What do you guys think of this ped?

[Bullyson]

I'm looking into getting another dog. Whatcha think???

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=261348

[Bullyson]

Thanks for all the input guys. ;)

[coolhandjean]

I will preface this with, I am a newbie, and I am really new to peds...however, the bottom looks pretty good. The top, I am not that familar with. The dog looks a bit wide, but it might just need a good food and some exercise, because it says it's only 43 lbs...

[jman11]

lots of good dogs in there

bred pretty closley to this one
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=239986

[FourCorners]

I would pick that up and run with it thats a great price off of great dogs.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Fellow, if you like how the dog looks, then take him. I am sure it will make a good PET. Now, if i was looking to do some weight pulling or hog catching.....I would think breeder has already found him to be a cull for those purposes. He is 18 months old......sort of the time frame people start training them for hog catching or weight pull events.

[FourCorners]

I would get in contact with the owner and see if the dog has been touched. But for 500$ for a dog like that i would still get him and sit on him for a little while and try him again at 2 years old.

[Bullyson]

Fellow, if you like how the dog looks, then take him. I am sure it will make a good PET. Now, if i was looking to do some weight pulling or hog catching.....I would think breeder has already found him to be a cull for those purposes. He is 18 months old......sort of the time frame people start training them for hog catching or weight pull events.I agree. I havent talked with the owner, only his brother. He said the dog was on his yard because his bro was going through some domestic difficulties. The dog has been in the woods (supposedly) and done very well.(supposedly) Who knows. I'm waiting on another breeding anyway.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=50160

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=50159

This breeding was done a few years back and an associate of ATK has a gyp thats being bred to one hell of a bulldog from Clay Hill Kennels. The gyp, "Gloria" has been around for a few years and has done very very well in the woods. I've heard stories of her from TripleJ. Her ped looks awsome and from what I understand the sire she's being bred to is retired. IMO, if a dog is retired and still breathing its for a damn good reason. He's pure Redboy/Jocko ;) I've been promised a pup so I think I'll save my spot on the yard for him/her. Can't decide if I want a male or female. Thanks for the input peeps. :)

[MinorThreat]

that last breeding doesnt have any real focus on blood, it maybe two quality dogs being bred but lacks any direction with bloodline and that lowers the percentages IMO. Some would call it a battle cross but I see it as scatterbred.

[JC-Pitbulls]

that last breeding doesnt have any real focus on blood, it maybe two quality dogs being bred but lacks any direction with bloodline and that lowers the percentages IMO. Some would call it a battle cross but I see it as scatterbred.

It 's pretty much and Eli breeding, that may turn out some nice bulldogs

[Bullyson]

That last breeding has been done already. The gyp that we are breeding is off of that line up and she is a bulldog. If there are two very well bred dogs being bred together then how is it scatterbred? Jeep and Eli dont cross well? Or are you saying that the Redboy/Jocko wont cross well with the Jeep/Eli? Any input would be appreciated. that last breeding doesnt have any real focus on blood, it maybe two quality dogs being bred but lacks any direction with bloodline and that lowers the percentages IMO. Some would call it a battle cross but I see it as scatterbred.

[MinorThreat]

wether or not the dogs being bred are quality or not has nothing to do with the term scatterbred. Scatterbred is: Jeep/Chinaman/Bolio/Butcherboy/Rascal as that breeding is. Thats the blood I remember seeing yesterday when I checked the link anyway.

A Cross would be Bolio/Chinaman

Battle cross maybe Bolio/Chinaman/Jeep

I'm not saying anything negative but it is what it is and thats Scatterbred to me, not something I'd get in hopes of a foundation dog or even a brood dog but hope for a show worthy dog.

your best chances are breeding two game dogs and dogs cant read their peds, thats the ol saying, good luck

[Bullyson]

Im not looking for a foundation dog. Just something to play with. wether or not the dogs being bred are quality or not has nothing to do with the term scatterbred. Scatterbred is: Jeep/Chinaman/Bolio/Butcherboy/Rascal as that breeding is. Thats the blood I remember seeing yesterday when I checked the link anyway.

A Cross would be Bolio/Chinaman

Battle cross maybe Bolio/Chinaman/Jeep

I'm not saying anything negative but it is what it is and thats Scatterbred to me, not something I'd get in hopes of a foundation dog or even a brood dog but hope for a show worthy dog.

your best chances are breeding two game dogs and dogs cant read their peds, thats the ol saying, good luck

[misterdogman]

that last breeding doesnt have any real focus on blood, it maybe two quality dogs being bred but lacks any direction with bloodline and that lowers the percentages IMO. Some would call it a battle cross but I see it as scatterbred.not scatterbred

[game_test]

if you trust the seller buy the dog and try it that is a good deal. not everyone is trying to rip you off i just got back a son of my favorite bitch at a year for 500 simply because they wanted to work with thier own stuff and he was taking room. he is a damn good looking dog so far. id go for it but be real patient and let the dog mature for another 6 months or so.

good luck.

[Bullyson]

Right on. Thanks for the input. I dont see that being scatterbred. If a dog has more than 2 bloodlines in its ped its scatterbred????

[jeeperino]

Thats not a scatterbreeding. Its Boyles which is an established bloodline that used a few bloodlines to create the Boyles line of dogs. The breeding itself is a breeding of related dogs. That doesnt make it scatterbred.

[MinorThreat]

I wasnt referring to the boyles

I thought he wanted comments on these two dogs being stuck together

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...hp?dog_id=50160 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=50160)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...hp?dog_id=50159 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=50159)

sorry for ruining the thread

[Mr Mark]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=50159

I wouldn't consider this scatterbred at all. Eli/Carver through different strains that's all.

The dam is 50% Frisco (Eli/Carver) and the rest is Snooty (Carver). The sire is Skull (Eli/Boze & Carver). That's a very nice Eli/Carver breeding right there!

[misterdogman]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=50159

I wouldn't consider this scatterbred at all. Eli/Carver through different strains that's all.

The dam is 50% Frisco (Eli/Carver) and the rest is Snooty (Carver). The sire is Skull (Eli/Boze & Carver). That's a very nice Eli/Carver breeding right there!Exactly!
Like I said, not scatterbred.

[JC-Pitbulls]

It 's pretty much and Eli breeding, that may turn out some nice bulldogs

I told you :D

[Bullyson]

As I posted previously, this breeding has already taken place. It DID turn out some very good dogs. We are breeding a gyp from that breeding to a very accomplished pure Redboy/Jocko dog. Either him or Duke, son of our foundation dog Jigger, who is tight bred Bullyson. I'm leaning towards Duke but I can only throw my weight around so much. ;) Thanks for all the input fellas! DJ.

[EastTexas]

If you know that it has been a high percentage proven cross then go with it. Pretty paper's and Champion names don't always make Champion pups. Look at the name's that people post about and discuss all day long, Where are they're litter mates, where are they're pups that didn't make a name for them self? You may have a litter of 10 and only 1 or 2 make Champion. They say paper's have been being hung for generations, so if the previous cross has been one that you like and it produced high percentage result's then that's what you should go with.