and politicians! Educate yourself to the best of your ability and put yourself in a professional position which will enable you to pass this education along to others in similar positions. We need to take some of this power away from the likes of Ingrid "Straightjacket" Newkirk and John "The Terrorist" Goodwin. It's time to cut it with all the undergound bullshit and rise up!
Example of same, page from Dogchannel.com about pit bulls (very positive):

http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-magazines/popular-dogs/american_pit_bull_terriers.aspx

[circe]

I don't agree with this. I think education is extremely important. HSUS certainly understands the value of it, as they're responsible for most of the educating being done in shelters and law enforcement agencies throughout the US. A person can take a one-day course in Dogfighting, offered by John Goodwin himself, and come away with a certificate of completion, which qualifies an individual as being "well-trained" in the subject.

The only solution to the problems we're facing is to replace some of the morons in power with people who are truly knowledgeable...and sane! We need training programs offered by those with insight and understanding. We need animal control and law enforcement officers who know what they are looking at. We need shelter directors who understand that "pit bull" does not equal "unadoptable". We need TEACHERS! But teachers in positions that will allow them to be taken seriously. For chrissake, John Goodwin is a domestic terrorist, a convicted felon, an extreme AR fanatic, and this man is calling the shots???
People, the only way this can change is if we, ourselves, get out there and become reporters, and animal control officers, and cops, shelter directors, filmmakers, behaviorists, authors, professors, public relations representatives, and politicians! Educate yourself to the best of your ability and put yourself in a professional position which will enable you to pass this education along to others in similar positions. We need to take some of this power away from the likes of Ingrid "Straightjacket" Newkirk and John "The Terrorist" Goodwin. It's time to cut it with all the undergound bullshit and rise up!
While I can agree with that..how do you go about it?
Sanity doesn't seem to sell..what does sell are "horrific" stories of "abused" dogs "forced" to fight.
Stories of kittens being fed to dogs as "bait" gets the public's attention way faster than stories of Buddy getting his CGC.
And while I would LOVE to see weight-pull and other sports get higher participation..how does one do that when one of the few clubs that sanction it or holds events in many areas (the AADR) is being labeled as a "registration of dog-fighters by dogfighters"????
I think things like the Lawdogs program comes close -"pit bull saves child lost in the woods".."pitbull makes multi-million dollar drug bust" are good eye-catching headlines- but unfortunately it's founder doesn't seem to be the best at PR relations. I really think she missed the boat by not complying with the insurance requirements or whatever it was that lost her a chance at the Vick dogs...
Hell, you can't even hunt hogs without some liberal jackass crying about the "poor hogs"..never mind that most conservation efforts are primarily funded BY hunters and the sale of hunting licenses.
And while our dogs are housepets, growing up we had a husky who would have been MISERABLE as one..we tried, but he prefered being outside on his chain...so he got to come in and visit, but went to the door when he'd had enough. According to some of these people, that would have been abuse..

Someone on here who doesn't even have an ABPT (I would assume they have a chi that lives in their purse and goes for "walks" by being carried around the park) had their panties all in a bunch over lumping dogs with livestock..but the line needs to be drawn somewhere..they AREN"T PEOPLE, and to try to make them into little humans does them -as dogs- a great disservice.Now this is not to say that I don't beleive in fair treatment of livestock..those vidoes involved with the "downer" cows made me sick...but there IS a middle ground.
I am sure.

[simms]

People that want to live in some fantasy world where the breed is saved by only being in the hands of "dogmen" are absolutely out of touch with reality. Dogfighting is illegal and if you think that criminal activity will save the breed you are nuts. Second, and this is an important point. These dogs have been kept as household dogs going back to the 1800's. So they've been in the hands of the general public since before anyone on this board was born. There is a difference between being available to the public and being a FAD breed. Being a fad dog IS killing the breed but the fad has nothing to do with the dogs being in the hands someone other than the "true dogman". I can't find any historical evidence that such a time ever existed.


The only people who will save this breed are people who have them out in the public eye in a legal positive light while keeping the dogs out of trouble. And educating the general public as to the true nature of the dogs. High prey drive and the need for sensible handling is part of their true nature. But since these dogs have been owned by the general public for well over 100 years I don't think the genie is going back in the bottle anytime soon. If in fact there ever was a bottle.

So the question is, what is to be done in the situation we are in NOW? And education is key. As is showing how pitbulls can function, with proper handling in public in socially accepted and legal ways. So the person who's dog is a therapy dog or who's dog wins an agility competition or weight pull is doing their part to help save the breed provided they keep the dog out of trouble. And anyone who allows their dog to become a negative headline is part of the problem.

I see your point, however there will be no shortage of pitbull type dogs. If ppl restrain them selves from making poor choices and flooding thier local markets ......in turn the breed will only bennefit from this. The standard of the gamedog is not for everyone and it desprately needs to be removed from the public eye. If the worst thing comes down the pike is limmited availability I think I can live with that.

[misterdogman]

I don't agree with this. I think education is extremely important. HSUS certainly understands the value of it, as they're responsible for most of the educating being done in shelters and law enforcement agencies throughout the US. A person can take a one-day course in Dogfighting, offered by John Goodwin himself, and come away with a certificate of completion, which qualifies an individual as being "well-trained" in the subject.

The only solution to the problems we're facing is to replace some of the morons in power with people who are truly knowledgeable...and sane! We need training programs offered by those with insight and understanding. We need animal control and law enforcement officers who know what they are looking at. We need shelter directors who understand that "pit bull" does not equal "unadoptable". We need TEACHERS! But teachers in positions that will allow them to be taken seriously. For chrissake, John Goodwin is a domestic terrorist, a convicted felon, an extreme AR fanatic, and this man is calling the shots???
People, the only way this can change is if we, ourselves, get out there and become reporters, and animal control officers, and cops, shelter directors, filmmakers, behaviorists, authors, professors, public relations representatives, and politicians! Educate yourself to the best of your ability and put yourself in a professional position which will enable you to pass this education along to others in similar positions. We need to take some of this power away from the likes of Ingrid "Straightjacket" Newkirk and John "The Terrorist" Goodwin. It's time to cut it with all the undergound bullshit and rise up!I am gald to see you still have the energy to do this, but I will and could start now and finish my degree in animal behavior, I could wrap that up in 6 mos or so and I will try to start being an educator and teacher to start putting this breed destruction to a stop. SO this is going to take how long??? for any and all of us to get a degree and then work long enough to be in a place of employment where we would be the scientists and authority with tenure that they would come to when they need some input? All while we are doing this and investing our energy in this field they would still be passing laws and outlawing the dogs we would be trying to protect and save with our superior educations.. Its a Bunch of BS look at all the years and time this site has invested and instead of being regarded as an educational site it gets referred to as a site where someone was praising Patrick dogs, so all the education and communtiy training this site offers is down the drain if the common person thinks its a site where fighting dogs and men get praised because these people will not come here to clarify what they hear. If I wrote a page up in the paper claiming a local landlord or city council person was involved online in a sex scandal nobody would want a transcript even if this person denied it everyone would have it the back of their mind FOREVER. Its like a guy who buys a girly drink at teh bar, youll be forever known as the guy who gets girly drinks, even without proof and even if it was for some smokin hot chic you had with you, that is the way it is, so now in light of all the educating this site and the members have done for new people and strangers over the years it can all be shot down with one well placed comment. SO now how long do we got until we are all educated enough to be recognized as authorities? And how long until our authority wont matter anymore? If you can tell me some of us can be there in 5 years and the dogs will be gone in 10 I would try the educating thing. But like I said these interests groups have a litany of lawyers groups and teams against us already we dont even know about, their too organized and strong and in order to be placed correctly we would need people in the hSUS the ASPCA the local AC and police officers and in PETA and over all all infiltrated, this sounds more military than anything and I dont think we even have the 5 years we would need...maybe about 5 tops until more doglaws change EVERYHTING, and I highly doubt this strategy will work considering the time it will take. Like I say invest the energy and time and $ into going underground and let them educate each other and be wrong. We will soon be off their list..... when the game dogs are hidden and gone they will only have BYB dogs Blues and others that are not the ones we would preserve..... and we could hide the real game stock and that would be cool with me. Let them remove the bad reps of the breed and control them and call tehm PITBULLS and soon they will only know a pitbull as being a dog thats 100lbs and 40 inches at the shoulder because all the real deal game dogs will have been out of site for years by then. I am sorry I do AGREE education is important but I just dont see it working, because it hasnt....HOW MANY TIMES WILL YOU TRY TO START A DEAD CAR BEFORE YOU SAY "IT AINT GONNA FUCKING START"??? I have seen people start looking old on this site...and others disappear!!! all while trying to get the word out to the world and educate the masses....I have tried for years to EDUCATE in vain myself. Unless we had a millionaire who wanted to invest in this education front we might as well just forget it.... because you can only forcefeed education with TV media propaganda and billboards....we aint got the $ for that folks....just spreading education wont work online or by mouth or at fun shows.... because these people dont want to learn the stuff we say they want to deny it and kill our dogs and why would you want to educate someone like that anyway. You cant educate ignorance. I am really sorry and feel bad RS because YOUR RIGHT education is the right thing and the right way, but if it wont and dont work and you can see the hammer falling how long until you quit trying to start the damn car and go to another one. Time to put the dogs up before someone else shoots them up and kills them...Mark my words it is already happening. Laws and rules and BSL will win the day. Time to go the way of punk rock and show up evey few years for a brief popularity swing but for the most part its time to disappear underground with Sid Vicious.

[pennsooner]

I see your point, however there will be no shortage of pitbull type dogs. If ppl restrain them selves from making poor choices and flooding thier local markets ......in turn the breed will only bennefit from this. The standard of the gamedog is not for everyone and it desprately needs to be removed from the public eye. If the worst thing comes down the pike is limmited availability I think I can live with that.



I couldn't agree more that the casual mass selling of very high drive dogs to un- screened buyers is a disaster for the breed. People ought to have to put some serious work into owning a real deal pitbull.

[chinasmom]

If anyone saw my attempt at a info page I'm sorry. It has been scratched and have started over. So far two pages of news about good things the breed has done. There will be a page for working dogs, therapy, disc, service you get the idea. I need something else for the home page though, all I got is an intro about what this site is about.

This site will be used for giving positive media attention to the American Pit Bull Terrier. The media attention that you very rarely hear about. It's always the negative news that is broadcast about this breed, but if you look for the possitive, you can find it. He is loyal and loving. He is so attentive he used to be called "The Nanny Dog." Now he is only known as a killer and a danger to society. He is more than that. He is the American Pit Bull Terrier. He is a service dog, a therapy dog, a disc dog, a weight puller, and a agility dog. So keep reading and you will get to know the APBT that owners already know. A true friend, loyal companion and a dog that only wants to belong and be loved. Not persecuted.

[Rockstar]

I am gald to see you still have the energy to do this, but I will and could start now and finish my degree in animal behavior, I could wrap that up in 6 mos or so and I will try to start being an educator and teacher to start putting this breed destruction to a stop. SO this is going to take how long??? for any and all of us to get a degree and then work long enough to be in a place of employment where we would be the scientists and authority with tenure that they would come to when they need some input? All while we are doing this and investing our energy in this field they would still be passing laws and outlawing the dogs we would be trying to protect and save with our superior educations.. Its a Bunch of BS look at all the years and time this site has invested and instead of being regarded as an educational site it gets referred to as a site where someone was praising Patrick dogs, so all the education and communtiy training this site offers is down the drain if the common person thinks its a site where fighting dogs and men get praised because these people will not come here to clarify what they hear. If I wrote a page up in the paper claiming a local landlord or city council person was involved online in a sex scandal nobody would want a transcript even if this person denied it everyone would have it the back of their mind FOREVER. Its like a guy who buys a girly drink at teh bar, youll be forever known as the guy who gets girly drinks, even without proof and even if it was for some smokin hot chic you had with you, that is the way it is, so now in light of all the educating this site and the members have done for new people and strangers over the years it can all be shot down with one well placed comment. SO now how long do we got until we are all educated enough to be recognized as authorities? And how long until our authority wont matter anymore? If you can tell me some of us can be there in 5 years and the dogs will be gone in 10 I would try the educating thing. But like I said these interests groups have a litany of lawyers groups and teams against us already we dont even know about, their too organized and strong and in order to be placed correctly we would need people in the hSUS the ASPCA the local AC and police officers and in PETA and over all all infiltrated, this sounds more military than anything and I dont think we even have the 5 years we would need...maybe about 5 tops until more doglaws change EVERYHTING, and I highly doubt this strategy will work considering the time it will take. Like I say invest the energy and time and $ into going underground and let them educate each other and be wrong. We will soon be off their list..... when the game dogs are hidden and gone they will only have BYB dogs Blues and others that are not the ones we would preserve..... and we could hide the real game stock and that would be cool with me. Let them remove the bad reps of the breed and control them and call tehm PITBULLS and soon they will only know a pitbull as being a dog thats 100lbs and 40 inches at the shoulder because all the real deal game dogs will have been out of site for years by then. I am sorry I do AGREE education is important but I just dont see it working, because it hasnt....HOW MANY TIMES WILL YOU TRY TO START A DEAD CAR BEFORE YOU SAY "IT AINT GONNA FUCKING START"??? I have seen people start looking old on this site...and others disappear!!! all while trying to get the word out to the world and educate the masses....I have tried for years to EDUCATE in vain myself. Unless we had a millionaire who wanted to invest in this education front we might as well just forget it.... because you can only forcefeed education with TV media propaganda and billboards....we aint got the $ for that folks....just spreading education wont work online or by mouth or at fun shows.... because these people dont want to learn the stuff we say they want to deny it and kill our dogs and why would you want to educate someone like that anyway. You cant educate ignorance. I am really sorry and feel bad RS because YOUR RIGHT education is the right thing and the right way, but if it wont and dont work and you can see the hammer falling how long until you quit trying to start the damn car and go to another one. Time to put the dogs up before someone else shoots them up and kills them...Mark my words it is already happening. Laws and rules and BSL will win the day. Time to go the way of punk rock and show up evey few years for a brief popularity swing but for the most part its time to disappear underground with Sid Vicious.You don't need a degree in Animal Behavior, Journalism, or Law Enforcement to make something happen. Look at Cesar Milan, the "Dog Whisperer", himself. A poor Mexican dude who washed cars for a living and couldn't speak a word of English. He had a dream though, and the motivation to make shit happen. Look at him now.

Glen Bui, a convicted felon with a Bachelor's degree in genetics. He's an all-around asshole who doesn't really know squat about pit bulls or dogfighting or canine behavior, yet this guy founded the American Canine Foundation, which has become the most effective anti-BSL organization in the country.

Do you think that PETA, HSUS, or countless "Humane Societies" across the nation are run by people who are formally educated in subjects in which they claim to be experts? Hell no! These groups are ruled by web designers, accountants, general business professionals, and smooth talkers, all motivated by money and power, which brings me to this question: How many animal shelters are sitting on hundreds of thousands or millions in the bank while they claim they don't have enough space or resources to cut down on this euthanization bullshit?
Answer: TOO DAMNED MANY!!!

Excuse my language, but it's just too easy for all these sorry motherfuckers to sit back and blame the "pet overpopulation" problems and "aggressive dog" problems on irresponsible owners and dogfighters while money pours in by the millions and animal body bags pour out at the same rate. "Animal Welfare" has become a business of killing and prosecuting.

Salvation doesn't pay as much.

Nonetheless, Salvation is a business that needs to be undertaken, but the best people for the job seem to have been brainwashed into believeing that it's a hopeless cause. A million individuals, each with ten dollars in his/her pocket, are just a million broke-ass individuals. But these same individuals united together equal a powerful and well-funded army!

And why must the working doggers and petbullers segregrate themselves when so much can be gained by coming together? How much effort is wasted by bickering, name-calling, dog-bashing, and blame-placing? The pet people are blaming the working people for the downfall of the breed; the working people are blaming the pet people for the same...blah blah blah.

It's fucking getting old.

The fact of the matter is this: Neither side is any more to blame for anything than the other. Both sides are equally lazy, arrogant, ill-informed, and full of shit. It's a friggin civil war in the pit bull world and the spoils are going to those who DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THESE DOGS!!!

Let's get off our asses, combine all our resources, and give the fascist greedy ignorant sadistic self-righteous fucks in power some good old-fashioned American Opposition!!!

Or...

...wait until it's you who is looking at a world through barred windows.

...wait until it's your dogs that are being tossed around in black plastic bags.

...wait until the government completely outlaws pit bull breeds, restricts you from owning more than one dog at the same time; a dog which must, by law, live inside your house and be spayed/neutered, and provide a paw print as signature on an authorization form which allows you, as the dog's "guardian", permission to pet it.

[bullydogs]

You don't need a degree in Animal Behavior, Journalism, or Law Enforcement to make something happen. Look at Cesar Milan, the "Dog Whisperer", himself. A poor Mexican dude who washed cars for a living and couldn't speak a word of English. He had a dream though, and the motivation to make shit happen. Look at him now.

Glen Bui, a convicted felon with a Bachelor's degree in genetics. He's an all-around asshole who doesn't really know squat about pit bulls or dogfighting or canine behavior, yet this guy founded the American Canine Foundation, which has become the most effective anti-BSL organization in the country.

Do you think that PETA, HSUS, or countless "Humane Societies" across the nation are run by people who are formally educated in subjects in which they claim to be experts? Hell no! These groups are ruled by web designers, accountants, general business professionals, and smooth talkers, all motivated by money and power, which brings me to this question: How many animal shelters are sitting on hundreds of thousands or millions in the bank while they claim they don't have enough space or resources to cut down on this euthanization bullshit?
Answer: TOO DAMNED MANY!!!

Excuse my language, but it's just too easy for all these sorry motherfuckers to sit back and blame the "pet overpopulation" problems and "aggressive dog" problems on irresponsible owners and dogfighters while money pours in by the millions and animal body bags pour out at the same rate. "Animal Welfare" has become a business of killing and prosecuting.

Salvation doesn't pay as much.

Nonetheless, Salvation is a business that needs to be undertaken, but the best people for the job seem to have been brainwashed into believeing that it's a hopeless cause. A million individuals, each with ten dollars in his/her pocket, are just a million broke-ass individuals. But these same individuals united together equal a powerful and well-funded army!

And why must the working doggers and petbullers segregrate themselves when so much can be gained by coming together? How much effort is wasted by bickering, name-calling, dog-bashing, and blame-placing? The pet people are blaming the working people for the downfall of the breed; the working people are blaming the pet people for the same...blah blah blah.

It's fucking getting old.

The fact of the matter is this: Neither side is any more to blame for anything than the other. Both sides are equally lazy, arrogant, ill-informed, and full of shit. It's a friggin civil war in the pit bull world and the spoils are going to those who DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THESE DOGS!!!

Let's get off our asses, combine all our resources, and give the fascist greedy ignorant sadistic self-righteous fucks in power some good old-fashioned American Opposition!!!

Or...

...wait until it's you who is looking at a world through barred windows.

...wait until it's your dogs that are being tossed around in black plastic bags.

...wait until the government completely outlaws pit bull breeds, restricts you from owning more than one dog at the same time; a dog which must, by law, live inside your house and be spayed/neutered, and provide a paw print as signature on an authorization form which allows you, as the dog's "guardian", permission to pet it.Great post, Rockstar.

"A million individuals, each with ten dollars in his/her pocket, are just a million broke-ass individuals. But these same individuals united together equal a powerful and well-funded army!"

We do not need fancy college degrees, or to be rich. The power of unity is a beautiful thing. Its time to get organized and fight back. Key word is organized. I am so ready to dig in and make a stand.

Rockstar, how to you propose we get this started?

[misterdogman]

You don't need a degree in Animal Behavior, Journalism, or Law Enforcement to make something happen. Look at Cesar Milan, the "Dog Whisperer", himself. A poor Mexican dude who washed cars for a living and couldn't speak a word of English. He had a dream though, and the motivation to make shit happen. Look at him now.

Glen Bui, a convicted felon with a Bachelor's degree in genetics. He's an all-around asshole who doesn't really know squat about pit bulls or dogfighting or canine behavior, yet this guy founded the American Canine Foundation, which has become the most effective anti-BSL organization in the country.

Do you think that PETA, HSUS, or countless "Humane Societies" across the nation are run by people who are formally educated in subjects in which they claim to be experts? Hell no! These groups are ruled by web designers, accountants, general business professionals, and smooth talkers, all motivated by money and power, which brings me to this question: How many animal shelters are sitting on hundreds of thousands or millions in the bank while they claim they don't have enough space or resources to cut down on this euthanization bullshit?
Answer: TOO DAMNED MANY!!!

Excuse my language, but it's just too easy for all these sorry motherfuckers to sit back and blame the "pet overpopulation" problems and "aggressive dog" problems on irresponsible owners and dogfighters while money pours in by the millions and animal body bags pour out at the same rate. "Animal Welfare" has become a business of killing and prosecuting.

Salvation doesn't pay as much.

Nonetheless, Salvation is a business that needs to be undertaken, but the best people for the job seem to have been brainwashed into believeing that it's a hopeless cause. A million individuals, each with ten dollars in his/her pocket, are just a million broke-ass individuals. But these same individuals united together equal a powerful and well-funded army!

And why must the working doggers and petbullers segregrate themselves when so much can be gained by coming together? How much effort is wasted by bickering, name-calling, dog-bashing, and blame-placing? The pet people are blaming the working people for the downfall of the breed; the working people are blaming the pet people for the same...blah blah blah.

It's fucking getting old.

The fact of the matter is this: Neither side is any more to blame for anything than the other. Both sides are equally lazy, arrogant, ill-informed, and full of shit. It's a friggin civil war in the pit bull world and the spoils are going to those who DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THESE DOGS!!!

Let's get off our asses, combine all our resources, and give the fascist greedy ignorant sadistic self-righteous fucks in power some good old-fashioned American Opposition!!!

Or...

...wait until it's you who is looking at a world through barred windows.

...wait until it's your dogs that are being tossed around in black plastic bags.

...wait until the government completely outlaws pit bull breeds, restricts you from owning more than one dog at the same time; a dog which must, by law, live inside your house and be spayed/neutered, and provide a paw print as signature on an authorization form which allows you, as the dog's "guardian", permission to pet it.OK I do agree that sometimes there is amazing stories about individuals who made a difference, like your choice of an example Cesar Milan, he did come up and has done a lot as far as animal training and behavior goes. But in your own response you almost hit the nail on the head yourself when you realize how monumental a task it would be to educate these people who seem to have the power when really they are not even as educated nor do they know anymore than our best team of dog people here on site. BUT alas one big thing you mentioned is begging me to bring it to light, you mentioned money, and the hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars these organzations have. All from either supposed non profit ways or from private donations or memberships or whatever, but even if you wanted a meager slow start thru websites etc you would never hit the population with your message of APBT salvation soon enough or BROADLY enuf..... because like you said these people and the general public does not give a damn about these dogs and if they were gone tomorrow they would not bat an eye. So how do we battle this size of a beast all along the whole time more laws are going to be passed up until we got powerful enough to lobby and fight back and stop laws before they got that far , but how long will that take? Too damn long IMO....if its just coming from some broke ass normal everyday dog people and a few websites, we aint got no damn money.... itll take longer than we got really just to get ready and plan. Also in the long run what is the goal of this education, to show that game bred dogs are not the vicious people killers and baby manglers they are perceived to be? Or that its ok for us to own dogs bred and kept the same as game bred dogs of long ago, which were used for fighting.... as long as we keep them properly contained and secure and its ok to be on a chain ETC...SO their argument becomes the chain is BAD and if your not fighting the dogs why do they have to be of that quality and kept so pure etc....ON and on and on and on...so overall by going the route of educating the ignorant what in the conclusion of this task??? WHAT is the real ending goal or desired result? And afterwards.... or when this is accomplished what will the state and position of our group be, saying we were sucessful??? we would be left in a position of the public eye and media and expected to answer questions and be there as this supposed authority,... so do you really want that anyway???. Sure being in control of our own breed would be the best most supreme and ideal thing right??? you might think now but when its thrust into the spotlight of TV and Media I doubt youd be thanking your good graces of breed control. Because really when you boil it down WHY do we and why would we want these dogs in the spotlight of the public and why would we want them educated on them when we all agree this breed is not for the PUBLIC,.... the public is stupid and overall why do we need to prove or educate a group that really doesnt want to learn in the first place. Really in the end if you think about it the education we wish for is just a hope the ignorance the public has will go away, which it wont no matter what angle we took and how much money we put into it the public and masses will never think like we do. It is really a lost cause no matter how good the intentions are overall the input WILL NEVER be surpassed by the output. You can educate this fact all your life and still never have anything to show for it and nothing produced from this hard work. Makes me think of the Alchemists of long ago trying to make gold from mixing other elements together.... and thru their whole lives of studies and tests they sought something that could never be done and in vain died as failures no matter what they thought they accomplished along the way.

[misterdogman]

Great post, Rockstar.

"A million individuals, each with ten dollars in his/her pocket, are just a million broke-ass individuals. But these same individuals united together equal a powerful and well-funded army!"

We do not need fancy college degrees, or to be rich. The power of unity is a beautiful thing. Its time to get organized and fight back. Key word is organized. I am so ready to dig in and make a stand.

Rockstar, how to you propose we get this started?PLEASE quit fooling yourself. WE will do and got to have money and resources. This is now turning into a "good heart can accomplish anything" phase and the fairytale world can be saved for bedtime... because seriously... if it could be done just from the unity of the people why hasnt it been done already because I know this site alone has been pretty damn united for years... but as far as accomplishing anything as far as laws go... it seems even together as a HUGE site pretty unaccomplished as far as the dogs and laws go...not because of the lack of desire at this site.... but of what is that you say...the lack of funds resources and time to accomplish these goals. ....A HA!!! thats IT....If it was easy and free I am sure this site and its owner(s) would have tried to make it happen, not to put words in anyones mouths but I almost guarantee it would already be a fact. SO why is that it hasnt happened already for free? Because it aint free.... and to get anything like this out there to the public and to get the masses educated would cost more than all of us even if together and UNITED got.

[Dixiegal]

PLEASE quit fooling yourself. WE will do and got to have money and resources. This is now turning into a "good heart can accomplish anything" phase and the fairytale world can be saved for bedtime... because seriously... if it could be done just from the unity of the people why hasnt it been done already because I know this site alone has been pretty damn united for years... but as far as accomplishing anything as far as laws go... it seems even together as a HUGE site pretty unaccomplished as far as the dogs and laws go...not because of the lack of desire at this site.... but of what is that you say...the lack of funds resources and time to accomplish these goals. ....A HA!!! thats IT....If it was easy and free I am sure this site and its owner(s) would have tried to make it happen, not to put words in anyones mouths but I almost guarantee it would already be a fact. SO why is that it hasnt happened already for free? Because it aint free.... and to get anything like this out there to the public and to get the masses educated would cost more than all of us even if together and UNITED got.
“You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try. (http://thinkexist.com/quotation/you_may_be_disappointed_if_you_fail-but_you_are/200623.html)”
Beverly Sills
“The men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than those who try nothing and succeed (http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_men_who_try_to_do_something_and_fail_are/175161.html)”
Lloyd Jones

[pennsooner]

Political power is a matter of one of two things. Organized money and or organized people.

Pitbull owners have some talent around. Rockstar for example would make a good lobbyist, IMO. Just a matter of what model to organize on. And in that way the Internet is our friend, it makes organizing much easier.

We need people with: Business sense, lawyers, lobbyist and press relations people and people with organization skills. I've been a professional community organizer but that is a drastically different model. Oh, people with education in ADVERTISING would be good as well.


Let me ask the board this. What groups that are active NOW are getting the most good done in everyone else's opinion? Perhaps some sort of united pitbull front would be better than reinventing the wheel. I'm aware that the "vibe" of this sort of talk turns a lot of folks on the board off and its not my intent to offend or put anyone off. But IMO you've got to be able to think in organizational terms to effect change.

[misterdogman]

“You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try. (http://thinkexist.com/quotation/you_may_be_disappointed_if_you_fail-but_you_are/200623.html)”
Beverly Sills
“The men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than those who try nothing and succeed (http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_men_who_try_to_do_something_and_fail_are/175161.html)”
Lloyd JonesDont go getting all philosophical and post two quotes in reference to doing "Nothing" or not "Trying" towards my statement darling.... I havent said anything in reference to your 2 quotes that applies...definitely not to be replied to with statements like that anyway...responding to me like I have a giving up or quitting attitude wont get you that far....I aint no quitter...anyone who knows me knows that..... I am just stating that instead of getting into a battle publicly and educate the masses..... why not invest half the energy to doing that into a huge game dog front of collection and securing.... of all the respected and well bred bloodlines around the world FIRST THING. It is a choice of preference...educate first or SELF PRESERVE first???? and I dont see one of the 2 being very sucessful anyway.... period...educating is like filling up the ocean with fresh water....It wont ever be a finished process and when you are done using all your fresh water you still got a kinda salty Ocean....all along not doing much for the breed in the end. But if action is taken and we had all the blood we could ever need and it is secured where nobody can harm or take it away... then we would be in a position to talk and educate afterwards... because right now were vulnerable to having things change tomorrow... for all we know something could be on the politicians minds right now as they are about to be voted in anew...and we could be caught with our chains undone and with no pre prep for preserving our dogs....But we will be in a totally prepared situation to talk dogs and educate about game dogs and show them the "Way" right as the breed death certificate is being signed. We just wont be ready to defend ourselves or save our dogs. What will all our educating capabilities do for us then if the laws still take our dogs away and change constantly. THIS WONT WORK IN THE COURTS. If it ever went there the dogs would lose out and if by then they aint in a safe place it will be the end of the story. So maybe "action" is just being looked at differently, not like saying do nothing give up, just saying close the curtain go away and take dogs with you because I see the end coming soon. The media, internet, and dumbass people who never should have had these dogs either game bred or designer or byb..... this is a disaster ....and the snowball effect will be the only result and no FORCE can stop it. SELF PRESERVATION for the dogs and you and your own is the only key and solution. Education will not provide that for the animals and just "loving" and owning game bred dogs will never be ok and accepted in the public eye no matter how many you educate. The world is just not that perfect.

[coolhandjean]

I left a comment on there as well!!!!!Apparently your message was too pro-APBT as well, because I only see anti-APBT comments, but not your comment or my own comment.

[Dixiegal]

Dont go getting all philosophical and post two quotes in reference to doing "Nothing" or not "Trying" towards my statement darling.... I havent said anything in reference to your 2 quotes that applies...definitely not to be replied to with statements like that anyway...responding to me like I have a giving up or quitting attitude wont get you that far....I aint no quitter...anyone who knows me knows that..... I am just stating that instead of getting into a battle publicly and educate the masses..... why not invest half the energy to doing that into a huge game dog front of collection and securing.... of all the respected and well bred bloodlines around the world FIRST THING. It is a choice of preference...educate first or SELF PRESERVE first???? and I dont see one of the 2 being very sucessful anyway.... period...educating is like filling up the ocean with fresh water....It wont ever be a finished process and when you are done using all your fresh water you still got a kinda salty Ocean....all along not doing much for the breed in the end. But if action is taken and we had all the blood we could ever need and it is secured where nobody can harm or take it away... then we would be in a position to talk and educate afterwards... because right now were vulnerable to having things change tomorrow... for all we know something could be on the politicians minds right now as they are about to be voted in anew...and we could be caught with our chains undone and with no pre prep for preserving our dogs....But we will be in a totally prepared situation to talk dogs and educate about game dogs and show them the "Way" right as the breed death certificate is being signed. We just wont be ready to defend ourselves or save our dogs. What will all our educating capabilities do for us then if the laws still take our dogs away and change constantly. THIS WONT WORK IN THE COURTS. If it ever went there the dogs would lose out and if by then they aint in a safe place it will be the end of the story. So maybe "action" is just being looked at differently, not like saying do nothing give up, just saying close the curtain go away and take dogs with you because I see the end coming soon. The media, internet, and dumbass people who never should have had these dogs either game bred or designer or byb..... this is a disaster ....and the snowball effect will be the only result and no FORCE can stop it. SELF PRESERVATION for the dogs and you and your own is the only key and solution. Education will not provide that for the animals and just "loving" and owning game bred dogs will never be ok and accepted in the public eye no matter how many you educate. The world is just not that perfect.
Wasn't trying to offend darling (!), rather I find those quotes inspiring. Thought you might too. :) FWIW, maybe BOTH those things should be attempted, what you are talking about and what Rockstar is suggesting. Just a thought.

[misterdogman]

Wasn't trying to offend darling (!), rather I find those quotes inspiring. Thought you might too. :) FWIW, maybe BOTH those things should be attempted, what you are talking about and what Rockstar is suggesting. Just a thought. No you didnt offend me Darling, hope I didnt by calling you Darling...Darling....lmao... I just would be let down if someone ....anyone...would think I was not ready to try something, and YES educating is important.... I have and do teach a lot of people things about the dogs.... and many here can testify I will always answer an PM and educate a fellow APBT lover when asked a ?. BUT its just the task at hand during the time in which we live where I get down about trying to make a change by educating the people who are out there and need it.....which I have found rarely works on even a small scale....so imagine a large scale.... It just has come to a head in my eyes and its about time to change direction and just go underground if we want to save anything. We dont need the public to know anything anyway, its the dogs and us that are the only ones that need to know anything to acconplish what needs accomplished. After light of people like Michael Vick and other "(In)Famous" people even fools getting busted for dumb stuff educating the people would be a immpossible task anyhow because we would be undoing all the damage already done not just highlighting and educating the good things about the breed. There was not enough TV shows like Little Rascals and famous War Dogs and enough good stories in the world to change the mind of the Haters of the breed. Time to just not bother educating people who need and deserve nothing from us, time to remove ourselves from their presence period with our dogs then educate and try to prevent BSL and other laws.

[Dixiegal]

No you didnt offend me Darling, hope I didnt by calling you Darling...Darling....lmao... I just would be let down if someone ....anyone...would think I was not ready to try something, and YES educating is important.... I have and do teach a lot of people things about the dogs.... and many here can testify I will always answer an PM and educate a fellow APBT lover when asked a ?. BUT its just the task at hand during the time in which we live where I get down about trying to make a change by educating the people who are out there and need it.....which I have found rarely works on even a small scale....so imagine a large scale.... It just has come to a head in my eyes and its about time to change direction and just go underground if we want to save anything. We dont need the public to know anything anyway, its the dogs and us that are the only ones that need to know anything to acconplish what needs accomplished. After light of people like Michael Vick and other "(In)Famous" people even fools getting busted for dumb stuff educating the people would be a immpossible task anyhow because we would be undoing all the damage already done not just highlighting and educating the good things about the breed. There was not enough TV shows like Little Rascals and famous War Dogs and enough good stories in the world to change the mind of the Haters of the breed. Time to just not bother educating people who need and deserve nothing from us, time to remove ourselves from their presence period with our dogs then educate and try to prevent BSL and other laws.
Well, I can tell you one thing - one of the Vick dogs was on the Rachel Ray show with BAD RAP on Friday, and it did make a difference. On another forum, someone posted that she had her dog with her out shopping somewhere, and was approached by someone who had seen the show. The person was just gushing over her dog. So you never know. I do think it's slow and gradual, one person at a time sometimes.

And it's okay if you call me darling, darling. ;)
(LMAO)

[misterdogman]

Well, I can tell you one thing - one of the Vick dogs was on the Rachel Ray show with BAD RAP on Friday, and it did make a difference. On another forum, someone posted that she had her dog with her out shopping somewhere, and was approached by someone who had seen the show. The person was just gushing over her dog. So you never know. I do think it's slow and gradual, one person at a time sometimes.

And it's okay if you call me darling, darling. ;)
(LMAO)yeah that is good to get the good publicity when it comes but I think it would have to come in truck loads from everyone to disrupt the bad publicity. It is kinda of an unequal proportion thing, for every bad thing 3 good things have to happen to break even. At our rate lots of good things have to happen and the damn dumb attack stories and mixed breed bitings need to stop. Everything with the "look" is an apbt when it bites and that shit had gotta stop, along with other bad press from the societies and organizations around the world just for us to get a edge or and upper hand at all.

[Dixiegal]

yeah that is good to get the good publicity when it comes but I think it would have to come in truck loads from everyone to disrupt the bad publicity. It is kinda of an unequal proportion thing, for every bad thing 3 good things have to happen to break even. At our rate lots of good things have to happen and the damn dumb attack stories and mixed breed bitings need to stop. Everything with the "look" is an apbt when it bites and that shit had gotta stop, along with other bad press from the societies and organizations around the world just for us to get a edge or and upper hand at all.
I absolutely agree with that.

[chinasmom]

Well as I stated earlier, I can only do so much to educate the enemy. I can only write so many letters "To Whom It May Concern," but I can also try to put more education out there and only hope ppl will read it. Hopefully another web site will be published this afternoon after bashing my brains on my pc keyboard all weekend. I tried to show awareness about the breed at a candlelight vigil I held in my town. Who else on this site will do something, anything to help stop this crap. I know there are plenty of ppl on here far more educated than I who can make a mark. Write a letter to the ppl in higher power with words that you use on here, then let everyone copy it and send to to all the higher power in their states. That's a start.

[yellaman420]

Man, the thing that kills educating these type of people (anti's) is that most of them already have the ideology that these dogs are 'bad'. General public and semantics aside, the ones any dog owner are going up against already have this die hard thought inside that all animals should be 'free' of man's subjugation. How do you educate a closed mind like that? Even though animals make it possible for them to bitch, you cant convince them that anything animal related isn't wrong. It is almost like a religion w/ them. "See it our way, or youre wrong". You cant negotiate or educate someone like that. Just like a religion, they think if you dont convert, theyll wipe you out. In my years of living there has been only one way I have found to change the mind of someone like that. And Mrs. .308 doesn't argue, banter, or respond to hate mail, she just gets it done.

[coolhandjean]

Man, the thing that kills educating these type of people (anti's) is that most of them already have the ideology that these dogs are 'bad'. General public and semantics aside, the ones any dog owner are going up against already have this die hard thought inside that all animals should be 'free' of man's subjugation. I know what you mean. A year ago my Sister and I got in a fight, because she thinks my dogs are "vicious". She has never met them, but she has made that decision based on their breed. When I tried to educate her about the breed, she told me, "I can feel however I want about them, so leave me alone." Then her husband who was mad that I was trying to talk to her about it, started posting every "Pit bull" attack article he could find on his myspace and said, "oh yeah, sweet dogs." It didn't matter to them that I have been putting research into this breed. Apparently they don't care to learn. At least that is what they told me.

[pennsooner]

You are not really working to educate your enemy. You are working to educate the neutral 3rd party observer.

[yellaman420]

You are not really working to educate your enemy. You are working to educate the neutral 3rd party observer.
In a perfect world, that would be the best choice. However, how many people are out their w/ ZERO feelings on the APBT? Children would be the only ones I can think of with no polarized view of things. Matter of fact, if someone has the burnin' yearnin' to educate anyone, that would be your best bet. People either love our breed or through years of miseducation, hate and fear want to condemn it. My cousin OWNS a pit/lab that she adopted more than 8 years ago, but every time she sees a pure bred "they eat children" is the first words out of her mouth. Even though her 2 kids have grown up with the dog and love her like their own sib. Total denial about what her dog is and isnt, yet total acceptance of the media bias. Other people that Ive run into w/ 2nd hand bulldogs have the same type of blinders on. A couple tried to tell me that their blue tick hound/pit mix was a great dane/basenji. Due to the dogs very hoarse/high pitched pitbull bark, that was their basis for the basenji claim. They got the dog stray, had no idea who the parents were, and just made up what they liked. Talk about denial!! I tried to talk w/ them for awhile and tell them what they really had, even showing them a camera vid of my girl barkin "See, your dog sounds JUST LIKE what he really is." But you couldnt shake their notion. In the end, I just asked them if they were happy w/ him, they said yes, and thats all that really matters.
Yeah, these instances are kinda off the regular run of things, but how many people out there have the same opinions? And you think that the 'neutral' 3rd is gonna step up and say "I dont care what anyone says, even though Ive never owned one, they HAVE to be good dogs w/ a bad name. Thats just plausible." Or would they be more likely to say "Damn shame about that kid on the news..What breed of dog was that again? Killem all!"
Im not sayin you shouldnt try, but cast your seed in the places were it is most likely to bear fruit. The children, like any other cause or belief are the future of this breed. I maintain the standards I do so my grandkids can say "you see that hard huntin, hog snatching, 43lb, rock steady dog? My ancestor preserved that. MY Grandpappy made sure that beautiful animal would be here for me."