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Marty
12-17-2007, 08:23 PM
Diamond Naturals Extreme Athlete
http://www.diamondpet.com/products/diamond_naturals/dogs/dry_food/extreme_athlete/
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein 32.0% Minimum
Crude Fat 25.0% Minimum
Crude Fiber 4.0% Maximum
Moisture 10.0% Maximum
Sodium 0.3% Maximum
Zinc 150 mg/kg Minimum
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg Minimum
Vitamin E 150 IU/kg Minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids * 3.5% Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids * 0.5% Minimum
Glucosamine Hydrochloride * 300 mg/kg Minimum
Chondroitin Sulfate * 100 mg/kg Minimum
* Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profile.
Calorie Content: 4,710 kcal/kg (470 kcal/cup) Calculated Metabolizable Energy.
AAFCO Statement
Diamond Naturals Extreme Athlete Chicken & Rice Formula for Dogs is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) Dog Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages.
Ingredients
Chicken meal, chicken, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product, cracked pearled barley, powdered cellulose, beet pulp, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, choline chloride, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
simms
12-17-2007, 08:43 PM
Are you feeding this now? If so do you like it?
Marty
12-17-2007, 08:46 PM
Don't know yet just got a bag of it today ;)
I got to put some fat on 3 of these dogs.
I'm also adding cottage cheese along with it ;)
simms
12-17-2007, 08:50 PM
Don't know yet just got a bag of it today ;)
I got to put some fat on 3 of these dogs.
I'm also adding cottage cheese along with it ;) Cottage cheese is good.... Make sure to keep us updated on thier progress! :)
Marty
12-17-2007, 08:56 PM
I will but you know it will take some time ;)
jaystreetsA4
12-17-2007, 09:09 PM
it looks good ingredient wise!
Marty
12-17-2007, 09:15 PM
Thanks Jay :)
sapitbulls
12-18-2007, 12:34 AM
Never heard of it but i have been using daimond naturals products for almost too years. You can not find a better dog food for the price. I go Threw about 100 pounds a month of dog food and at 20 dollars for 40 pounds a tsc and 25 at local farmer's markets you cant beat it. I use lamb meal and rice formula right now keeps my dogs nice and lean. I am intrested in this new formula though if i can find it local i will pick it up for when i have pups our nursing dogs. I am also looking into there higher up line to the wild our something that product looks promising too.
Rocky H. Balboa
12-18-2007, 11:28 AM
Is this your supplemental or base feed? If this is your supplement only, how much is it? If you already feed a balance kibble but need something extra to fatten them up, buy and feed chicken quarters. Around my way it cost 59¢ per pound. So, 10 pounds would be less than 6 bucks.
Personally, I am feeding Kirkland and supplementing with raw chicken, beef heart, beef kidney, and beef liver. I supplement mostly with chicken (70%) then heart (20%).
Chicken meal, chicken, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product.....
This is more than 50% of the kibble with Brewers rice being the main starch that hold everything together. I think your dogs would enjoy some raw chicken parts instead of the dried up version. JMHO.:cool:
Marty
12-18-2007, 05:50 PM
Thanks for the advise RH, I'll check it into it and yes this is just a supplemental feed to try and add weight to 3 dogs along with cottage cheese ;)
It's right at $30.00 a bag here at TS ;)
yellaman420
12-19-2007, 05:50 AM
What do you use as a base feed Marty? Has anyone tried their puppy food? Ive been thinking about switching my feed but wanna hear a few reviews/ opinions 1st.
sapitbulls
12-22-2007, 05:34 PM
I have used there small breed puppy before. It works good for the first couple months after the dog is 6-8wks. It has 32 percent protien in there puppy foods. Plus the small breed puppy has real small kibble works good till you can move them up to bigger chunk food. Anything of daimond naturals is pretty good just dont get reg diamond.
Marty
12-22-2007, 05:53 PM
What do you use as a base feed Marty? Nutro ultra and I'm getting the same results I did with Canidae losing muscle mass :mad:
Canidae just ran right through my dogs.
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First of all, keep in mind that there is no one food that is best for every dog. There is no single food that will give every dog the brightest eyes, the shiniest coat, the most energy, and the best digestion. Dogs are individuals just like people, which means that you could feed a brand of very well-formulated food to a group of dogs and find that most of them do great on it, some not as well, and it may actually cause some gastrointestinal upset in a few dogs. Luckily, there are many well-formulated dog foods to choose from today, and it is fine to try several to determine which one works best for your dog.
Consider your dog's stage of life
http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20020815134724/www.peteducation.com/images/articles/8582beagle_pup_eating.jpgMake sure that the food you choose is appropriate for your dog's stage of life. A puppy eating an adult food will not get the higher amounts of calories, protein, vitamins, and minerals he needs for proper growth. An adult dog eating puppy food is likely to become overweight. An older dog may need a senior food that is more easily digested. When it comes to nutrition, one size does not fit all.
Select a food type
People often wonder if they should feed dry food, semi-moist or canned. The answer is that it depends on the individual animal, although dry food is recommended most often. To find out how the different types of food are made, see "How Pet Foods Are Manufactured (http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1661&articleid=2653)."
Look at the ingredients
High-quality ingredients are essential for a healthy food. Some economy brands of dog food are made from inexpensive ingredients that are not easily digested, and therefore, do not provide the best nutrition. While they may technically meet the legal specifications for percentages of protein, fat, carbohydrates, etc., these foods have lower energy values and lower-grade proteins. Because of this, many health-building nutrients may pass right through your dog's system without being absorbed. It also means that you have to feed larger amounts of that lower quality food to provide your pet with the same nutrition as a smaller amount of premium food. When you compare the cost of these foods on a per-serving basis, and realize how quickly you go through a bag, economy foods may actually cost more in the long run.
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The next thing to look at is the Guaranteed Analysis on the back of the bag. It is a chart that lists the percentages of various ingredients contained in that food. However, the numbers given in the Guaranteed Analysis do not take into account the amount of moisture in that food. All pet foods have different levels of moisture; canned foods can have up to 80%, and dry foods can have as little as 6%. To determine the actual amount of an ingredient in a food, or to compare between brands or between wet and dry foods, the numbers need to be converted to what is called Dry Matter (DM) basis. For more information, or to see the formula used to convert to Dry Matter, see the article "Dog Food Labels (http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1661&articleid=668)."
Check for the AAFCO statement
To evaluate a particular dog food, compare the DM ingredient amounts to a nutrition chart such as the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) Dog Food Nutrient Profiles (http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1661&articleid=662). Dog foods labeled as 'complete and balanced' must meet standards established by AAFCO, either by meeting a nutrient profile or by passing a feeding trial. For more information on AAFCO, see "Government Regulation of Pet Food (http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1661&articleid=2645)."
Take your time in switching foods
http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20020815134940/www.peteducation.com/images/articles/8777lab_eating_sm.jpgWhen you have done some comparison and picked out a well-formulated food, make sure you allow ample time for your dog to make the transition from his current food to the new one. Normal bacteria in the intestine help your dog digest food. A sudden change in food can lead to changes in the number and type of these bacteria, making it harder for food to be digested, and resulting in intestinal upset. To avoid problems, switch to a new food slowly, over the course of at least 7-10 days. Start by mixing 25% new and 75% old food, and feed that for at least 3 days. If all goes well, go to 50% of each type of food for 3 days, then 75% new and 25% old for 3 days. By now, your pet should be ready to eat only the new food. If problems occur, consult your veterinarian for advice.
After you have done all you can to make sure a food is nutritionally sound, take a look at your dog after he has been on the new food for at least a month. Bright eyes, a shiny coat, good body condition (http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1660&articleid=661) (not too thin or overweight), and good energy will let you know you are doing a good job with your pet's nutrition.
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Mott's APBT's
02-11-2008, 01:29 AM
This food has been a blessing to me.I had a few dogs that i just couldnt keep weight on .With this midwest winter that can be a big problem. I put the few dogs on it that needed a little more attention.Theyve packed weight on so quick.and you really only feed about half as normal high performance food.Ive switched all of my dogs too this now. its $27.99 here in central ohio.Not bad compared to Canidae and Timberwolf which i cant find anywhere its a steal!
jadedpitgirl
02-11-2008, 10:14 AM
I LOVE my Diamond Naturals. I switched over a year ago and have had ZERO skin, coat, or health issues since. Some of the dogs took a little longer to switch over than the others, but once it happened it was great. I have used the Extreme, but I feel it may be too much fat for a house-pet. It will cause pretty quick weight-gain, but there's no need for it if your dog isn't working. That's just my personal opinion.
With that being said, I have talked to a breeder of UKC type dogs from PA who switched about a year ago. She has had three breedings this year and all had low numbers of live pups/high numbers of dead pups. Two were females who had never been bred, but one was a bitch who had been bred twice before and always whelped large litters. She did some research and was told that the DN could be the cause of the litter problems. Other breeders have claimed similair problems while on this feed. I lost two entire litters of pups while on this feed as well, but it could be totally unrelated to the food. One litter seemed to pass from fading puppy syndrome (no signs of sickenss at all), the other appeared to be/was treated for mastitis. I won't be doing any breedings for a long time, so I won't know for sure if the feed has anything to do with this or not. I know of plenty other breeders who use this feed and have had completly healthy litters with no complications at all.
Just for an fun, here's a pic of a dog who has been fed DN since he was 5 months old. He's pictured here at 16 months.
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smokey024
02-11-2008, 10:43 AM
Nutro ultra and I'm getting the same results I did with Canidae losing muscle mass :mad:
Have you tried Timberwolf? Its a little pricey, but I have liked the results on my dogs.
screamin'eagle
02-11-2008, 10:50 AM
Have you tried Timberwolf? Its a little pricey, but I have liked the results on my dogs.there have been alot of "interesting" changes fairly recently that have negatively effected the quality of Timberwolf's feed. I think that's what this thread is about, and the articles explaining the changes are on this board. Here are the links...
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26603&highlight=timberwolf
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26094&highlight=timberwolf
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25561&highlight=timberwolf
Marty
02-11-2008, 06:16 PM
Have you tried Timberwolf? Its a little pricey, but I have liked the results on my dogs.Yes I fed it for well over a yr with great results until the change in the feed for the worst and then upped the price $10.00 a bag on me :(
Bullyson
02-12-2008, 10:05 PM
I just started using the diamond naturals lamb and rice. It gave my male loose stool for a few but he's better now. My famale has the most rancid gas Ive ever smelt. She has the walking farts. Anything with rice has always done that to her. I saw the extreme athlete at TSC but I'm not feeding an extreme athlete here at the house. Just some ole house dogs so it works for them. It was odd, I was at the grocery store and I couldnt find one food without some kind of corn in the 1st 3 ingredients.
yellaman420
02-13-2008, 08:58 AM
She has the walking farts. It was odd, I was at the grocery store and I couldnt find one food without some kind of corn in the 1st 3 ingredients.
Since Ive been changin the feed over, the house dog has the same problem. He spends a lotta time outside right now! Lol
That's peta for you, tryin to makem all vegans =)
purplepig
02-13-2008, 10:12 AM
Hey Marty,
the only flag on that to me is the "potassium chloride, choline chloride" Why they put that in there I dont know
On another note. I do feed a high protein, 30%, and 20% fat whose #1 ingredient is chicken, and I mix it with another feed that the #1 ingredient is beef. I dont have to feed as much, and the dogs do great. Many folks say that much protein and fat is bad for a dog, but not here. In winter, I feed 1/2 more the ration than summer and they fatten up nicely.
goat's milk will put weight on a dog pretty quick also.
Marty
02-13-2008, 06:41 PM
Thanks PP I got the problem solved, and quit feeding it... they look good now ;)
pitbullcrazy30
02-19-2008, 12:45 PM
I just started using the diamond naturals lamb and rice. It gave my male loose stool for a few but he's better now. My famale has the most rancid gas Ive ever smelt. She has the walking farts. Anything with rice has always done that to her. I saw the extreme athlete at TSC but I'm not feeding an extreme athlete here at the house. Just some ole house dogs so it works for them. It was odd, I was at the grocery store and I couldnt find one food without some kind of corn in the 1st 3 ingredients. i feed diamond natural as well, but the lamb and rice gives my dogs the worsttttt gas as well. try the chicken , bruno dont seem to be nearly as gassy on it!!!
Virgil dogs
02-20-2008, 07:05 AM
The omega -3 and 6 mostly come's from sunflower seeds.It goes right through dogs they get NOTHING out of it,unless it comes from fish oil. That cost's alot more $.The meat by product can come from any animal.I know a guy who drives a rendering truck and stops at vet offices and pick's up animal's that die,are put down ect...and delivers them to Purina.
I feed a food called Dog Lovers Gold and it is the hands down best food I have ever feed.Its made in Texas and will be avalible nation wide soon.It has human food grade ingredients.No corn,wheat,soy or fillers.
protein-min 25%
fat min 16%
Lamb meal,brown rice,chicken meal,chicken fat,flaxseed,whole dried eggs,chicken liver meal,herring fish oil,brewers yeast,salt,garlic,lecithin,vitamins,chelated minerals,probiotics and digestive enzymes.
www.dogloversgold.com (http://www.dogloversgold.com)
They are looking for dealers so anyone interested give me a holler.
bulldog426
02-21-2008, 11:13 PM
on another thread everybody is saying they would never feed diamond, what the heck?? i'm confused. mine seem to do good on the high energy. haven't tried the extreme athelte.
pitbullcrazy30
02-23-2008, 05:35 PM
not all diamond dog food is created equal. SOME of it is really crappy food, and some like the naturals is pretty darn good..
Marty
02-23-2008, 05:36 PM
How about this feed?
http://www.tasteofthewildpetfood.com/products/dogs/wetlands_canine_formula/
brindle
02-23-2008, 05:53 PM
Taste of the Wild is also made by Diamond, and it has 30% potato in it.
It's not a food I would feed but I know some who have tried it and their dogs do well on it.
I've had excellent results with Canidae, Natures Variety, Innova Regular dog food (not EVO), Merrick, and Timberwolf. I am currently feeding the Timberwolf even tho I am not happy about them changing the ingredients and adding rice to most of their formulas.
And I know a few who feed Dog Lovers Gold and think it is a very good food. I would try it if I could get it here.
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