For the love of the breed!!!

[SLICK WILLIE]

Looking through history we have captured dogmen and their dogs in the square on a Sunday after noon in pictures. Spectators wearing suits and ladies dressed to kill in Sunday’s finest attire. A sport and community event that was not frowned upon but this would soon change and the voice of Free Americans would grow silent about a Sport so many dearly loved because of legislation.



I ask the question! When did the game take a downward spiral and lose its glamour? My mentor replied with this... When uneducated people were allowed to posses this fine breed. They brought in drugs to fund matches, guns and other activities caused the Sport to diminish to what the media and 90% of the world sees today.



History say's dogs were not pitted to the death as some like to think today. In fact many matches went hours without even breaking the skin on either dog! Sorry owners that call themselves dogmen are the straw that broke the camels back. Allowing a dog to be killed in the Pit is inhumane to the fullest extent!

Many kids and uneducated people get dogs and think because it's a Pit Bull it's going to win money for them! Not fact, and then the poor dog suffer for the owner being stupid. Some so called doggers look for younger people and provoke a back yard roll or Back yard match by talking shit! That is just as immature as a five year old saying your momma wears combat boots.



I'm telling you younger's on this site that if you can't take smack talk from anyone then don't play with this breed! This is where the media gets their information after your next door neighbor calls the AC and Law. Now! you have made my shit list because you can't control yourself under pressure.

This being the case, how would you react in a real match with a Pro back in the day? This is where the gun would come into play I guess because you lost and feel you were cheated when in truth you are just stupid and so uneducated that your brain housing group won't allow you to rationalize the facts in front of you.

This is where we are today with this breed and the type of individuals that have been given the opportunity to own this breed. Blame? We should all blame ourselves for what is going on right now and do our best to educate and keep the stupid people out of the breed that we call the American Pit Bull Terrier.



Sometimes it really hurts me to think that we are losing our rights to own this animal. We can only press on and hope that we educate enough people to reverse some of the stereotype aimed at this breed and many other breeds that are threatened by BSL, Peta, HUSS and all the undercover agencies saying this breed is a menace to society. For the Love of the breed my brothers and sisters, Slick

[Regina1234]

Looking through history we have captured dogmen and their dogs in the square on a Sunday after noon in pictures. Spectators wearing suits and ladies dressed to kill in Sunday’s finest attire. A sport and community event that was not frowned upon but this would soon change and the voice of Free Americans would grow silent about a Sport so many dearly loved because of legislation.



I ask the question! When did the game take a downward spiral and lose its glamour? My mentor replied with this... When uneducated people were allowed to posses this fine breed. They brought in drugs to fund matches, guns and other activities caused the Sport to diminish to what the media and 90% of the world sees today.



History say's dogs were not pitted to the death as some like to think today. In fact many matches went hours without even breaking the skin on either dog! Sorry owners that call themselves dogmen are the straw that broke the camels back. Allowing a dog to be killed in the Pit is inhumane to the fullest extent!

Many kids and uneducated people get dogs and think because it's a Pit Bull it's going to win money for them! Not fact, and then the poor dog suffer for the owner being stupid. Some so called doggers look for younger people and provoke a back yard roll or Back yard match by talking shit! That is just as immature as a five year old saying your momma wears combat boots.



I'm telling you younger's on this site that if you can't take smack talk from anyone then don't play with this breed! This is where the media gets their information after your next door neighbor calls the AC and Law. Now! you have made my shit list because you can't control yourself under pressure.

This being the case, how would you react in a real match with a Pro back in the day? This is where the gun would come into play I guess because you lost and feel you were cheated when in truth you are just stupid and so uneducated that your brain housing group won't allow you to rationalize the facts in front of you.

This is where we are today with this breed and the type of individuals that have been given the opportunity to own this breed. Blame? We should all blame ourselves for what is going on right now and do our best to educate and keep the stupid people out of the breed that we call the American Pit Bull Terrier.



Sometimes it really hurts me to think that we are losing our rights to own this animal. We can only press on and hope that we educate enough people to reverse some of the stereotype aimed at this breed and many other breeds that are threatened by BSL, Peta, HUSS and all the undercover agencies saying this breed is a menace to society. For the Love of the breed my brothers and sisters, Slick



I have a question about this, which I hope will not offend - here goes. You said that letting a dog be killed in the pit is inhumane, and seem to be saying that this is a recent development. I've read old stories and match reports, and lots of dogs seemed to get killed in the pit 'back in the day'. An example I'll use is Tornado - according to the stories about her, she killed something like 8 opponents? Same with Black Jack - 9 in a row according to the stories. I just wanted to ask about this. Thanks.

[SLICK WILLIE]

I am referring to Dogs that quit or are losing the match and the owner allows the dog to be killed in the Pit instead of picking the dog up and doing the right thing! I know many dogs have lost lives in the pit but not due to a sorry ass owner wanting to punish the dog for losing his money. It was the owners fault the dog lost in the first place more than likely!!! I know the Kind...

I have a question about this, which I hope will not offend - here goes. You said that letting a dog be killed in the pit is inhumane, and seem to be saying that this is a recent development. I've read old stories and match reports, and lots of dogs seemed to get killed in the pit 'back in the day'. An example I'll use is Tornado - according to the stories about her, she killed something like 8 opponents? Same with Black Jack - 9 in a row according to the stories. I just wanted to ask about this. Thanks.

[SPFDOGS]

Very good post..

When did this game take a downward spiral and lose its glamour?.. "When uneducated people were allowed to possess this fine breed.They brought in drugs to fund matches,guns and other activities caused the sport to diminish to what the media and 90% of the world see today."..

This is the absolute truth,and its a damn shame..

[heyyosteve]

Bravo Bravo Slick nice post.

[Regina1234]

I am referring to Dogs that quit or are losing the match and the owner allows the dog to be killed in the Pit instead of picking the dog up and doing the right thing! I know many dogs have lost lives in the pit but not due to a sorry ass owner wanting to punish the dog for losing his money. It was the owners fault the dog lost in the first place more than likely!!! I know the Kind...OK thanks.....

[monsta409]

nice post slick... i know what you mean by the shit talking trying get a backyard fight,that use to happin alot around my town.when i was younger in my teens yrs some would try to get me in a backyard fight talkin shit about me and my dog he tried and tried so hard to get me to fight him, but never did then once i turned my back to walk away he let his dog go and so i had no choice but to let mines go too they went at it for awhile but, let me remind yall i was walkin my dog around a park when this happend and bruiser got him by his dog-hood did alil shake and homeboy ran up on the dogs trying to get his dog away frm mines,so i called bruiser to come to me and we went on about our walk never seen that dude again....hope i aint go againts the rules by posting this lil story about a lil skuffle...

[CooljoeGoodie]

Nice post Slick..no disrespect but IMO,it's a two sided thing.These dogs should have never been sold in the first place and especially to some one that haven't don't the ..lets say (yard work).

[SLICK WILLIE]

I agree with you about that but some people will have other people buy dogs for them and you never know who gets them after that. They are some shady people out there that can't go to yards and get dogs from good breeders so they hide the fact and back door the breeder. Some times you can sale or give to close friends and next thing you know someone else has your dogs! That's the other side and fact that even close relations can even bring heat in on you and you don't see it coming. Thanks, Slick

Nice post Slick..no disrespect but IMO,it's a two sided thing.These dogs should have never been sold in the first place and especially to some one that haven't don't the ..lets say (yard work).

[CRG]

I ask the question! When did the game take a downward spiral and lose its glamour? My mentor replied with this... When uneducated people were allowed to posses this fine breed. They brought in drugs to fund matches, guns and other activities caused the Sport to diminish to what the media and 90% of the world sees today.






AGREE 100% and when the big money shows started happenning.Started to be more about money then dogs.

[screamin'eagle]

I ask the question! When did the game take a downward spiral and lose its glamour? My mentor replied with this... When uneducated people were allowed to posses this fine breed.
This is one slice of the bad rep pie, but I'd like to add that the downward spiral of this breed came when America's core societal values changed. I assume that your mentor was referring to the Animal Welfare Act of 1976 foward when he referred to the uneducated possessing this breed. From my studies the WWI Americans, the ones that came through the Great Depression, and the WWII Americans wanted, needed and supported a national mascot such as the American Pit bull Terrier. Those were times that called for an icon that epitomized courageousness, bravery, steadfastness, power, etc. That is our dog. It was evident in advertisements, postcards, etc. Later generations were doscintent with what they were handed by their harderworking ancestors, and those above characteristics were less wanted. The dog stayed the same, but our society changed. This makes up for the rest of what led to the public downfall of a former American Icon!

Great posts as of late Slick...you are really helping us to think through some contemporary issues with this breed by looking at the past!

[yellaman420]

Definitely agree w/ your points on this post, Slick. Most of the PR problems began w/ the influx of drugs & guns. No one cared about some good ole boys bangin dogs until the thugs down the block started w/ em. Undisciplined people X undiscplined dogs = decent folks punished or suffering needlessly. But lets look at ourselves on this one. Yeah, Ive been rooked about a dog goin to one home and a month later sayin 'you know what, your dog looks like one I sold to Melissa.' Then find out the dog was sold to an 'unsavory type' when he got too strong. Its a sorry situation, but the thing we could all do is not to let the stuff happen to begin w/. Only sell to dog folks. Give a pup to a dog person w/ space instead of a jack ass w/ a couple hundred. Better yet, dont breed at all until youve hit CH status in your event. How bout that to stem the flow of unwanted dogs? That is how they do in Germany, if Im not mistaken. Youre not allowed to breed/reg a GSD unless its championed in SCH. Someone correct me if Im wrong. But game bred or not, these jack asses are getting dogs from somewhere. Why not put two or three less pups/litters out there takin time to prove your dogs instead of building pretty pedigrees.

[Bullyson]

Hmmm. This point sounds familiar....I agree Slick! ;) They have good dogs in the hood that they're breeding. I'm not sure how their testing process goes but they have good dogs. I've seen some fire come out of the worst neighborhoods. They have built their own stock and the almighty $$$ says they always will.

[misterdogman]

Hmmm. This point sounds familiar....I agree Slick! ;) They have good dogs in the hood that they're breeding. I'm not sure how their testing process goes but they have good dogs. I've seen some fire come out of the worst neighborhoods. They have built their own stock and the almighty $$$ says they always will. They all do, it seems anymore its just like a circle of previously posted threads, over and over and over that someone has posted before. The only way anything would or could ever change is by educating the younger crowd and being a strict and closed society in the manner of breeding and trading. I know of plenty of people who not only want to do this but are trying in their own dogger circles.... but to try to beg a communtiy to change and make things like they use to be is not only immpossible but pointless because people are stupid... they lie and cheat and steal and it will never work. If it was just about the dogs it might be able too work but it isnt, money is the main drive in 95% of the places these dogs are involved. And we wonder where the root of all evil in our breed and our lives comes from. It is the $.

[Bullyson]

Good post. I guess its going to come down to the real dogmen being outlaws, moving to the sticks and NOT LETTING anyone get their hands on the dogs. This may be 100 years down the road but I dont see any other alternatives.:confused: They all do, it seems anymore its just like a circle of previously posted threads, over and over and over that someone has posted before. The only way anything would or could ever change is by educating the younger crowd and being a strict and closed society in the manner of breeding and trading. I know of plenty of people who not only want to do this but are trying in their own dogger circles.... but to try to beg a communtiy to change and make things like they use to be is not only immpossible but pointless because people are stupid... they lie and cheat and steal and it will never work. If it was just about the dogs it might be able too work but it isnt, money is the main drive in 95% of the places these dogs are involved. And we wonder where the root of all evil in our breed and our lives comes from. It is the $.

[yellaman420]

Good post. I guess its going to come down to the real dogmen being outlaws, moving to the sticks and NOT LETTING anyone get their hands on the dogs. This may be 100 years down the road but I dont see any other alternatives.:confused:Maybe 10-25, but in our lifetime none the less.

[buzhunter]

This is one slice of the bad rep pie, but I'd like to add that the downward spiral of this breed came when America's core societal values changed. I assume that your mentor was referring to the Animal Welfare Act of 1976 foward when he referred to the uneducated possessing this breed. From my studies the WWI Americans, the ones that came through the Great Depression, and the WWII Americans wanted, needed and supported a national mascot such as the American Pit bull Terrier. Those were times that called for an icon that epitomized courageousness, bravery, steadfastness, power, etc. That is our dog. It was evident in advertisements, postcards, etc. Later generations were doscintent with what they were handed by their harderworking ancestors, and those above characteristics were less wanted. The dog stayed the same, but our society changed. This makes up for the rest of what led to the public downfall of a former American Icon!

Great posts as of late Slick...you are really helping us to think through some contemporary issues with this breed by looking at the past!
That may be one of the best posts I have ever read. How does the saying go? "the weak will inherit the earth" ??? (or something like that) Hell, I don't know but it's damn sure looking that way...

[SLICK WILLIE]

See, this is the kind of conversations that need to happen on this Forum and in person to the new comer's! Thanks, for all the reply's and other point's made about this issue. I like the point you made about The dog has not changed just the people and it's surroundings!This is one slice of the bad rep pie, but I'd like to add that the downward spiral of this breed came when America's core societal values changed. I assume that your mentor was referring to the Animal Welfare Act of 1976 foward when he referred to the uneducated possessing this breed. From my studies the WWI Americans, the ones that came through the Great Depression, and the WWII Americans wanted, needed and supported a national mascot such as the American Pit bull Terrier. Those were times that called for an icon that epitomized courageousness, bravery, steadfastness, power, etc. That is our dog. It was evident in advertisements, postcards, etc. Later generations were doscintent with what they were handed by their harderworking ancestors, and those above characteristics were less wanted. The dog stayed the same, but our society changed. This makes up for the rest of what led to the public downfall of a former American Icon!

Great posts as of late Slick...you are really helping us to think through some contemporary issues with this breed by looking at the past!

[SLICK WILLIE]

We are all outlaws Bro! Some time or another we have stood for something and bucked the system! Be it protesting Gun laws or local hunting restrictions in your area! DJ I'll call you "Jessie James" and I'll be "Billy the Kid" and Washington and the media can kiss our Outlaw ass.Good post. I guess its going to come down to the real dogmen being outlaws, moving to the sticks and NOT LETTING anyone get their hands on the dogs. This may be 100 years down the road but I dont see any other alternatives.:confused:

[ayobreezie]

Can I be Robert Ford?


JK.. haha.

[HBK]

Well this all sounds good but it just isn't the truth. From the begening there has been "dog men" who were lier's, cheaters, killers, pimp's, scammer's, dirty cops, and down right mean nasty SOB's. It is also an illusion that they were all gentelmen that all got along and just had this "love" of the dogs. Most of these guys hated each other's guts and lied, cheated, rubbed dogs, hung papers, stole dogs or whatever it took to win. Money and ego had alot to do with it and thats just the truth. I know of a hand full of dog men who were known as honerable but they were not the norm. I used to believe this at first until I actually started reading alot and talking to people who walked with many of these old dogmen. Todays problem is more main stream and probably worse but it is not something new that just popped up. Do a little honest reading. It seems now-a-day there is not a good knowledge of the dogs and that is the big problem. I do agree that the old timers had a knowledge of the dogs and knew what they were doing in that aspect. We should learn from there mistakes and downfalls and take the good and reject the bad things they did. Thats my goal.

[SLICK WILLIE]

Your right! Not all of them were honest but like you said there were a few above the others. I feel that my mentor is one of the above and beyond dog men. I was going to start a new thread on this issue but I'll plug it here. Understanding the man that is guiding me through this ever changing dog world I seen something that made me realize although he is tuff on the culling process and takes no short cuts, He has a soft spot for these animals and gives everyone a fare shake at life. Doing the right thing separates Dog men from just a sorry ass Gambler!

If gambling is all you want to do go to Las Vegas and leave the dogs alone. If you want to cheat and lie get a job in Politic's and work for the government.

You don't have to read books to know who was good or bad in the dogs! All you have to do is ask about a so called dog man and see the reaction your mentor gives you about someone. But you know what? My mentor will not say a cross word about any other man and only comments about his own pro and cons! That's why I love that old Bastard!!! He don't need to bust on someone else to make himself look good! The truth is in his dogs... Slick

Well this all sounds good but it just isn't the truth. From the begening there has been "dog men" who were lier's, cheaters, killers, pimp's, scammer's, dirty cops, and down right mean nasty SOB's. It is also an illusion that they were all gentelmen that all got along and just had this "love" of the dogs. Most of these guys hated each other's guts and lied, cheated, rubbed dogs, hung papers, stole dogs or whatever it took to win. Money and ego had alot to do with it and thats just the truth. I know of a hand full of dog men who were known as honerable but they were not the norm. I used to believe this at first until I actually started reading alot and talking to people who walked with many of these old dogmen. Todays problem is more main stream and probably worse but it is not something new that just popped up. Do a little honest reading. It seems now-a-day there is not a good knowledge of the dogs and that is the big problem. I do agree that the old timers had a knowledge of the dogs and knew what they were doing in that aspect. We should learn from there mistakes and downfalls and take the good and reject the bad things they did. Thats my goal.

[yellaman420]

You don't have to read books to know who was good or bad in the dogs! All you have to do is ask about a so called dog man and see the reaction your mentor gives you about someone. But you know what? My mentor will not say a cross word about any other man and only comments about his own pro and cons! That's why I love that old Bastard!!! He don't need to bust on someone else to make himself look good! The truth is in his dogs... Slick
Thats the real truth of it right there. Proof is in the puddin'! Someone said on another thread about how it wouldve been a shame to cull a dog from poor performance only to later find out that the dog had been rubbed/doped/poisoned etc. But the cheats have alway been there, thats true. Listen to what mtn man was sayin in one of the stories he was relatin about startin out. And he has a couple of days under his belt!

[performancedogs]

Looking through history we have captured dogmen and their dogs in the square on a Sunday after noon in pictures. Spectators wearing suits and ladies dressed to kill in Sunday’s finest attire. A sport and community event that was not frowned upon but this would soon change and the voice of Free Americans would grow silent about a Sport so many dearly loved because of legislation.



I ask the question! When did the game take a downward spiral and lose its glamour? My mentor replied with this... When uneducated people were allowed to posses this fine breed. They brought in drugs to fund matches, guns and other activities caused the Sport to diminish to what the media and 90% of the world sees today.



History say's dogs were not pitted to the death as some like to think today. In fact many matches went hours without even breaking the skin on either dog! Sorry owners that call themselves dogmen are the straw that broke the camels back. Allowing a dog to be killed in the Pit is inhumane to the fullest extent!

Many kids and uneducated people get dogs and think because it's a Pit Bull it's going to win money for them! Not fact, and then the poor dog suffer for the owner being stupid. Some so called doggers look for younger people and provoke a back yard roll or Back yard match by talking shit! That is just as immature as a five year old saying your momma wears combat boots.



I'm telling you younger's on this site that if you can't take smack talk from anyone then don't play with this breed! This is where the media gets their information after your next door neighbor calls the AC and Law. Now! you have made my shit list because you can't control yourself under pressure.

This being the case, how would you react in a real match with a Pro back in the day? This is where the gun would come into play I guess because you lost and feel you were cheated when in truth you are just stupid and so uneducated that your brain housing group won't allow you to rationalize the facts in front of you.

This is where we are today with this breed and the type of individuals that have been given the opportunity to own this breed. Blame? We should all blame ourselves for what is going on right now and do our best to educate and keep the stupid people out of the breed that we call the American Pit Bull Terrier.



Sometimes it really hurts me to think that we are losing our rights to own this animal. We can only press on and hope that we educate enough people to reverse some of the stereotype aimed at this breed and many other breeds that are threatened by BSL, Peta, HUSS and all the undercover agencies saying this breed is a menace to society. For the Love of the breed my brothers and sisters, Slick




Great post!!

[HBK]

Your right! Not all of them were honest but like you said there were a few above the others. I feel that my mentor is one of the above and beyond dog men. I was going to start a new thread on this issue but I'll plug it here. Understanding the man that is guiding me through this ever changing dog world I seen something that made me realize although he is tuff on the culling process and takes no short cuts, He has a soft spot for these animals and gives everyone a fare shake at life. Doing the right thing separates Dog men from just a sorry ass Gambler!

If gambling is all you want to do go to Las Vegas and leave the dogs alone. If you want to cheat and lie get a job in Politic's and work for the government.

You don't have to read books to know who was good or bad in the dogs! All you have to do is ask about a so called dog man and see the reaction your mentor gives you about someone. But you know what? My mentor will not say a cross word about any other man and only comments about his own pro and cons! That's why I love that old Bastard!!! He don't need to bust on someone else to make himself look good! The truth is in his dogs... Slick
Sounds like you know one of the good ones and that is a rare jewel to be treasured. They are mostly a dieing fraternity but yes there seems to still be a few modern day honest dog folk out there. When you find one, become their friend, learn as much as you can and stay true to the dogs!!!