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crawfish407

12-08-2007, 06:08 PM

First I want to say I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. That being said I recently encountered yet another marine with an English Bulldog tattoo. I am pretty sure Sgt. Stubby was not a bulldog. Then I saw a commercial with a Dauchund wrapped in an American flag. I was disapointed. I may be wrong. I hope I'm wrong! But it just seems like the U.S. Marines are trying to disasociate themselves from the APBT. What do ya'll think?

ABK

12-08-2007, 06:15 PM

The Marines left the APBT a LONG time ago. The Eng. Bulldog has been their official mascot for as long as I can remember.

As for Stubby, while APBT entusiasts like to claim he is a pit bull, his breeding was actually unknown. In fact, by looking at various pictures of him I believe that his breeding reflects more of a Boston terrier or Boxer ancestry than APBT.

Further, I think he was not a Marine mascot, but an Army one. Here is a nice link on Stubby:

http://www.governorsfootguard.com/stubby/

SLICK WILLIE

12-08-2007, 09:09 PM

Me being One, My take on the issue is this, the Marines should have never used the worthless fat tub of crap as a Mascot! Also the last Marine Corps Times ran an issue about dangerous dogs and should they be ban from Base Housing. Title was "Big Bad Dogs" the photo was of a snarling APBT lundging at something but the inside story was about a Rottie that attacked a little girl! Not a APBT a Rottie, what kind of bullshit was that? Even the dumbass Marine's can't report without bashing the breed! I'll send them Fothermuckers a little hate mail later for that one!!! Ooorah My Ass...

First I want to say I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. That being said I recently encountered yet another marine with an English Bulldog tattoo. I am pretty sure Sgt. Stubby was not a bulldog. Then I saw a commercial with a Dauchund wrapped in an American flag. I was disapointed. I may be wrong. I hope I'm wrong! But it just seems like the U.S. Marines are trying to disasociate themselves from the APBT. What do ya'll think?

Bullyson

12-08-2007, 09:28 PM

I'd give you rep for that one but....well......you know.Me being One, My take on the issue is this, the Marines should have never used the worthless fat tub of crap as a Mascot! Also the last Marine Corps Times ran an issue about dangerous dogs and should they be ban from Base Housing. Title was "Big Bad Dogs" the photo was of a snarling APBT lundging at something but the inside story was about a Rottie that attacked a little girl! Not a APBT a Rottie, what kind of bullshit was that? Even the dumbass Marine's can't report without bashing the breed! I'll send them Fothermuckers a little hate mail later for that one!!! Ooorah My Ass...

ABK

12-09-2007, 10:06 AM

Yeah, know. I wrote that TV program "Mail Call" once & asked why the USMC used an Eng. Bulldog instead of an AMERICAN Bulldog as their mascot. Surely the AMERICAN bulldog would seem more appropriate to me as a mascot for an AMERICAN branch of the military than an ENGLISH bulldog.

I never got a response back.

simms

12-09-2007, 11:31 AM

Hey, someone should send in that pic of lil bit pulling that tank!

Michele

12-09-2007, 11:47 AM

Here's the story of Sgt. Stubby:

http://www.governorsfootguard.com/stubby/

Searcy Jeff

12-09-2007, 10:05 PM

SLICK WILLIE

12-09-2007, 10:29 PM

Sometimes I do also, but I have to hang around a bit longer to draw that Ret. check!!!I hate Marines :p

chinasmom

12-10-2007, 01:02 AM

chinasmom

12-10-2007, 01:21 AM

Another post of Stubby. Some say unknown origin others Bull Terrier.

http://www.uswardogs.org/id16.html

ABK

12-10-2007, 07:05 AM

I would think the link from the Conneticut Footguard would be the mot reliable, since they were the unit who had Stubby. So I will maintain his ancestry was unknown, although IMO he looks more like a Boxer than anything.

Searcy Jeff

12-10-2007, 08:49 AM

Sometimes I do also, but I have to hang around a bit longer to draw that Ret. check!!!LMFAO! I hear you on that.

SLICK WILLIE

12-10-2007, 09:38 AM

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my beloved Marine Corps but there is always that 10% of knuckle-heads that speak or po-lo-tic things they know nothing about! Reporters!!!

LMFAO! I hear you on that.

Searcy Jeff

12-10-2007, 10:20 AM

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my beloved Marine Corps but there is always that 10% of knuckle-heads that speak or po-lo-tic things they know nothing about! Reporters!!!Yes the public relations staff...how can I forget them? Walking around in flaks and kevlars snapping pictures with their cameras. Some have good intentions but don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on.

SLICK WILLIE

12-10-2007, 10:43 AM

Yep! Hit the nail right on the head!!!Yes the public relations staff...how can I forget them? Walking around in flaks and kevlars snapping pictures with their cameras. Some have good intentions but don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on.

ghost 1

12-10-2007, 03:38 PM

hell we have them out here in civilian world too,,, u know the ones that should have been culled and not breed back into society,,,lol,,,stupid is as stupid does,,, i started to get into the miltary years ago but because i got in some serious trouble i couldn't,,, silly really but oh well,,,thanks to all who do serve for us,,,thanks Slick

hrdeluxe

12-10-2007, 03:52 PM

The Germans called the Marines "devil dogs" in 1918 because they couldn't kill them. They just kept coming and coming back. Someone had an English Bulldog over there and they adopted the look and made it look tough by adding spikes and a helmet in posters and cartoons. This became the unofficial mascot. Back when this happened the EB was still a functioning animal and not a drooling lazy POS. Many of the little mascots had a problem with authority and actually chased and bit people. Much like some Marines.

A co-worker of mine who is a Vietnam vet and Marine provided this infomation.

Marty

12-10-2007, 08:44 PM

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my beloved Marine Corps but there is always that 10% of knuckle-heads that speak or po-lo-tic things they know nothing about! Reporters!!!Hey SLICK, take this picture in and ask if they would consider her as a mascot lol

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/Lilbit/pit_bull_pull1.jpg

simms

12-10-2007, 09:26 PM

Hey SLICK, take this picture in and ask if they would consider her as a mascot lol

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/Lilbit/pit_bull_pull1.jpg
Marty, be hard for you to top that pic. Lilbit is the sh%t!

misterdogman

12-10-2007, 09:31 PM

Hey SLICK, take this picture in and ask if they would consider her as a mascot lol

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/Lilbit/pit_bull_pull1.jpgI asked and they said NO. Shes too bad ass for the military and she might scare muslims in Iraq. Especially if she flexes.

Marty

12-10-2007, 09:36 PM

LOL, my father and two of my brothers served in the Marines but I could not because of a busted ear drum :(, at the time I thought they were bad a$$ but now I wonder.

Suki

12-10-2007, 09:40 PM

My Dad's a Marine, so i grew up having the utmost respect for them. Still has that "sargeant way" about him, to this very day....

and yeah, "Thanks" slick... :) ...

shiner51506

12-12-2007, 03:11 PM

Me being One, My take on the issue is this, the Marines should have never used the worthless fat tub of crap as a Mascot! Also the last Marine Corps Times ran an issue about dangerous dogs and should they be ban from Base Housing. Title was "Big Bad Dogs" the photo was of a snarling APBT lundging at something but the inside story was about a Rottie that attacked a little girl! Not a APBT a Rottie, what kind of bullshit was that? Even the dumbass Marine's can't report without bashing the breed! I'll send them Fothermuckers a little hate mail later for that one!!! Ooorah My Ass...I agree, and to get a bit off topic, why is it that there is almost NEVER an attack/bite that is "news-worthy" where they do not blame pits? Recently here in michigan there were 3 deaths in one week, one a child killed by a rott and 2 adults from a pack of american bulldogs... yet the news felt the need to run stories on how horrible pit bulls are.

coolhandjean

12-12-2007, 03:46 PM

I agree, and to get a bit off topic, why is it that there is almost NEVER an attack/bite that is "news-worthy" where they do not blame pits? Recently here in michigan there were 3 deaths in one week, one a child killed by a rott and 2 adults from a pack of american bulldogs... yet the news felt the need to run stories on how horrible pit bulls are.My boyfriend and I were talking about that the other day. Unfornately there were two "pit bull attacks" in Charlotte within a week of each other. This is how the news report went, "When the Pit bull attacked...The Pit bull's owner...The Pit bull did..." There was also a small child a month or so ago that was killed by two german shepards, this is how that news report went, "When the dogs attacked...The dogs' owner....The dogs..." When it's a "pit bull" in the news, the breed's name is said over and over, when it's another breed, suddenly it's just a dog...

My brother is a Marine (no longer active). "Once a Marine, always a Marine." I still have the utmost respect for those in the Marines, (well all military branches, but more specifically the Marines). I have many friends currently in the Marines, and they are all around great people, who just radiate respect and diginity.

Mr.Billfold

12-13-2007, 09:34 PM

I will put it to you guys this way. I was once called a "New Marine" by everyone when I joined. Thats how all of us start.....with shit rolling downhill.

This was 1995. That was kind of a changing time in the Corps. The Marine Corps was becoming more of a politically charged moster than it really should have been.
Blood wing scandals made Recon look ridiculous,and things changed. The Army had some serious orgy action going on at APG around that time.

I remember clearly that every time our squadron had a NCO of the quarter board, our females always took it. Not saying they didnt deserve it, but I am not saying they did.

The point I should jump back to is that if you look at how fast the Army took Baghdad in the beginning of the war, it was the First Reconnaissance Battalion Marines who were the northernmost boots on the ground for that invasion, basically drawing fire and smoothing the Army and the advance to Baghdad.
Yes, they kicked ass, but it shows that teh Corps is all about politics, and people chasing stars.

WHy were some of the best warfighters in the Corps pulling a mission of which 90% primarily took place on humvees? SOme armored up, some hastily armored.....
Riding through streets just getting chewed up?

Well, their full bird wanted a star.

For me, the Corps is, at the end of the day, about the guy/gal next to you. Not the politics that run rampant.

I know the liasons for the sailors and Marines who come to Ft. Benning to train. There was a time a few years back when the Top would run the fatbodies who couldnt pass the Airborne PT test in formation runs with his APBT. The dog would nudge the slow pokes by getting right next to their legs and running faster.

The EB lookng thing has always been around, at least tattooed to many a Jarhead.
Even with the change of generations going in now, I will say that a basically trained Marine is more disciplined than any other basic trainee. Its up to their NCOs and command whether or not they stay that way.

There are some really squared away guys training here who wanted to join the Marines, but couldnt get in because they had a GED, or the wrong tattoo.

The USMC has not abandoned their mascot, but they have fallen in line with the other branches of service, and abandoned some of the standard.

There are these Marines showing up here for Airborne school and cant even pass the PT. It's embarrasing to the Marines who are there, being squared away and representing.

misterdogman

12-13-2007, 09:51 PM

YES I think they have, now Mascots are just propaganda machines.

Searcy Jeff

12-14-2007, 09:40 AM

I don't know about you Slick but I hate to see the words "Marines" and "abandoned" being used in the same sentence.

ABK

12-14-2007, 06:06 PM

I'm gonna get a little OT here but I have to share ...

I remember when I was in Korea & we were doing a multi-service excercise. Kunsan was an AFB & we had a few Army attachments on site w/ us, but the Marines were our "guests of honor." Their units were posted on the shores of the Yellow sea, but one day they got to come up to Kunsan. A friend & myself took a couple of them to the NCO club. We had a pleasant meal but afterward the convo quickly turned to how they were big & bad they were & how much us "zoomies" (Air Force troops) were pu$$ies b/c we didn't spend as much time in the field or if we did, we had some creature comforts, etc. When it got close to time for them to go back to the beach one Marine NCO pulled myself & a friend of mine aside & whispered "Can we use your showers? We haven't had a hot shower in days." We told them "Naw, you wouldn't want a hot shower. Hot showers are for us Air Force pu$$ies" & sent them on their way! :D

OK, now back OT ...

I just happened to run across a book about Sgt. Stubby in the library today. I don't recall the name of the book or author right off hand, but it listed Stubby a mix breed dog who most closely resembled a Boston Terrier & that he was the mascot of a Conneticut "Yankee" U.S. Army unit, not a Marine unit.

buzhunter

12-17-2007, 01:51 AM

I don't really post much on this forum, mainly because I would consider myself a student not qualified to add my .02 on many of the topics. However I would like to express my appreciation for every one of the soldiers over there, no matter what branch they serve. Some may be doing more or less than the others but every one of them are sacrificing themselves for all of us. This time of year is an especially good time to remember what they are missing at home. As far as the mascot being abandoned goes, I am more disgusted with the way some people in this country have abandoned our troops with the rediculous rules of engagement and the BS court marshalls. Not to mention the anti-war protestors spouting off about peace while we are repeatedly threatened about the consequences we will suffer for doing what needs to be done. To me, that is abandonment. I don't care if the mascot is a poodle, just let them get the job done. UNITED WE STAND...