Why Cross!!!????????

[who]

My question is to the breeders that are crossing with EVERYTHING in sight....why dont you get a PURE bloodline instead of crossing everything you get your hands on?.....i know yall will prolly say somthing like..."get the best of the bloodlines" or somthing to that effect.....YEAH...you may come out with a BAD A** dog but where has the consistency gone....ROCKET LAUNCHED out the window...... whats the use of haveing this "GREAT" dog if you cant reproduce it?...... thats what breeders have strived for the last 150 years ...bred for consistency .....but now adays....the bloodlines have become tarnished in a matter of 15 years....what DOGMEN strived for has been destroyed.........i am just saying this cause one day the GAMEDOG as I know it will disappear is this Crossing SH*T keeps going on

[powder925]

this crossing is going to keep happening as long as there is money to be made by winning,and the only way to stay competive is to breed best to the best.I have to agree with you though that it is a shame that so few people are breeding pure bloodlines. Its a shame that the pure bloodlines probable won't last but breeding best to best is the only way to better the breed as a whole.IMHO I don't think many of the the older pure bloodline dogs could still compete at the top level nowadays.

[superman69]

when u dont out cross and u keep it in the family after a while u start to lose traits like hard mouth endurance u need all these not just gameness u dont have to out cross a lot just enough to say u did but out cross with good stuff

[Texasbulldogs]

There is no such thing as a pure dog! Why don’t you share your wealth of knowledge in keeping a bloodline pure, while at the same time effectively and consistently preserve certain traits, while not succumbing to genetic faults that go along with tight breedings? Please leave out theories and such; just state facts and you overall success with said breeding strategy. I’m really interested in learning something. Since history has shown that most of the best producers are from one of three breeding combinations.<O:p</O:p

[powder925]

When I say "pure" I mean bloodlines like Lonzo, Alligator

[Texasbulldogs]

“When I say "pure" I mean bloodlines like Lonzo, Alligator”
Pure means nothing if the percentage of good dogs is minimal. Alligator himself was a very loose line-bred dog. Zebo was a solid bred. But his dam was another loosely line-bred dog. What do both of these “pure” dogs have in common? Low percentages…especially Zebo he had some solid b!tches back up to him, yet what did he produce...how about his littermates? Why because he was a “freak of nature” and freaks don’t reproduce themselves the fall back to producing what is the average of their bloodline (rank curs).
So as I have pointed out, your "pure" dogs are loosely line-bred or have loosely line-bred relatives. So if they are loosely bred how can they be "PURE" and I was only looking back 1 generation. Not much telling what I would find if I looked back more (too lazy).

[KnOck]

Well put Texasbulldogs!

KnOck

[SSandecki]

Texasbulldogs, good reply and to the point.

[powder925]

well I guess instead of calling them pure lines I should of said tight jeep,eli,redboy ect(sorry still learning)I understand what you mean about no pure bloodlines but what I meant to say is that most breeders have tight jeep,eli redboy lines that they use for outcrossing to other lines for hybrid vigor but once they get a good one that consitatly throws the same good traits to their offspring they will probable start to linebreed it and then outcrossing to other hybrids that are producing,eventually people will stop breeding tight jeep,eli,redboy lines.Maybe I am way off but like I said I am new and still learning.
The reason for all the crossing is to combine the advantages of both lines and hopfully overcomming the disadvantages of each.

[who]

this ia a ped of one of ### Kershners dog

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=45661
thats just one and if you look back he is PURE in every since of the word and OR-not will become a ROM his producing abilities are awesome....these are ###'s words...."My dogs are more PURE BAR ANY MANS YARD.....and to say they arent isnt doing MAYFIELD any justice"......when you breed best to best WITHIN THE FAMILY you will have GAME dogs...just to a % that can hardly be compared to....PURE PURE and to say thier not IS NOT TRUE

[who]

My responsea to the crosses is why do that gene pool becomes SO BIG that you DO NOT HAVE CONSISTENCY....im just tring to say that stick with your family even if it is a cross fmaily breed with other GOOD dogs bred like yours....and as for that guys that said after you family breed for so long you lose traits THAT IS UNTRUE if you do it right you will ALWAYS come out with better dogs just LEARN....D Mayfield has video tapes of him teaching EVERYTHING about gamedogs...i HIGHLY reccomend these tapes for ANYONE wanting to learn THE TRUTH about gamedogs its like going to college...

[who]

here is one that is really PURE

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=32887

[Texasbulldogs]

“thats just one and if you look back he is PURE in every since of the word”
Define “pure”. He is a heavily inbred Nigger dog (loose line-bred dog).<O:p</O:p

“and OR-not will become a ROM his producing abilities are awsome.”
That is just your opinion. I’m not a follower of the blood, but going by what the link you provide is shows he is a very LOW-producing dog. He has been bred to 14 bitches; just for argument sakes lets say each had only 5 pups (70 total offspring (that’s only what is listed)). Yet he only produced a total of 6 wins and 1 OTC. So counting the OTC out of every 10 dogs you get you would be able to muster 1 win. Hurray!<O:p</O:p

“ these are words...."My dogs are more PURE BAR ANY MANS YARD.....and to say they arent isnt doing D.M. any justice"”
What do you expect him too say, “I am consider a joke amongst most in the game. My dogs are severely in-bred, low producing, feed burner”? Also breeding bulldogs is not about “doing justice too D.M.”. It is about producing better dogs!<O:p</O:p

“when you breed best to best WITHIN THE FAMILY you will have GAME dogs”
If it is/was that easy (breeding) why is there still cur within every line? Also why can someone breed two game dogs together and get curs?<O:p</O:p

“just to a % that can hardly be compared to”
Refer to above. I’ve known street bred mutts that produced better than your example.<O:p</O:p

“PURE PURE anbd to say thier not IS NOT TRUE”
Again define PURE?

<O:p</O:p

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[JC-Pitbulls]

My response to the crosses is why do that you gene pool becomes SO BIG that you DO NOT HAVE CONSISTENCY....im just tring to say that stick with your family even if it is a cross fmaily breed with other GOOD dogs bred like yours....and as for that guys that said after you family breed for so long you lose traits THAT IS UNTRUE if you do it right you will ALWAYS come out with better dogs just LEARN....Don Mayfield has video tapes of him teaching EVERYTHING about gamedogs...i HIGHLY reccomend these tapes for ANYONE wanting to learn THE TRUTH about gamedogs its like going to college...
Do you work for D M , seems to be all you can talk about. The APBT in it's purest form came from Bulldogs/Terriers, which would make it unpure. Through selective breeding people were able to maintain the traits that they wanted, and set a standard for the APBT. PURE means 100% The peds you posted are nice, but when you go back further you start to see the loosenes in the ped. I'm not saying your dog's are not good dog's, I'm just saying I have never seen a PURE APBT. I've seen good Linebreed dog's and good Scatterbreed dog's, just as well I've seen bad Line and Scatterbreed dogs.Everyone do your homework,breed for good traits,and keep APBT's alive.

[who]

okay first the theory about the "PITBULL" coming from a cross between the old bulldog and a terrier is STUPID the "PITBULL" is the old bulldog...(i believe) when bullbaiting became illegal they starting pitting thier dogs HENCE "PITBULL" thats where the PITBULL and the AMERICAN BULLDOG differ one was bred as a "CATCH DOG" and protector.....the "PITBULL" (when bullbaiting became illegal) was bred for its aggression towards other dogs the gameness has been there all this time....(once again i BELEIVE)

AND NOW for my post towards the people saying these dogs are loosley family bred.....these dogs a PURE what i meant by PURE is that they come from the SAME FAMILY and have been KEPT in this family since DIBO....just look and you can see......these dogs ARE the PUREST FAMILYs .....YES you may say im a mayfield follower...but im not against other FAMILIES im against the constant CROSSING that is going on in todays "FASTLANE" i think people should do a little research on GENE structure before they do these crosses....you all wanna know why the CROSS between JOCKO and REDDBOY worked look at JOCKO's PED that'll give you your answer.......and where did JEEP come from? a PART of this family (MEANING off dibo) and the understanding of DIBO goes back even farther to FEELEY lines and those dogs are PURE and in a since DIBO was a PURE dog from a PURE family....DO YALL SEE WHAT IM SAYING?
and those dogs arent loosley bred!!!!!

[Texasbulldogs]

My response to the crosses is why do that you gene pool becomes SO BIG that you DO NOT HAVE CONSISTENCY”
You need to study bloodlines more, and learn the difference between a cross and a scatter-bred dog. <O:p</O:p
“D M has video tapes of him teaching EVERYTHING about gamedogs”
Why hasn’t he taught himself how to produce winning dog with high percentages? Maybe he could ask R.K.?<O:p</O:p
“HIGHLY reccomend these tapes for ANYONE wanting to learn THE TRUTH about gamedogs its like going to college...”
Is that where you studied (college D.M.)? I’d personally ask for a refund if I was you.

[JC-Pitbulls]

okay first the theory about the "PITBULL" comeing from a cross betwenn the old bulldog and a terrier is STUPID the "PITBULL" is the old bulldog...(i believe) when bullbaiting became illegal they starting pitting thier dogs HENCE "PITBULL" thats where the PITBULL and the AMERICAN BULLDOG differ one was bred as a "CATCH DOG" and protector.....the "PITBULL" (when bullbaiting became illegal) was bred for its aggression towards other dogs the gameness has been there all this time....(once again i BELEIVE)

AND NOW for my post towards the people saying these dogs are loosly family bred.....these dogs a PURE what i meant by PURE is that they come from the SAME FAMILY and have been KEPT in this family since DIBO....just look and you can see......these dogs ARE the PUREST FAMILYs .....YES you may say im a mayfield follower...but im not against other FAMILIES im against the constant CROSSING that is going on in todays "FASTLANE" i think people should do a little research on GENE structure before they do these crosses....yall wanna know why the CROSS between JOCKO and REDDBOY worked look at JOCKO's PED that'll give you your answer.......and where did JEEP come from? a PART of this family (MEANING off dibo) and the understanding of DIBO goes back even farther to FEELEY lines and those dogs are PURE and in a since DIBO was a PURE dog from a PURE family....DO YALL SEE WHAT IM SAYING?
and those dogs arent lossly bred!!!!!
Jeep is only 6.25% Dibo, but don,t get me wrong I like Dibo.

[who]

you know i think you should be in GAMEDOG chat or something with the way you BASH.....do you know who D M is i hope they let this name slide....he IS one of the all time greats in the GAMEDOG history he matched 117 times and won like 80 somthing of them if thats not a good % then i dont know what is....lol.......OKAY there are 2 kinds of CROSSES family cross which would be like to a cousin or something ....and what the other cross is....what most people call a "BATTLECROSS" which yes can maybe produce good dogs (MAYBE) but being able to reproduce that trait is hard...this thing i keep refering to (CONSISTENCY) is what the dogmen of the past has tried to do and people are DESTROYING this thing that became so HARD to keep....im just encouraging family breedings and I AM NOT CONDONNING ANY TYPE of "battlecross" .......dogs should stay in their family....... unless you want somthing that your dogs dont have....dont cross it...... get a bloodline that has what you want .....its that simple QUIT TARNISHING THE BLOODLINES!!!!!!!!!!!

[JC-Pitbulls]

I'm not bashing, I'm just saying what I feel. Everything you say has to do with D.M. I know he 's a great dogman, and I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying speak your mind, not his. And If you really think about it just about every line has good and bad dogs.

[who]

but what sepereates PURER lines from others is the consistency of the GOOD ones produced....NO the results from the IS-not dog is not posted because that is how the magazine was taken down real dogmen dont need documentation to prove their dogs...is-not has only had i cull from his producing career..and that dog ate strict9 or whatever and she never turned on......granted most of his pups are still young but the ones of age are making is-not know for his abilities

[JC-Pitbulls]

I agree consistency will make better dogs, but crosses will work also.

[Texasbulldogs]

“im against the constant CROSSING that is going on in todays "FASTLANE"”
Why? What is your breeding track record (hopefully as good as R.K.’s lol). Have you ever wondered why these “idiot” with these crossed dogs seem to always out perform your “buddies” dogs? And not all “fastlane” dogs are crossed (example Glock is an in-bred dog).<O:p</O:p

“i think people should do a little research on GENE structure before they do these crosses”
You and your “buddies” breeding for “structure” instead of performance? That explains the LOW percentage.<O:p</O:p

“yall wanna know why the CROSS between JOCKO and REDDBOY worked look at JOCKO's PED that'll give you your answer”
I know why? Do you? Could you tell me about Jocko? What were they known for before the cross? Answer…rank curs. They needed Redboy in them to be competitive. <O:p</O:p

“ and where did JEEP come from?”
Is this a trick question? Could the answer be his MOMMA?<O:p</O:p

“since DIBO was a PURE dog from a PURE family”
Learn too read pedigrees better or use better examples (Dibo was another loosely bred dog).<O:p</O:p

“DO YALL SEE WHAT IM SAYING?”
NO. If I did I’d be REAL scared! How can you “see what someone is saying”?

[who]

TEXAS i think you just looking to BASH and you have no idea what i saying cause you don't want to listen....Redboy stuff ways crossed because redboy dogs COULDN'T compete NO ABILITY and thats said by ALL DOGMEN besides you..i think you would fit in well over in the gamedog chat and yall can talk about how your dogs are the best in the world....cause you ARE TOTALLY OFF base on every thing i have said ......"fastlane" dogs matched against "fastlane" hogs don't mean nothing when you having a battle of scatterbred dogs...a REAL dogmen would match against anything and everything as TUDOR ONCE PUT IT...so you stick with your dogs and ill stick with mine if you ever wanna talk PM me.....

[SSandecki]

Who, you'll last longer in the community not "attacking" and I use that word loosely texasbulldogs posts, he is well respected here and his opinion is as well, becareful who you "bash back at".

[who]

so he can bash me but i cant to it back?

[SSandecki]

I don't believe he was bashing you, should be no one bashing anyone!

[who]

i agree i started this post to get an answer why people keep crossing bloodlines and i gave an example of such NON CROSSING and texas stared BASHING like a guy from gamedog chat lol thats all

[SSandecki]

He was just making a point, I don't consider that bashing, just as you were.

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

i agree, bulldogs was just making a very good point, not bashing
He was just making a point, I don't consider that bashing, just as you were.

[Texasbulldogs]

“do you know who D M is i hope they let this name slide....he IS one of the all time greats in the GAMEDOG history he matched 117 times and won like 80 somthing of them if thats not a good % then i dont know what is”
Yes, I know the man probably meet him before you knew what a bulldog was. He was one of the all time great “conditioners” of his era. You are stating his conditioning record, but yet we are talking about breeding here (I thought).
“what most people call a "BATTLECROSS" which yes can maybe produce good dogs (MAYBE) but being able to reproduce that trait is hard”
Someone forgot to tell GrCh. Buck, GrCh Mayday, Werdo, Frisco, Bolio, Ch. Yellow John etc. All of these dogs are crossed. But yet they have seem to of produced.<O:p</O:p
“ im just encouraging family breedings”
What breeding experience do you have? You have yet to state that.<O:p</O:p
“NO the results from the IS-not dog is not posted because that is how the magazine was taken down real dogmen dont need documentation to prove their dogs”
That’s what most say, but amazingly nothing off R.K or D.M.’s yard seems to make a wake in the bulldog world, a glimpse here and there is about it. Just for the record that is not how the Journal’s owner got busted. <O:p</O:p
“is-not has only had i cull from his producing career..and that dog ate strict9 or whatever and she never turned on”
Did R.K. feed you that line of crap?<O:p</O:p
“granted most of his pups are still young but the ones of age are making is-not know for his abilities”
Went from only 1 (I’m guessing that’s what you meant), not too they are still young. Which is it?<O:p</O:p
“TEXAS i think you just looking to BASH and you have no idea what i saying cause you dont want to listen”
Not bashing you at all. I’m well aware of what you are saying, just happen to disagree with it, it has nothing to do with my reading comprehension.<O:p</O:p
“ Redboy stuff ways crossed because redboy dogs COULDNT compete NO ABILITY and thats said by ALL DOGMEN besides you”
That is correct, they couldn’t compete in general. But in your post earlier you try to make it sound like Redboy dogs needed Jocko dogs and it is the other way around. Fact.<O:p</O:p
“cause you ARE TOTALLY OFF base on every thing i have said”
I’m off base because I disagree with you? Why would I agree when fact have shown you to be wrong. All you are doing is spreading the lies that D.M. and R.K. spoon-fed you.<O:p</O:p
“"fastlane" dogs matched against "fastlane" hogs dont mean nothing when you having a battle of scatterbred dogs”
If you say so, but totally disagree with you. I’d be impressed if you had a dog that could of hung with GrCh 35, or GrCh Chuco Loco both street-bred mutts. <O:p</O:p
“a REAL dogmen would match against anything and everything as TUDOR ONCE PUT IT”
Earlier it wouldn’t mean anything if your “pure” dog matched with a scatterbred dog, know you saying a “real dogman” should match against anything and everything. Which is it?<O:p</O:p
“so he can bash me but i cant to it back?”
Once again I’m not bashing, just don’t agree with what you are saying.
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[swosprey]

I know everyone is getting a little heated, but I think debates like this are good. It lets us learn new
opinions and ideas. I think that as long as people are willing to be passionate about the
dogs, then they will be passionate when it comes to protecting the breed. I just hope all of these
guys will make there opinions heard if the BSL's keep popping up.

[AC]

I say use what works. Chances are the peds on dogs nowadays are in some way distorted. So who knows what's bred like what anymore. Quite frankly if it's working for you that's all that matters. Stick to your own plan and don't worry about what everyone else is doing :)

[SSandecki]

Very true, why does everyone try to be like everyone else now a days, people need to wanna start trends, not follow them!

[Texasbulldogs]

G.H. said it best “Before you back up the b!tch to old Butch answer the question…’WHY?’”. Just remember the only thing that matters in breeding bulldogs is being able to efficaciously and reliably carry on certain traits. It that what you were trying too say in a round about way Who?

[SSandecki]

I just love how texas uses the red text and black for replies.... so professional :cool:

[JC-Pitbulls]

I just love how texas uses the red text and black for replies.... so professional :cool:
Yeah, He's Good:)

[who]

all im trying to say and i have said it before on these posts....I dont see why poeple keep crossing their lines.... keep to your family....you'll have better more consistent dogs....and as for all the "FAMOUS" crosses most of the dogs that you mintion were bred to ALOT of their own family on side or the other...but im not trying to start fights im just trying to give advice to other DOGMEN ..so they have better dogs and the comp. will be a little more competitive u know...but i guess im wrong in TEXAS's eyes and YES you can say im stuck up R.K. and D.M. ass but im sticking with somthing that IS PROVEN...and has the BEST GENES IN THE GAME...DON's record as breeding is as well as his conditioning record...most if not all the dogs he has matched were from his yard or are closely related to his yard.....BUT THANKS FOR THE CONVERSATION TEXAS i hope i made you think twice before you cross on your next breeding LOL

[Marty]

There is "NO PURE" 100% blood in existence & no way to get it"PURE"

Thats just the way it is. ;)

[who]

no marty i didnt say PURE i said the PUREST as close as our dogs come to it we have little DIBO's and Nigger's walking around lol or the DAMN CLOSEST thing to them and if you look at the peds you can tell....our lines has the PUREST GENES and ONE of the purest familys.....if you wanna argue with that come to our chat
http://www.donmayfield.com
http://www.dogtowngamedogs.com

we are in one or the other come in and we'll drop some knowledge on you lol

[Big River Kennels]

While I agree with Texas, If you spread out the bloodlines so thin, how will you know which bloodlines have the traits that you want. you need to stick to a maximum of three bloodlines preferrable two. When I say this I mean three tightly bred dogs. My yard has predominently Jeep/nigerino/bolio. The next breeding I will do will be late spring when I breed a Jeep stud to a 1/4 bolio 3/4 nigerino bitch. That jeep stud is about 40% jeep 50 jocko and the other 10% is thin so as you can see I am tightening the blood line to make it more of a predominent trait that I am looking for.

[Big River Kennels]

besides the bloodline, the other 50% is the training, without good training, even the best bloodline is worthless.

[Marty]

"WHO" let me give "YOU" some advice "DO NOT CONTINTUE TO POST FULL NAMES OR YOU WILL BE BANNED FROM THIS SITE".

Thanks no more warning you.

Heres the link on rules of this site

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/announcement.php?f=6&announcementid=1

READ them this is not gamedogs.com.

[Texasbulldogs]

“most of the dogs that you mintion were bred to A LOT”
Why do you suppose that is? Because they produced!<O:p</O:p

“but im not trying to start fights im just trying to give advice to other DOGMEN”
I don’t believe anyone here is trying to start a fight are arguing, just debating a subject. So are you every going to state “your breeding success”?<O:p</O:p

“but i guess im wrong in TEXAS's eyes”
Not just in my eyes, but in actual documented facts. All you have done is state the “lies” D.M. and R.K. have fed you. You say only breed “pure”, where are all the winning and producing “pure” dogs? If just breeding “pure” was all one had to concern themselves with in breeding, wouldn’t everyone have good, game, pure dogs?<O:p</O:p

“YES you can say im stuck up R.K. and D.M. ass but im sticking with somthing that IS PROVEN”
Yes, we knew that! What I find ironic is you only have 2 “UNPURE” dogs, and neither one of them is bred by D.M. or R.K, you adamantly too others to stay pure, yet you don’t even believe enough in it too feed it.<O:p</O:p

“DON's record as breeding is as well as his conditioning record.”
Then why don’t you provide the facts to back up your statements?<O:p</O:p

“most if not all the dogs he has matched were from his yard or are closely related to his yard”
That doesn’t mean a thing and I’ll tell you why. I know of 8 kennel’s off the top of my head that have a very high winning percentages showing and breeding, yet they are the only ones winning with their stock. Why, because it’s has more to do with there superior conditioning and little to do with their breedings.<O:p</O:p

“BUT THANKS FOR THE CONVERSATION TEXAS i hope i made you think twice before you cross on your next breeding LOL”
Your welcome, why would I take advise from someone with no breeding experience?<O:p</O:p

“as close as our dogs come to it we have little DIBO's and Nigger's walking around lol or the DAMN CLOSEST thing to them and if you look at the peds you can tell.”
LOL. Who, you are a character you don’t have anything to do with them. <O:p</O:p

“our lines has the PUREST GENES and ONE of the purest familys”
When did you purchase their yards? You have absolutely nothing to do with them; hell you don’t even feed one from their breedings.

[nc_pitbulls]

HaHaHaHaHa LOL all i can do is laugh.............

[LA_Headhunters]

Working "BULLDOGS" are just that "WORKING" Crossed or not. Crosses are meant to accentuate the blood (i.e. Jeep/Redboy, Jocko/Redboy, Stompanato/Boomerang, Eli/Bolio) alot of newer lines come from these crosses(i.e. Tab dogs, GRCH Yellow dogs, L.G. Dogs and Boyles dogs) and work real well when bred back to each other or crossed with other lines creating better"BULLDOGS" and that's the point!!!!! Other than that all the famous crosses go back to some what of a common bloodline or ancestry that make them "click" so well and the rest is Bulldog history.

[miakoda]

texas....keep up the good work! couldn't say things better myself. ;)

[Bravo]

My Mate got a tape from R.K when he went and visited some doggers over there,The purpose was to sell dogs in our home land,
My mate left the tape over there,He said the dogs were the worse he ever laid his eyes on.
This is fact not being an a88hole.
Bravo

[Marty]

My Mate got a tape from R.K when he went and visited some doggers over there,The purpose was to sell dogs in our home land,
My mate left the tape over there,He said the dogs were the worse he ever laid his eyes on.
This is fact not being an a88hole.
Bravo

LOL LOL LOL... Thanks for sharing man!!!!

"WHO" will love it!!!

[SWAMPER]

Best To Best If You Have 2 Of Exact Blood And They Are The Gamest 1s On The Farm They Will Be Bread,if 1 Is A Eli 1 Is A Butcherboy,but They Are The Gamest Then Thats What Id Breed ,but If You Inbreed Enough You Will Have To Out It A Lil Or Youll Get Dogs With 5 Eyes And 3 Legs,tails Growing Out The Middle Of Ther Back Leg Lol Jmho

[Marty]

Swamper... nice built bulldog, is that photo in our new photo gallery?

[CRG]

My Mate got a tape from R.K when he went and visited some doggers over there,The purpose was to sell dogs in our home land,
My mate left the tape over there,He said the dogs were the worse he ever laid his eyes on.
This is fact not being an a88hole.
Bravo"who" is going to really love this.

[carson3535]

thats one nice pic swamper

[SWAMPER]

If Its Not In The Gallery You Can Put Him There Hes Getting Old Lol

[Shon]

You can put him there in your own category if you want to :)

[NORTH]

isnt that a villi dog? correct me if im wrong.

[XxKonnectionsxX]

That does look like a Villi dog. Villi Rom II to be exact. That guy from Zinetti dogs owns him. I've spoken with him before. He's pretty cool. Unless swamper is that guy from Zinetti.

[NORTH]

yea ive spoke with him also cool guy.

[Saiyagin]

eventually you will have to cross out at some point to but back the hybrid vigor.

[babyboy20]

I have a9yr old bitch old time blood plumers,chavis,thudors,waters to name a few.I've cross and all pups had it all each litter. will have 1 more litter.

[mutt]

so texas whqt r u sayin?that its not good to breed tight bloodline u shoukd mix evry now and then?

[DEACON ROM]

:) i think ill just lmao, wait i just did that?:confused:

[LadyRampage]

You use the cross to strengthen your line, pure and simple. When linebreeding and inbreeding you eventually, as someone already said, start to lose traits or undesirable traits start to surface and using a cross, which should have the traits that have been lost, should strengthen your breeding program. Once you do your cross then you can go back into your original line with a dog that (hopefully) can start bringing those lost traits back into the mix..

*NOTE* Inbreeding and linebreed should only be done after you learned the dos, don'ts, outcomes (both good and bad), and advantages. In other words, if you don't know what your doing, don't do it.

[Classic]

You use the cross to strengthen your line, pure and simple. When linebreeding and inbreeding you eventually, as someone already said, start to lose traits or undesirable traits start to surface and using a cross, which should have the traits that have been lost, should strengthen your breeding program. Once you do your cross then you can go back into your original line with a dog that (hopefully) can start bringing those lost traits back into the mix..

*NOTE* Inbreeding and linebreed should only be done after you learned the dos, don'ts, outcomes (both good and bad), and advantages. In other words, if you don't know what your doing, don't do it.
That is an excellent post LadyRampage, but I would add not to breed your dog at all until you have doned all the research you can.

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Just thought I'd interject somethin here. This whole thread was started by a guy advocating Mayfield bred dogs as "pure". The whole Mayfield line was Based on Tudors Nigger. Tudor was a guy who would breed anything he could get his hands on that performed. Just look behind Nigger and other Tudor dogs and you'll see he's got stuff from practically every line available at the time in there. Both line breeding and outcrossing have been proven useful tools for successful breeding.