is it TRUE or NOT (ELI)

[who]

i just wanted to see what people thought about the TRUE breeding of ELI....this isnt to get a fight started but to get people's input....simple question....is ELI's Pedigree TRUE or NOT...and reasons why you think that

[Bubba]

I believe that Eli is bred as paperwork claims. I also believe that it doesn't much matter anymore either way, as none of us have Eli in the first couple generations so his influence isnt strong enough to where it would truly matter. Lots of dogs aren't bred the way they are claimed to be bred. What matters is he was a good dog, that produced well enough to still have Eli dogs today.

BB

[AC]

I 2nd that :)

[HCK]

I 3rd thatI 2nd that :)

[LA_Headhunters]

Being from Louisiana, where there is an ass load of Eli blood, I would have to go with the paperwork as well. But we all know that the Oldtimers Hung paperwork with the best of 'em. On a serious note though I tend to believe Mr. Boudreaux as I have talked to him several times.

[who]

So yall dont care how a dog is bred as long as he or she is "GOOD"?

[Bubba]

Its nice to have a good bred dog, but I'd rather have a GOOD dog than just pretty paperwork to show off. The reason we say we don't much care how the dog is bred, because his particular influence in the current dogs is not much, genetic wise.

BB

[who]

so whe you breed a dog that ISNT genestically the same as the offsprinf (as on paper) it doesnt matter?...i would rather have both......paper slingers are just wanting what they cant get on PAPER....

[Bubba]

I agree, I'd like my dog to be bred correctly, but as long as its a damn good dog, I truly don't really care, as long as there is no Kershner blood in it of course LOL

BB

[who]

hahaha BBK.....lol

[who]

i wanna ask one more thing before the POST draws to a close.....WOULD yall (the people with ELI blood) still have these dogs if they weren't (on paper) PURE BOUDBREAUX breeding?......still ELI would produce the dogs he has but they would just be different on paper......WOULD YALL STILL HAVE THEM?.....cause you have to admit that thats why ALOT of people have these dog's (paper)

[JC-Pitbulls]

Thats a good question I'm anxious to see some of tha answers.

[JC-Pitbulls]

So yall dont care how a dog is bred as long as he or she is "GOOD"?
I'd rather have a good dog, than good paper. Paper can't produce.

[who]

do you people that have ELI dogs know why i asked this question...i beleive that the papers arent right ....i just wanted to see what others had to say

[LA_Headhunters]

If you (WHO) believe the papers aren't right then how do you believe Eli was bred??? Even If he wasn't bred as it was stated he still produced the same dogs and they inturn produced the same dogs so this discussion is about what exactly?????

[who]

the discussion hasnt changed...ELI are the papers true or not....i just wanted input to see what other people thought.....I BELEIVE that the papers are wrong....the story is long so im not gonna write it unless people really want to hear it....

[JC-Pitbulls]

I want to see it

[Whiskey Bay]

I agree .I'd like to have a dog bred how it is supposed to be ,BUT the dog makes the dog.Not the papers!!!

[who]

The Ped's show that ELI was of Scrub and CANDY...but what i beleave and WHAT I WAS TOLD BY D.MAYFIELD and another guy....was that ELI was a dog of Lingham's Little Cotton and this bitch from Don's yard ....not sure on the name yet....but ill post the Dam of ELI up soon,.........the deal was DON gave FLoyd this bitch when she had a belly full up pups...FLoyd was to watch this dog AND THE PUPS....well when it came time for the pups to be born FLOYD told DON that all the pups had died...so don went on (thinking the pups died) with his way and soon found out about this little dog FLoyd had named ELI well don question the fact but didnt worry about it cause he had "better" dogs to worry about...ELI was breed into Floyds other stock....which was "supposedly CURS" thats how Bullyson and ELI Jr. came about...as history tells us Bullyson son lost to a mayfield trained dog and the rest was history.......

this isnt to get a fight started it is just stateing what the rumor is about and has been about since the beginning...im not bashing ELI im just saying what i think about the PED...NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM HIM...BUT if ELI wasn't hidden by Floyd and was bred into DON's family (ELI's family) the dogs would be outstanding....the other guy that told me of this...had seen Floyd's stock before ELI adn he had seen the dog's ELI "REALLY" came from and he said RAY CHARLES COULD SEE IT....This ALSO is how the RUMOR of DON trying to take credit for others dogs came about....
ill post peds and pics soon if i can get a hold of them....

[SWAMPER]

True Or Not Hes 1 Of The Best Dogs To Produce Dogs That Are Still Some Of The Best In The World

[nc_pitbulls]

TUDOR'S CH DIBO ROM

THIS SITE IS FOR HISTORICAL ENTERTAINMENT AND DOES NOT CONDONE ACTIVITIES WHICH CONFLICT WITH THE ANIMAL WELFARE ACT OF 1976 OR REVISIONS THEREOF.
Dibo's dam was Ed Ritcheson's Bambi. Bambi, also known as Howard Heinzl's Bambi, was sired by Ritcheson's Spike and she was out of Ritcheson's Spotty. A novice by the name of W.D. Smith acquired Bambi and made the breeding to Wiz Hubbard's Bounce. Smith eventually sold Dibo, as a pup, to a man named Jensen who only wanted a pet for his son. The young boy named his pet Dumbo, but tired of him and wished for a collie, as Lassie was popular at that time. Jensen then contacted Mr. Heinzl in regard to trading Dumbo for a collie pup. Howard Heinzl knew Bounce and Bambi were good individuals, but still had his doubts, as one of Bounce's sisters were questionable, and Bambi was cold. The trade was made and Dumbo went home with Howard
and stayed there, where he would follow Mr. Heinzl around the yard,
staying out of reach of the other chained dogs on the yard for about two years.

Earl Tudor visited Heinzl's yard and took a liking to Dumbo. Mr. Heinzl offered Mr. Tudor any dog on his yard, trying to convince him to purchase a good dog. In spite of everything, Tudor took Dumbo home and changed his name to Dibo. Dibo was stolen shortly after and was sold to a restaurant owner, who named him Runt. Tudor got Dibo back from the gentleman and by the age of four, Dibo had finally turned on and eventually became a three time winner at 44 lbs.. His performance record
is minute in comparison to his ability to produce.

He sired:
Tudor's White Rock 4x
Tudor's Spike 4x, who sired Tudor's Baby and Carver's Miss Spike
Tudor's Jeff 3x, who sired Tenerowicz' Black Tuffy, Fesperman's Bucky,
Tudor's (Mayfield's) Nigger, Orday's Rolando and Deffaback's Shinola
Trahan's Blackie 3x
McCraw's Snowball, who sired Beal's Powhatan and Medlin's Red Lady
Harrell's Topper 5x
Heinzl's Clancy 5x, who sired Heinzl's Gringo, Handy, Little Polly and Patch
Heinzl's Molly, who whelped Heinzl's Debbie
Heinzl's Polly, who whelped Heinzl's Dee Dee, Bowers' Virge, and Langham's Cotton
Ed Crenshaw's Buck 3x, who sired Allen's Cocoa
Edward's Sam
Cannon's Black Shine, who sired Trahan's Connie, Carver's Black Widow,
Carver's Judy, Langham's Nigger Boy, and Harrell's Killarney Kate
Carver's Black Girl, who whelped Carver's Ironhead 4x
Carver's Cracker, who sired Tom's Big Black and Carver's Amber
Carver's Dee, who whelped Carver's Pistol and Carver's Red Girl
Carver's Lasso, who sired Bates Susie
Start's (Haye's) Cry Baby 4x
Boudreaux' Blind Billy, who sired Boudreaux' Candy, Gypsy,
Lena, Peggy, Poco, Red, Scrub and Carver's Blondie
and the list goes on.

ELI

Eli was the product of the breeding efforts of Floyd B. He was heavily bred on Floyds all time favorite dog Blind Billy. When Eli, a 2xw was bred to Mr. B.'s Spook, another Blind Billy bred dog, the outcome was to change the sporting community forever.
Three famous names that come to mind from the Eli / Spook breeding are: Eli Jr., Bullyson, and a bitch named Brendy.
Eli Jr. was a fantastic 2xw himself and sire of one of the greatest dogs of all time, the 7xw Gr.Ch. Art. Art was unfortunately stolen and never recovered. Before Art was stolen the breedings made with him produced a high percentage of quality game dogs and enough to make Art an `ROM` producer. Just to imagine what Art could have produced if he wouldn't have been taken is enough to boggle the mind. Art had a litter brother who was an exceptionally talented dog in his own right, the 3xw Ch. Hurt.
Bullyson was a 2xw, 1xl and another fantastic producer. Bullyson's only loss was to one of his sons, Benny Bob. Benny Bob subsequently lost to Jimmy Boots in a classic match. Bullyson's legend as a producer can be found in many dogs, but his most famous offspring has to be Ch. Honeybunch, the all time leading `ROM` bitch. Honeybunch subsequently produced the 4xw Ch. Jeep. Jeep now ranks as the number one `ROM` dog and literally deserves to be covered in a story alone. Other famous Bullyson offspring are Loposay's Buster `ROM`, and the ever so famous Ch Midnight Cowboy `ROM` and his brother Ch Chivo.
Brendy when bred to her brother Eli Jr., produced P.Carver's Black Shine. Shine subsequently produced the legendary 5xw, 1xl Ch Rascal, Oso Negro, a brother to Rascal, and the world famous P.Carver's Stompanato. Rascal when bred to Honeybunch produced the 3xw Polly, who in turn was bred to Jeep's father the 6xw, 1xl Ch. Bo `ROM`, thereby producing the great 7xw Gr.Ch. Outlaw. Another famous Eli bred dog was the 4xw Ch. Nigerino. Nigerino represents some of the purest Eli Jr. blood to be found today and is a highly respected bloodline in its own right.
The thing that makes the Eli dogs so popular is that they are powerful built dogs with devastating mouth who consistantly throw these traits into their offspring.
One of the best crosses to be made with the Eli line was with the `ROM` Snooty dog. Snooty was an extremely intelligent dog who added the highly desirable traits of pit intelligence and style. Eli dogs tended to be barnstorming dogs and this would lead to short-windedness. The Snooty cross corrected this problem without sacrificing the highly desirable Eli traits. Probably the best known dog from this cross was the 4xw Ch. Chinaman `ROM`. Chinaman had it all and has subsequently produced a superior line of dogs. The Chinaman dogs consistantly throw intelligent, powerful game dogs with a lot of mouth, literally a complete package. These dogs are true fast lane quality and continue to make an ongoing impact in today's sporting era. It would be impossible to list all the quality dogs that came directly or indirectly from Eli Jr., Bullyson, or Brendy, because their impact on the sport continues on today. There are literally hundreds of famous dogs who owe their success to the Eli line and its originator Floyd B. and it would take an archive of novels to list the accomplishments of them all.
This article much like the one about Red Boy only serves to scratch the surface of this famous breed. by Mr. Jeep
Note: Another line that has benefited extensively from the Eli line was the one created by Ronald Boyles. The Boyles line of dogs started from a Patrick bred bitch named Boyle's Dirty Mary `ROM` crossed with some very rough Eli blood through Holland's Gr. Ch. Cherokee Chief `ROM`, who was off of Everett's Buck and Goodman's Mizu. Buck died in a kennel accident on Irish Jerry's yard with his Gr. Ch. Weehunt dog. Both dogs were lost. The Boyles line has since taken off in a big way, and are very well respected.
BOUDREAUX' "ELI"

Not My Words ,but i know it's true!!!

[who]

okay i got the PED from what DON says is ELI's true breeding.....

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=135186

This is how it is told to me.....now you can see where ELI got his Producing ability.....here is ELI's Ped so you can compare.....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=34

this is ELI's "HALFBRITHER" off Little Cotton the ONLY dog to servive TUDOR's Spike

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=206

maybe this can shed a little light?

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

"who" , if d.m. told u that he was going to be the next mvp of the super bowl, you would believe him, right?

[nc_pitbulls]

i looked and haven't seen dm's name on eli's ped! what i posted is the truth and you know it!

[who]

im not trying to start a fight......i just posted the ped of what DON says is ELI's true breeding.........im getting pics soon of ELI parents from floyds yard and the pics of where ELI "REALLY" came from...and ill let yall be the judge.....

YES,.....ill beleive damn near ANYTHING don says...cause he is a veteran and he knows his stuff.....i have no reason to doubt him.....and no one else does either......im just posting this for the of " TRUTH SEEKING"...the only way we will ever know the truth is DNA...or if you talk to FLOYD and see what he says...SO IF ANY ONE TALKS TO FLOYD.....ASK HIM....JUST TO CLEAR UP SOME STUFF....

[Bubba]

*****BREAKING NEWS*****

I just got off the phone with DM and he told me that he is single handedly responsible for the success of the Redboy/Jocko dogs and for the success of the Bolio dogs, therefore it MUST be true!!! He said Redboy is really a great grandson of the Nigger dog and that Bolio is really off Sunshine, therefore it MUST be true!!!

Notice the sarcasm in that please LOL

BB

[MTNDOG]

Man you should try to come up with your own thoughts and stop riding DM's coattails. Most people on this board have heard all this nonsense before so you arnt showiing us anything we havent seen. Most of us already have our thought on this and dont need D.M. knowledge to sway either way.

[who]

well im just stating what was told to me....and untill FLOYD himself tells me different and gives me facts i will doubt it till the end of time.....yall can say whatever about me being stuck up D.M. A**....cause i prolly am and i dont care.......im learning from one of the best that ever played the game......and thats all i have to say....ill post the PICs later....

[Crash97]

At this stage of the game, this is all academic. Whatever went into Eli, it sure put some nice dogs on the ground. And no matter what no one will probably ever know the truth of this matter, along with many other mysteries of the gamedog world. And if there's one thing you can count on from the gamedog world is to find a lot of bullshit and controversy. Just my .02 cents worth.

[who]

i agree with you on the MYTH's of where these dogs really came from im not doubt ELI's produceing...ive said this before on this thread....he was a great dog and producer....I AM NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY from him......but yall believe that this isnt imprtant than thats where WE differ...cause i think its important....im young and im still learning EVERY day about this breed of GAMEdogs....im not totally stuck on mayfield dogs but YES that's what im gonna get i have other lines that i like JEEP...even though he is off the ELI branch....and YELLOW.....im just a FAN of these NIGGER and Alligator dogs.....but i guess this thread is at an end and let me say...i ve had fun...lol

i just hope i opened others eyes to the idea of DONT TRUST the ped's talk to people that were there in that time..FIND YOUR TRUTH...thats all im trying to make a point of....

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

do yall love each other?

.....yall can say whatever about me being stuck up D.M. A**....cause i prolly am and i dont care.......

[nc_pitbulls]

who: i agree with you on the MYTH's of where these dogs really came from im not doubt ELI's produceing...ive said this before on this thread....he was a great dog and producer....I AM NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY from him......

me: then why you start this thread is it TRUE or NOT (ELI)

who: but yall believe that this isnt imprtant than thats where WE differ...cause i think its important....im young and im still learning EVERY day about this breed of GAMEdogs

me: we're all learning even don! , but don't come up here bumrushing things with dons words i'd careless if don himself was on this forum....

who: im not totally stuck on mayfield's dogs

me: i see you're stuck somewhere else

who: i just hope i opened others eyes to the idea of DONT TRUST the ped's talk to people that were there in that time..

me: i'd doubt you were there when whoever had eli as a pup.....and you're the one posting peds.........

who:FIND YOUR TRUTH...thats all im trying to make a point of......

me: i know the truth , you just know what don tells you! If don tells you he produced bullyson , art , and eli jr. you'd believe that too!!!!

[who]

like i said this dicussion about ELI is at an end cause now comes the bashing....

[LA_Headhunters]

I'm not gonna do any bashing. I just have 1 question/ Point. Who You said you wopuld believe just about anything that Don says because he is a veteran right??? So in saying this it sounds as though you would believe anything that any veteran says. This is how it comes across. In syaing this what makes Don any more of a Veteran than Floyd?? and Are you saying that Floyd is not a veteran?? Just asking

[who]

i said if Floyds tells me the truth i would beleive him....one day ill prolly talk the sh** with Floyd but untill then i sticking to what i am told....i really like this site and it allows everyone to put in their input...lol...even if a person's veiw is twisted and misconskrewed....but anyways......ill continue to push the boundries of the gamedog world with questions and halftruths.....but this CONSTRUCTIVE critism i get just makes me laugh and want to push MORE buttons....lol...look for more of my posts.....lol

[nc_pitbulls]

look for more of your post from things that don tells you!

[Bubba]

i said if Floyds tells me the truth i would beleive him....one day ill prolly talk the sh** with Floyd but untill then i sticking to what i am told....i really like this site and it allows everyone to put in their input...lol...even if a person's veiw is twisted and misconskrewed....but anyways......ill continue to push the boundries of the gamedog world with questions and halftruths.....but this CONSTRUCTIVE critism i get just makes me laugh and want to push MORE buttons....lol...look for more of my posts.....lol
LOL twisted and misconskrewed?? That sums up all of your posts LOL.
You say you'll believe Floyd if he tells you otherwise, yet you believe DM as well, it don't work like that. I still can't get over how you are so high up on a line of dogs, that you don't even own a single one, and I'm sure you've never seen a single won work where it counts...
BB

[who]

here we go again....i dont own one....YES ive seen them...and i have 2 tapes with them on the tapes....this family is totally underestimated.....yall never seen one yall never seen one on a hunt so who are yall to judge?......just keep thinking yalls dogs are the BEST IN THE WORLD and lets see where thats gets yall....dont knock it till you tried it....if yall wanna put up then put up...if not....shut up!.....

[JC-Pitbulls]

here we go again....i dont own one....YES ive seen them...and i have 2 tapes with them on the tapes....this family is totally underestimated.....yall never seen one yall never seen one on a hunt so who are yall to judge?......just keep thinking yalls dogs are the BEST IN THE WORLD and lets see where thats gets yall....dont knock it till you tried it....if yall wanna put up then put up...if not....shut up!.....You don't have one to put up. You say don't knock it until you try it, truth is you have not tried it , but you are putting them(DM's , Rk's dogs) on top of the APBT world. Wait until you get one , then maybe people will respect your thoughts more.

[who]

im not trying to convert ANYONE im just saying these dogs are UNDERESTIMATED.....what i meant by that is thier are PLENTY of nigger dogs looking for a hunt just look around and you'll find one...lol....no i dont have one...but i will...lol...i know yall are gonna laugh but when i do get my nigger yard going .....YOU BETTER LOOK OUT....LMAO...

[nc_pitbulls]

here we go again....i dont own one....YES ive seen them...and i have 2 tapes with them on the tapes....this family is totally underestimated.....yall never seen one yall never seen one on a hunt so who are yall to judge?......just keep thinking yalls dogs are the BEST IN THE WORLD and lets see where thats gets yall....dont knock it till you tried it....if yall wanna put up then put up...if not....shut up!..... we think our dogs are the best in the world? get real you're the one telling people that mayfield dogs are the purest and purer than the crosses you have , we don't think we have the best dogs , you think mayfield has the best dogs! i haven't heard anything at all about his dogs so either he's not into the public or his dog are not all that good as you say! and don't knock it till you try it? you haven't even tried it so how can you say they are the best just because you seen them on tape doesn't mean a pile of beans. anybody can match their dog into a cur and make it seem like it's the best in the game! if yall wanna put up then put up...if not....shut up! lol you wouldn't last 30 minutes in the box let alone even get a decent scratch! and if you really want to.............forget it it's a waste of time and i don't wanna get banned for something stupid!