Just a Reminder

[Iverson's Pits]

I think sometimes people need a reminder that not all 'Staffs, or "blue-bred" dogs are obese, disgusting, or overall just poor. Hell, even as someone who owns both game/show dogs, sometimes I need a reminder myself after looking at what people are breeding for. So I just wanted to share my boy Steel with you guys. Steel is UKC/AKC (also adba...as if it mattered). He is basically 50% Gaff, 25% Woodforest, 25% "Razors Edge". Thankfully, the "Razors edge" that are in his pedigree are some of the first and foundation dogs from the Kimmar, Kar-Ron, Rowdytown, Woodforest & York dogs. Anyways, here are some pics I took today, followed by a couple taken a while back. Feel free to Comment (+ or -), debate, or just enjoy the pics :

[Iverson's Pits]

here are the others:

[BoogiemanBlood]

well here's my york/razors edge dog. he was the runt of the litter and i took him in. same type of dog as you IP....before the razors edge was the mess it is now. i'm not defending RE....don't get me wrong, just sayin it wasn't always the way it is now. nick 53 lbs

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/9/6/2/DSC01322.JPG
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/9/6/2/DSC02611.JPG

[Iverson's Pits]

Nice dog! What's the ped? Steel probably weighs around 54 -ish. He's not quite conditioned as well as yours. He's just a lil guy (compared to the one's he's allowed to run around with) :)

[rosco91382]

I have to agree with both of you IP and Boogie

King at 53 lbs

[BoogiemanBlood]

Nice dog! What's the ped? Steel probably weighs around 54 -ish. He's not quite conditioned as well as yours. He's just a lil guy (compared to the one's he's allowed to run around with) :)
i don't have it entered anywhere. this is a male that is same sire / litter mate sister of the damn. so kile's noble would be kiles grace on nick's ped. other than that it's identical.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=8>Sire
Kile's Diego</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Sire
Razor's Edge Iceburg's Macho</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
CLP's Razedge Shortshot</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Razor's Edge Nevil's Buckshot</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
CH Razor's Edge Inna Rage</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
CLP's Razedge Diamond</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
" PR" Razorsedge Trueblue's Gloryboy</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Razor's Edge Lil Blue Koala</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Dam
Iceburg's Myia Queen Of Blues</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
Young's Blue Mase</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Ewing's Five Pine Rikust</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Ewing's Five Pine Deva</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
Ewing's Blue Angel</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Romeo's Blue Moon</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Ewing's Five Pine Deva</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=8>Dam
Kile's Noble
(litter mate sister to Grace)</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Sire
"PR" Mountain Boys Mason</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
" CH" York's Remeo</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
UDC "GRCH" York's Blue Bandit</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
" CH" York's Peppermint Patti</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
" PR" York's Dotty</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
" PR" York's Shorty</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
" PR" York's Heddy</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Dam
Shaw's Mountain Boy's Dixie</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
Razor's Edge Shaw's Brutus</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Razor's Edge Rojo Diablo</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Razor's Edge Causn A Ruckus</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
" CH" Martyjax Shaw's Mulan Feather</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
" CH" Piper's Petey</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Hunter's White Diamond</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[frenchie1936]

kinmars kat man roo was an amazing dog in my opinion. good conformation and from what i've heard, an excellent temperament too.

[CynthiaATL]

My blue dog weighs about 62pds. I need to get him in shape (yea Ive been saying that for awhile LOL I work alot) I am working on it though. But I agree with the OP. And Boogie you need to let me know what you do to condition yours.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/CynthiaATL/02-18-07_1437.jpg



http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/6/8/7/5/pimp.jpg

[coolhandjean]

yeah, my Amstaff Notch is in pretty good condition...I never can get a perfect picture to show his muscle mass, but here is a pretty good picture of him to show. He is 50 lbs.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/0/7/5/Notch109.jpg

[Galadriel]

My girl is also york/razors edge, and she's shaping up to look a lot like Nick. I'll try to get some good shots of her out in the sunlight this weekend. She weighed today at 42 pounds and just turned 7 months old.

[BoogiemanBlood]

My blue dog weighs about 62pds. I need to get him in shape (yea Ive been saying that for awhile LOL I work alot) I am working on it though. But I agree with the OP. And Boogie you need to let me know what you do to condition yours. Cynthia at the age of about a year he was a hefty 67 pounds. I got him on a exercise program of flirt pole, spring pole, sled dragging in a sprint form, and lots of walking on the mill. I did it right and worked it off him over a few months time and now I feed him quality feed and he maintains his shape well. He has his lazy streaks, but will work the spring pole well. He will run the slat mill too but not for a real long time. 20 minutes tops. What is simply amazing about him is his recovery time. I've NEVER seen any dog recover as fast as he does from a workout. His wind is amazing.

Here is the barrell look. :o He is about halfway to 53 lbs in the other pic.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/9/6/2/comparison.JPG

[CynthiaATL]

Here is the barrell look. :o He is about halfway to 53 lbs in the other pic.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/9/6/2/comparison.JPGWell My dog is closer to the before pic of yours lol. He is 1yr 8 months. I work alot of hours and it is not a set schedule. Like today I worked 730am till 8pm. On my feet all day. So basically I need to get off my ass after work and walk him. LOL He has a waist line and a tuck. So he is not barrell shape. But I do want to tone him and get a few pds off of him.

I wanted to get him in shape for this UKC show this weekend. Even though I was told that I really do not need to get any weight off of him for UKC I still want to tone him up.

Either way I am going to try my best to get him right.

[GAPITS]

My blue dog weighs about 62pds. I need to get him in shape (yea Ive been saying that for awhile LOL I work alot) I am working on it though. But I agree with the OP. And Boogie you need to let me know what you do to condition yours.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/CynthiaATL/02-18-07_1437.jpg



http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/6/8/7/5/pimp.jpg
Man those are some great pics of your Beluga

whale!!! LMAO......................

[CynthiaATL]

Man those are some great pics of your Beluga

whale!!! LMAO......................
HA HA you and your daughter can kiss my butt. LOL What about Brumby. Or wait Annie! Glue legs to a barrell and there is Annie Poo. LOL

[Iverson's Pits]

HA HA you and your daughter can kiss my butt. LOL What about Brumby. Or wait Annie! Glue legs to a barrell and there is Annie Poo. LOL
Um...so I take it ya'll know eachother ??? :)

[bahamutt99]

I'm going to have to agree with everybody. The are good AmStaff people breeding for an athletic dog that can hang in just about any sport. And there are people bastardizing APBTs into something that looks like tapioca pudding. People treat "AmStaff" like its a 4-letter word synonymous with herpes. And any dog that is not directly off game stock has got the herpes on them (ie, is an AmStaff). Folks get really eager to sling around some derogatory language so they can set themselves apart from others. As though what the breed desperately needs right now is even more fragmentation among the fanciers. If I were an irresponsible idiot, I would deserve a public flogging. But wanting to get in a tiff and cut me down because my dog is not what you think it should be -- and I'm talking about a standard-bred dog, not a bully -- is complete BS. I figure the people who enough time on their hands to play pedigree police must not spend enough time fighting BSL.

I like most of the dogs posted here. They may not be my personal preferred type, but you just can't bitch about a dog who is cared for, fed well, exercised, trained, etc.

[MinorThreat]

positive or negative all those dogs look how theyre bred to me, I would have thought they were bred that way if you would have left it out of the post.

[JRSPITS]

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/6/7/7/Picture463_thumb.jpg (http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=21538&c=3&userid=7677)

Here is my blue whale LOL. She is watchdog/york and some ofrn. She weighs about 55lbs conditioned. Love her drive and energy level no matter what anyone else thinks about her color.

[BoiBoi]

um just to add a little side note, at the PA AADR show a few weeks ago i talked to a guy who was showing three dogs, a large red/red nose male, a fawn and white female that looked pretty damn nice, and a pup from them 2. Well come to find his female placed in the show and after talking to him i found out she was heavy razor's edge with a little ofrn mixed in. That surprized me because she was no bigger than 45lbs and was pretty much conformationally correct, just not as conditioned as the gamedogs at the show, go figure

[EDOGZ818]

I'm going to have to agree with everybody. The are good AmStaff people breeding for an athletic dog that can hang in just about any sport. And there are people bastardizing APBTs into something that looks like tapioca pudding. People treat "AmStaff" like its a 4-letter word synonymous with herpes. And any dog that is not directly off game stock has got the herpes on them (ie, is an AmStaff). Folks get really eager to sling around some derogatory language so they can set themselves apart from others. As though what the breed desperately needs right now is even more fragmentation among the fanciers. If I were an irresponsible idiot, I would deserve a public flogging. But wanting to get in a tiff and cut me down because my dog is not what you think it should be -- and I'm talking about a standard-bred dog, not a bully -- is complete BS. I figure the people who enough time on their hands to play pedigree police must not spend enough time fighting BSL.

I like most of the dogs posted here. They may not be my personal preferred type, but you just can't bitch about a dog who is cared for, fed well, exercised, trained, etc.Spoken like a true dogman / woman. A lot of clowns should take your advice, but they "Know it all", already. (Know It All = FOOL)

@BOOGIEMAN : Plain and simple; thats the best looking Razor's Edge stuff I've ever seen, let alone heard of. If you bought that dog, for whatever price, the rest should be free for you. For life. I bet you haven't shown the breeders the "after", pic, and if you did, I would think they put it on thier site or kept it for all to see. TRUE 'DAT or NOT TRUE 'DAT?

[BoogiemanBlood]

positive or negative all those dogs look how theyre bred to me, I would have thought they were bred that way if you would have left it out of the post.i hear ya. if you look at nick closely you can see what he is if you have a knowledge of APBT. i've had people ask me if he is a york dog before, then i've had people ask if he is a colby dog. go figure.

all in all though he's a good dog with a great temperment.

[COLDSTEEL APBT]

True dat no one can complain with a dog owner that takes good care, TLC's, and feeds thier pets.

As someone mentioned the look of these dogs perhaps can be described as reconizable unrecognisable. I'm sure the few that you guys might own that are 40-50 lbs have produced the squatty, dwarflook, or tall lanky in the same litter. Basicly they produce like themselves "scatterbred".

With so many breedings philosophies from all the breeders of these lines:
York,Gaff,Watchdog,Razor's Edge,Kimmar,Kar-Ron,Woodforest,ofrn,rowdytown and others in between or after. No true fancier even those in the bully world will ever take these dogs seriously.

These are dogs that escaped the furnace and ended up with good families that love them just the way they are P.o.s/Ampitts/mutts or whatever oxoxoxo

[BoogiemanBlood]

True dat no one can complain with a dog owner that takes good care, TLC's, and feeds thier pets.

As someone mentioned the look of these dogs perhaps can be described as reconizable unrecognisable. I'm sure the few that you guys might own that are 40-50 lbs have produced the squatty, dwarflook, or tall lanky in the same litter. Basicly they produce like themselves "scatterbred".

With so many breedings philosophies from all the breeders of these lines:
York,Gaff,Watchdog,Razor's Edge,Kimmar,Kar-Ron,Woodforest,ofrn,rowdytown and others in between or after. No true fancier even those in the bully world will ever take these dogs seriously.

These are dogs that escaped the furnace and ended up with good families that love them just the way they are P.o.s/Ampitts/mutts or whatever oxoxoxoLMFAO! now if you aren't the pot calling the kettle black! you talk shit on all these dogs, call them p.o.s. and mutts.......and have the nerve to peddle the hippo garbage you peddle. not to mention steal somebody elses kennel name to draw attention to your site by mistake for people looking for the REAL Cold Steel Pits. sorry charlie but you're barkin' up the wrong tree on this one! nothing new though.....you've never been the sharpest pencil in the box on here.

i guess these cows are "taken seriously" in the dog world huh? lmao

http://www.coldsteelapbt.com/studs.htm

before anybody cries i'm bashing.......i'm just responding to what he wrote.....so who did the bashing?

[diva]

True dat no one can complain with a dog owner that takes good care, TLC's, and feeds thier pets.

As someone mentioned the look of these dogs perhaps can be described as reconizable unrecognisable. I'm sure the few that you guys might own that are 40-50 lbs have produced the squatty, dwarflook, or tall lanky in the same litter. Basicly they produce like themselves "scatterbred".

With so many breedings philosophies from all the breeders of these lines:
York,Gaff,Watchdog,Razor's Edge,Kimmar,Kar-Ron,Woodforest,ofrn,rowdytown and others in between or after. No true fancier even those in the bully world will ever take these dogs seriously.

These are dogs that escaped the furnace and ended up with good families that love them just the way they are P.o.s/Ampitts/mutts or whatever oxoxoxoI don't understand why you put OFRN in there.

[EDOGZ818]

Ha, ha Good comeback @ Boogieman. (LMFAO)
Always some good interbreed bashing going on here. (Just like the real world) and its always give and take.
"These are dogs that escaped the furnace and ended up with good families that love them just the way they are P.o.s/Ampitts/mutts or whatever oxoxoxo".... Cold Steel Pits
^^^^Seriously, though, the ones that love them just the way they are, are considered dogmen in my book. I realize culling is a part of life, but the person who loves his dog win , lose, or draw, competes fairly and with respect to his athlete and the opposing one , bestows humanity, praise and discipline gets my vote. Somehow these principles have been scoffed at, even lost during this generation.
I remember on the T.V. show "The Wire", I think, Method Man matched and lost due to a foul. (Rub, poision etc..can't really remember) , and he put his dog down because of the loss. He felt bad doing it, and even worse when he later found out he was cheated. It was fictional of course (Like some of the Dogmen here), but was real in the sense that he felt for his dog, his friend or "My Man", as he referred to him on the show.
Its bad when you repay years of loyalty and companionship with a bullet in the head etc.. because of losing a competition. To me that shows a lack of loyalty on behalf of the person. I see them same type of person, turning on thier friends (IE: snitching, letting them get jumped, etc...) if they feel the situation "JUSTIFIES", such action. Either that or they just have to many dogs.

I feel if a dog curs after 18mths, its his fault, before that... its the owners.

[fitzpit]

well here's my york/razors edge dog. he was the runt of the litter and i took him in. same type of dog as you IP....before the razors edge was the mess it is now. i'm not defending RE....don't get me wrong, just sayin it wasn't always the way it is now. nick 53 lbs

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/9/6/2/DSC01322.JPG
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/9/6/2/DSC02611.JPG


Thats one of the best looking dogs I've ever seen.Very nice.

[JRSPITS]

I don't understand why you put OFRN in there.
I think he added OFRN because I said my blue dog goes back to it. Along with the york and watchdog.

[COLDSTEEL APBT]

Daaaaaaaaam you got defensive LoL-
Sorry I called your dog scatterbred. I take it back he's a nice ampitt.
I don't sell dog to nobody my yard has been closed to the public for more than a year. SO how am I a peddler ? I never stole anyones kennel name to draw attention to my site LOL-
ANyone looking for the real Cold Steel Pits would know the difference.
Coldsteel Kennels has been on the web since 1999 baby-Coldsteel Kennels breeds basicly 100% Castillo bloodline.

You sound like a small child crying because someone kicked his dog, Relax why you getting lit up sparky ?


LMFAO! now if you aren't the pot calling the kettle black! you talk shit on all these dogs, call them p.o.s. and mutts.......and have the nerve to peddle the hippo garbage you peddle. not to mention steal somebody elses kennel name to draw attention to your site by mistake for people looking for the REAL Cold Steel Pits. sorry charlie but you're barkin' up the wrong tree on this one! nothing new though.....you've never been the sharpest pencil in the box on here.

i guess these cows are "taken seriously" in the dog world huh? lmao

http://www.coldsteelapbt.com/studs.htm

before anybody cries i'm bashing.......i'm just responding to what he wrote.....so who did the bashing?

[BoogiemanBlood]

Daaaaaaaaam you got defensive LoL-
Sorry I called your dog scatterbred. I take it back he's a nice ampitt.
I don't sell dog to nobody my yard has been closed to the public for more than a year. SO how am I a peddler ? I never stole anyones kennel name to draw attention to my site LOL-
ANyone looking for the real Cold Steel Pits would know the difference.
Coldsteel Kennels has been on the web since 1999 baby-Coldsteel Kennels breeds basicly 100% Castillo bloodline.

You sound like a small child crying because someone kicked his dog, Relax why you getting lit up sparky ?nope no cryin here. just tellin it like it is. i guess if you want to try and put the spin on it that way feel free and try all you like. just found it awfully intresting you down the type of dogs that you yourself own. as far as your response to the identical kennel name.....lol yeah right. if you been in business since 1999 then you been in business a mere fraction of the time as cold steel pits so everybody can believe what they want to believe. huh.....just happened to come up with that name????? cold steel apbt's.....how ironic!!!!!!! as far as the "yard closed to the public for a year" i'll just say.......that's a lie period. i was at your site not more than a month ago and it didn't say that. i was there this morning to get the link to the moose page and it wasn't there....now magically it appears there after this. i guess if you think nick is scatterbred then you couldn't read a ped to save your life! lmao he may be a razors edge/york dog, but i got a 7 generation ped for him that people who fancy these dogs would drool over. he is what he is and he ain't what he ain't.....and he ain't scatterbred you simpleton.....lmao

anyway, thanks for responding and trying to turn my post into "me crying" it's obvious now that you've been exposed that was your only defense.

to everyone else who posted in this thread pertaining to the actual topic. thanks!


oh and btw.......if you kicked my dog i wouldn't cry....i'd just beat your ass. ;)

[COLDSTEEL APBT]

bumbskiiiiii

[COLDSTEEL APBT]

I read one sentence of your post this is what it sounds to me: blah blah blah blahb blah blah blah blah blah-

Castillo dogs have been around since 1981- I linebreed from dogs directly from Tekla Castillo's yard or people that have gotten thier from her.

Last month, last week, yesterday what did you see that was different ? You saw pups for sale ? It must have been from the Casper x La llorona breeding hehe.

It's really not about your dog so dont take it personal. I'm sure all the people drooling over your dog's pedigree would agree with this:

If you get an ice cream cone with two scoops one of vanilla and the other of shit it would be yummy ! Want to add some Heinz 57 on it as topping ?


nope no cryin here. just tellin it like it is. i guess if you want to try and put the spin on it that way feel free and try all you like. just found it awfully intresting you down the type of dogs that you yourself own. as far as your response to the identical kennel name.....lol yeah right. if you been in business since 1999 then you been in business a mere fraction of the time as cold steel pits so everybody can believe what they want to believe. huh.....just happened to come up with that name????? cold steel apbt's.....how ironic!!!!!!! as far as the "yard closed to the public for a year" i'll just say.......that's a lie period. i was at your site not more than a month ago and it didn't say that. i was there this morning to get the link to the moose page and it wasn't there....now magically it appears there after this. i guess if you think nick is scatterbred then you couldn't read a ped to save your life! lmao he may be a razors edge/york dog, but i got a 7 generation ped for him that people who fancy these dogs would drool over. he is what he is and he ain't what he ain't.....and he ain't scatterbred you simpleton.....lmao

anyway, thanks for responding and trying to turn my post into "me crying" it's obvious now that you've been exposed that was your only defense.

to everyone else who posted in this thread pertaining to the actual topic. thanks!

[BoiBoi]

I read one sentence of your post this is what it sounds to me: blah blah blah blahb blah blah blah blah blah-

Castillo dogs have been around since 1981- I linebreed from dogs directly from Tekla Castillo's yard or people that have gotten thier from her.

Last month, last week, yesterday what did you see that was different ? You saw pups for sale ? It must have been from the Casper x La llorona breeding hehe.

It's really not about your dog so dont take it personal. I'm sure all the people drooling over your dog's pedigree would agree with this:

If you get an ice cream cone with two scoops one of vanilla and the other of shit it would be yummy ! Want to add some Heinz 57 on it as topping ?u talk about the castillo line like its something great and worth talking about

i don't care if they were around since the 1800's, as long as people like u own and breed those types of dogs then they will be nothing more than decorations for ur leashes

[NcPrisonGuard]

Here's Folsom.. now he's scatterbred, Watchdog and such on top.. but nice on the bottom... and he looks no where as good as Boogie's nick... but for a scatterbred half a bully I think he looks alright.. and he'll get better.






http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/6/8/2/FolsomChain.jpg



http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=245730

[CynthiaATL]

Um...so I take it ya'll know eachother ??? :)LOl yea. I agree with Baha. There are some nice looking AMStaffs and "blue" bred dogs. But there is a difference from Bullies and blue dogs. I have seen black and tan bullies and red bullies. I think the bully breeder go for that so called rare color to make more money. Which to them it is about the money not the dog.

My dog was a rescue from a friend. I saved the dog's life so I got the papers. And I am not going to breed him but I am showing him and plan on pulling him that is the only reason he is still intact. Once I get him conditoned he will look great. He has great conformation. He probably will not do real good in the ADBA but I should not have a problem championing him out in the UKC. He is considered a pet bull but at least he has a job. LOL

[BoiBoi]

Hey coldsteel, i was checking out ur site and had a few questions for u. Now i didn't look at all ur dogs but i was looking at ur dog named sasquatch and i see that he's ur best producing stud bred for performance and bullyness. Now my questions is what type of performance is he used for and what exactly is bullyness, is it like gameness

[Iverson's Pits]

Holy moly. First of all....this topic was made for debate and discussion....not the typical BULLSHIT that happens when someone posts a 'Staff. This was an outlet to share dogs of Non-game lineage that are conditioned and respectable. THAT'S ALL.

First of all, to the person who would use the rediculous term "Ampit" for an AKC registered American Staffordshire Terrier who is also a UKC registered American Pitbull Terrier....educate yourself. This dog was NOT bred for fighting abilities...he was brought into this world because both of his parents were remarkable dogs with "the total family" package. The breeder of Steel knew what he was doing and what he would produce, and it worked. Steel and all of his littermates are amazing dogs. They wouldn't stand a chance if matched, but that doesn't matter to me, the breeder, or anyone else who thinks Steel or Boogie's dog is "great looking." He very much so fits the UKC standard and is, in fact, an APBT. He came into this world mostly from his parents looks and tempraments, so I consider him a 'Staff....but guess what......h IS an AmStaff. He's not cross-bred, scatter-bred, or anything like that.

Know that this paragraph is coming from someone who owns and likes some of what the Castillo line can produce......but Come to terms and realize that the Dynamite Red Rock to Misty Kona gold breeding was MORE scatterbred than what you're calling scatterbred in these dogs. The ONLY connection between the two dogs, the FOUNDATION of the castillo line was Martin's Caesar of tufftown. Look 7 generations back...he's in there i think 4 times. 4 times in 7 generations and the rest is scattered....you call that quality breeding? NO. BUT it produced some nice LOOKING dogs. This is the same situation for the other FOUNDATION breeding of the Castillo line - Hazard Joe to Red Brava (Red Brava being Misty Kona Golds mother). It produced NICE LOOKING dogs and was then inbred and linebred upon itself to create what YOU consider to be the only good line of dogs in the world. Get over it.

Its amazing how you can call a dog a P.O.S. before ever meeting the dog, and not knowing that this dog would run circles around probably everything the Castillo line has ever produced. This dog PULLED me on a bike two days ago....at a full sprint for over 5 miles. When we got back to the house he wanted to run around with Phoenix some more.

I invite you to take a look at Steel's 7-generation pedigree and try to point out how it is scatterbred. I'll give you a hint.....Silver Trojan (double grandsire to steel) is extremely tightly bred off the Bakala blood thru the Abner/Daisy Mae breedings, even past the 7th gen. More line-bred than even the famous Castillo dogs...and guess what....they've been breeding their stock for longer than Tekla Castillo

And how about the first time I ever went to your house. You had just had a litter of dogs who's mother was 50/50 Castillo/Gaff bred to Lowjack's Remy Martin.....and in case you dont know....here's a picture of Remy - http://www.bluetownpits.com//images/remy6.jpg

[Iverson's Pits]

No replies now?

[fitzpit]

No replies now?Thats one of the ugliest dogs i've ever seen ? LOL

[Verderben]

So cold steel would you mind telling me how this dog is bred just by looking at it? :rolleyes:

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/2/5/8/5-04-2007033.jpg

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/2/5/8/5-04-2007032.jpg

[EDOGZ818]

Now being no one is a noob here, I find the bashing to be quite funny and a ok in my book.
@Iverson pits - You are always funny, and on point.( Who will ever forget the rims & groceries comment.) It seems nobody ever messes with you, you just jump on fools in your spare time.
@Cynthia - Do I detect a little ("He probably will not do real good in the ADBA but I should not have a problem championing him out in the UKC.") ukc bashing?:)

@Boogieman - Why oh, why do people never learn not to mess with you? Add another one in the win column with this " LMFAO! now if you aren't the pot calling the kettle black! you talk shit on all these dogs, call them p.o.s. and mutts.......and have the nerve to peddle the hippo garbage you peddle. not to mention steal somebody elses kennel name to draw attention to your site by mistake for people looking for the REAL Cold Steel Pits."

@ coldsteel - sorry, but you shot yourself in the foot 6x with "I don't sell dog to nobody my yard has been closed to the public for more than a year. SO how am I a peddler ? I never stole anyones kennel name to draw attention to my site LOL-
ANyone looking for the real Cold Steel Pits would know the difference. "
1) A year is long for dogs , not people. Wait 6 more years and your claim will carry a liitle more validity.
2) "ANyone looking for the real Cold Steel Pits would know the difference." Imagine if fifty cent said this about the real $.50, or "Pistol Pete", from the terror squad, saying this about "Pistol Pete Rollock" , or Rick Ross about "Freeway Ricky Ross", or Az the rapper saying this about "AZ the gangster". It does seem kinda carbon copyish. If anyone would know the difference... you would.
@ Boi Boi - You ain't never in the mood for clowin, you just mean. I guess thats that philly $hyt rubbing off on you. You wouldn't be funny except, just thinking of the possible answer to "Hey coldsteel, i was checking out ur site and had a few questions for u. Now i didn't look at all ur dogs but i was looking at ur dog named sasquatch and i see that he's ur best producing stud bred for performance and bullyness. Now my questions is what type of performance is he used for and what exactly is bullyness, is it like gameness"?, has me hollaring. I can picture you (YOUR DOGS FACE) asking this ? with a str8, emotionless expression.

Eff the dumb $hyt, I'm hanging on the edge of my seat waiting for the answer to that one.

Come on cold steel, I really do wanna know what bullyness is. Share the knowledge. I just keeping thinking of the lyrics to "THE HUMPTY DANCE, HERE's YOUR CHANCE...DO THE HUMP....JUST DO IT BABY"
(IE: "I get stupid, shoot an arrow like cupid, I use a word 'dat don't mean nothing... like "LUPID"...HUMPTY / SHOCK G)

[EDOGZ818]

- http://www.bluetownpits.com//images/remy6.jpg

TOUCHE' = OUCH!?! in French

[coolhandjean]

vBulletin Message <!-- main error message --> You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Iverson's Pits again.

[~apbtfriend~]

P.O.S = Pit or staff thats what show breeders call UKC dogs with staff in them

Well I just looked at his site Dude is ugly no offense too much excess wrinkles makes him look like a mastiff. The line he breeds are not as fat/big as you think. Most people do not exercise their dogs from this line lol <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

Canil del manto kennel has similar bloodlines his dogs clearly get more exercise. I saw the breeding you are doing with Thiago I hope the pups do not look like the daddy. I am not really trying to bash but serious the wrinkles are GROSS!. <O:p</O:p

LMAO at coldsteel pits I can't even see how you could talk with the bloodline you are running. Again I am not bashing the line I never own on or seen them in person , But it was retarded to even say anything when you dogs are like just bred for show or biggness .....:rolleyes:
</O:p<O:p</O:p
Anyways I thought I was the only one who just was sick of telling people that just because its blue or an amstaff does not = BAD. <O:p</O:p

<O:p</O:p

Razor edge used to have nice dogs. You can still find some dogs that are RE and look nice examples are Theresa dogs at Patch O pits and Blue Diamond kennels ( forgot the link too many kennels with that name) have some RE , also this dog from BNT has RE Halo and they look pretty good. <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

Of course there will ALWAYS be two or more types within a breed Show and working . I have come to realize you need to get what type you want and call it a day. <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

[CynthiaATL]

@Cynthia - Do I detect a little ("He probably will not do real good in the ADBA but I should not have a problem championing him out in the UKC.") ukc bashing?:)




Ummm no. Just being realistic and telling the truth at which regestry my dog will do better in Not saying which is better. I was told by someone that has been involved in UKC shows for 30+ years about his chances in the UKC ring. And at what he looks like now no he really has no chance in the ADBA lol. Now in the he has won Best Blue in the fun class at an ADBA show. Now if I get him conditioned and down he will have a better chance in the ADBA but I am not a fool thinking he will beat out dogs like GAPITS or MARTYs to name a few.

So do not twist my post. K thanks! ;)

[EDOGZ818]

I was joking Cynthia. Hence the smile. You were the only one who got it. Just curious since you bought it up. One of my dogs produced an ADBA Champion. What is the criteria and difference between ADBA & UKC Champions. I never asked or knew.

[CynthiaATL]

I was joking Cynthia. Hence the smile. You were the only one who got it. Just curious since you bought it up. One of my dogs produced an ADBA Champion. What is the criteria and difference between ADBA & UKC Champions. I never asked or knew.Two different criteria to judge by. They look for different things. They both have a point system.

UKC standard

http://www.ukcdogs.com/RegistrationBreeds.htm

ADBA

http://www.adbadog.com/p_pdetails.asp?fpid=32&pg=32

[EDOGZ818]

I understand the differences now, but how do you win? What do you have to win in order to attain that tittle. 3x conformation, 100 pts. Couldn't find that.

[jr Pit Guy]

Sorry, I got to butt in. Man EDOGZ, everytime the last headache you gave me goes away, you go and give me another one. Post #40. LMAO
Honestly, I almost followed you until you whipped out the old school rap. Do you have anymore of those aspirin thingys? J/K

Cold Steel, what IS bullyness anyways? Is it the boxer-like loose jaws, or the heavy weight that makes bullyness?

[BoiBoi]

@ Boi Boi - You ain't never in the mood for clowin, you just mean. I guess thats that philly $hyt rubbing off on you. You wouldn't be funny except, just thinking of the possible answer to "Hey coldsteel, i was checking out ur site and had a few questions for u. Now i didn't look at all ur dogs but i was looking at ur dog named sasquatch and i see that he's ur best producing stud bred for performance and bullyness. Now my questions is what type of performance is he used for and what exactly is bullyness, is it like gameness"?, has me hollaring. I can picture you (YOUR DOGS FACE) asking this ? with a str8, emotionless expression.

Eff the dumb $hyt, I'm hanging on the edge of my seat waiting for the answer to that one.
Nah man u got me all wrong, ask around, everyone here will tell u i clown wit the best of them, i just don't like people talkin out the @$$ like coldsteel was so i went ahead and asked a ligit question because seriously im curious as to what type of performace his dog does to qualify him as worthy to be bred and still waiting to hear the answer to what bullyness is:D
YIS
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[EDOGZ818]

Aww man, you liked the old school and I know you know the song. I bet you even liked it more than you will admit. I'm sending you a bottle of super strong that will knock you out, but don't take any, till we find out what "BULLYNESS", is. Honestly, I just wanna know if it means only picking on dogs half its size that won't stand up to it. It would be funny if michelle's chewawa backs it down and chases it away.
P.S. @ BOI BOI - We all waiting. I'm gonna be late for work for this.
P.S. x 2 = (IE: "I get stupid, shoot an arrow like cupid, I use a word 'dat don't mean nothing... like "LUPID"...HUMPTY / SHOCK G)
That classic line defined the song. I am waiting for such a literary masterpiece from cold steel. Honestly, I have heard of "GULLYNESS". (Rhymes with sullyness, mullyness,dullyness,etc..) As in keeping it "GULLY". Well just "GULLY", I just made up "GULLYNESS". Hey, If cold steel can make up words as he goes along, why can't we all. I would hate to play scrabble with cold steel.

[simms]

Holy moly. First of all....this topic was made for debate and discussion....not the typical BULLSHIT that happens when someone posts a 'Staff. This was an outlet to share dogs of Non-game lineage that are conditioned and respectable. THAT'S ALL.

First of all, to the person who would use the rediculous term "Ampit" for an AKC registered American Staffordshire Terrier who is also a UKC registered American Pitbull Terrier....educate yourself. This dog was NOT bred for fighting abilities...he was brought into this world because both of his parents were remarkable dogs with "the total family" package. The breeder of Steel knew what he was doing and what he would produce, and it worked. Steel and all of his littermates are amazing dogs. They wouldn't stand a chance if matched, but that doesn't matter to me, the breeder, or anyone else who thinks Steel or Boogie's dog is "great looking." He very much so fits the UKC standard and is, in fact, an APBT. He came into this world mostly from his parents looks and tempraments, so I consider him a 'Staff....but guess what......h IS an AmStaff. He's not cross-bred, scatter-bred, or anything like that.

Know that this paragraph is coming from someone who owns and likes some of what the Castillo line can produce......but Come to terms and realize that the Dynamite Red Rock to Misty Kona gold breeding was MORE scatterbred than what you're calling scatterbred in these dogs. The ONLY connection between the two dogs, the FOUNDATION of the castillo line was Martin's Caesar of tufftown. Look 7 generations back...he's in there i think 4 times. 4 times in 7 generations and the rest is scattered....you call that quality breeding? NO. BUT it produced some nice LOOKING dogs. This is the same situation for the other FOUNDATION breeding of the Castillo line - Hazard Joe to Red Brava (Red Brava being Misty Kona Golds mother). It produced NICE LOOKING dogs and was then inbred and linebred upon itself to create what YOU consider to be the only good line of dogs in the world. Get over it.

Its amazing how you can call a dog a P.O.S. before ever meeting the dog, and not knowing that this dog would run circles around probably everything the Castillo line has ever produced. This dog PULLED me on a bike two days ago....at a full sprint for over 5 miles. When we got back to the house he wanted to run around with Phoenix some more.

I invite you to take a look at Steel's 7-generation pedigree and try to point out how it is scatterbred. I'll give you a hint.....Silver Trojan (double grandsire to steel) is extremely tightly bred off the Bakala blood thru the Abner/Daisy Mae breedings, even past the 7th gen. More line-bred than even the famous Castillo dogs...and guess what....they've been breeding their stock for longer than Tekla Castillo

And how about the first time I ever went to your house. You had just had a litter of dogs who's mother was 50/50 Castillo/Gaff bred to Lowjack's Remy Martin.....and in case you dont know....here's a picture of Remy - http://www.bluetownpits.com//images/remy6.jpg



Iverson's Pits]Holy moly. First of all....this topic was made for debate and discussion....not the typical BULLSHIT that happens when someone posts a 'Staff. This was an outlet to share dogs of Non-game lineage that are conditioned and respectable. THAT'S ALL. That's right, this thread started out pretty good...informative. Now that this has been brought to my attention. It would be unfortunate if I (Any Mod) had to go back and clean this up.

C'mon ppl, stay on topic and clean your responses up!

Editt: If you dont get what I'm saying....go back and edit the post that dont apply to the topic!

[EDOGZ818]

"Now that this has been brought to my attention. It would be unfortunate if I (Any Mod) had to go back and clean this up. "

Ok, point taken, I'm not posting on this thread again, until Cold Steel teaches me what Bullyness is.

[CynthiaATL]

I understand the differences now, but how do you win? What do you have to win in order to attain that tittle. 3x conformation, 100 pts. Couldn't find that.
http://www.ukcdogs.com/DEFAQs.htm

[simms]

"Now that this has been brought to my attention. It would be unfortunate if I (Any Mod) had to go back and clean this up. "

Ok, point taken, I'm not posting on this thread again, until Cold Steel teaches me what Bullyness is.
I dont know what it means? I'm sure it is a term that is used fondly....however I did a little research for ya, an anyone else that might need to know


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No such word, drop it and move on if you can not contribute to the topic.

[chbk]

this is buddy one of my blue's http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/6/8/7/buddygrass5_thumb.jpg (http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23203&catid=newimages)http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/6/8/7/buddypull2_thumb.jpg (http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23202&catid=newimages)http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/6/8/7/tugwar3_thumb.jpg (http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=23201&catid=newimages)

[~apbtfriend~]

I know posting other peoples dogs is not allowed so I will make a list of some nice blue or RE dogs or just dogs people say are crap because of the color or amstaff.

Here is one to start off

FraggleRock's Ranger - SchHB, HD Frei

[Iverson's Pits]

Well, I hope the bosses don't take this as "peddling" or something....but.....

Edit-Sorry, it's against forum rules

[Iverson's Pits]

Well, I hope the bosses don't take this as "peddling" or something....but.....

Edit-Sorry, it's against forum rules
No prob....is there an area on here for adoptions? I haven't been active here for a long time and I know things have changed.....

[sapitbulls]

My first pit bull i bought was 2 years ago. And she is amazing. Her top half was all blue breed dogs except her grandfather on the top was black and white. But her mom had all red nose dogs in her ped top all blue bottom and red nose. She is black and white and weighs 55 pounds. This dog has alot of drive and a hard mouth for sure. I dident even purchase this dog as a game dog and she has showed me that she could possibly be if i wanted her to.

[maximusflys]

My first pit bull i bought was 2 years ago. And she is amazing. Her top half was all blue breed dogs except her grandfather on the top was black and white. But her mom had all red nose dogs in her ped top all blue bottom and red nose. She is black and white and weighs 55 pounds. This dog has alot of drive and a hard mouth for sure. I dident even purchase this dog as a game dog and she has showed me that she could possibly be if i wanted her to.
You are not the one who decides to "LET" a dog be game or not. It is or it isn't. Your dog is probably dog aggressive which is pretty normal in this breed and you are associating it with gameness and there is a big difference between the two.

[sapitbulls]

You are not the one who decides to "LET" a dog be game or not. It is or it isn't. Your dog is probably dog aggressive which is pretty normal in this breed and you are associating it with gameness and there is a big difference between the two.

I know, the diffrence between the too. And i had a feeling somebody was going to say something about my post. Im not going to come out in the open and say what i have done with her our would do etc if you catch my drift. What i basically meant it as is i have done all kinds of things with her to make me think it is possible for her to be "game" but she is a house pet and i wounden't go to the 100 percent mark to find out for sure because she is my companion and i wont take chances but i have done certain things. I have a mayday bitch outside and 2 house dogs. I wasen't saying i can point a finger at my dog and waive my wond and say you are now game.

[Bullyson]

Seems like after ALL the discussions on here, people STILL mistake gameness for drive. Gameness isnt about having the will to start something, its about not having the will to stop. sapitbulls, that post was rediculous. wun too free, you game!

Im not going to come out in the open and say what i have done with her our would do etc if you catch my drift.