Where did the "bait dog saying" get started?

[Marty]

Can anyone tell me?

Well we all know you throw a puppy in there with them to train the to kill. right?

Update:

The remains of more than a dozen dogs were found behind the home believed to belong to a man authorites call a 'dog fighting kingpin.'

On Tuesday, authorities seized more than 150 dogs from four homes in Pima County. The dogs are believed to be part of a dog fighting ring that operated here and allegedly sold fighters all over the country.

Six arrests were made, including Mahlon Patrick, who authorities say is one of the biggest dog fighting breeders in the country.

News 4 has learned, the FBI and the Department of Agriculture (USDA) will be assisting the Pima County Sheriff's Department in the investigation. The USDA was the lead agency in the investigation involving Michael Vick.

Today, investigators were back on the property where they made some very disturbing finds: more than half a dozen grave sites, where they found the remains of dogs, including puppies.

Sgt. Terry Parish says it could be that the puppies: "were not of adequate size or they could have been used as a bait animal to get the blood lust going."

Or, investigators say, the puppies could have had medical conditions and died. Evidence found near the puppies, seized earlier this week, indicates that the dogs had infections in their feet from standing in their own feces.

Detective Theresa Deschenes, who's been working the case for a year, comes upon another site...and is amazed.

She found a gravesite where a black plastic bag was buried. Inside, remains of a dog that hadn't been there long. The body had not yet started decomposing.

And that could be very helpful to investigators in finding out how the animal died.

Sgt. Parish tells us, "(PCSO) Sheriff Dupnik isn't just interested in putting a dent in this crime; we want to put it out of business and make sure it never starts again. Make sure these players never do this type of activity ever again."



http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp...5&nav=HMO6HMaW

Here we go with the bait dog shit again

Can any of you tell me where all this came from?

Hint! not the dog fighters :nono:

[jadedpitgirl]

Can anyone tell me?
I'm gonna take a guess and say the
Humane Society of the United States

Am I right?

[Marty]

And the media!

[DeadGame4]

30 Years with Fighting DOgs by George Armitage has something about 2 guys using a "bait dog'

[Marty]

A puppy/kitten?

Come on now!

[badboy_caesar]

What I do not understand, is how the idea of a bait dog would even make sense! The logic is so off, I can't believe people actually believe that is what works and that is what dog fighters practice. I was reading an article today and they quoted an Animal Control Officer saying that feeding raw meat makes dogs aggressive!!! Apparently I am making my dogs aggressive and blood thirsty when I feed them raw! News to me!

Both my dogs are dog aggressive, and both LOVE and are very delicate with puppies when properly introduced.

[DeadGame4]

I didnt say a puppy or kitten, i just remember in that book him talking about 2 guys getting some street cur and using him as bait. I remember that because I thought it was weird and stupid.

One thing that has hurt us though is when guys have used live animals on a jenny. Few even have jennys now, but if you do, a milk jug works just as good as a live animal. No need to give the other side any more ammo than theyve already got

[Dixiegal]

I didnt say a puppy or kitten, i just remember in that book him talking about 2 guys getting some street cur and using him as bait. I remember that because I thought it was weird and stupid.

One thing that has hurt us though is when guys have used live animals on a jenny. Few even have jennys now, but if you do, a milk jug works just as good as a live animal. No need to give the other side any more ammo than theyve already got
Randy Fox has a whole story on his website about using live cats hung from a rope, and said it was a method Earl Tudor taught him. I don't know that it's true, but he's saying it is.

[Rockstar]

The concept of the "bait" animal is as old as the domestic dog itself. There are numerous historical accounts of dogmen using live or dead animals to bait their working dogs. Hunters have commonly used live prey to help develop the skills of fox hounds, bird dogs, coon hounds, and so on. History tells us that it wasn't out of the ordinary to bait fighting dogs during the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries. You better believe that live cats and other small animals were used with the first cat mills. Some doggers used a variety of brutal methods to develop "meaness" in their fighting stock. Complete and total desensitization and starvation wasn't an anomaly in those days, nor was beating the dogs, or feeding them nothing but live animals for weeks before a fight.
Fortunately, we know more today than we knew back then. Such abhorrent practices have, for the most part, been abandoned in favor of smarter and kinder means of conditioning and discipline. Unfortunately, some hunters still use live bait to help train their game dogs (the other kind of game dogs) and I can tell you for a fact that a handful of uneducated dogfighters continue to use cruel techniques with their dogs. I've known people to have strangers throw bottles and rocks at their dogs as they sit helpless on a short chain. I've known people to roll very young pups within the radius of a tractor tire. I could go on and on, but I won't. I've never witnessed the use of a bait animal in modern dog fighting cultures, but to say it doesn't ever occur nowadays would be a bit naive, considering the vicious things people do to one another, let alone animals.
It's also very naive to think that bait animals are anywhere near as common today as the likes of John Goodwin would have you believe. It's obvious to me that this man is on a sadistic power trip and nothing he says can be taken seriously. The ignorance he has displayed publicly is nothing short of astonishing, and he is primarily responsible for the current training of animal welfare officials all across the country. He is the catalyst for a crisis that will only continue to worsen long after he has left office a wealthy individual.

Dogfighting has become a sport of fools. I suppose Mr. Goodwin can give himself a hearty pat on the back for that. I'm just wondering how many more innocent people are going to have to pay -how many more good dogs are going to have to die- for the legacy of this sadist bureaucrat.

[Pipbull]

I remember reading a book, I want to say it was The Great Train Robbery, where he discusses going to a dog fighter to buy a bulldog. Not an APBT, a big bulldog. Anyway, a few dogs he comes across were trainer dogs for a dog fight. I'm not sure if he ever uses the term bait dogs, but he describes the first one is a dog that had it's teeth removed for a practice fight. And another one had it's fur shaved in the preferred areas for the dog to bite. I'm not sure if any of that was historically acurate to dog fighting in that era in London, but that's just my input on the term.

[Big Game]

Great post Rockstar. The concept of the "bait" animal is as old as the domestic dog itself. There are numerous historical accounts of dogmen using live or dead animals to bait their working dogs. Hunters have commonly used live prey to help develop the skills of fox dogs, bird dogs, coon dogs, and so on. History tells us that it wasn't out of the ordinary to bait fighting dogs during the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries. You better believe that live cats and other small animals were used with the first cat mills. Some doggers used a variety of brutal methods to develop "meaness" in their fighting stock. Complete and total desensitization and starvation wasn't an anomaly in those days, nor was beating the dogs, or feeding them nothing but live animals for weeks before a fight.
Fortunately, we know more today than we knew back then. Such abhorrent practices have, for the most part, been abandoned in favor of smarter and kinder means of conditioning and discipline. Unfortunately, some hunters still use live bait to help train their game dogs (the other kind of game dogs) and I can tell you for a fact that a handful of uneducated dogfighters continue to use cruel techniques with their dogs. I've known people to have strangers throw bottles and rocks at their dogs as they sit helpless on a short chain. I've known people to roll very young pups within the radius of a tractor tire. I could go on and on, but I won't. I've never witnessed the use of a bait animal in modern dog fighting cultures, but to say it doesn't ever occur nowadays would be a bit naive, considering the vicious things people do to one another, let alone animals.
It's also very naive to think that bait animals are anywhere near as common today as the likes of John Goodwin would have you believe. It's obvious to me that this man is on a sadistic power trip and nothing he says can be taken seriously. The ignorance he has displayed publicly is nothing short of astonishing, and he is primarily responsible for the current training of animal welfare officials all across the country. He is the catalyst for a crisis that will only continue to worsen long after he has left office a wealthy individual.

Dogfighting has become a sport of fools. I suppose Mr. Goodwin can give himself a hearty pat on the back for that. I'm just wondering how many more innocent people are going to have to pay -how many more good dogs are going to have to die- for the legacy of this sadist bureaucrat.

[ghost 1]

how can they say things like that and it not be defamation of character or slander either one,,,,, i'de walk up and kick the bas@rd right in the nuts,,,,, its worth 350 fine to me,,,,, i've paid a bunch but i never took no doukey either

[Rockstar]

"She found a gravesite where a black plastic bag was buried. Inside, remains of a dog that hadn't been there long. The body had not yet started decomposing.

And that could be very helpful to investigators in finding out how the animal died."

It should be interesting, what these investigators conjure up in reference to how the animal died. Anyone want to make a guess? I predict it will be something sufficient to further infuriate the public. Maybe a hanging, or a drowning. Perhaps they'll say the dog was beaten to death. More likely they'll declare that it was killed in a dogfight. Natural causes were already eliminated as soon as the body was discovered, we can be assured.:mad:

[ghost 1]

lol maybe we could polk her in a bags and dig her @ss up after 6 months,,,,lmao ,,,, seems more fitting,,, huh,,

but they make ppl like pat and them look worst that child molesters in the media,,, and can't just be honest about the situation,, and by law that is slander or defamation character,,,,where's idgey when we need her?

on the legal side,,,, how can the make statements like that without proof?