80lbs Game Bred??

[Scratch & Sniff]

I was looking at Texas Heat Kennels... http://texasheatkennel.tripod.com/
...and I see the dogs range from 60-90lbs!
These are Alligator bloodlines and have Lemaster's Tudor (his Grandson) and many more VERY GAME dogs. I am just shocked at how much they weigh and they don't look "bully" like Razor Edge type dogs.
They look like our dogs(most everyone here gamebred apbt's)
http://texasheatkennel.tripod.com/macho/02b307a0.jpg
http://texasheatkennel.tripod.com/macho/026a33f0.jpg

So my question is are they just taller and don't "show the weight" so much?
...and are these dogs from Texas Heat really these lines/game as they claim?

Puppy I see is selling for $2,500.00 dollars on their website...
...and other puppies range from 1k-2k!

What is up with this, anyone?

Thanks.

[MinorThreat]

I dont see anything shocking about Alligator bred dogs being big catchweight animals

[BoogiemanBlood]

all i can say is i wish i had a dollar for everytime the word alligator was said on that site. maybe somebody who knows this kennel will post something.

[bullydogs]

all i can say is i wish i had a dollar for everytime the word alligator was said on that site. maybe somebody who knows this kennel will post something.I think its because of this dog....

[Bullyson]

I heard of a catchweight show one night back before 1976 from this old man. Went 2 hours and both dogs expired. You can imagine with all that weight being slung around there is some damage being done. Game dogs though IMO. Two hours of trips to hells door and one side picked up. No one quit. Thats game to me.

[yellaman420]

yeah, Alligator dogs are almost always huge like that. 90lbs seems big, but I wouldnt be surprised. The dude I got my main male from had an outcrossed Alligator dog but she was 80lbs cw. Every other alligator Ive personally seen has been catch (65+)

[BoogiemanBlood]

I think its because of this dog....lol yeah i know the dog.........but man they run it in the ground

[FearlessKnight]

all i can say is i wish i had a dollar for everytime the word alligator was said on that site. maybe somebody who knows this kennel will post something. we would then ALL be rich~~~~~~~~~

[Scratch & Sniff]

Yeah lol true @ rich.

I see, wow I was not aware "game lines" ran up that big.
I thought Mayday at 75lbs was huge for a game dog.

I am "shopping/researching" would anyone recommend a LARGE game dog like this?
Are they as high driven and long winded
as the more traditional weight game dogs (35-55 lbs etc)?

I ask because they almost seem to be breeding for SIZE, they post the weights and talk about how BIG the pups should be and how big the heads and chest and bones are... "alligator blood at its best".
He should mature out at 65-70 + lbs.
He has a big head, thick bone structure, we are very
impressed with this pup, and cant wait till he matures!

Alligator blood doesnt come any better than this!!!!

^Example of Texas Heat describing this Oso Negro puppy of theirs.




Thanks!

[Pipbull]

Ya, seems like the whole breeding for size thing. Great think bones, big head, big chest, blah blah blah. If they're trying to change the breed rather than improve it, just another poor breeder out for cash.

*ETA: From the site

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 VSPACE="0" HSPACE="0"><TBODY><TR>UPDATE ON OUR YARD- MARCH 26 2007. We no longer plan on doing breedings for quite a while.</TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 VSPACE="0" HSPACE="0"><TBODY><TR>
Taking deposits now(monday december 3,2007) for a breeding between Oso Negro and Rum.
</TR></TBODY></TABLE>

lol. Man, they were really done breeding for quite a while. I guess quite a while means not constantly having a litter on the ground for sale.

[simms]

Every one has an oppinion,however easy on the kennel bashing. you all are more than welcome to invite Texas heat to conversation.

[lockjaw]

there was a time and a fad for big dogs as the fad for blue dogs..some people got stuck in the fad..wilder,sarona,hemphill,and others throw out big dogs...even mayday was a big dog...some are good accidents some are bred for money..my opinion other than mayday most are short winded..if they dont get the hog in the first half hour they wont..

[ABK]

Yea, you are right Lockjaw, there is always some bloodline or some color, that is the "in" thing.

I must also concur w/ your obervations about big dogs. I have owned both big dogs & small dogs & in my particular case have found big dogs to be much shorter winded.

[Red Cocaine]

If someone like small dogs and has a yard of only small dogs of like blood are they not breeding for size? To keep them at said weight….

When did it become wrong to like big dogs, and perfectly fine to like small traditional ones? and when did it become wrong to keep dogs that just happen to be Big of like breeding?

If they can catch a hogg who cares? Just because something isn’t traditional doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.

If anything physical takes precedence over a good hogg dog then your breeding for something other than a good hogg dog, no matter what the size color shape etc.

They like that blood, they are the ones feeding them, If someone knows that these said dogs are not what they appear to be then someone should speak up, to the Q asked.

To many people in other peoples business and judging over silly things.

Nothing wrong with saying these are healthy sturdy hardy dogs… witch is how I took with what they said.

JMHO
-RC-

[Rocky H. Balboa]

If someone like small dogs and has a yard of only small dogs of like blood are they not breeding for size? To keep them at said weight….

No, you are breeding a family that by happenstand rusn small or big. Other kennels choose adding or reducing size as one of their main priorities (if not main). Those who choose to run different size dogs for weight pulling competition will either have a yard full of different lines or cross extremes from PROVEN stock.

When did it become wrong to like big dogs, and perfectly fine to like small traditional ones? and when did it become wrong to keep dogs that just happen to be Big of like breeding?

It is not wrong to like big or small. IT IS wrong to choose an APBT solely or mainly on size. Size is not what makes an APBT. I am sure you know what is required to qualify for true-to-standard.


If they can catch a hogg who cares? Just because something isn’t traditional doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.
The issue is not even caring about their hog catching ability. This is what is being addressed here.

If anything physical takes precedence over a good hogg dog then your breeding for something other than a good hogg dog, no matter what the size color shape etc.
agreed.

They like that blood, they are the ones feeding them, If someone knows that these said dogs are not what they appear to be then someone should speak up, to the Q asked.

To many people in other peoples business and judging over silly things.

Nothing wrong with saying these are healthy sturdy hardy dogs… witch is how I took with what they said.

JMHO
-RC-
Sure, it is perfectly fine to like a bloodline. it is not correct to sell pups on the skirt of a bloodline. It is very hard to get quality dogs and extremely easy to ruin a family. If you do not have your eye in the right direction, you are going the wrong way.....i like that one...lol.....that is my new proverb.:D

[14rock]

They are decent dogs, as they state "true to type Alligator dogs". Not my cup of tea (entirely too large), but I hear tale they are impressive animals.

[sodamnstreet]

my male was 85# last time he was on the scales at the vet still gaining see the pics

[willypete]

what a load of crapp . alligator dogs are just like any other line of dogs . there are some big ones and some small ones i have had them from 29 pounds to 57 pounds on the chain . some of the biggest game dogs i have seen were mayday dogs but i have also seen a great 65 pound jeep redboy dog and alot of the good eli dog are the bigger ones as far as i have sen anyways.


It is not wrong to like big or small. IT IS wrong to choose an APBT solely or mainly on size. Size is not what makes an APBT. I am sure you know what is required to qualify for true-to-standard.

choose a dog for what ever reason its your dog

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 256162" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2>Yea, you are right Lockjaw, there is always some bloodline or some color, that is the "in" thing.

I must also concur w/ your obervations about big dogs. I have owned both big dogs & small dogs & in my particular case have found big dogs to be much shorter winded.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>12-07-2007 04:25 AM</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


yeah right if you think that then you aint seen to much. some of you people talk about shit you know nothing about . a few of you show dog people wouldnt know a good bulldog if it bit your ass not all of you and i am not saying names but you know who you are . i dont know shit about texas heat . they seem to know as much as most of you people . come on if you dont know anything keep your mouth shut when you talk about shit you know nothing about it shine thru really bright and you look stupid. willypete

[simms]

Willypete ...:)

[Bullyson]

Big time talk right there. :rolleyes: what a load of crapp . alligator dogs are just like any other line of dogs . there are some big ones and some small ones i have had them from 29 pounds to 57 pounds on the chain . some of the biggest game dogs i have seen were mayday dogs but i have also seen a great 65 pound jeep redboy dog and alot of the good eli dog are the bigger ones as far as i have sen anyways.


It is not wrong to like big or small. IT IS wrong to choose an APBT solely or mainly on size. Size is not what makes an APBT. I am sure you know what is required to qualify for true-to-standard.

choose a dog for what ever reason its your dog

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 256162" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2>Yea, you are right Lockjaw, there is always some bloodline or some color, that is the "in" thing.


I must also concur w/ your obervations about big dogs. I have owned both big dogs & small dogs & in my particular case have found big dogs to be much shorter winded.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>12-07-2007 04:25 AM</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


yeah right if you think that then you aint seen to much. some of you people talk about shit you know nothing about . a few of you show dog people wouldnt know a good bulldog if it bit your ass not all of you and i am not saying names but you know who you are . i dont know shit about texas heat . they seem to know as much as most of you people . come on if you dont know anything keep your mouth shut when you talk about shit you know nothing about it shine thru really bright and you look stupid. willypete

[Scratch & Sniff]

I will agree a lot of these "show dogs" are taking it to far...
They are going on the opposite end of the "Bully" type... both are wrong.

[redripper]

One of the best dogs I've ever been around weighed in the high 60's...he was off some CH PLUMBER'S ALLIGATOR (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=380)stuff so I guess it makes sense that the Texas heat dogs could be that big and still good performers. Most of the dogs I have are on the bigger side. It's not like I planned it that way. Every now and then a pup will turn out in the low forties, but on the norm they end up in the 50's. They all come from game stock...so I know it's possible. Once upon a time long before I was born, all our dogs were 35-45 pounds...apparently in the early seventies they started getting bigger. Just so happened that a big dog performed well and he got bred...I guess the genes got passed on. Point is, size doesn't really matter if you're breeding for the right reason. As far as the wind thing goes, I've seen 65 pound dogs with more wind than 35lb dogs and I've seen the other way around. Genetics are a complicated thing. If I remember correctly, Tudor once had a dog that was 70lbs. It can happen. Thing is, with the whole bully craze, true apbt lovers tend to be wary of folks claiming 90lb dogs...and thats understandable, but it would be irresponsible for us to attack anything that isn't 45lbs. The dogs on the Texas Heat site appear to be to conformation. They don't look bully at all. They look long and leggy. The measure of a apbt is performance..(ie athleticism and temperament) neither of which can be seen in a photo. So, unless someone has any firsthand knowledge about what they are running...we can't really have a fruitful discussion about this.

[Scratch & Sniff]

^Exactly! Well played mate.

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11610&highlight=lionhead

^Why was this thread closed?
SweetMisery(owner of Texas Heat Kennels) explained herself without attacking anyone etc. I see her quote... but her post was deleted.
...and she is right many of the Gr Ch, Ch etc... from back in the day were in the 60-75 lbs range. I was looking at the weight of many Tudor dogs as GAME as it gets and they weighed in the 60-70's... just like TexasHeat Kennels.

http://texasheatkennel.tripod.com/macho/021f3ec0.jpg
http://texasheatkennel.tripod.com/macho/02b307a0.jpg

[Rocky H. Balboa]

One of the best dogs I've ever been around weighed in the high 60's...he was off some CH PLUMBER'S ALLIGATOR (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=380)stuff so I guess it makes sense that the Texas heat dogs could be that big and still good performers. Most of the dogs I have are on the bigger side. It's not like I planned it that way. Every now and then a pup will turn out in the low forties, but on the norm they end up in the 50's. They all come from game stock...so I know it's possible. Once upon a time long before I was born, all our dogs were 35-45 pounds...apparently in the early seventies they started getting bigger. Just so happened that a big dog performed well and he got bred...I guess the genes got passed on. Point is, size doesn't really matter if you're breeding for the right reason. As far as the wind thing goes, I've seen 65 pound dogs with more wind than 35lb dogs and I've seen the other way around. Genetics are a complicated thing. If I remember correctly, Tudor once had a dog that was 70lbs. It can happen. Thing is, with the whole bully craze, true apbt lovers tend to be wary of folks claiming 90lb dogs...and thats understandable, but it would be irresponsible for us to attack anything that isn't 45lbs. The dogs on the Texas Heat site appear to be to conformation. They don't look bully at all. They look long and leggy. The measure of a apbt is performance..(ie athleticism and temperament) neither of which can be seen in a photo. So, unless someone has any firsthand knowledge about what they are running...we can't really have a fruitful discussion about this.
That was a good post right there! If "they" would have not taken the rep system away, you would have gotten some props from me for that.

[redripper]

That was a good post right there! If "they" would have not taken the rep system away, you would have gotten some props from me for that.
Thanks for the compliment...when did they take the rep thing away? why did they take it away?

[Scratch & Sniff]

Thanks for the compliment...when did they take the rep thing away? why did they take it away?http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25267
^Will answer you question about the rep system.

[crawfish407]

I have always leaned towards a larger dog. Can't say why. Maybe I'm just lazy and don't want to have to bend over to pet them! Anyways, an average weight of most of mine are 60-70lbs. Although Knarl was close to 90lbs before we had to take his leg off. I keep my dogs loose together in a very large kennel and when I let them loose in the yard they get to "play fighting" and running around and I have seen them pull acrobatic stunts like you wouldn't believe. Trust me, big pitbulls are every bit as agile as the little ones and there is that much more of them to deal with.

[Scratch & Sniff]

I have always leaned towards a larger dog. Can't say why. Maybe I'm just lazy and don't want to have to bend over to pet them! Anyways, an average weight of most of mine are 60-70lbs. Although Knarl was close to 90lbs before we had to take his leg off. I keep my dogs loose together in a very large kennel and when I let them loose in the yard they get to "play fighting" and running around and I have seen them pull acrobatic stunts like you wouldn't believe. Trust me, big pitbulls are every bit as agile as the little ones and there is that much more of them to deal with.^Hi CF, what lines are your dogs from?
any pics and/or peds?

[miakoda]

I keep my dogs loose together in a very large kennel

That's an absolute recipe for disaster. You should know better.