info Tom Garner

[vacaroz]

i`m interested to buy in the future a puppi from tom garner. but i would like to know yours opinion about his dogs, who is the best reproducer in his iard at this moment, somme of his offsprings.
thank`s, best regards

[NcPrisonGuard]

If I had the cash I'd be getting stuff of El Negro..I hear nothing but good things from him. But I just ain't got a grand to drop on a puppy.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=46541



i`m interested to buy in the future a puppi from tom garner. but i would like to know yours opinion about his dogs, who is the best reproducer in his iard at this moment, somme of his offsprings.
thank`s, best regards

[bigcespits]

Honest something very heavy frisco.Ch Dynomite is producing some good dog's.He is producing better dogs then any male he have's in that yard.

[coolhandjean]

Of his pups available right now, this is the one (http://tom-garner-kennels.com/garner-popups/garner-pups/Ch_Dynomite_x_Lady_Princess_07-07.html) I'd love to have. Mainly, because I'd love a heavily Chinaman bred dog, but like NCPG said, I don't have that kind of money to plop down right now...
Here (http://tom-garner-kennels.com/garner-popups/garner-pups.html) are all the pups he has now though, if you want to read what he has to say.

[BoogiemanBlood]

Of his pups available right now, this is the one (http://tom-garner-kennels.com/garner-popups/garner-pups/Ch_Dynomite_x_Lady_Princess_07-07.html) I'd love to have. Mainly, because I'd love a heavily Chinaman bred dog, but like NCPG said, I don't have that kind of money to plop down right now...
Here (http://tom-garner-kennels.com/garner-popups/garner-pups.html) are all the pups he has now though, if you want to read what he has to say.wow only 14 litters........he's cuttin back now days

[BoiBoi]

not to hijack this thread but can someone explain to me this so called contraversy (sp) i've been hearing about the frisco dog, i can't seem to find any info about it

[jman11]

got some off rosco a few months ago, happy with them, who knows though , ive talked to some people who really like his Elmo dog and wouldnt get one of any thing else he has. El negro, dynomite, bolo..... all goood dogs

[ghost 1]

Tom will talk dogs if your seriously interested, he's a nice guy,, i suggest if you are seriously interested go to him,,, i've talked to him on several occassions

[bigcespits]

Of his pups available right now, this is the one (http://tom-garner-kennels.com/garner-popups/garner-pups/Ch_Dynomite_x_Lady_Princess_07-07.html) I'd love to have. Mainly, because I'd love a heavily Chinaman bred dog, but like NCPG said, I don't have that kind of money to plop down right now...
Here (http://tom-garner-kennels.com/garner-popups/garner-pups.html) are all the pups he has now though, if you want to read what he has to say.THEY LOOK GOOD BUT IF I WAS GOING TO GET ONE ILL GO WITH Ch Dynomite x Dyno Lady Pups

[frenchie1936]

wow only 14 litters........he's cuttin back now days

now, i respect TG and everything he has done for the breed. but it seems to me the man ought to find a job doing something other than just breeding. fourteen litters? seriously, if someone you never heard of came on here and said they had fourteen litters, there would be no end to the hostility and name calling. and for all the times i've heard people preaching about not being puppy peddlers, this seems a little out of line. again, i love every dog i have seen from TG's yard, and i am well aware of the accomplishments of his dogs. IMO, he is a man of great talent, but fourteen litters? ...........................

[jr Pit Guy]

now, i respect TG and everything he has done for the breed. but it seems to me the man ought to find a job doing something other than just breeding. fourteen litters? seriously, if someone you never heard of came on here and said they had fourteen litters, there would be no end to the hostility and name calling. and for all the times i've heard people preaching about not being puppy peddlers, this seems a little out of line. again, i love every dog i have seen from TG's yard, and i am well aware of the accomplishments of his dogs. IMO, he is a man of great talent, but fourteen litters? ...........................

He is trying to get more dogs on the ROM list LMAO. :rolleyes:

[coolhandjean]

now, i respect TG and everything he has done for the breed. but it seems to me the man ought to find a job doing something other than just breeding. fourteen litters? seriously, if someone you never heard of came on here and said they had fourteen litters, there would be no end to the hostility and name calling. and for all the times i've heard people preaching about not being puppy peddlers, this seems a little out of line. again, i love every dog i have seen from TG's yard, and i am well aware of the accomplishments of his dogs. IMO, he is a man of great talent, but fourteen litters? ...........................Yeah, I know what you mean. If it was someone else, most people would be mad that they didn't have homes before the breeding even took place as well, but I guess since he is so known for what great dogs he produces, it doesn't take much for him to sell them. I don't know, but I know what you mean.

[Searcy Jeff]

I wouldn't pay that much for a pup...

[BoiBoi]

does anyone else realize what a fortune he makes off of this mass breeding. Do the math if he only sells one pup from each breeding he still makes 14,000, now imagine if he sells every pup from every breeding. He aint no dogman anymore, he's a businessman. And don't get it twisted if u breed any dog enough times it will eventually become ROM, so i don't know if i wanted something off of one of his dogs i would look around and get it from someone else who has had success with the offspring, i don't think i would ever get it directly from him

[coolhandjean]

does anyone else realize what a fortune he makes off of this mass breeding. Do the math if he only sells one pup from each breeding he still makes 14,000, now imagine if he sells every pup from every breeding. He aint no dogman anymore, he's a businessman. And don't get it twisted if u breed any dog enough times it will eventually become ROM, so i don't know if i wanted something off of one of his dogs i would look around and get it from someone else who has had success with the offspring, i don't think i would ever get it directly from himI would like a heavily chinaman bred dog. If I could find one else where, I definitely would, because call me cheap, but even when I have the money, I will find it hard to bring myself to pay that much for a pup, and like many people have said in this group, the papers don't make the dog....That being said, if anyone knows any good breeders with that line, let me know. lol.

[jr Pit Guy]

And don't get it twisted if u breed any dog enough times it will eventually become ROM,
Exactly what I was saying... in a sarcastic way. I don't know him personally, but it seems as if he is just riding on the fame of his name. In the end, he's just becoming another peddler to me. Don't get me wrong, he didn't get famous by producing crap, but he really needs to think about all of this breeding.

[ColbyDogs]

My brother has a male bred down off of Frisco. I can tell you Cody is one hell of a hog dog. I would not have a problem buying a dog off of TG in the future.

On a side note, just because it appears that he is raking in the bucks doesn't mean it all stays in his pockets. Anyone who runs a large yard of dogs knows that the up keep can be costly and could be concidered a full time job and probably is.

JMHO

[kane85]

wow only 14 litters........he's cuttin back now days
14 litters wow all I have to say in the words of the grate dave chappelle is "I'AM RICH BITCH" :D

[rocco]

14 litters wow all I have to say in the words of the grate dave chappelle is "I'AM RICH BITCH" :DROFLMAO my bad that just tickled me

[jman11]

some things you folks are not looking at
1. upkeep of a yard his size (?400 dogs? <---read that somewhere, dont quote me)
2. he does not sell ALL of the pups, after reading his current breedings it looks like half or less of every breeding, keeping the rest for his program
3.he is only breeding proven dogs, keeping the ROM issue aside, he is not and has not from what i have seen, breed garbage or unworthy dogs.
4. game dog circle is a very tight one, some people do not have accesibility to go get a working dog any time they would like, would you rather people just buy junk scatterbred or blue dogs? (some might argue that if you arent in the circle you shouldnt have a working dog...)
5.assuming the 400 dogs on his yard (on which i have heard he maintains meticulously) is it too much to think he has 7 good males and 7 good female worth breeding??? more realisticly, 14 good females and 3-5 good males.... i think so..

not to mention that its obvious that the man has devoted his life to the bulldogs... i dont think he would want to do anything to hurt the breed? who knows?

now dont get me wrong 14 litters is a lot, but for someone like him i dont think it is anything to be concerned about, just more likley that we will have chinaman blood 25 years from now. about the price... 900 for a male... not to bad. prices go up after time...inlation is what that is called... and 3% a year is the rate it is rising at, not to mention the 900 is alot different in different parts of the country.... my old place in S.Dakota was 400 a month.. now in CA im lookin at 2800 a month... kind of makes a 900 dollar dog such a big deal huh

my 2 cents take it or leave it:)

[Dred Lok Kennels]

14 litters I was aways taught that you make a breeding to maintain or better your yard you sell some if you don't have the space to keep them all and I do mean SOME maybe he needs to cut back on those 400 bulldogs, now I'm by no means Tom G. (nor do I want to be) he at one time was one of the top dogmen in the Country but it doesn't take a rocket Sc. to see what this is....

[game_test]

what ever happened to mind your own damn business? there are so many judgemental folks on this board, some of you have a lot of nerve. you aint feeding nothing worth a damn and probably never will and yet you have the nerve to judge and question a legend in the game. mr garner takes very good care of his animals and has the resources to do what he is doing. he also has one the the greatest public stud line ups that allow newbies like most of you folks on this board to even own a great animal and not get someone elses garbage.

mr garner breeds bulldogs. if anyone wants to question what he is doing do it with him on the phone not on some random thread where he cant defend his name.

his web address is gamedog.info if any of you want to join and question the man go ahead. until then try having some respect.

[screamin'eagle]

not to hijack this thread but can someone explain to me this so called contraversy (sp) i've been hearing about the frisco dog, i can't seem to find any info about it
It didn't look like any else answered so...the short of it was that there was a challenge within the ABDA world where it was alleged that some of the dogs that TG said were sired by Frisco were actually from other breedings. TG denied it, and the ABDA wanted him to to DNA testing on all of the dogs in question to prove it. He declined, and the ABDA stop registering dogs off of Frisco. So TG starts the Sporting Dog Registry.

[The Watcher]

lots of ignorance, animosity and possibly jealousy in this bibble babble.now, i respect TG and everything he has done for the breed. but it seems to me the man ought to find a job doing something other than just breeding. fourteen litters? seriously, if someone you never heard of came on here and said they had fourteen litters, there would be no end to the hostility and name calling. and for all the times i've heard people preaching about not being puppy peddlers, this seems a little out of line. again, i love every dog i have seen from TG's yard, and i am well aware of the accomplishments of his dogs. IMO, he is a man of great talent, but fourteen litters? ...........................

[Dred Lok Kennels]

what ever happened to mind your own damn business? there are so many judgemental folks on this board, some of you have a lot of nerve. you aint feeding nothing worth a damn and probably never will and yet you have the nerve to judge and question a legend in the game. mr garner takes very good care of his animals and has the resources to do what he is doing. he also has one the the greatest public stud line ups that allow newbies like most of you folks on this board to even own a great animal and not get someone elses garbage.

mr garner breeds bulldogs. if anyone wants to question what he is doing do it with him on the phone not on some random thread where he cant defend his name.

his web address is gamedog.info if any of you want to join and question the man go ahead. until then try having some respect.
I can't speak for anyone whos post is before mine but it sounds like you have a opinioun yourself don't put everyone in the same catagory I have taked to the man (for my part) me and an old partner sent a GOOD bulldog to him and got fucked but thats another story even with all that I still think he was a Great dogman but now it is what it is....

[Suki]

Just a reminder to NOT bash those who are not here to defend themselves...

tx

[frenchie1936]

It didn't look like any else answered so...the short of it was that there was a challenge within the ABDA world where it was alleged that some of the dogs that TG said were sired by Frisco were actually from other breedings. TG denied it, and the ABDA wanted him to to DNA testing on all of the dogs in question to prove it. He declined, and the ABDA stop registering dogs off of Frisco. So TG starts the Sporting Dog Registry.

well, with such a reputable record it isn't hard to see why some people are all over his nuts. hope you're gettin paid. :)

[Dred Lok Kennels]

Just a reminder to NOT bash those who are not here to defend themselves...

tx

You right, my words should really have stayed to myself I'm out of it I've had my say many years ago...

[coolhandjean]

some things you folks are not looking at
1. upkeep of a yard his size (?400 dogs? <---read that somewhere, dont quote me)
2. he does not sell ALL of the pups, after reading his current breedings it looks like half or less of every breeding, keeping the rest for his program
3.he is only breeding proven dogs, keeping the ROM issue aside, he is not and has not from what i have seen, breed garbage or unworthy dogs.
4. game dog circle is a very tight one, some people do not have accesibility to go get a working dog any time they would like, would you rather people just buy junk scatterbred or blue dogs? (some might argue that if you arent in the circle you shouldnt have a working dog...)
5.assuming the 400 dogs on his yard (on which i have heard he maintains meticulously) is it too much to think he has 7 good males and 7 good female worth breeding??? more realisticly, 14 good females and 3-5 good males.... i think so..

not to mention that its obvious that the man has devoted his life to the bulldogs... i dont think he would want to do anything to hurt the breed? who knows?

I think for the most part, most of us had said that if it were someone else we'd be leary of him, but considering its him, it makes things different. At least, that is what I got from the majority of the post. Though some were calling him out, seemed to be calling him out...
I wanted to make it clear I was not attacking him, seeing how his bloodline is the one that I most admire. I was agreeing with Frenchie, that if this were someone none of us knew, we'd probably not be as cool as it as we are with TG, but he has earn his reputation as a Dogman, no doubt.

[kane85]

I can't speak for anyone whos post is before mine but it sounds like you have a opinioun yourself don't put everyone in the same catagory I have taked to the man (for my part) me and an old partner sent a GOOD bulldog to him and got fucked but thats another story even with all that I still think he was a Great dogman but now it is what it is....
Something happened along the same lines with us with one of by friends dogs and witha pup he was suppose to send us a dog a pup of our chooseing but he backed out and wanted to send us a pup from a diffrent breeding so we saide no to that. Dose anyone know if garner is still getting dogs from enrique down in mexico let me tell you those are some real good eli bred dogs

[pennsooner]

If you want a dog from Tom Garner I'd suggest talking to Tom Garner about it. One of the most interesting and intelligent people I've ever met, period. If I were planning to buy a dog he'd be one of the main people I'd talk to. And for the record he doesnt need to sell dogs to make a living either. Anyone who thinks he does has obviously never met the man. Or they are just jealous.

[pennsooner]

Sorry, double post.

[Stillwater]

If you want a dog from Tom Garner I'd suggest talking to Tom Garner about it. One of the most interesting and intelligent people I've ever met, period. If I were planning to buy a dog he'd be one of the main people I'd talk to. And for the record he doesnt need to sell dogs to make a living either. Anyone who thinks he does has obviously never met the man. Or they are just jealous.
I agree 100%. Tom puts more into the care of his dogs and pups then ANYONE I know. How many breeders have bred 90+ Champions+Multible show winners too numerous to count? Only one that I can think of, Tom Garner. I don't have but one dog that came directly from him, so I ain't really vested in that line of dogs, so I only speak on my observations and documented facts. I personally don't think you could go wrong with one of his dogs if you went to him and told him what you wanted and let him help you pick one.
Also if I was going to get a pup from him, I would probably want one out of Bolo. The one I have now is Double bred Ch. Dynomite, and I am very pleased with it.

[game_test]

I can't speak for anyone whos post is before mine but it sounds like you have a opinioun yourself don't put everyone in the same catagory I have taked to the man (for my part) me and an old partner sent a GOOD bulldog to him and got fucked but thats another story even with all that I still think he was a Great dogman but now it is what it is....
i could care less about any previous dealings with mr garner. i happen to own a dog or two from his stock and im happy. all i can suggest to you and anyone else that has a problem, refer to my earlier post with his web address, and take it up with him. all you just did was add more speculatory feul to the fire. it is an ongoing repetitive cycle and its old. then to see newbies question and making remarks about the man, well ,thats just not the way i was taught to conduct myself in the dog game. i was taught to have respect.

[game_test]

well, with such a reputable record it isn't hard to see why some people are all over his nuts. hope you're gettin paid. :)



you are a smart ass.

[game_test]

i`m interested to buy in the future a puppi from tom garner. but i would like to know yours opinion about his dogs, who is the best reproducer in his iard at this moment, somme of his offsprings.
thank`s, best regards

to answer your question, i am partail to bolo offspring, but thats just me. i would suggest bolo, el negro, or dynamite. i would reccomend a female that way if she doesnt turn on and is cold she can still be bred and you can deal with the offspring. good luck i dont think you will be dissapointed.

[idgie]

TG doesn't have 400 dogs on his yard. He usually has around 80 and tops out around 100. And it is a beautiful, well-maintained yard with well cared for and sociable dogs.

Also, I've talked to him in depth about how many dogs he breeds. He feels that there is plenty of room in the world for quality bulldogs, especially with the breed being under seige. He's very committed to continuing the various bloodlines. When I think about how many good dogs have been seized and killed, I can understand his point. If gamedogs don't continue to be produced, the breed will only continue to change for the worse. He also spends tons of money on proper care for his dogs and has endless hassles just like everyone else committed to this breed these days.

I don't think it's at all the same situation as random dude who stumbles on this forum saying "hey I want to get rich breeding pits" and gets blasted.

And to echo what others have said, he is very willing to share his wealth of knowledge, just give him a call.

[bahamutt99]

4. game dog circle is a very tight one, some people do not have accesibility to go get a working dog any time they would like, would you rather people just buy junk scatterbred or blue dogs? (some might argue that if you arent in the circle you shouldnt have a working dog...)
I know this is going to make me sound like a dog nazi, but I subscribe to the "close the circle" philosophy. Breeding to sell to the public just doesn't appeal to me, no matter how good the dogs are. By that logic, other people with small, exclusive programs should increase their breeding so that folks outside the circle can get good dogs. I just don't buy that thinking. Let people buy whatever they want; they wont be able to say they got a dog from me if something goes wrong. Ready availability is one of the things that is destroying the breed, IMO.

Live and let live; I just have the right to disagree with it. :)

[215pitts]

Personally, I like his stuff! I'm not going to pick sides and state that he is a peddler, making a business, and complain about how much he is making off his breedings nor am I going to post on this thread defending him!

What I am going to say is whatever you do on your own time is "YOUR" business. If theres something a person is doing on their time and it doesn't concern you than you don't need to know or complain about what they are doing. Live your life and let them live theirs. If it does offend you than "MAN UP" and go see Mr. Garner and tell him what your problem with him is.

[MinorThreat]

This was said by a friend of mine. I agree with it and by definition, the person being trashed on this thread is not a peddler...and this thread sure does have a lot of crap talkers on it.


"I have always believed there should be breeders and doers, but sometimes you get peddlers. A peddler to me is someone who buys dogs of other people's work, breeds them and sells them, without ever really knowing WTF he's doing as a breeder, or without ever really trying to maintain some kind of physical standard in his produced offspring" (Friend)

[NcPrisonGuard]

Amen brother!

what ever happened to mind your own damn business? there are so many judgemental folks on this board, some of you have a lot of nerve..

[ColbyDogs]

Holey Deja Vu Batman. I had this same argument on a different website. We all agree not everyone should breed, most of us jump on folks for breeding and say " leave the breeding for the experienced people" . To me thats what TG is EXPERIENCED. The man has a proven track record of producing great dogs that most of us would welcome on our yards.

14 Litters sounds like alot do doubt, however I would rather folks like TG to be the ones doing the breeding. Atleast the man has standards and strives to perserve the breed to its origanal form. As I stated earlier, when running a large yard of 80+ dogs there is no way he is making a killing off of breeding. I know some of the folks here run large yards and i'm sure they are more familiar with the costs of maintaining a yard and I am sure they agree that the upkeep is costly.

So if TG wants to produce 14 litters a year I say let him, I would much rather have 140 well bred dogs a year come into this world than 1000's of curr's of inferior breedings that we see all the time. So MHO....Breed on Tom...breed on !

[Phebes]

this subject was done before.......

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199995#post199995

[coolhandjean]

Also, I've talked to him in depth about how many dogs he breeds. He feels that there is plenty of room in the world for quality bulldogs, especially with the breed being under seige. He's very committed to continuing the various bloodlines. When I think about how many good dogs have been seized and killed, I can understand his point. If gamedogs don't continue to be produced, the breed will only continue to change for the worse. He also spends tons of money on proper care for his dogs and has endless hassles just like everyone else committed to this breed these days.

And to echo what others have said, he is very willing to share his wealth of knowledge, just give him a call.Very cool...Thanks for sharing this info. :) It's much appreciated.

[PirbulBongo]

Im happy with my Dyno pup, the customer service with Tom coulda been a lil better but i guess buying a dog by emails from Spain wasnt the best way. I would buy another one from him but traveling to his kennel.

[14rock]

If you think 1000 for a pup from him is too much, you probably haven't seen a single good one.

If you haven't seen a single good one, you probably haven't seen any of El Negro's offspring :p

[ROSE]

Whatever the cost,BUY what you can AFFORD and what you NEED.and that goes for anything. Just think where would any of us be if it wasn't for this PEDDLER,J.Colby.? or was he just a GREAT BREEDER that sold good dogs? What we have is BREEDERS,GLADIATORS and PEDDLERS.

[B]

I had 2 dogs that I raised straight from pups off T.G. yard. I only have a single dog now as one left this world early due to a bad accident. I do plan on adding another pup off Ch. El Negro ROM after I get my housing situation settled. Regardless of what anyone says I have had wonderful experiences with the dogs from his place. They are perfect in conformation, drive, intelligence and stability. I couldn't ask more from a working dog. Good luck with your decision.

[miakoda]

TG doesn't have 400 dogs on his yard. He usually has around 80 and tops out around 100. And it is a beautiful, well-maintained yard with well cared for and sociable dogs.

Also, I've talked to him in depth about how many dogs he breeds. He feels that there is plenty of room in the world for quality bulldogs, especially with the breed being under seige. He's very committed to continuing the various bloodlines. When I think about how many good dogs have been seized and killed, I can understand his point. If gamedogs don't continue to be produced, the breed will only continue to change for the worse. He also spends tons of money on proper care for his dogs and has endless hassles just like everyone else committed to this breed these days.

I don't think it's at all the same situation as random dude who stumbles on this forum saying "hey I want to get rich breeding pits" and gets blasted.

And to echo what others have said, he is very willing to share his wealth of knowledge, just give him a call.
Great post, Idgie. Especially what I put into bold.

[vacaroz]

i recent purced a dog from GARNER'S FRISCO ROM & GARNER'S YOKO POR on his fother and jeep, yelow dog on his mother.who have tihs cross? somme opinions. thank`s. regards

[bulldog426]

if i had the money i'd definately get some of the heavy chinaman stuff. 900 aint too bad, a friend of mine just shipped a dog up north for 5grand. way more than i can afford to pay for a dog, i could buy a nice little truck for that.

[mmartin]

i just did a breeding with dynomite and tom was great to work with. he returned all my calls and emails promt and everything worked out great.

[masta of game]

It didn't look like any else answered so...the short of it was that there was a challenge within the ABDA world where it was alleged that some of the dogs that TG said were sired by Frisco were actually from other breedings. TG denied it, and the ABDA wanted him to to DNA testing on all of the dogs in question to prove it. He declined, and the ABDA stop registering dogs off of Frisco. So TG starts the Sporting Dog Registry.


thanks..i didnt know that

[Caos]

what JMAN told it's true TG don't sell all those pups he keep with all most them I purchase a Dynomite dogs and his a very good dog acting great my favorites in TG yard are Bolo(hear very good things about his offspring),El Negro(no words)and Dynomite who produce nice too.

[game_test]

Honest something very heavy frisco.Ch Dynomite is producing some good dog's.He is producing better dogs then any male he have's in that yard.


damn old thread edited......

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Anyone that has followed my posting will remember my thoughts and analysis of Tom Garner and his kennel. That said, I need to keep it "real".

Tom, no doubt is a legend. He does nothing any different from say Wildside kennels. 80+ dogs, year round breedings, doesn't take a brain surgeon to see these kennels are businesses. No time for a 9-5 w/ 80 + animals, I don't care if they were game bred gold fish. This is how they make their money. Both of these reputable kennels keep up great w/the dogs, but it does cost. Food alone, wildsides spends thousands per month on it alone. So pups must be high priced to continue to run a kennel, and that's just from a food aspect. However, I wouldn't spend one red cent w/that racist dude Tom! I have a guy who lives up the rd. from me. His name begins w/ D and rhymes w/bean. He used to deal w/tom on the regular a few years back. He actually had chocolata, in which I have walked myself. Pretty good dog, very shy of people. The agreement to D from Tom was that he was only supposed to breed the dog. No shows, or anything like that. Well D, wanted 2 anyway and did. He quickly became a 2 time show winner. This is where business went bad.

There was supposed to be an agreement among men. A man's word is more valuable than any amount of money. In the fraternity, your word is your bond. This guy "D" clearly agreed without an intent to fulfill his promise. He wanted that dog no matter what he had to do or say. In my eyes, "D" is a scumbag for showing and breeding against the agreement.

Tom called D (as he'd heard choc was showing) and cursed him for everything he was worth. Tom told him don't breed him outside the yard initially also. Well this phone conversation voided that contract.

Sure, easy to void a contract "D" never intended to follow. In fact, D voided the contract when he agree to show the dog. Excuses are plentiful but there is only one truth.

"who the hell does he thinks he is?" screamed d. I am a grown adult, and I will do as I will. I payed for that damn dog!!!

Curious, He was not a man when he agreed to the stipulations already knowing they would be broken.

Only children and inmature people "do as they will" ignoring promises and agreements. A man stands behind his word EVEN amidst disagreement.

That D character F@CKED UP big time. I would not piss on him even if he was on fire.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif:cool:

[DIBOTIBO]

Anyone that has followed my posting will remember my thoughts and analysis of Tom Garner and his kennel. That said, I need to keep it "real".



There was supposed to be an agreement among men. A man's word is more valuable than any amount of money. In the fraternity, your word is your bond. This guy "D" clearly agreed without an intent to fulfill his promise. He wanted that dog no matter what he had to do or say. In my eyes, "D" is a scumbag for showing and breeding against the agreement.



Sure, easy to void a contract "D" never intended to follow. In fact, D voided the contract when he agree to show the dog. Excuses are plentiful but there is only one truth.



Curious, He was not a man when he agreed to the stipulations already knowing they would be broken.

Only children and inmature people "do as they will" ignoring promises and agreements. A man stands behind his word EVEN amidst disagreement.



I have to say that Tom did make a mistake. TG mistake was giving this "D" character a chance to own something out of his yard. The "N" word does not take away from the truth....

"got those ni**ers down there w/my blood to be ruined. Those Coons don't know shit about gamedogs, and here you are giving my blood to them."
Yep, all of what he said is usually true. The street kids are the ones that ruin the bloodlines....street kids being black, white, hispanic, asians.

Yes, those street fold do not know SHIT about game dogs. Giving game blood to them is a slap in the face of all that dog's anscestors, their breeder(s), and handlers.

That D character F@CKED UP big time. I would not piss on him even if he was on fire.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif:cool:

O.K. Point taken golden gloves, yet still. Street kids my @ss. I know grown @ss men who still to date dont know a thing about breeding and crossing bloods. It's become an opionated mess! D was wrong for showing choco, but let's keep it real. I would've told tom, if I give you this money, I will do as I will w/my property. He may not have sold me choc, but so the f$%^ what? Who gives 2 pennies? Go elsewhere and get better than choco. You don't go buy a new corvette from the chevy dealer, and upon leaving, they say "don't ride such and such in this car. Don't race it against other chevys as it may be bad for business, and never park it outside for more than 24 hrs........I MEAN WAKE UP PEOPLE! It's your hard earned money. What's it to a legend anyway? Problem w/the whole situation is fake azz Tom would have bred Choco to any black man that brought a dripping bitch to him. As well as sold offspring. His gripes and complaints merely came off of jealousy and envy. If he was going to act like a big baby and expose his TRUE (REAL AS U SAY BALBOA) COLORS, then maybe he should have just kept the dog in the 1st place. But no, when your greedy.....you'll sell the boxers off of your @ss, and worry about being naked later. Thruth be told, Tom had no intentions of keeping choco. Like I said, he was very shy and D was going to purchase another male that tom quickly took off the market for whatever reason. He didn't expect Choco to do so well, so he let him go instead thinking he got over. Only breed him d. Yea of course, only breed him, your thinking he's a piece of ice. In other words, bring these bad traits into your yard, and out of mine sucker!!!!! Well, d is a real dogman, and we don't just breed shi+ balboa, we MAKE SURE 1ST!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

O.K. Point taken golden gloves, yet still. Street kids my @ss. I know grown @ss men who still to date dont know a thing about breeding and crossing bloods. It's become an opionated mess! D was wrong for showing choco, but let's keep it real. I would've told tom, if I give you this money, I will do as I will w/my property. He may not have sold me choc, but so the f$%^ what? Who gives 2 pennies? Go elsewhere and get better than choco. You don't go buy a new corvette from the chevy dealer, and upon leaving, they say "don't ride such and such in this car. Don't race it against other chevys as it may be bad for business, and never park it outside for more than 24 hrs........I MEAN WAKE UP PEOPLE! It's your hard earned money. What's it to a legend anyway? Problem w/the whole situation is fake azz Tom would have bred Choco to any black man that brought a dripping bitch to him. As well as sold offspring. His gripes and complaints merely came off of jealousy and envy. If he was going to act like a big baby and expose his TRUE (REAL AS U SAY BALBOA) COLORS, then maybe he should have just kept the dog in the 1st place. But no, when your greedy.....you'll sell the boxers off of your @ss, and worry about being naked later. Thruth be told, Tom had no intentions of keeping choco. Like I said, he was very shy and D was going to purchase another male that tom quickly took off the market for whatever reason. He didn't expect Choco to do so well, so he let him go instead thinking he got over. Only breed him d. Yea of course, only breed him, your thinking he's a piece of ice. In other words, bring these bad traits into your yard, and out of mine sucker!!!!! Well, d is a real dogman, and we don't just breed shi+ balboa, we MAKE SURE 1ST!

You seem to agree with me in a round about way.

Yes, D should have been straight forward with Tom and either gotten it anyway, had to pay more, or go elsewhere. Instead, he agreed knowing his manly ways had no intention of fulfilling the deal.

I can tell you several reasons why breeders get into co-ownerships or make people agree to a certain things. Your analogy of a corvette is not valid. All cars in the same model are the same. Dogs on the other hand have different level of potential or bred-for purpose....some breeders breed "future studs". Well, like i said, there are several reasons people get into agreements. Regardless, if you agree you should comply.

Also, i do agree that it is not just street kids who know little to nothing about game dogs.....grown ass men as well. This is why we continue to say, "This breed is not for everyone. Close the circle" The second part (IMHO) does not mean do not let anyone else in...it means, g@ddamit pay attention who you let into it.

I would suggest you do not get into agreements with this "D" fellow. It seems he may or may not satisfy his part. Just some friendly advise.

YIS,

Rocky

[DIBOTIBO]

You seem to agree with me in a round about way.

Yes, D should have been straight forward with Tom and either gotten it anyway, had to pay more, or go elsewhere. Instead, he agreed knowing his manly ways had no intention of fulfilling the deal.

I can tell you several reasons why breeders get into co-ownerships or make people agree to a certain things. Your analogy of a corvette is not valid. All cars in the same model are the same. Dogs on the other hand have different level of potential or bred-for purpose....some breeders breed "future studs". Well, like i said, there are several reasons people get into agreements. Regardless, if you agree you should comply.

Also, i do agree that it is not just street kids who know little to nothing about game dogs.....grown ass men as well. This is why we continue to say, "This breed is not for everyone. Close the circle" The second part (IMHO) does not mean do not let anyone else in...it means, g@ddamit pay attention who you let into it.

I would suggest you do not get into agreements with this "D" fellow. It seems he may or may not satisfy his part. Just some friendly advise.

YIS,

Rocky

kOOL BEANS ROC. D is out of dogs now. He was a small living legend here in South Carolina. Me myself, have never purchased anything from d. It was all a gift w/more knowledge about how to go forward. Some I retained, and some went in one ear and out of the other. I just basically wanted people to understand in this post, Tom is a racist, a Hustler, and a business man since that was in question. Of course he cares for the pups man, @ 1,000 a pop, shouldn't we care for him? lol. J/k. He's done alot for the breed, and imo is a top breeder. The Eli line of dog imo is the hardest line to work with. Between culling, linebreeding, and cross breeding, it gets tough yet tom mastered it. The problem w/the eli stuff was that it was all from loose or tight line breedings. The snooty,rascal,jeep,chinaman,nigerino........it all comes down thru the same stuff. It was already tight back then in other words, so when amatures get this blood, it's often to much to handle and sucessfully breed. Tom did, and for that he gets credit. For being a klansman though, he gets the middle finga! Lets go obama! J/k. I understand what you meant in your post, and I agree to an extent. But the better blood you speak of (outside of the average blood) should be kept in your yard, and yours only. Don't spread it around to irresponsible people.

[Red Cocaine]

Well i might be a minority on this But if he did what you said, that ONLY made me have 100 times MORE respect for Tom......

[forty6mantis]

what ever happened to mind your own damn business? there are so many judgemental folks on this board, some of you have a lot of nerve. you aint feeding nothing worth a damn and probably never will and yet you have the nerve to judge and question a legend in the game. mr garner takes very good care of his animals and has the resources to do what he is doing. he also has one the the greatest public stud line ups that allow newbies like most of you folks on this board to even own a great animal and not get someone elses garbage.

mr garner breeds bulldogs. if anyone wants to question what he is doing do it with him on the phone not on some random thread where he cant defend his name.

his web address is gamedog.info if any of you want to join and question the man go ahead. until then try having some respect.

OKAY? thank you. just because he breeds that much wouldn't get him ROM. the people who buy the dogs still have to work them and get results for him to succeed. i never hear much about chinaman/frisco dog owners that don't know how to handle them. yeah 14 breedings but every one of those males and females in the breeding have something saing for them. buying pups straight out is still a risk for me but i'd much rather pay a grand for a young dog than a pup with a big WHAT IF but garner's been running the game and i don't have any thing bad to say about him bc i can't even fill his shoes. good luck to ya tom.

[NEWBLACKERA]

kOOL BEANS ROC. D is out of dogs now. He was a small living legend here in South Carolina. Me myself, have never purchased anything from d. It was all a gift w/more knowledge about how to go forward. Some I retained, and some went in one ear and out of the other. I just basically wanted people to understand in this post, Tom is a racist, a Hustler, and a business man since that was in question. Of course he cares for the pups man, @ 1,000 a pop, shouldn't we care for him? lol. J/k. He's done alot for the breed, and imo is a top breeder. The Eli line of dog imo is the hardest line to work with. Between culling, linebreeding, and cross breeding, it gets tough yet tom mastered it. The problem w/the eli stuff was that it was all from loose or tight line breedings. The snooty,rascal,jeep,chinaman,nigerino........it all comes down thru the same stuff. It was already tight back then in other words, so when amatures get this blood, it's often to much to handle and sucessfully breed. Tom did, and for that he gets credit. For being a klansman though, he gets the middle finga! Lets go obama! J/k. I understand what you meant in your post, and I agree to an extent. But the better blood you speak of (outside of the average blood) should be kept in your yard, and yours only. Don't spread it around to irresponsible people.

GOOD STUFF TIBO. I UNDERSTAND U. WHEN WE WOULD HAVE GUEST OVER FOR OUR BAKE SALES, MOM WOULD HIDE THE GOOD DOUBLE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES AND SAVE THEM FOR US. SHE WOULD ONLY DISTRIBUTE THE NASTY WHITE VANILLA COOKIES TO THE LOCALS. I THINK MORE KENNELS SHOULD FOLLOW MOM'S LEAD, AND THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN EVER ANYWAY

[cutthroat]

GOOD STUFF TIBO. I UNDERSTAND U. WHEN WE WOULD HAVE GUEST OVER FOR OUR BAKE SALES, MOM WOULD HIDE THE GOOD DOUBLE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES AND SAVE THEM FOR US. SHE WOULD ONLY DISTRIBUTE THE NASTY WHITE VANILLA COOKIES TO THE LOCALS. I THINK MORE KENNELS SHOULD FOLLOW MOM'S LEAD, AND THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN EVER ANYWAY



That aint morally correct, greed and selfishness gets you no where. Go eat ya cookies by yourself. ps. I love vanilla cookies.

Cutt-

[Rocky H. Balboa]

GOOD STUFF TIBO. I UNDERSTAND U. WHEN WE WOULD HAVE GUEST OVER FOR OUR BAKE SALES, MOM WOULD HIDE THE GOOD DOUBLE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES AND SAVE THEM FOR US. SHE WOULD ONLY DISTRIBUTE THE NASTY WHITE VANILLA COOKIES TO THE LOCALS. I THINK MORE KENNELS SHOULD FOLLOW MOM'S LEAD, AND THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN EVER ANYWAY

Aaaaah........Let me explain a little more using your example.

If your mom wanted to prove that her cookie recipe was better than everyone else's, then, she would have to give out her recipe to others so that they can bake, show, and ultimately prove your mom's recipe IS the best. If your mom kept her recipe to herself, then, people would rationalize that it was HER not the recipe that was good.

A breeder's ultimate goal is to prove their program superior. The best way to do this is by having others show their stuff.

[NEWBLACKERA]

That aint morally correct, greed and selfishness gets you no where. Go eat ya cookies by yourself. ps. I love vanilla cookies.

Cutt-

People, morals have left the building. Name an honest dogman that has never lied, manipulated, or broke a promise. Gauranteed it won't be many. I'm not here to say whos right and who's wrong, but the obvious is obvious. There aren't any honest people out here any more. That's why this breed is suffering to date. Dropping dimes is at an all time high. The circle wasn't closed fast enough. This breed isn't for everyone, so if you have sacred blood, KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES!!!! Have it for no one, but you! No one can be trusted any more. Most of all, you won't have to worry about issues such as T.G. and this Bean guy. I hate splinters cutthroat, so you know what? I don't run my hands across wood! I often up-chuck Vanilla cookies, so you what again, I don't eat them. If you don't want everyone w/some blood, guess what......Don't give it to any1 because there are people just like Bean out there who have no intensions on keeping your blood sacred. If you did just that, threads and discussions like this would be obsolete. Now if you would excuse me, I'm going to finish my chocolate chip cookies now!

[NEWBLACKERA]

Aaaaah........Let me explain a little more using your example.

If your mom wanted to prove that her cookie recipe was better than everyone else's, then, she would have to give out her recipe to others so that they can bake, show, and ultimately prove your mom's recipe IS the best. If your mom kept her recipe to herself, then, people would rationalize that it was HER not the recipe that was good.

A breeder's ultimate goal is to prove their program superior. The best way to do this is by having others show their stuff.

Truth and equality huh? Truth is, it's not like T.G. has a private closed yard. key words "BY HAVING OTHERS SHOW OFF THEIR STUFF". If Bean didn't get the dog, it sounds as if he would have sold it to someone else anyway. I think Dibo's argument was stressing the racial side in which I have no opinion. Again, to each it's own. What's it matter if blacks, Mexicans, or asians had the dog or the dog's blood. Point is, he gave it out. It's kinda like the pinky promise secrets we all grew up on. Now lets see, theres ""I Swear", "I promise". "I pinky promise", "I'll put my hand on the Bible".........anyway, even though it intially sounds strong in compliance, theres a chance if a secret is told, the chances of it spreading is now at higher risk. Why? Simple. More than one person has the secret now. By the time the same secret returns to the place of origin, it's all twisted and bent out of shape.

[TripleJ]

Truth and equality huh? Truth is, it's not like T.G. has a private closed yard. key words "BY HAVING OTHERS SHOW OFF THEIR STUFF". If Bean didn't get the dog, it sounds as if he would have sold it to someone else anyway. I think Dibo's argument was stressing the racial side in which I have no opinion. Again, to each it's own. What's it matter if blacks, Mexicans, or asians had the dog or the dog's blood. Point is, he gave it out. It's kinda like the pinky promise secrets we all grew up on. Now lets see, theres ""I Swear", "I promise". "I pinky promise", "I'll put my hand on the Bible".........anyway, even though it intially sounds strong in compliance, theres a chance if a secret is told, the chances of it spreading is now at higher risk. Why? Simple. More than one person has the secret now. By the time the same secret returns to the place of origin, it's all twisted and bent out of shape.
Racial side? NEWBLACKERA wtf! some one close this dumba$$ thread now its coming to he did this to my friend BLABLABLA Tome Garner has put out more great dogs than most PLAIN AND FACT! the man is not on hear to say his side FACT and truth be told if I let a dog out of my yard with agreements and they were broken Id be pissed and there is no telling what I would say and dont call me a Racial man I HATE EVERYONE ALL THE SAME, Fact. Yis J

[NEWBLACKERA]

Racial side? NEWBLACKERA wtf! some one close this dumba$$ thread now its coming to he did this to my friend BLABLABLA Tome Garner has put out more great dogs than most PLAIN AND FACT! the man is not on hear to say his side FACT and truth be told if I let a dog out of my yard with agreements and they were broken Id be pissed and there is no telling what I would say and dont call me a Racial man I HATE EVERYONE ALL THE SAME, Fact. Yis J

UHHH...O.K. Good points trip, but who ever said he didn't put out good dogs? When you say friend, who? I wasn't there, and I don't know these people. POINT BLANK, if you don't want it to spread, don't share! It's plain and simple. Or do you people just love to debate and argue?

[kane85]

i recent purced a dog from GARNER'S FRISCO ROM & GARNER'S YOKO POR on his fother and jeep, yelow dog on his mother.who have tihs cross? somme opinions. thank`s. regards
i know of a guy who own a dog off of that look him up on peds on line garners and ml's frisco kid they crossed him with a redboy female off of bommer rom the red boy chinamen cross works real well crazy ass dogs i got a pup off one the male they kept all grown up his full brother to kimbo from mexico ask evolution kennels they wanted to buy this dog very high prey drive and good mouth.

[JBlazeRx7]

That's true in order to keep a yard of that size up to par. You either have to be rich or atleast make it to where's it supports itself in continuing to operate efficently!:(

[DOwho???]

I have two pups from Mr. Garner, one from CH. Dyno the other from Hickson. They are both doing good, the Hickson pup acts like a grown dog and the Dyno pup still acts like a pup. Im very happy with them and would get more if it served my purpose.
If you guys question his methods or whatever you should call him, he is willing to talk about anything legal. But since i know you won't, let me enlighten you on the topics which you speak:
1. I'm black and have met T face to face, he didn't seem to be a racist to me. He offered to let me and my family stay the night there as we had travelled so far.
2. I got a pup from a litter that was not publicized or sold to the public,PRIVATE STOCK, I also have access to his blood in Mexico.
3.Yes, his litters are worth big $$$, to some people but not to him. Reason being, he employs a whole family to take of his yard so the money from those pups doesn't make him Rich.
4. He was rich before he sold dogs. He has a Doctorate in Psychology, he owns a lot of realestate and sales just as much as he owns. He has his own lab to make his dog products.
5. He is my mentor on dogs and whatever else i have questions on that he knows. He has over a thousand books which he has read, the guy is an intellect that is maintaining and improving his line throughh whatever means necessary.

I hope that clears up some questions and ends some of the bashing on him. About the guy he gave Chocolata to, well he should've had stuck to T's request. You can tell everything about a person from the way they live their life, the promises they make and more importantly the promises they BREAK. You know what they say 'Birds of a feather, Flock together'.:D
STOP HATING...... :p

[BOSTON GEORGE]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get papers off TG I sent away 3 months ago and still have'nt got anything

[ghost 1]

Truth and equality huh? Truth is, it's not like T.G. has a private closed yard. key words "BY HAVING OTHERS SHOW OFF THEIR STUFF". If Bean didn't get the dog, it sounds as if he would have sold it to someone else anyway. I think Dibo's argument was stressing the racial side in which I have no opinion. Again, to each it's own. What's it matter if blacks, Mexicans, or asians had the dog or the dog's blood. Point is, he gave it out. It's kinda like the pinky promise secrets we all grew up on. Now lets see, theres ""I Swear", "I promise". "I pinky promise", "I'll put my hand on the Bible".........anyway, even though it intially sounds strong in compliance, theres a chance if a secret is told, the chances of it spreading is now at higher risk. Why? Simple. More than one person has the secret now. By the time the same secret returns to the place of origin, it's all twisted and bent out of shape.


Because MOST PPL like bean don't know exactly what they got and how to turn it into something better or just as good, instead they breed it to everything that comes along trying to make a dollar and dogs living in filth and the the HSUS comes in wanting NAMES-- of where the dogs come from, then what TG will be in the same situation as others. will they drop a dime to get off,,,lol,,, i'll take a bet they will.

i can call you and others racist for posting lies,, but who knows who really said what. did you hear all this with you own ears?

Just goes to show a great dog won't ever be great with a JUNK owner

[ghost 1]

you know whats funny,,, tom has seen this thread before, i know because we talked about it,,, maybe i need to give him a hollar and you never know whos on the other end,

[littlecountry]

and every body knows no matter who breeds the dog it might turn out to be a cur no matter if it is one of the highest bred dogs out there all depends on it training at one time i was going to Mr. Garner to buy a pup and then we planed a diffrent way to go

[TripleJ]

Spoken like a true man. You are right tom has done a lot and DOES put out first class dogs. That being said he breeds a lot of dogs and sells alot of dogs so when you hear some one say I dont like T.Gs dogs most have only seen a few. I have seen Maney that I would love to feed.And as far as him being racist We all know things can be said if you are pissed. And I am Sure You know in your hart thats not the case. If so he would have never been friends with all the black folks he is friends with. And from dog man to dog man, Im white and a redneck country boy but I have some very close black friends who I would take the shirt off my back for. And Im sure T.G is the same. And dont belive for one second he thinks black folks are not good dog men Some of the best dog men I know are black and I have learned a lot from them. I think some people let there fellings get in the way of the truth and thats Tom garner is a great Breeder and one of the few you can get a Real dog from that still sells to the public. YIS J

[Marty]

TJ, I deleted his post and PMed him about it, I didn't like the way it was worded :(

[TG1982]

If I Came Off Wrong To Anyone My Bad This Is Not My Forum So I Can't Say What I Want. I Spoke The Truth. I Stand Behind My Word. My Bad To Anyone On Here If I Came Off The Wrong Way I Was Just Simply Saying My Opinon On The Matter At Hand. I Wasn't Trying To Bash Or Speak Bad About Anyone. I Understand I Have To Follow The Rules. Like I Said I Believe That I Spoke Nothing But The Truth. If I'm Wrong For That Then Let It Be. As Far As Tg Goes He Is A Cool A Dude In My Book. I Can't Judge A Man's Character Until I Have Been Around Him To See For Myself.

[Marty]

This thread has been cleaned up! keep it that way... it was turning into a bunch of racist BS and I don't allow that kind of talk on the site :(

[TG1982]

My Bad For Not Wording It Correctly. If The Way I Worded Violated Rules My Bad.

[Marty]

No, It was posted all over this thread and it's now been cleaned up ;)

I just didn't catch it... sorry about that :o

[TG1982]

You Cool Wit Me Marty. Keep Up The Good Work. You Doing A Posititve Thing With The Breed. By Having This Forum.

[BOSTON GEORGE]

does anyone know how long it takes to get papers from the sporting dog registry?

[TripleJ]

does anyone know how long it takes to get papers from the sporting dog registry?If you have the hand written ped who cares. I know I used to use B.J.Brown with game dog breeders assn and it may take months. But Just hand write it all your good to go and all your info is not in some one elses hands. J

[littlecountry]

I JUST SAT AND READ THESE ENTIRE THING TO THIS POST HEREAND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IF YOU LIKE THE DOGS MR. GARNER PRODUCES PROMOTE IT DO WELL WITH IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BE (UNLIKE MYSELF SOMETIMES) POLITE AND PROFESSIONAL ABOUT IT AND LIST YOUR DISLIKES BUT DONT BASH A MAN THAT HAS TAKEN A LINE OF DOGS AND MADE A LIFE OUT OF IT AND YOU COULD PROUDLY SAY THAT WHAT YOU LIKE WAS BREED TO MATCH IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DOGS ITS JUST LIKE CARS FORD CHEVY DODGE WHOS BETTER ITS ALL A MATTER OF OPINION (AND YES I NEED TO WORK ON THIS TOO) ON WHICH ONE IS THE BEST BUT ALL IN ALL TRACE IT BACK AS FAR AS YOU CAN AND THEY CAME FROM ABOUT THE SAME DOGS JUST SOME PEOPLE GOT PRODUCERS AND DAMN GOOD ONES IM SURE SOMEBODY CAN CUT DOWN EVERY DOGMAN EVER HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH APBT'S SO LEAVE IT IN THE PAST THEY GAVE US OUR DOGS SO IN CLOSING IF YOU DONT KNOW THE ENTIRE STORY OR ASK THE PERSON FACE TO FACE PLEASE DONT CUT THEM DOWN (I'M GUILTY AS HELL TOO) BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR YOU CANT DO IT OR DONT AGREE TAKE IT AND LEARN CHANGE WHAT YOU CAN AND LEAVE WHAT YOU WANT
SGT USMC
2001-2007

[littlecountry]

does anyone know how long it takes to get papers from the sporting dog registry?

TOOK ME 4 WEEKS TO GET THIS ONE BACK

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=293687

AND IM SENDING 2 TOMARROW ILL LET YOU KNOW BUT ITS NOT A BIG REG LIKE ADBA ITS MORE LIKE BFKC

[coolhandjean]

Good post, LittleCountry.

However, please don't write in all caps, it kills my eyes, and I think it's a rule. lol.

[TripleJ]

TOOK ME 4 WEEKS TO GET THIS ONE BACK

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=293687

AND IM SENDING 2 TOMARROW ILL LET YOU KNOW BUT ITS NOT A BIG REG LIKE ADBA ITS MORE LIKE BFKC
Im LMFAO right now look close to whats on you ankle I love that $%!t. Dont feel bad Alot of us had the 2 pound tool straped on.

[kb kennles]

i would rather go to some one elsh he dont work hes dogs as much nowdays

[DOwho???]

i would rather go to some one elsh he dont work hes dogs as much nowdays
I wouldn't say that, I know a lot of people with dogs from many of his studs. But hey everybody has there own opinion and they are entitled to them.

Don't SLEEP...

[Caos]

does anyone know how long it takes to get papers from the sporting dog registry?

I receive my really fast in one week I got my papers.

[Caos]

I wouldn't say that, the dogs produced are still top shelf qaulity. I know a lot of people with dogs from many of his studs. But hey everybody has there own opinion and they are entitled to them.

Don't SLEEP...

I agree his dogs still on top and produce very good ones.

[Boze]

no offense but it always makes me laugh wen people make assumptions about wat people do with their dogs unless you are friends with him or have asked him how do you no wat he does with his dogs

[DOwho???]

He's my mentor on my real estate dealings and on dogs, i talk to him when i can. And i definitely agree if you don't know dont assume....

[Boze]

i agree the post was not directed at you it was wen someone said he does not work his dogs this man deserves respect and most people have not even began to reach his level as a breeder and yet they assume that his dogs are worthless based on others opinions and not their own

[SMOKIN HEMI]

http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg




TROLL GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marty]

why would you buy a puppy from a dogfighter what the hell is wrong with you thats just so terrible your supporting himDo you know anything about the APBT or you on here to start shit?

[DOwho???]

i agree the post was not directed at you it was wen someone said he does not work his dogs this man deserves respect and most people have not even began to reach his level as a breeder and yet they assume that his dogs are worthless based on others opinions and not their own
My bad Boze, i know it sounded like i was responding to your post, but i was talking to the guy who doesn't know. cause he is clearly SLEEPING,lol.

[Caos]

Tom dogs?...wow I just love them:D:D:D:D:D

[B]

Tom has always been straight up and great with me. I let him choose both the dogs I got from him and ended up with two of the best dogs I've owned in my entire life. He knows his crap and always listens and help whenever I've run into something I don't know how to solve. His experience is vast in every aspect of bulldogs. Don't think that just because he's a smart man that he doesn't know what working bulldogs are. He's straight up honest to the point he seems like an ass if you don't realize that is just how he is. If you like him or not, you can at least respect the fact that he's one of the most experienced dog men around.

Regards,

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[StopBSL]

If you are looking for tight garner blood you can get it somewhere else for cheaper usually.

I know a guy for example just had a litter a little while ago. He has a male directly off Elmo. A good looking dog- not conditioned in the photos I've seen. But good looking. He is advertising pups for $700 to $800. . .and may be able to deal. I am not sure though, dont deal in the garner blood. but they are nice looking pups for sure.

[PirbulBongo]

If you are looking for tight garner blood you can get it somewhere else for cheaper usually.

I know a guy for example just had a litter a little while ago. He has a male directly off Elmo. A good looking dog- not conditioned in the photos I've seen. But good looking. He is advertising pups for $700 to $800. . .and may be able to deal. I am not sure though, dont deal in the garner blood. but they are nice looking pups for sure.

For 100-200$ more you can go to the source and get a direct son-daughter of dogs like Dyno, Bolo, El negro, Rosco that not only have a nice paper but proven performers and producers.

[StopBSL]

For 100-200$ more you can go to the source and get a direct son-daughter of dogs like Dyno, Bolo, El negro, Rosco that not only have a nice paper but proven performers and producers.

And this is true, if you go by the list price. I know most people will sell a dog lower than they list to a good person. . .

However, I do know that Tom is a business man and so he probably sticks to his prices.

My point was that those people who say a grand is too much, you can always go elsewhere and get similar bred stuff. . . what you are looking for makes all the difference.

Personally I would pay more than a grand for any dog that was exactly what I wanted.