Petbulls!!!

[bullydogs]

Lately, i have been seeing the word PETBULL thrown around frequently. It seems that several people look down upon individuals who simply own a APBT as strictly a (housedog)companion. So dogs that are not associated with conformation,weightpull,hog hunting,and fighting are no longer APBT's? Now all of sudden there petbulls. Chit somebody should register these petbulls, since some people feel that they are not as important or less worthy. I personally do enjoy weightpulling and conformation showing my dogs. However, i refuse and dislike others to reffer to APBT's as petbulls. IMHO its very insulting to individuals who do not par take in certain activities with there dogs. This is not a personal attack against anyone...i just think its a unfair/ and a bad choice of terminology to label someone else's dog in this manner.

[Red Cocaine]

Nothing wrong with having A pet, but to breed pets is where people get upset.. This breed was created as a working breed. Die hard fanciers want to keep this breed a working breed by improving and preserving the APBT as it was created and that my friend is a hardy working dog, NOT a pet that does nothing to EARN it's right to be bred. That is what people are against.. not the dog it's self if you so happen to own a pet, but to perpetuate and bring in more Pets into this world then their, my friend lies the problem.

JMHO and $0.2

[FearlessKnight]

Not to start shit, (which I am sure it will) :rolleyes: I agree with you...this has been discussed in the past too...I used to be one of those people that didnt like them...and thought the same thing, but I longer feel that way.
The reason I dont is because in the END we all have to STICK TOGETHER if we want to keep our breed alive and in OUR possession.....
some folks still dont get it. But I do agree it is insulting, because there are a lot of better bred dogs like Marty's Little Bit, that are out there and are house dogs.....but nobody gives him shit....
It is (to me) a cowards way out....
hope you dont m ind me using you as an example Marty...

Just because the dog does is not USED for sertain things, DOES NOT mean that it CANNOT do and is not capable of doing! More people need to realize that.
Now there are the ones that dress their dogs and what-not, well to each his own I geuss, the dog is still what it is whatever the breed and always will be a shirt or neck tie will not change that.
Good thread brought back to life once more.

[ladybanker462]

this is just a word soooome dog people use when they think your dog is to much of a pet.i had a very heated discussion with a long time friend when he reffered to my housedog as a pet bull after telling off in a few languages he finally explained to me what he meant i told him i didnt care what he meant i didnt want him refering to my dogs in this manner. some people think if your pit bull is to friendly this makes him or her less of the breed. i would much rather have a man friendly pit than a man biter so let them call them what they will i know i am trying to put some good words back to the breed they have had more than enough negative words

[Grizzly]

Nothing wrong with having A pet, but to breed pets is where people get upset.. This breed was created as a working breed. Die hard fanciers want to keep this breed a working breed by improving and preserving the APBT as it was created and that my friend is a hardy working dog, NOT a pet that does nothing to EARN it's right to be bred. That is what people are against.. not the dog it's self if you so happen to own a pet, but to perpetuate and bring in more Pets into this world then their, my friend lies the problem.

JMHO and $0.2

Then refer to the dog as a pet Pit Bull. there is no such thing as a petbull.

[Red Cocaine]

this is just a word soooome dog people use when they think your dog is to much of a pet.i had a very heated discussion with a long time friend when he reffered to my housedog as a pet bull after telling off in a few languages he finally explained to me what he meant i told him i didnt care what he meant i didnt want him refering to my dogs in this manner. some people think if your pit bull is to friendly this makes him or her less of the breed. i would much rather have a man friendly pit than a man biter so let them call them what they will i know i am trying to put some good words back to the breed they have had more than enough negative wordsIf you bought the dog as a Pet, from a Pet breeder and have done nothing with the dog but be a pet, then you have no right to be upset when someone calls your dog a petbull, because that is what he is if this is what he is.

[Grizzly]

If you bought the dog as a Pet, from a Pet breeder and have done nothing with the dog but be a pet, then you have no right to be upset when someone calls your dog a petbull, because that is what he is if this is what he is. No such thing as a petbull.

[Michele]

Nothing wrong with having A pet, but to breed pets is where people get upset.. This breed was created as a working breed. Die hard fanciers want to keep this breed a working breed by improving and preserving the APBT as it was created and that my friend is a hardy working dog, NOT a pet that does nothing to EARN it's right to be bred. That is what people are against.. not the dog it's self if you so happen to own a pet, but to perpetuate and bring in more Pets into this world then their, my friend lies the problem.

JMHO and $0.2


I agree with this.

[Red Cocaine]

No such thing as a petbull.Unless the dog is bred for the Pit then take the pit out of the Name. There is also not such thing as a Pitbull either friend, the name is American (pit) BullTerrier. Read the old aricles and you will see what I have typed as the name of their dogs.

[coolhandjean]

I might be alone on this...
My dogs are APBT, but they are also pet bulls. Their offical breed name isn't pet bull, but they are our pets, and not much else...
I don't see any problems with owning a "pet bull", and rarely take offense to the term, unless someone thinks they should be put down, just because they are my pets...
I do understand why fanciers get mad when "pet bulls" are bred, though...

[bullydogs]

Nothing wrong with having A pet, but to breed pets is where people get upset.. This breed was created as a working breed. Die hard fanciers want to keep this breed a working breed by improving and preserving the APBT as it was created and that my friend is a hardy working dog, NOT a pet that does nothing to EARN it's right to be bred. That is what people are against.. not the dog it's self if you so happen to own a pet, but to perpetuate and bring in more Pets into this world then their, my friend lies the problem.

JMHO and $0.2

I understand and agree what with you are saying. However, some people are not using the word petbull soley has a refference to a pet. They are using it in a negative way. Not all people who intially obtain a APBT are as educated as others...they dont know the history and what die hard fanciers want to preserve. Of course the majority of people buying a dog do some research. But there are those who do not. And when these people sign up for forums like this...they are exicted and want to show and tell the word about their new dogs. And instead of trying to educate and promote their efforts in learning, some people bash their dogs for being simply a pet,bully,and even blue. We all started somewhere, but if we dont all work to educate these new owners...then our problems will only get worst.

[BoiBoi]

i personally don't have a problem with that word, damn folks its just a word, aint gonna do much harm to u now is it. Ok well how about ban that word and also lets ban pit, pitty, pitbull, u get my trend. U start banning one word then u gotta ban all of them eventually. F*ck it im gonna call them like i see them and not really care what others think
YIS
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[Grizzly]

Unless the dog is bred for the Pit then take the pit out of the Name. There is also not such thing as a Pitbull either friend, the name is American (pit) BullTerrier. Read the old aricles and you will see what I have typed as the name of their dogs. You are exactly right!!!! The official name, the proper name, the correct name is the American Pit Bull Terrier. To say the word "pit" should be removed if the dog no longer earns it's living in the pit is ridiculous.
At one time I owned an Alaskan Malamute. The dog did not live in Alaska nor had he ever pulled a sled but he was still a purebred "Alaskan Malamute".
Also owned a Golden Retriever...he never retrieved anything but he was still a purebred "Golden Retriever".
As far as your comment "There is also not such thing as a Pitbull either friend"
you might want to take a look at the banner across the top of this forum good buddy.

[Hardhead]

Unless the dog is bred for the Pit then take the pit out of the Name. There is also not such thing as a Pitbull either friend, the name is American (pit) BullTerrier. Read the old aricles and you will see what I have typed as the name of their dogs.
Exactly, which is why the AKC decided on "American Staffordshire Terrier" to drop the "pit" indefinitely.

Conformation standards are there for a reason, to be kept in it's purest form. The conformation of the APBT are not based on looks alone, but temperment. Actually the build of the APBT was based on fighting purposes alone, not looks.

When you breed a dog outside of it's conformation such as in this case for color and size, you take away the very essence of the breed, therefore it is no longer the same dog but another breed.

I am okay with the name "American Bully" as they are trying to push, but to call it a "pitbull" is a misrepresentation of what it is.

-J

[Red Cocaine]

I understand and agree what with you are saying. However, some people are not using the word petbull soley has a refference to a pet. They are using it in a negative way. Not all people who intially obtain a APBT are as educated as others...they dont know the history and what die hard fanciers want to preserve. Of course the majority of people buying a dog do some research. But there are those who do not. And when these people sign up for forums like this...they are exicted and want to show and tell the word about their new dogs. And instead of trying to educate and promote their efforts in learning, some people bash their dogs for being simply a pet,bully,and even blue. We all started somewhere, but if we dont all work to educate these new owners...then our problems will only get worst. I don’t think anyone gets a pitbull not knowing that they are fighting dogs… and to say “OHHHH I want a dog that was once bred for fighting but I don’t want it to fight, I want it to looooooooooooooooooooove every body and every dog, as a matter of fact I want a bloodhound too, but I don’t want it to track and bark when if finds what he smells I don’t want him to smell and look for things, as a matter of fact I want a dobermann but I don’t want him to be a protective guard dog I want him to looooooooooooooooove every body and be friendly to everybody that creaps up to my house….. so what I’m going to do is look for the people that breed these dog because I like the way they look but I only want a shell of that dog I don’t want what that dog was bred for I just want a pet……………..” :/

[FearlessKnight]

I understand and agree what with you are saying. However, some people are not using the word petbull soley has a refference to a pet. They are using it in a negative way. Not all people who intially obtain a APBT are as educated as others...they dont know the history and what die hard fanciers want to preserve. Of course the majority of people buying a dog do some research. But there are those who do not. And when these people sign up for forums like this...they are exicted and want to show and tell the word about their new dogs. And instead of trying to educate and promote their efforts in learning, some people bash their dogs for being simply a pet,bully,and even blue. We all started somewhere, but if we dont all work to educate these new owners...then our problems will only get worst.This is why learning before you make such a decision is important and most people these days do not do that, and some of the ones that do....REFUSE to to come to terms with what this breed is really about and what is was origianlly bred for. Those people are the ones that HURT this breed, and for that I will bash all day long......trying to educate someone that REFUSES to learn THE TRUTH is hard to do....so there are many haters out there..some folks throw the word PETBULL just to hurt those individuals that are hurting our breed. Is it right..probably not, but it is what it is. We all say things that we know will hurt someone, with the intentions of doing so, it is only human.

I agree though, PETBULL is not a breed....neither PITBULL....
I take offense when I hear PITBULL, because it is slang and it combines a number of breeds...and it DOES NOT make this breed sound very enticing, when speaking to the public, would I like to the word PIT BULL (alone) diminished from this earth? Yes....PETBULL? Again yes, I would, why, because that is not what these dogs are..they are American Pit Bull Terriers....APBT's
Unless they were bred for looks, or color or anything other than performance and original traits (preservation) they are then nothing but MUTTS.....

[Red Cocaine]

You are exactly right!!!! The official name, the proper name, the correct name is the American Pit Bull Terrier. To say the word "pit" should be removed if the dog no longer earns it's living in the pit is ridiculous.
At one time I owned an Alaskan Malamute. The dog did not live in Alaska nor had he ever pulled a sled but he was still a purebred "Alaskan Malamute".
Also owned a Golden Retriever...he never retrieved anything but he was still a purebred "Golden Retriever".
As far as your comment "There is also not such thing as a Pitbull either friend"
you might want to take a look at the banner across the top of this forum good buddy.You soooooooo missed my point.... If your dogs are bred for say 10 gen not to retrieve are they still retrivers? No they are not because they do not and are not bred to retrive...

[Red Cocaine]

You are exactly right!!!! The official name, the proper name, the correct name is the American Pit Bull Terrier. To say the word "pit" should be removed if the dog no longer earns it's living in the pit is ridiculous.
At one time I owned an Alaskan Malamute. The dog did not live in Alaska nor had he ever pulled a sled but he was still a purebred "Alaskan Malamute".
Also owned a Golden Retriever...he never retrieved anything but he was still a purebred "Golden Retriever".
As far as your comment "There is also not such thing as a Pitbull either friend"
you might want to take a look at the banner across the top of this forum good buddy.The name of the breed is AMERICAN (sporting/pit/fighting) BULL-TERRIER

[bullydogs]

At one time I owned an Alaskan Malamute. The dog did not live in Alaska nor had he ever pulled a sled but he was still a purebred "Alaskan Malamute".
Also owned a Golden Retriever...he never retrieved anything but he was still a purebred "Golden Retriever".
Very good examples, its not just the word Petbull, its the way some use it. Like a ABPT that is strictly a house dog, and one that hog hunts are any different genetically. I do not think so. And like i said the word is being used to belittle another persons dog. Like Grizzly stated its still a American Pitbull Terrier. For instance my buddy has a redboy/jocko bred dog that is a house dog. I dont say hey how is your petbull doing? Whats wrong with just saying dog, or saying / suggesting the its primarily a house dog.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I dont have a problem with the word either. There seems to be two types of folks that have these dogs. 1. You have people that respect what the breed was orginally breed for. 2. would have people that really don't care. Just know that they have a good dog. I dont think either is wrong.

[FearlessKnight]

You soooooooo missed my point.... If your dogs are bred for say 10 gen not to retrieve are they still retrivers? No they are not because they do not and are not bred to retrive... I agree with what you are saying.....

But to say that only an APBT is an APBT is when it was bred to fight is a little off....
becuase legally you cannot.....BUT
to breed for their traits that once allowed them to perfom in the [] would be the better choice of words. We all know it is illegal and you cannot fight the dogs beofre you breed them to know for sure if they are.....make sense...unless of course you do some shady business in your backyard?! It is not legal........

[Red Cocaine]

Very good examples, its not just the word Petbull, its the way some use it. Like a ABPT that is strictly a house dog, and one that hog hunts are any different genetically. I do not think so. But don't you see that they are, if you breed pets to pets from pets to get pets then the offspring is goning to be pets. NOT hunting dogs vs. Breeding hunting dogs from hunting dogs to hunting dogs... what are you going to get ...? hunting dogs.

[FearlessKnight]

But don't you see that they are, if you breed pets to pets from pets to get pets then the offspring is goning to be pets. NOT hunting dogs vs. Breeding hunting dogs from hunting dogs to hunting dogs... what are you going to get ...? hunting dogs.They are still not PETBULLS...they are MUTTS

[Red Cocaine]

I agree with what you are saying.....

But to say that only an APBT is an APBT is when it was bred to fight is a little off....
becuase legally you cannot.....BUT
to breed for their traits that once allowed them to perfom in the [] would be the better choice of words. We all know it is illegal and you cannot fight the dogs beofre you breed them to know for sure if they are.....make sense...unless of course you do some shady business in your backyard?! It is not legal........Personally I don’t think testing (if done the right way) is illegal… It is not what is defined by law of what is illegal..

and by your statement then AKC staffs are no diff. than a my mayday dog..

[Red Cocaine]

They are still not PETBULLS...they are MUTTSHow then are they mutts if they’re pure bred (lack of a better word) Currs?

[Grizzly]

This is why learning before you make such a decision is important and most people these days do not do that, and some of the ones that do....REFUSE to to come to terms with what this breed is really about and what is was origianlly bred for. Those people are the ones that HURT this breed, and for that I will bash all day long......trying to educate someone that REFUSES to learn THE TRUTH is hard to do....so there are many haters out there..some folks throw the word PETBULL just to hurt those individuals that are hurting our breed. Is it right..probably not, but it is what it is. We all say things that we know will hurt someone, with the intentions of doing so, it is only human.

I agree though, PETBULL is not a breed....neither PITBULL....
I take offense when I hear PITBULL, because it is slang and it combines a number of breeds...and it DOES NOT make this breed sound very enticing, when speaking to the public, would I like to the word PIT BULL (alone) diminished from this earth? Yes....PETBULL? Again yes, I would, why, because that is not what these dogs are..they are American Pit Bull Terriers....APBT's
Unless they were bred for looks, or color or anything other than performance and original traits (preservation) they are then nothing but MUTTS.....
Well I understand very much what some of you are saying concerning the true reason for the existance of this breed. To some people, owning an "APBT" and not using it for it's original purpose and performance in the box is worthless. Now if that is the case, since dog fighting is now illegal the American Pit Bull Terrier may as well be allowed to slip into extinction like PETA wants it to.
However!!!! Just like the headline banner states " and in its modern incarnations as a loving companion pet and top competitor in weight pull competitions and conformation shows" We don't have to do that. We can continue to own and enjoy our purebred, full blooded 100% APBT regardless of what some may want to call them (i.e. MUTT,petbull).

[ColbyDogs]

I think Petbull is a fitting name to those who own the breed and deny its history. There are quite a few of those types of owners out there and it tends to piss people off when they act all holy than thow when it comes to this breed. The breed should not change for those who showed up late to the dance. The folks who are most commonly refered to as Petbull owners are the ones who want the dog but do not want any of the traits that the APBT was bred for. These are the same people who feel you can love the fight out of the dog, also they seem to be the ones who bring thier APBT's to the doggie park for to make little doggie friends. They are also he first ones to drop the dog at the shelter as soon as the dog turns on and the mistake DA for HA. Another thing about Petbull owners is how they disrespect any of the old time dogmen, they just never seem to get it through thier heads that if it were not for the dogmen of old doing the things they did none of us would have these dogs today.

That my friend is what i concider a petbull owner, the name is fitting.

[FearlessKnight]

How then are they mutts if they’re pure bred (lack of a better word) Currs? a pure bred mutt in my book is a CUR

[Hardhead]

The fact that it can't be bred to do what it is made to do (legally) is what's destroying the breed to begin with.

[Red Cocaine]

Well I understand very much what some of you are saying concerning the true reason for the existance of this breed. To some people, owning an "APBT" and not using it for it's original purpose and performance in the box is worthless. Now if that is the case, since dog fighting is now illegal the American Pit Bull Terrier may as well be allowed to slip into extinction like PETA wants it to.
However!!!! Just like the headline banner states " and in its modern incarnations as a loving companion pet and top competitor in weight pull competitions and conformation shows" We don't have to do that. We can continue to own and enjoy our purebred, full blooded 100% APBT regardless of what some may want to call them (i.e. MUTT,petbull).Take what i'm telling as it's worth....

Unless your ApBT can take down a hogg,, then its a pet...

[coolhandjean]

That my friend is what i concider a petbull owner, the name is fitting.Well, going by that description, then I guess I am not a pet bull owner at all..

[BoogiemanBlood]

i'll make it simple for everybody.....call my dogs what you want.....lmao. i know what they are, where they came from, and what they are capable of! that's all that matters to me! not some goof's opinion i found on a forum. lmao :p

especially a few paticular goofs i won't name lol

[FearlessKnight]

Well I understand very much what some of you are saying concerning the true reason for the existance of this breed. To some people, owning an "APBT" and not using it for it's original purpose and performance in the box is worthless. Now if that is the case, since dog fighting is now illegal the American Pit Bull Terrier may as well be allowed to slip into extinction like PETA wants it to.
However!!!! Just like the headline banner states " and in its modern incarnations as a loving companion pet and top competitor in weight pull competitions and conformation shows" We don't have to do that. We can continue to own and enjoy our purebred, full blooded 100% APBT regardless of what some may want to call them (i.e. MUTT,petbull).Hey I agree with them being pets.....
but not called petbulls....as it is slang, and to me there is enough slang in this breed already......it has just gotten 23 months in the pen....know what I mean???? :D

[Red Cocaine]

The fact that it can't be bred to do, what it is made to do, (legally) is what's destroying the breed to begin with.X10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000

[bullydogs]

I don’t think anyone gets a pitbull not knowing that they are fighting dogs…
Wow so APBT's were intially bred for fighting???? I guess we have read different interpretations of the APBT's origin

[FearlessKnight]

i'll make it simple for everybody.....call my dogs what you want.....lmao. i know what they are, where they came from, and what they are capable of! that's all that matters to me! not some goof's opinion i found on a forum. lmao :pIsnt that the truth........

[Hardhead]

Wow so APBT's were intially bred for fighting???? I guess we have read different interpretations of the APBT's origin
Yes, they were.

[bullydogs]

Yes, they were.So at the earliest of stages, they were meant and bred for the box?

[Red Cocaine]

Yes, they were.Thus the name

Sporting aka Pit aka Fighting, Bull-Terrier

[FearlessKnight]

Yes, they were.Where exactly do y ou think they go their name.....what was your intake on the matter?

[BoogiemanBlood]

Where exactly do y ou think they go their name.....what was your intake on the matter?you should have just let them continue to make fools of themselves.....lmao since they knew it all

bullydogs since it's your thread why don't you enlighten our new friend

[Grizzly]

Exactly, which is why the AKC decided on "American Staffordshire Terrier" to drop the "pit" indefinitely.

Conformation standards are there for a reason, to be kept in it's purest form. The conformation of the APBT are not based on looks alone, but temperment. Actually the build of the APBT was based on fighting purposes alone, not looks.

When you breed a dog outside of it's conformation such as in this case for color and size, you take away the very essence of the breed, therefore it is no longer the same dog but another breed.

I am okay with the name "American Bully" as they are trying to push, but to call it a "pitbull" is a misrepresentation of what it is.

-J No, the AKC refused to acknowledge the AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER because of its fighting heritage which they did not like. That was the sole reason for the forming of the UKC.

[FearlessKnight]

you should have just let them continue to make fools of themselves.....lmao since they knew it allYup...I am outta here...this thread went worthless REALLY quick!

[Red Cocaine]

So at the earliest of stages, they were meant and bred for the box?Yes I know of several accounts and articles from 1810 – 1830’s use of the name “fighting bulldogs” and "Fighting bullterriers” Theres a story that i posted in here it's named How The Lion fights stopped the breeding of pit Bulldogs in England..... look it up and read it.

[Hardhead]

So at the earliest of stages, they were meant and bred for the box?
In the earliest stages they weren't called American (pit) Bull Terriers. As a matter of fact, I still call them "bulldogs" as many I know do.

The wolf wasn't bred to be a lap dog either.

-J

[bullydogs]

Here's a clue.......bulldog!!!!!!!

[BoogiemanBlood]

Yes I know of several accounts and articles from 1810 – 1830’s use of the name “fighting bulldogs” and "Fighting bullterriers” Theres a story that i posted in here it's named How The Lion fights stopped the breeding of pit Bulldogs in England..... look it up and read it. lol ur another great source of information.....lmao

[Grizzly]

The name of the breed is AMERICAN (sporting/pit/fighting) BULL-TERRIERNo, it is AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER.

[bullydogs]

In the earliest stages they weren't called American (pit) Bull Terriers. As a matter of fact, I still call them "bulldogs" as many I know do.

The wolf wasn't bred to be a lap dog either.

-JYou did not awnser the question. :D

[BoogiemanBlood]

Here's a clue.......bulldog!!!!!!!lol give it up red cocaine seems to have it covered......lmfao

[Red Cocaine]

read this story http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24444

[Hardhead]

You did not awnser the question. :D
I did, you cannot comprehend my words.

-J

[Red Cocaine]

lol ur another great source of information.....lmaoare you being serious or sarcastic?

[Grizzly]

Take what i'm telling as it's worth....

Unless your ApBT can take down a hogg,, then its a pet...
I agree with you 100%. It is my "pet" AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER!!!
But if you'd like, you can call it a UNICORN for all I care!!!

[bullydogs]

lol give it up red cocaine seems to have it covered......lmfaoYup, good advice. :)

[Red Cocaine]

No, it is AMERICAN PIT BULLTERRIER.Fine agree to disagree, I stand firm….

[Hardhead]

Fine agree to disagree, I stand firm….
So will I.

This place has dumbed down quite a bit since 4+ years ago. Sorry to see this Marty.

-J

[Grizzly]

In the earliest stages they weren't called American (pit) Bull Terriers. As a matter of fact, I still call them "bulldogs" as many I know do.

The wolf wasn't bred to be a lap dog either.

-JIn the earlier stages they were called " BULL AND TERRIERS"

[bullydogs]

But if you'd like, you can call it a UNICORN for all I care!!!Freakin hilarious, now people are gonna be calling other people's dogs unicorns. LMFAO.:D

[ColbyDogs]

Well, going by that description, then I guess I am not a pet bull owner at all..
Nope you would not be. I honestly do not care if someone owns the breed and doesn't work it, just do not come down on those who do work thier dogs and call them names. However that seldom is the case, they get the dogs and expect for everyone to change the dogs to thier liking. That just doesn't jive with people who really love and respect all that the APBT has to offer.

I have seen on a few other forums where people wish that thier dogs were not DA so they could interact with other dogs. WTF ? Why did they get the dog knowing damn well that they ARE indeed from a fighting heritage ? That is all part of the dog, you need to take the good with the bad. If you do not like those traits then by all means choose another breed more suited for your taste and life style. But these people don't do that, they choose the APBT and expect for everyone to follow thier suit. i think thats what rubs the APBT owners the most, reasons why the term Petbull was invented.

[BoogiemanBlood]

Take what i'm telling as it's worth....
yes please everyone do.....free info worth exactly what you paid for it

[ColbyDogs]

We should all try and stay on topic, this can be a good thread, I know I have been wanting to get what i am saying off my chest in quite some time and I really would hate for this thread to get locked down.

[Red Cocaine]

yes please everyone do.....free info worth exactly what you paid for itwhat more do you have to add but just to utter words that make sarcastic nudges…. ?

[bullydogs]

We should all try and stay on topic, this can be a good thread, I know I have been wanting to get what i am saying off my chest in quite some time and I really would hate for this thread to get locked down.Agreed, things got alil offtrack. So everyone please read OP...so this does not get shut down.

[BoogiemanBlood]

We should all try and stay on topic, this can be a good thread, I know I have been wanting to get what i am saying off my chest in quite some time and I really would hate for this thread to get locked down.yeah it's about pet bulls not the origin of the APBT

good call colby!

[BoogiemanBlood]

what more do you have to add but just to utter words that make sarcastic nudges…. ?red cocaine please start a thread pertaining to the origin of the APBT please as it's been asked to stay on the OT here.

thanks

[Grizzly]

Nope you would not be. I honestly do not care if someone owns the breed and doesn't work it, just do not come down on those who do work thier dogs and call them names. However that seldom is the case, they get the dogs and expect for everyone to change the dogs to thier liking. That just doesn't jive with people who really love and respect all that the APBT has to offer.

I have seen on a few other forums where people wish that thier dogs were not DA so they could interact with other dogs. WTF ? Why did they get the dog knowing damn well that they ARE indeed from a fighting heritage ? That is all part of the dog, you need to take the good with the bad. If you do not like those traits then by all means choose another breed more suited for your taste and life style. But these people don't do that, they choose the APBT and expect for everyone to follow thier suit. i think thats what rubs the APBT owners the most, reasons why the term Petbull was invented.
I agree in much of what you've said, especially about the APBT's heritage. I love these dogs because of their history and original purpose, not in spite of it. The dogmen of old were like engine builders for race cars. They experimented, they tweaked every knob and tried everything possible to produce the finest in the sport. It was an on going process of making the best better. Their goal was to create through years of trial and error, breeding and breeding again, the ultimate warrior, the only dog to be rightfully called the "Gladiator Dog". A dog that as of today is the most mis-understood dog in history. The dogmen had a passion and love for the sport just as I have said about the engine builders who stand behind the scenes and watch the results of their labors on the race circuit, and every day the dogmen put trial, effort and energy into the ancestors of our breed.
No I wouldn't fight my dog for any amount. I spent my time in those circles and I for one am so glad those days are gone. I'm glad it is illegal. But I'm proud of my dogs history. When I look at him, whether anyone else does or not, I see the Gladiator Dog I see a representation of the greatest warrior dog in the world....but I detest dogfighting, I hate it. Ironic isn't it.
I guess it is kind of like I see my experience in combat. I'm proud of it and of everyone who fought and served they are also warriors but I wish no one ever had to go through it or experience it. We have the greatest military in the world but I wish they never had to spill a drop of blood to prove it.

[crawfish407]

I haven't heard about the word petbull till I read this. I guess thats what I have. Gamebred Petbulls! Hilarious! I would still rather have Petbulls than any other breed. Someone once looked at Knarl, shivered and asked me "How can you sleep at night with a 90lb pitbull under the bed?" I said "How do you sleep at night without one!" I don't worry about kidnappers either. If someone were to mess with my kids they wouldn't be screaming petbull. I got a kick out of it. Some people take offence to easy.

[Red Cocaine]

I agree in much of what you've said, especially about the APBT's heritage. I love these dogs because of their history and original purpose, not in spite of it. The dogmen of old were like engine builders for race cars. They experimented, they tweaked every knob and tried everything possible to produce the finest in the sport. It was an on going process of making the best better. Their goal was to create through years of trial and error, breeding and breeding again, the ultimate warrior, the only dog to be rightfully called the "Gladiator Dog". A dog that as of today is the most mis-understood dog in history. The dogmen had a passion and love for the sport just as I have said about the engine builders who stand behind the scenes and watch the results of their labors on the race circuit, and every day the dogmen put trial, effort and energy into the ancestors of our breed.
No I wouldn't fight my dog for any amount. I spent my time in those circles and I for one am so glad those days are gone. I'm glad it is illegal. But I'm proud of my dogs history. When I look at him, whether anyone else does or not, I see the Gladiator Dog I see a representation of the greatest warrior dog in the world....but I detest dogfighting, I hate it. Ironic isn't it.
I guess it is kind of like I see my experience in combat. I'm proud of it and of everyone who fought and served they are also warriors but I wish no one ever had to go through it or experience it. We have the greatest military in the world but I wish they never had to spill a drop of blood to prove it.It is like in the same breath that you Glorify those who up kept this breed in past years but it is almost like you despise those who are the true keepers of the breed now who fallowed in the old timers foot steps… It is as a contradiction of ideas that you have. Love of the result but unwilling to do what it takes to achieve that result.
If we do not preserve what we have now, it will surly be lost forever.
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[Grizzly]

It is like in the same breath that you Glorify those who up kept this breed in past years but it is almost like you despise those who are the true keepers of the breed now who fallowed in the old timers foot steps… It is as a contradiction of ideas that you have. Love of the result but unwilling to do what it takes to achieve that result.
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Like I said, ironic isn't it.

[ColbyDogs]

[QUOTE=Grizzly] I'm proud of my dogs history. When I look at him, whether anyone else does or not, I see the Gladiator Dog I see a representation of the greatest warrior dog in the world....but I detest dogfighting, I hate it. Ironic isn't it.
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I feel the same way, there should be nothing wrong with admiring someone elses hard work. But the petbull owners do, they tend to shy away from it and cast stones at you and me for the admiration we show for the history of the breed.
I refuse to stick my head in the sand and deny where my dog came from and to condemn the dogman to hell for doing the things he did nor do I appreciate being labled a dogfighter for respecting the dogmen of old. I do not agree with all the things that have gone down in the past however i am not going to show disrespect to the men who created the breed that I cherish.

[crawfish407]

I had never heard this term before. Petbulls! I guess that's what I have. Gamebred Petbulls. Someone once looked at Knarl, shivered and asked me"How can you sleep at night with that Pitbull under the bed?" I said "How can you sleep at night without one?" I don't think an intruder would be screaming Petbull. I wouldn't own any other breed. Soft or not they are still the best thing going! I got a kick out of it. Some people just get their feelings hurt easy.

[MinorThreat]

people crying on this site about getting bad rep points and now crying about having their petbulls being referred to as petbulls

this thread has the petbull community arguing with each other and voicing their hatred for those that keep to the original gamedog standards, this thread has everything covered

nice thread bullydogs

[fastjesse]

I don't see anything wrong with having a game-bred dog as a pet. I just don't believe you should breed unproven stock. Just my 2 cents. I have a pet dog that I wouln't breed unless I new she was worth it. She's coming up on 2 years old ......................... Her dad was........ and mom was from some conformation Ch lines. Nice dog on paper but a game dog who knows?

Editted:Simms

[misterdogman]

"Petbull" really when you face the facts and brass tacks is just a "PR" name created by some foo foo fluffy wuffy APBT owner that liked the soft sound of PET versus PIT. So basically it has become a popular name for people who own just house dogs because really most 97+ % of APBT owners out there own non game bred or BYB cur dogs or just some old dog that looks like a APBT. So in the long run let them go ahead and make the distinction themselves then by watching them write youll know what they own game bred dogs or sh!t!!! Because someone with gamebred stuff would never use that term and thank god because I think its pretty gay.

[misterdogman]

I don't see anything wrong with having a game-bred dog as a pet. I just don't believe you should breed unproven stock. Just my 2 cents. I have a pet dog that I wouln't breed unless I new she was worth it. She's coming up on 2 years old ......................... Her dad was........ and mom was from some conformation Ch lines. Nice dog on paper but a game dog who knows?

Editted:Simms Probaly not game if from conformation lines but still a pet, would you use petbull? as a term in reference to her knowing shes basically a show dog?

[Marty]

These are my petbulls Lol

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/Lilbit26.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/Lilbit%20VS%20Rufus/Rufus-V-Lilbit-035.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/Lilbit%20VS%20Rufus/Rufus-V-Lilbit-025.jpg

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/You-might-be-a-dogman-if-al.jpg

One is game bred, one is a mutt, they both live in the house and I do nothing with them except show them in dog shows, you can call them what up want but I call them APBTs.

I have made announcements/posts about this very thing, look them up as I don't have time ;)

[simms]

Probaly not game if from conformation lines but still a pet, would you use petbull? as a term in reference to her knowing shes basically a show dog?
I editted the post you are responding too. Maybe you guy's can converse about this thread in pm.

[coolhandjean]

I agree, Colby. I love this breed. I love its history and its traits...I don't want to change it into my ideal of what it should be. I love the way it is. That is why I'd like to get a gamebred dog in the future, and that is why I spend so much time here...Well said, Colby.

[bullydogs]

people crying on this site about getting bad rep points and now crying about having their petbulls being referred to as petbulls

this thread has the petbull community arguing with each other and voicing their hatred for those that keep to the original gamedog standards, this thread has everything covered

nice thread bullydogs
O brother, can you show me a post where someone was crying.

I hope you were not implying it was me...if thats the case...you did not comprehend what was stated in OP.

The threads main focus point had nothing to do with original gamedog standards.

Not once in my lifetime has anyone ever called my dogs petbulls. I just have seen the word thrown around lately, and noticed that when the word was used...it was used in a way that was negative and insulting...and little to do with the fact that the dog was actually a house companion.

Bash the BYB and puppy peddlers that know better. Why insult innocent people who are just learning about the breed, there are more positive ways to educate people. Why automically shut out people because there dog is blue or a so called petbull.

Yeah many people have a great deal of knowledge on here. But the ones that are willing to share it in a positive way are the ones that get my respect. There is no need to arogant or condenscending. We all joined this forum for a common reason...to learn and talk about the breed we love. Atleast i did.

[frenchie1936]

"Petbull" really when you face the facts and brass tacks is just a "PR" name created by some foo foo fluffy wuffy APBT owner that liked the soft sound of PET versus PIT. So basically it has become a popular name for people who own just house dogs because really most 97+ % of APBT owners out there own non game bred or BYB cur dogs or just some old dog that looks like a APBT. So in the long run let them go ahead and make the distinction themselves then by watching them write youll know what they own game bred dogs or sh!t!!! Because someone with gamebred stuff would never use that term and thank god because I think its pretty gay.


pretty gay indeed lol. you never fail to make me chuckle mr dogman. to those of you who get upset about what someone says over the net, get a damn life. go argue with your signifigant other or do something other than bring your bull shit here. and to those that egged on some of these posters, grow the hell up. it was amusing enough to watch them argue amongst themselves, but to encourage their stupidity relegates you to that level. and it also shows your, ahem....., unwavering support for this forum. simms got it dead on, PM's children. you really care that damn much if someone calls the animal you love and cherish a pet? all of my dogs are pets. i use them to hunt also. got any new nicknames for that one? this was indeed a spent thread long ago.

[simms]

pretty gay indeed lol. you never fail to make me chuckle mr dogman. to those of you who get upset about what someone says over the net, get a damn life. go argue with your signifigant other or do something other than bring your bull shit here. and to those that egged on some of these posters, grow the hell up. it was amusing enough to watch them argue amongst themselves, but to encourage their stupidity relegates you to that level. and it also shows your, ahem....., unwavering support for this forum. simms got it dead on, PM's children. you really care that damn much if someone calls the animal you love and cherish a pet? all of my dogs are pets. i use them to hunt also. got any new nicknames for that one? this was indeed a spent thread long ago.
Descrepencies (sp?)

[ColbyDogs]

"Petbull" really when you face the facts and brass tacks is just a "PR" name created by some foo foo fluffy wuffy APBT owner that liked the soft sound of PET versus PIT. So basically it has become a popular name for people who own just house dogs because really most 97+ % of APBT owners out there own non game bred or BYB cur dogs or just some old dog that looks like a APBT. So in the long run let them go ahead and make the distinction themselves then by watching them write youll know what they own game bred dogs or sh!t!!! Because someone with gamebred stuff would never use that term and thank god because I think its pretty gay.Dogman I see where your coming from however the folks branded with the Petbull name do not care for it that much. Its more of a dirogatory remark about thier dogs. Calling someone a petbull owner is concidered an insult ,thus the reasonwhy the OP created this thread with the discomfort of the word.

P.S. Bullydogs, I am not calling you one just pointing out what I thought this thread was about.

[misterdogman]

Dogman I see where your coming from however the folks branded with the Petbull name do not care for it that much. Its more of a dirogatory remark about thier dogs. Calling someone a petbull owner is concidered an insult ,thus the reasonwhy the OP created this thread with the discomfort of the word.

P.S. Bullydogs, I am not calling you one just pointing out what I thought this thread was about.See maybe geographical details cause some differences because anyone who has ever saw me or friends or any dog We've ever owned has NEVER just referred to us as a petbull owner casually or as a derogatory statement...Maybe some use that word in some places because they saw that sweet new lingo on their "facespace" or "mybook" crap and thought it was tight....but if your not some emo-petatreehuggin hip wannabe fancy pants homo then you dont go around hollerin at anybody and calling them petbull owners, at least in the places I been. Maybe in like some liberal cities where its hip and fashionable to have a "Petbull" but that seems like almost a unreal movie to me because I dont experiance that stuff in Iowa. When did it become a put down or some way to remove PIT from the name and not just some way to fluff up the breeds image and give a name to the non game bred crosses, I would actually rather aLL people with ALL dogs other than gamebred APBTs call them petbulls, then we wouldnt all argue over blue mutt curs and crap that just looks similar. So theres the deal if it aint gamebred its a petbull if it is its a APBT, we just created it call the ADBA, and us old fashioned Fuc7ers can have our damn breed back and not share with the other wannabes

[FearlessKnight]

I haven't heard about the word petbull till I read this. I guess thats what I have. Gamebred Petbulls! Hilarious! I would still rather have Petbulls than any other breed. Someone once looked at Knarl, shivered and asked me "How can you sleep at night with a 90lb pitbull under the bed?" I said "How do you sleep at night without one!" I don't worry about kidnappers either. If someone were to mess with my kids they wouldn't be screaming petbull. I got a kick out of it. Some people take offence to easy.a 90 pounder is NO GAMEBRED anything......

[Suki]

i, ironically, never even heard this "term" until i came here. i think people use it to refer to the onwers who don't work their dogs, but rather instead, as the dictionary says have "a domesticated animal kept for companionship or amusement"

or

"A pet is an animal kept for companionship and enjoyment, as opposed to livestock, laboratory animals, working animals or sport animals,...".

no matter to me~i consider all my animals to be my pets. no big deal, imo and not worth getting in a huff over.

[MinorThreat]

"IMHO its very insulting to individuals who do not par take in certain activities with there dogs. This is not a personal attack against anyone...i just think its a unfair/ and a bad choice of terminology to label someone else's dog in this manner." (Bullybreeds)


That is crying and basis of your thread

[bullydogs]

"IMHO its very insulting to individuals who do not par take in certain activities with there dogs. This is not a personal attack against anyone...i just think its a unfair/ and a bad choice of terminology to label someone else's dog in this manner." (Bullybreeds)


That is crying and basis of your threadWell, i did not know that voicing an opinion was crying. Thanks for letting me know.:rolleyes: Well, its obvious that you are set in your ways. Also you quoted the wrong person. Its bullydogs not (bullybreeds). My intentions were not to start arguments. There are numerous posts.. describing the point i was trying to convey.

[bahamutt99]

Sometimes its best to just let designation-slingers believe what they believe and go about your merry. If you worry too much about what other people think, its a bad idea to get involved with this breed in the first place. Just let it roll off your back. (I know that can be rough sometimes because people are determined to get your fighting blood up.) You know what you've got, you feed it, so who cares what anybody else thinks? I've been around this maypole before, and the point is, I know the value of what I keep, and that's the only thing that's important.

That's my PSA for the day. :)

[Grizzly]

See maybe geographical details cause some differences because anyone who has ever saw me or friends or any dog We've ever owned has NEVER just referred to us as a petbull owner casually or as a derogatory statement...Maybe some use that word in some places because they saw that sweet new lingo on their "facespace" or "mybook" crap and thought it was tight....but if your not some emo-petatreehuggin hip wannabe fancy pants homo then you dont go around hollerin at anybody and calling them petbull owners, at least in the places I been. Maybe in like some liberal cities where its hip and fashionable to have a "Petbull" but that seems like almost a unreal movie to me because I dont experiance that stuff in Iowa. When did it become a put down or some way to remove PIT from the name and not just some way to fluff up the breeds image and give a name to the non game bred crosses, I would actually rather aLL people with ALL dogs other than gamebred APBTs call them petbulls, then we wouldnt all argue over blue mutt curs and crap that just looks similar. So theres the deal if it aint gamebred its a petbull if it is its a APBT, we just created it call the ADBA, and us old fashioned Fuc7ers can have our damn breed back and not share with the other wannabesAre you upset?

[chinasmom]

They are still not PETBULLS...they are MUTTSI have just skimmed through this post but from what you are saying is if I have a dog, from weight pull, show ring, agility capability parents, and I don't do any of that with my dog, then he is in the petbull catagory? On here I thought the lineage of the dog was important, and his accomplishments made him worthy. If the sire and dam were good breeding stock, then who is to say that my dog is not worthy weather he lays on the couch or plays ball all day in the yard.

[simms]

i, ironically, never even heard this "term" until i came here. i think people use it to refer to the onwers who don't work their dogs, but rather instead, as the dictionary says have "a domesticated animal kept for companionship or amusement"

or

"A pet is an animal kept for companionship and enjoyment, as opposed to livestock, laboratory animals, working animals or sport animals,...".

no matter to me~i consider all my animals to be my pets. no big deal, imo and not worth getting in a huff over.I use the term. I use it when reffering to how an animal is being kept or bred. This usualy only comes up when I read about an attack/mauling in a residential area or a pack of "pitbulls". Or they dare try to critque how a yard should be kept...LOL

Those type of incedents are still on the rise and cause more public kaos than MV ever thought of doing. You see you have to be more than just a pet owner . You have to become a resposible APBT owner.

[simms]

I have just skimmed through this post but from what you are saying is if I have a dog, from weight pull, show ring, agility capability parents, and I don't do any of that with my dog, then he is in the petbull catagory? On here I thought the lineage of the dog was important, and his accomplishments made him worthy. If the sire and dam were good breeding stock, then who is to say that my dog is not worthy weather he lays on the couch or plays ball all day in the yard.
Dont let this thread confuse you......

[DryCreek]

Interesting thread LOL.

It appears you need to be thick skinned to own these dogs, the government is working against us, ARA's are working against us, the Media is working against us, and lo and behold, we work against each other. :rolleyes:

I've seen more insulting terms than "pet bull" thrown around this and many other sites. ;)

"Pet Bull" is a slang term for a companion APBT

"Pit Bull" is slang for any dog that attacks someone.

"American Pit Bull Terrier" is the "official" name for this breed and I wish everyone would respect the dogs enough to use it.

AST's, SBT's and the many other look a like breeds are not included in the breed named American Pit Bull Terrier though they are now considered "Pit Bull Types". :confused:

And, unfortunately, "Banned" is the legal term used when they try to remove any possibility of our breed being able to continue their existance, precarious as it is.:mad:

Anyways, I want to address a comment that was made that I feel needs to be corrected....

some people think if your pit bull is to friendly this makes him or her less of the breed. i would much rather have a man friendly pit than a man biter
I hope I never run into anyone who actually honestly feels this way, I'd likely run up one side of them and down the other and give them a proper education about the breed. It would NOT be a pleasant experience for them!

These dogs were NEVER meant to be man aggressive, gladiators yes, human intolerant, definately NOT. Anyone who feels differently needs to get out of the breed NOW.

I'd like anyone here to actually name a responsible breeder/owner who actually believes that tripe. :rolleyes:

[SMOKIN HEMI]

Interesting thread LOL.

It appears you need to be thick skinned to own these dogs, the government is working against us, ARA's are working against us, the Media is working against us, and lo and behold, we work against each other. :rolleyes:

I've seen more insulting terms than "pet bull" thrown around this and many other sites. ;)

"Pet Bull" is a slang term for a companion APBT

"Pit Bull" is slang for any dog that attacks someone.

"American Pit Bull Terrier" is the "official" name for this breed and I wish everyone would respect the dogs enough to use it.

AST's, SBT's and the many other look a like breeds are not included in the breed named American Pit Bull Terrier though they are now considered "Pit Bull Types". :confused:

And, unfortunately, "Banned" is the legal term used when they try to remove any possibility of our breed being able to continue their existance, precarious as it is.:mad:

Anyways, I want to address a comment that was made that I feel needs to be corrected....


I hope I never run into anyone who actually honestly feels this way, I'd likely run up one side of them and down the other and give them a proper education about the breed. It would NOT be a pleasant experience for them!

These dogs were NEVER meant to be man aggressive, gladiators yes, human intolerant, definately NOT. Anyone who feels differently needs to get out of the breed NOW.

I'd like anyone here to actually name a responsible breeder/owner who actually believes that tripe. :rolleyes:

Good Post DC

[Michele]

Yes, they were.I beleive they were originally bred to take down hogs. When that became illegal, then they were bred for the pit.

If I'm off base here, someone please let me know. Thanks.


If I go out tomorrow and get a Colby dog, that dog, be it house dog, working dog, is an APBT.

If I go out tomorrow and get a apbt from a shelter, I really would not know, and neither would the shelter, what that dog's bloodlines are. Therefore, I would have to call that dog a mix. Now if that same dog had papers to back up the bloodlines, that dog would be a apbt.

I personally, would have no problem calling the dog a pit bull, a pet bull. Who really cares. It's your dog and you can call it whatever you want to call it.

Am I making sense?

[Suki]

You see you have to be more than just a pet owner . You have to become a resposible APBT owner.
very true. and i consider myself to be both! ;)

[FearlessKnight]

I have just skimmed through this post but from what you are saying is if I have a dog, from weight pull, show ring, agility capability parents, and I don't do any of that with my dog, then he is in the petbull catagory? On here I thought the lineage of the dog was important, and his accomplishments made him worthy. If the sire and dam were good breeding stock, then who is to say that my dog is not worthy weather he lays on the couch or plays ball all day in the yard.not really what I said at all.........
I believe (without going back to make sure) I said....
If they were bred for color or size or heads or mouths or coats or tails or anything other that what they were supposed to be bred for...they are most likey mixed with something else to get what they BYB's want to make a buck, which in my book would put them in the class of mutts......
I never said show dogs were mutts.....gamebred dogs can be shown too.....

[Grizzly]

Interesting thread LOL.

It appears you need to be thick skinned to own these dogs, the government is working against us, ARA's are working against us, the Media is working against us, and lo and behold, we work against each other. :rolleyes:

I've seen more insulting terms than "pet bull" thrown around this and many other sites. ;)

"Pet Bull" is a slang term for a companion APBT

"Pit Bull" is slang for any dog that attacks someone.

"American Pit Bull Terrier" is the "official" name for this breed and I wish everyone would respect the dogs enough to use it.

AST's, SBT's and the many other look a like breeds are not included in the breed named American Pit Bull Terrier though they are now considered "Pit Bull Types". :confused:

And, unfortunately, "Banned" is the legal term used when they try to remove any possibility of our breed being able to continue their existance, precarious as it is.:mad:

Anyways, I want to address a comment that was made that I feel needs to be corrected....


I hope I never run into anyone who actually honestly feels this way, I'd likely run up one side of them and down the other and give them a proper education about the breed. It would NOT be a pleasant experience for them!

These dogs were NEVER meant to be man aggressive, gladiators yes, human intolerant, definately NOT. Anyone who feels differently needs to get out of the breed NOW.

I'd like anyone here to actually name a responsible breeder/owner who actually believes that tripe. :rolleyes:A very good and true post!

[LuvinBullies]

You guys in the mood for a little irony? I'm a "petbull" owner and yes I throw the term around quite a bit. Bullydogs it's only negative when attached to someone who has no business owning an APBT. Also, pretty please reread my little addendum from the site rules here:
This is a gamedog site and it always will be first and foremost. However, ALL Pit Bull owners are welcome and encouraged to come here in an effort to educate everyone about gamedogs and general APBT behavior. That includes some categories which may not be your personal choice. Do NOT contribute to the Gamedog/Pet/Blue debate and do not flame someone for their personal taste. New members: If your preference is a bulldog category other than the gamebred/working APBT please understand there may be limited interest in your posts. Keep your posts of a more general nature if you want positive feedback. All members: If you feel someone is completely out of their element encourage them to stay and learn about the REAL American Pit Bull Terrier.

Personally I feel that's all that really needs to be said here, but I'll allow the thread to stay open for a little while longer since it's remained amazingly civil and people seem to be getting some things off their respective chests and sorted out. :)

[bullydogs]

Bullybreeds(bullydogs) it's only negative when attached to someone who has no business owning an APBT.Well i disagree, but i wish that was true. I do apologize for starting this thread. I just wish everyone would try understand that we all share a common interest/love...the APBT.

However, there will always be a few people out there. That feel the need to bash or look down upon peope for no good reason...just because they have show dogs, or there APBT is only a housedog,etc. I respect everyone, every person is entitled to an opinion, if anyone feels that i was disrespectful...well then you have my apologies.

[LuvinBullies]

Well i disagree, but i wish that was true. I do apologize for starting this thread. I just wish everyone would try understand that we all share a common interest/love...the APBT.

However, there will always be a few people out there. That feel the need to bash or look down upon peope for no good reason...just because they have show dogs, or there APBT is only a housedog,etc. I respect everyone, every person is entitled to an opinion, if anyone feels that i was disrespectful...well then you have my apologies.In no way were you disrespectful...no sweat. ;) Oh, sorry about the name thing, I went back and edited it :o

[Hardhead]

I beleive they were originally bred to take down hogs. When that became illegal, then they were bred for the pit.

If I'm off base here, someone please let me know. Thanks.


If I go out tomorrow and get a Colby dog, that dog, be it house dog, working dog, is an APBT.

If I go out tomorrow and get a apbt from a shelter, I really would not know, and neither would the shelter, what that dog's bloodlines are. Therefore, I would have to call that dog a mix. Now if that same dog had papers to back up the bloodlines, that dog would be a apbt.

I personally, would have no problem calling the dog a pit bull, a pet bull. Who really cares. It's your dog and you can call it whatever you want to call it.

Am I making sense?
Hello,

I'm just letting you know that you're off base as you asked to be informed if it so happened.

-J

[Michele]

Hello,

I'm just letting you know that you're off base as you asked to be informed if it so happened.

-J
Explain your opinion please and back it up with historic reference, please. thanks.

[Grizzly]

Explain your opinion please and back it up with historic reference, please. thanks. In the pitbulls original creation it was the result of crossing bull-baiting bulldogs with terriers ( such as the White terrier). This was done after bull-baiting was outlawed in England because the bigger heavier bulldog did not have the stamina and endurance for dogfighting which caught on after bull-baiting ended. They were called Bull and Terrier dogs. They had the strength and high pain resistance of the bulldog and endurance of the terrier. But...when the dogs were brought to America they were again crossbred with larger type dogs to increase their size and were used for hunting and guarding along with fighting.

[Michele]

In the pitbulls original creation it was the result of crossing bull-baiting bulldogs with terriers ( such as the White terrier). This was done after bull-baiting was outlawed in England because the bigger heavier bulldog did not have the stamina and endurance for dogfighting which caught on after bull-baiting ended. They were called Bull and Terrier dogs. They had the strength and high pain resistance of the bulldog and endurance of the terrier. But...when the dogs were brought to America they were again crossbred with larger type dogs to increase their size and were used for hunting and guarding along with fighting.
Thank you.

[crawfish407]

Poor Knarl. He will be so disapointed to find out his weight affects his gameness.

[ladybanker462]

what does it really matter what another person calls your dog or thinks about what makes him game or not .does it change the way you feel about your dog no it does not nor does it change the way your dog feels toward you . everyone is entitled to their own
thoughts and ideas you just have tto read through them and use what you feel might help your situation. but most of all just love your dog and be proud of what ever he or she does

[Red Cocaine]

In the pitbulls original creation it was the result of crossing bull-baiting bulldogs with terriers ( such as the White terrier). This was done after bull-baiting was outlawed in England because the bigger heavier bulldog did not have the stamina and endurance for dogfighting which caught on after bull-baiting ended. They were called Bull and Terrier dogs. They had the strength and high pain resistance of the bulldog and endurance of the terrier. But...when the dogs were brought to America they were again crossbred with larger type dogs to increase their size and were used for hunting and guarding along with fighting.Partly true but not all of it, Fighting bulldogs were around and used at same time in history as baiting bulldogs and some were used as both, on top of that these bulldogs were around 40 to 60lbs the same weight we see in the modern fighting dog.

[Grizzly]

Partly true but not all of it, Fighting bulldogs were around and used at same time in history as baiting bulldogs and some were used as both, on top of that these bulldogs were around 40 to 60lbs the same weight we see in the modern fighting dog. What part is not true?

[Red Cocaine]

What part is not true?If you read what I posted you will see where I corrected you Sir.

[Grizzly]

If you read what I posted you will see where I corrected you Sir.
I did not mean to imply that bulldogs were not fought before the end of bull-baiting. Dog fighting goes all the way back to the days of the Roman Empire. I meant that it gained much popularity after bull-baiting was banned and a smaller more athletic dog was desired for fighting.
As far as the question concerning size, yes APBTs today are close in size to the original bulldog, BUT the pitbull as it was bred in Great Britain was a much smaller fighting dog.
Read below....

"However, after the demise of bull baiting as a legal sport, there was no longer the need for the size of dog required for bull baiting the expense required to maintain an animal would have been an obvious factor. Thus there was a trend toward a slightly smaller animal with the same traits of gameness that the bull dog possessed. The quickest way to bring down the size in a very few generations would be the input of the small terrier breeds"......SCOTT E. DOWD Ph.D.

[ColbyDogs]

LB thank you for letting some of us vent. It really doesn't matter or shouldn't matter if you work your dogs or not. If your not doing anything physically with the dog besides throwing a tennis ball around doesn't make you less of an owner in compared to someone who is working thier dogs. The biggest problem I have is when people stand on thier soap box and spout off what poor owners some of us are for, hunting, teathering,breeding and for us respecting the honest dogmen. I mean really, who in the hell are they to tell those in the loop how to run a yard or how to care for thier animals ?

those would be the same people who cram adoption down your throat dress thier dogs up in little outfits and talk mad shit about breeders that they do not even know or would ever know. Most commonlly these same people are new to the breed, what gives them the right to cast judgement on people that have been with the APBT for years and years ? Those are the people that piss me off the most and to them is who I crown the Pet Bull title too.

[misterdogman]

Are you upset?LOL no way if I was mad I would be banned. Once you get to know me you'll see I am just ranting and raving like usual.

[tigerdawg]

The word petbulls doesn't really register on my radar. I know my dog's genetic wiring is different than a Pomeranian's (thank Heaven). I have no desire to go mingle at the doggy park any more than I want to take my kid's to old pinkeye-infested McDonald's PlayPlace. In both places you wind up watching out for other people's kids/dogs while they yak it up on the cell phone.

My dog is not a Golden Retriever. I have no problem with that. I respect my dog for what he is. If that makes me have to become that much more responsible for him, that's okay. I realized that when I adopted him.

My dog is 100% sound with my kids-can't say that for my neighbor's Border-cross. My dog carries himself with the attitude that he has nothing to prove. I like that in a dog or a person. He knows he's all that!

If my dog is called a petbull because he's from the shelter and therefore of unknown lineage and I can't rattle off his pedigree- then so be it. I don't have anything to prove either.

[LuvinBullies]

Thank you Tiger Dawg for bringing this back on topic. A history thread would be fun to start, though...

This thread is circling the drain pretty fast, if anyone else has anything else they feel the need to express then get it in soon...;)

[Grizzly]

Thank you Tiger Dawg for bringing this back on topic. A history thread would be fun to start, though...

This thread is circling the drain pretty fast, if anyone else has anything else they feel the need to express then get it in soon...;)
DONE!!!!!!!!!!

[BoogiemanBlood]

Thank you Tiger Dawg for bringing this back on topic. A history thread would be fun to start, though...

This thread is circling the drain pretty fast, if anyone else has anything else they feel the need to express then get it in soon...;) it's not circling any faster than it was from the very start

[LuvinBullies]

LOL- thread closed.