WOW!!! 11 pups born today!!!!

[youngster]

Well i must say it's been an eventful day so far, around 630 am my bitch starts goin' into labor and just had her 11th about 20 minutes ago(1:00 pm). Hopefully their are no more in there. they are the cutest pups ever. I will post pics later on today.
O they are a HEAVY Nigerino, HEAVY Tab cross by the way if anyone cares.
-Youngster

[coolhandjean]

Well i must say it's been an eventful day so far, around 630 am my bitch starts goin' into labor and just had her 11th about 20 minutes ago(1:00 pm). Hopefully their are no more in there. they are the cutest pups ever. I will post pics later on today.
O they are a HEAVY Nigerino, HEAVY Tab cross by the way if anyone cares.
-YoungsterCongrats! Can't wait to see some pictures...Way to go to your girl!

[twiztidpitz]

WOW!! Congrats on the big litter! Seems like alot of people are having around 11 pups. I've seen I know 3 or 4 people just this year.

[youngster]

yea it was way more then i expected. here's a pic. I'll up load somemore later:
The Dam is 6xTab, 4xJeep and 2x CH Brute in the 1st 4 gens!!!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/bluesteve1/litterpic.jpg


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/bluesteve1/Picture003-3.jpg

[miakoda]

The only thing I'm going to comment on is the picture. Those pups need to be inside out of a pool that is full of leaves and debris. A whelping box with an inch to 2 inch railing is much better than a pool as well. ;)

[olered]

sounds like some good dogs to have........ my jip i had, normally spit out from 9-11 pups. we had a rottweiller one time, that spit out 15 pups... her first litter, needless to say she lost most of em, being her first litter, and as big as a rott is, she stepped or layed on alot of em and she had so many they were all over the place.

[BoogiemanBlood]

yea it was way more then i expected. here's a pic. I'll up load somemore later:
The Dam is 6xTab, 4xJeep and 2x CH Brute in the 1st 4 gens!!!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/bluesteve1/litterpic.jpg


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/bluesteve1/Picture003-3.jpghow come the date is feb 1, 2006?

[youngster]

we didn't set the datefor some reason and didn't relize it was wrong till after the pic was taken. I be sure to set it right when i take some more pics.

[BoogiemanBlood]

good luck 11 is gonna be a handfull! ;)

[screamin'eagle]

Be sure that the damn is on a high quality feed, and supplements specific for nursing bitch...11 pups will take a lot out of her!

[coolhandjean]

They look great! Congrats again!

[Michele]

In the first picture, that one pup all sprawled out ...LMAOOOOOO..they are so cute

[Fedor23]

Congrats to ya.I know someone who had 14 pups. Crazy

[hrdeluxe]

Congratulations!!!


Keep that Momma fat. She'll need it.

[Phebes]

Oh goody 11 more pups in the world.

[Iverson's Pits]

I helped deliver a litter of 16 once. 11 is alot to deal with....for you AND the mother. Early weaning will most likely be necessary and supplimenting mama's diet will be as well. Hope all pups got some of that first batch of mamas milk.

[Bullyson]

Oh goody 11 more pups in the world.That was kind of rude. You dont know if this person is being irresponsible. Anyhow, good luck with those pups. I had a bitch throw 11 back in the day and we had to wean early. They were killing my dogs stomach. Scratched her deep until she bled. It wasnt a good thing. Like I said, best of luck and I hope you've done this before. YIS, D.

[frenchie1936]

Oh goody 11 more pups in the world. i would say it was more than a little rude. the survival of our breed depends on responsible breeders doing just that: breeding. do you work at a shelter? are some AR nut? you let your emotions cloud your vision. if you do work at a shelter that would explain what is on the bottom of your posts about the multiplication of dogs. which btw, is not accurate as pups die and so do dogs before they have a chance to breed. so let's be a little more realilistic. and why not PM them and find out what kind of person they are before passing judgement on them?

[Phebes]

That was kind of rude. You dont know if this person is being irresponsible. Anyhow, good luck with those pups. I had a bitch throw 11 back in the day and we had to wean early. They were killing my dogs stomach. Scratched her deep until she bled. It wasnt a good thing. Like I said, best of luck and I hope you've done this before. YIS, D.
Guess it was but since I have 6 foster pups at the present time in my home one only 4 weeks old it kinda makes me a little jaded when it comes to people being responsible breeders. You would just love the story about how a 3 1/2 week old pup ends up in a animal shelter or maybe you wouldn't. Five of my fosters are APBT and one is anybody's guess.
I will be greatly surprised if some of these pups don't end up at the shelter.
People just love to dump APBTs on the side of the road between the ages of 4 months to 8 months. I think they find out they bit off more than they can chew when the pup starts destroying the house and getting out of the yard.
Everyone wants an APBT puppy but very few people want an APBT adolescent.

[Michele]

Guess it was but since I have 6 foster pups at the present time in my home one only 4 weeks old it kinda makes me a little jaded when it comes to people being responsible breeders. You would just love the story about how a 3 1/2 week old pup ends up in a animal shelter or maybe you wouldn't. Five of my fosters are APBT and one is anybody's guess.
I will be greatly surprised if some of these pups don't end up at the shelter.
People just love to dump APBTs on the side of the road between the ages of 4 months to 8 months. I think they find out they bit off more than they can chew when the pup starts destroying the house and getting out of the yard.
Everyone wants an APBT puppy but very few people want an APBT adolescent.
I totally understand what you are saying but why don't you just ask the OP what the plans are for these pups. Maybe there are homes already lined up?

[simms]

Guess it was but since I have 6 foster pups at the present time in my home one only 4 weeks old it kinda makes me a little jaded when it comes to people being responsible breeders. You would just love the story about how a 3 1/2 week old pup ends up in a animal shelter or maybe you wouldn't. Five of my fosters are APBT and one is anybody's guess.
I will be greatly surprised if some of these pups don't end up at the shelter.
People just love to dump APBTs on the side of the road between the ages of 4 months to 8 months. I think they find out they bit off more than they can chew when the pup starts destroying the house and getting out of the yard.
Everyone wants an APBT puppy but very few people want an APBT adolescent.See that is the problem with the mind set of the "rescuer" yet you are still no different from those who legislate against this breed or peddle pups. You see, i dont place/sell with in the public nor do I condone what you do....for arguments sake what separates you from someone that sells/places with in the public?

Those pups that you have should have been culled and you kept none the wiser!

Instead of Bitching, you could have posted some good info and set the poster on a better path with placing these animals if that's what they choose to do with them in the first place.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

UUUUUPPPPPSSSSSS it's getting hot in here!!!! lol

BTW Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!

[Verderben]

cute pups. hope they work out for ya!

[BLACKPIT13]

congrats on your pups and u probably welcome advise jus not a lecture

[lockjaw]

See that is the problem with the mind set of the "rescuer" yet you are still no different from those who legislate against this breed or peddle pups. You see, i dont place/sell with in the public nor do I condone what you do....for arguments sake what separates you from someone that sells/places with in the public?

Those pups that you have should have been culled and you kept none the wiser!

Instead of Bitching, you could have posted some good info and set the poster on a better path with placing these animals if that's what they choose to do with them in the first place.yup 100% i fully agree..

[NCPatchwork]

I totally understand what you are saying but why don't you just ask the OP what the plans are for these pups. Maybe there are homes already lined up?I agree...I'll start my own post for the rant.

Good luck with the pups, now its time to put weight on the moma!

[Bullyson]

Guess it was but since I have 6 foster pups at the present time in my home one only 4 weeks old it kinda makes me a little jaded when it comes to people being responsible breeders. You would just love the story about how a 3 1/2 week old pup ends up in a animal shelter or maybe you wouldn't. Five of my fosters are APBT and one is anybody's guess.
I will be greatly surprised if some of these pups don't end up at the shelter.
People just love to dump APBTs on the side of the road between the ages of 4 months to 8 months. I think they find out they bit off more than they can chew when the pup starts destroying the house and getting out of the yard.
Everyone wants an APBT puppy but very few people want an APBT adolescent. Yeah, Im sure there are alot of Nigerino/Tab dogs in the shelter. EVERYONE loves to take game stock and turn em loose in the house. Then when they chew on something they just drop em off at your shelter. Give people a little credit. This breeding obviously happened for a reason. ;)

[Phebes]

I love the way everyone assumes the members of this forum are all responsible breeders.
1. the poor bitch has bones hanging out all over
2. she and the pups are laying in a filty pool.
No bedding just a little dirt and leaves so excuse me if I take the pictures at face value and assume the breeder will take as much care finding them homes as they took giving them a warm soft clean place to sleep.

Some people assume the dogs in rescue all should have been culled. All are badly bred and no way a well bred APBT would ever end up in a shelter.
Selling puppies is a business and the people who are selling 4 to 14 litters a year are selling to anyone with the money to buy a pup. Many of those people have very well bred dogs. Apbts end up in shelter the same way dog breeds with price tags of $500 to $2000 end up in shelters. Someone wanted the dog and for whatever reason ends up no longer wanting the dog so the simplest solution is the animal shelter and the most popular because they don't have to balls to walk into a shelter is to open the car door. That's how my eldest daughter got her APBT 8 years ago. I watched a woman drive into a parking lot I was in and throw the pup out the door. I will tell you right now that my daughter has one of the most beautiful well behaved dogs I have ever known. Granted she will try to kill any dog she sees but that is a minor problem since she is an only dog and contained very well.
You don't really think anyone on here who is breeding their dogs and having 3, 5 or 8 litters a year are going to say I do it for the money?
Shit just ask the guy with the truck full of puppies at Walmart he'll say he is a responsible breeder.
People get divorced, people lose their jobs, their homes. They have to move and sometimes many are to embarassed to return the dog to where they got it when these things happen to them. So once again these dogs that could not possibly ever end up in a shelter end up there.
Let me tell you that how well bred a dog is has nothing to do with keeping them out of a shelter and if you think it does you are sadly mistaken.
Another misconception: we do not pull just any pit bull type dog out of a shelter. For every pit bull type dog pulled from a shelter in this area 10 or more get PTS. Only the very best are pulled. Puppies they are different. I have no idea what they will be like when full grown. But I can give them a sane and consistant start in life.

[coolhandjean]

1. the poor bitch has bones hanging out all over
2. she and the pups are laying in a filty pool.
No bedding just a little dirt and leaves so excuse me if I take the pictures at face value and assume the breeder will take as much care finding them homes as they took giving them a warm soft clean place to sleep.
I can't account for reason 2, but reason one is probably that she had 11 puppies, so it took a lot out of her system. She is super thin now, but if he is a responsible breeder, then I am sure he is giving her all the food necessary to get her back up to her weight, and to give her strength to care for all those pups..
Though other people have addressed that he should keep them somewhere better...

[Tonka03]

not trying to take one side or the other,,, buuuuut she/he has made a damn good point here

alos in turn the pups will prolly never see the likes of your "normal" public people either.


I love the way everyone assumes the members of this forum are all responsible breeders.
1. the poor bitch has bones hanging out all over
2. she and the pups are laying in a filty pool.
No bedding just a little dirt and leaves so excuse me if I take the pictures at face value and assume the breeder will take as much care finding them homes as they took giving them a warm soft clean place to sleep.

Some people assume the dogs in rescue all should have been culled. All are badly bred and no way a well bred APBT would ever end up in a shelter.
Selling puppies is a business and the people who are selling 4 to 14 litters a year are selling to anyone with the money to buy a pup. Many of those people have very well bred dogs. Apbts end up in shelter the same way dog breeds with price tags of $500 to $2000 end up in shelters. Someone wanted the dog and for whatever reason ends up no longer wanting the dog so the simplest solution is the animal shelter and the most popular because they don't have to balls to walk into a shelter is to open the car door. That's how my eldest daughter got her APBT 8 years ago. I watched a woman drive into a parking lot I was in and throw the pup out the door. I will tell you right now that my daughter has one of the most beautiful well behaved dogs I have ever known. Granted she will try to kill any dog she sees but that is a minor problem since she is an only dog and contained very well.
You don't really think anyone on here who is breeding their dogs and having 3, 5 or 8 litters a year are going to say I do it for the money?
Shit just ask the guy with the truck full of puppies at Walmart he'll say he is a responsible breeder.
People get divorced, people lose their jobs, their homes. They have to move and sometimes many are to embarassed to return the dog to where they got it when these things happen to them. So once again these dogs that could not possibly ever end up in a shelter end up there.
Let me tell you that how well bred a dog is has nothing to do with keeping them out of a shelter and if you think it does you are sadly mistaken.
Another misconception: we do not pull just any pit bull type dog out of a shelter. For every pit bull type dog pulled from a shelter in this area 10 or more get PTS. Only the very best are pulled. Puppies they are different. I have no idea what they will be like when full grown. But I can give them a sane and consistant start in life.

[Tonka03]

UUUUUPPPPPSSSSSS it's getting hot in here!!!! lol

BTW Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!


sup caesar hows it been? and yes it is getting a lil toasty too!!
lmao

[Phebes]

Yeah, Im sure there are alot of Nigerino/Tab dogs in the shelter. EVERYONE loves to take game stock and turn em loose in the house. Then when they chew on something they just drop em off at your shelter. Give people a little credit. This breeding obviously happened for a reason. ;)
Well considering you can buy a Nigerino dog many places online for only $500 and have if shipped to you there just might be a few of them in the shelters but since people don't supply the pedigree when turning in their dog we will never know for sure.

[Phebes]

I can't account for reason 2, but reason one is probably that she had 11 puppies, so it took a lot out of her system. She is super thin now, but if he is a responsible breeder, then I am sure he is giving her all the food necessary to get her back up to her weight, and to give her strength to care for all those pups..
Though other people have addressed that he should keep them somewhere better...
If she wasn't being fed enough to carry the litter and still have some weight up on her how the hell do you think she is going to look after nursing that litter for 5 or 6 weeks?
If you think the pregnancy took a lot out of her wait and see what nursing does.

[Michele]

2. she and the pups are laying in a filty pool.
No bedding just a little dirt and leaves so excuse me if I take the pictures at face value and assume the breeder will take as much care finding them homes as they took giving them a warm soft clean place to sleep.
I agree with this 100%. I guess when the OP comes back to read the thread, maybe the pups and momma will be moved to a more "healthy" place. I would also like to know if all the pups have homes lined up or if the OP is keeping them.

[coolhandjean]

If she wasn't being fed enough to carry the litter and still have some weight up on her how the hell do you think she is going to look after nursing that litter for 5 or 6 weeks?
If you think the pregnancy took a lot out of her wait and see what nursing does.I have seen people who have breed their dog, and the first few days after giving birth, their bitch looked super thin (maybe not that thin), and they were feeding her plenty during and after the pregnancy. They feed her enough to handle the nursing as well...

I'm not saying this is the same case with this guy, but it is possible. Like I said, she did have 11 pups...

It seems like you are taking everything as an attack. I am not attacking you, or standing up for this guy. I am just giving other options that might be the reason. I don't know you or this guy, so who knows what is the truth, only he can tell us that...

[simms]

I agree with this 100%. I guess when the OP comes back to read the thread, maybe the pups and momma will be moved to a more "healthy" place. I would also like to know if all the pups have homes lined up or if the OP is keeping them.
The OP is most likely keeping them and within the respected circle that he has.

[simms]

I have seen people who have breed their dog, and the first few days after giving birth, their bitch looked super thin (maybe not that thin), and they were feeding her plenty during and after the pregnancy. They feed her enough to handle the nursing as well...
I'm not saying this is the same case with this guy, but it is possible. Like I said, she did have 11 pups.
I've seen them look thinner and they were cared for. Truth be known that bitch aint that thin.

[coolhandjean]

I've seen them look thinner and they were cared for. Truth be known that bitch aint that thin.My point exactly.

[Michele]

The OP is most likely keeping them and within the respected circle that he has.
that's good to hear.

[simms]

If she wasn't being fed enough to carry the litter and still have some weight up on her how the hell do you think she is going to look after nursing that litter for 5 or 6 weeks?
If you think the pregnancy took a lot out of her wait and see what nursing does.
Pheebes you aint the sharpest tool in the shed here.....

[simms]

I agree with this 100%. I guess when the OP comes back to read the thread, maybe the pups and momma will be moved to a more "healthy" place. I would also like to know if all the pups have homes lined up or if the OP is keeping them.

Did you ever stop to consider that those pics could have been taken while those pups and momma were out of thier pen while it was being cleaned and disinfected? Not everyone welps thier pups in the house. Looks as if ya'll are digging here.

[Michele]

Did you ever stop to consider that those pics could have been taken while those pups and momma were out of thier pen while it was being cleaned and disinfected? Not everyone welps thier pups in the house. Looks as if ya'll are digging here.I'm not digging at all. I posted that I would wait for the OP to read the thread. If that is the case, the OP should of posted that the momma and pups were out of their pen while it was being cleaned. I'm only going by the pictures the OP posted. I think anyone would make the same comment by the pictures that were posted. I believe someone on the first page did make a comment about it.

[frenchie1936]

I love the way everyone assumes the members of this forum are all responsible breeders.
1. the poor bitch has bones hanging out all over
2. she and the pups are laying in a filty pool.
No bedding just a little dirt and leaves so excuse me if I take the pictures at face value and assume the breeder will take as much care finding them homes as they took giving them a warm soft clean place to sleep.

Some people assume the dogs in rescue all should have been culled. All are badly bred and no way a well bred APBT would ever end up in a shelter.
Selling puppies is a business and the people who are selling 4 to 14 litters a year are selling to anyone with the money to buy a pup. Many of those people have very well bred dogs. Apbts end up in shelter the same way dog breeds with price tags of $500 to $2000 end up in shelters. Someone wanted the dog and for whatever reason ends up no longer wanting the dog so the simplest solution is the animal shelter and the most popular because they don't have to balls to walk into a shelter is to open the car door. That's how my eldest daughter got her APBT 8 years ago. I watched a woman drive into a parking lot I was in and throw the pup out the door. I will tell you right now that my daughter has one of the most beautiful well behaved dogs I have ever known. Granted she will try to kill any dog she sees but that is a minor problem since she is an only dog and contained very well.
You don't really think anyone on here who is breeding their dogs and having 3, 5 or 8 litters a year are going to say I do it for the money?
Shit just ask the guy with the truck full of puppies at Walmart he'll say he is a responsible breeder.
People get divorced, people lose their jobs, their homes. They have to move and sometimes many are to embarassed to return the dog to where they got it when these things happen to them. So once again these dogs that could not possibly ever end up in a shelter end up there.
Let me tell you that how well bred a dog is has nothing to do with keeping them out of a shelter and if you think it does you are sadly mistaken.
Another misconception: we do not pull just any pit bull type dog out of a shelter. For every pit bull type dog pulled from a shelter in this area 10 or more get PTS. Only the very best are pulled. Puppies they are different. I have no idea what they will be like when full grown. But I can give them a sane and consistant start in life.
my god...... you ARE an AR nut! i toht i saw a putty tat!

[simms]

I love the way everyone assumes the members of this forum are all responsible breeders.
1. the poor bitch has bones hanging out all over
2. she and the pups are laying in a filty pool.
No bedding just a little dirt and leaves so excuse me if I take the pictures at face value and assume the breeder will take as much care finding them homes as they took giving them a warm soft clean place to sleep.

Some people assume the dogs in rescue all should have been culled. All are badly bred and no way a well bred APBT would ever end up in a shelter.
Selling puppies is a business and the people who are selling 4 to 14 litters a year are selling to anyone with the money to buy a pup. Many of those people have very well bred dogs. Apbts end up in shelter the same way dog breeds with price tags of $500 to $2000 end up in shelters. Someone wanted the dog and for whatever reason ends up no longer wanting the dog so the simplest solution is the animal shelter and the most popular because they don't have to balls to walk into a shelter is to open the car door. That's how my eldest daughter got her APBT 8 years ago. I watched a woman drive into a parking lot I was in and throw the pup out the door. I will tell you right now that my daughter has one of the most beautiful well behaved dogs I have ever known. Granted she will try to kill any dog she sees but that is a minor problem since she is an only dog and contained very well.
You don't really think anyone on here who is breeding their dogs and having 3, 5 or 8 litters a year are going to say I do it for the money?
Shit just ask the guy with the truck full of puppies at Walmart he'll say he is a responsible breeder.
People get divorced, people lose their jobs, their homes. They have to move and sometimes many are to embarassed to return the dog to where they got it when these things happen to them. So once again these dogs that could not possibly ever end up in a shelter end up there.
Let me tell you that how well bred a dog is has nothing to do with keeping them out of a shelter and if you think it does you are sadly mistaken.
Another misconception: we do not pull just any pit bull type dog out of a shelter. For every pit bull type dog pulled from a shelter in this area 10 or more get PTS. Only the very best are pulled. Puppies they are different. I have no idea what they will be like when full grown. But I can give them a sane and consistant start in life.You make some good points.....none the less each and every time you place an animal with in the public you run the same risk as a breeder....less the ability to breed.

What sepparates you from what you do and everyone else?

I know what the stats are,,,,the very best being pulled does nothing to ease my thought and oppinion on the subject.

[realonebulldog]

Well i must say it's been an eventful day so far, around 630 am my bitch starts goin' into labor and just had her 11th about 20 minutes ago(1:00 pm). Hopefully their are no more in there. they are the cutest pups ever. I will post pics later on today.
O they are a HEAVY Nigerino, HEAVY Tab cross by the way if anyone cares.
-Youngster Congrats...very cute pups. Many white spots...good luck!!:)

[XxKonnectionsxX]

This post went from showing off puppies, to somone who doesn't take care of them, to dissin' on them about cleaning procedures. Damn did yall want the puppies to be dipped in PLATINUM and sparkling when they took this picture. Some of you people on here act really silly. Probably never even had a litter of puppies and some of you don;t even own a damn apbt. lol Tooo funny....!!!!

[realonebulldog]

Congrats...very cute pups. Many white spots...good luck!!:) I read all the comments and I have to say the mother looks healthy and that little swimming-pool looks not that bad.

[Michele]

This post went from showing off puppies, to somone who doesn't take care of them, to dissin' on them about cleaning procedures. Damn did yall want the puppies to be dipped in PLATINUM and sparkling when they took this picture. Some of you people on here act really silly. Probably never even had a litter of puppies and some of you don;t even own a damn apbt. lol Tooo funny....!!!!if that comment was directed at me about not owning a apbt, that's right, I don't. What of it? Bring it on..what of it?

[simms]

This post went from showing off puppies, to somone who doesn't take care of them, to dissin' on them about cleaning procedures. Damn did yall want the puppies to be dipped in PLATINUM and sparkling when they took this picture. Some of you people on here act really silly. Probably never even had a litter of puppies and some of you don;t even own a damn apbt. lol Tooo funny....!!!!

LOL, everyone is willing to crituiqe (sp?) yet thier not willing to post any helpfull info. XxKonnectionsxX, your right...LOL

[simms]

if that comment was directed at me about not owning a apbt, that's right, I don't. What of it? Bring it on..what of it?
Your not the only one, no one said you in speciffic....we all know how froggy you get, settle down already...LOL

[Michele]

Your not the only one, no one said you in speciffic....we all know how froggy you get, settle down already...LOLfroggy? What does that mean. I might take that as a compliment:D

[Suki]

yeah, so anyway

back to the subject at hand...
best of luck with the litter, and if the pups are outside for the sake of the pic, then i'm sure you'll be doing the responsible thing and moving them back, to a cleaner environment.
good luck with them!:) (mama, too).

[simms]

froggy? What does that mean. I might take that as a compliment:D
I rarely share stories, but several years ago. I had this family of chi's 3 that boarded together. Well, one morning had come in and 2 of the chi's killed one of thier house mates....it was sad, ya know these were adult and geriatric animals lived together thier whole lives. One moment changed the fate of that household. Not to mention my boarding policy :)

Anywho just cause you have a chi means little to me as I know what nasty little dogs they can be...LOL

[Michele]

Anywho just cause you have a chi means little to me as I know what nasty little dogs they can be...LOL<!-- / message --><!-- sig --> well, you know what they say, owner takes after dog...HAHA.....just kidding, thanks for the story:) ...i have to say, mine is a sweety pie.....he's a pimp:D

as far as the OP's pictures, the pups are adorable and i'm really glad that they will stay within the "circle".

[Bullyson]

I've seen them look thinner and they were cared for. Truth be known that bitch aint that thin.No, shes not. Ive seen bitches lose alot more weight than that whelping a litter. Granted, I dont know what she looked like before hand, but shes not falling off by any means. And as far as the pool goes, I could agree with having at least a blanket in there but then again...Ive seen worse than that too and all the pups ended up fine. Just like we assume there are responsible breeders in here, you assume there isnt. Not everyone is part of the over-population issue. BYBs are, yes. People that breed dogs to preserve a line or some of the traits that they like AND KEEP THEM, are not. As said above, if he has learned anything in his time with these dogs, those pups will be kept in the circle. You cant fix the worlds APBT issues by making sarcastic remarks to people. Sorry.

[simms]

No, shes not. Ive seen bitches lose alot more weight than that whelping a litter. Granted, I dont know what she looked like before hand, but shes not falling off by any means. And as far as the pool goes, I could agree with having at least a blanket in there but then again...Ive seen worse than that too and all the pups ended up fine. Just like we assume there are responsible breeders in here, you assume there isnt. Not everyone is part of the over-population issue. BYBs are, yes. People that breed dogs to preserve a line or some of the traits that they like, are not. As said above, if he has learned anything in his time with these dogs, those pups will be kept in the circle. You cant fix the worlds APBT issues by making sarcastic remarks to people. Sorry.
from what I undesrtand this isnt this guy's only dog. So realistcly it's not likely for these pups to kept in that condition 24/7. I'm willing to bet that they were put in there as temp thing and they took pics while they had them out.

[Bullyson]

Agreed. I dont know youngster but I would guess he knows what hes doing. I hope so anyway. :)

[Iverson's Pits]

Would you be more comfortable with pups being in something like this? Some people just dont have the space indoors (my garage) for this sort of thing. The pups were whelped inside an XL-varikennel broken apart, and inside this enclosure. The size of this box gives the pups early training to not shit where they sleep, and is big enough for a litter of 10 to run around at 11 weeks old. Not much difference in what we did here, and that pool with the pups in it. Only difference is this was inside a garage with space heaters and heat lamps. The pups were moved out of the kennel and into the bedding only after they were wide-eyed and walking. The OP might have something similar planned for once the pups are older.

I particularly like the pups to be on a hard plastic surface with no bedding when they are still that young. Gives mom a chance to clean up after them (pooping), gives less of a chance for a pup to get lost or misplaced under bedding, and I dont like the chance of a pup that young choking on shavings and chips. The only "Warm place to sleep" should be against mama. Nothing in their lives should be warmer than mama...as they are blind and will migrate to the warmest spot. When the "warmest spot" aint mama.....they aint eatin enough.

[Michele]

I particularly like the pups to be on a hard plastic surface with no bedding when they are still that young. Gives mom a chance to clean up after them (pooping), gives less of a chance for a pup to get lost or misplaced under bedding, and I dont like the chance of a pup that young choking on shavings and chips. The only "Warm place to sleep" should be against mama. Nothing in their lives should be warmer than mama...as they are blind and will migrate to the warmest spot. When the "warmest spot" aint mama.....they aint eatin enough.
ya know, this is a good point. It didn't dawn on me that a pup could get lost under all that bedding.

[Lethalpits]

Just wanted to chime in and say that bitch does not look that bad to have just dropped 11 pups. The pups look good and healthy. I agree the pool doesn't look to appealing, but like said before, I highly doubt this guy is going to leave them there.

Also I agree with Simms. What's the difference of selling pups to anyone out in the public and "rehoming" culls in the shelter?

Yea I'm sure there are some well bred, beautiful dogs that get dropped in the shelter. The shelter to me is the biggest culler on the block. Like you said, lots of people drop dogs off there. Most likely because they are too humane to cull it themselves.. I am glad for our shelter. We have a 3 day euth rule with a NO ADOPTION policy unless you are an out of city organization. I like it because it cleans up the wild strays and trash that shouldn't have been bred in the first place.

Anyway, good looking pups. I hope they turn out to be what you were aiming for.

[FearlessKnight]

ya know, this is a good point. It didn't dawn on me that a pup could get lost under all that bedding. Most true breeders dont like bedding the first couple of days or so....but cleanliness is another story!

The reason the bedding is not wanted by most is because it is bad for the mother. The mother licks to clean all pups and feces/urine and such, and in the mean time she is also digesting excessive amounts of chips, cedar/pine...

[mydawgs]

Congrats on the pups, good luck with them! Goodness we all are making some wild ass assumptions and then using those assumptions to further some strong felt personal agendas. No one but Youngster knows every thing there is to know about this breeding, so if you want to know ask a very pointed question, if you get no response that is the OPs way of saying "none of your business". Simms I have to say I respect you as a mod but you are furthering your agenda here too, you hate anyone owning these dogs that are not in your circle...how this helps with keeping the peace and furthering the interests of the Game-Dog site is unclear to me. The fact of the matter is the world is the way it is, you can't unring the bell, and continually telling everyone how much you really dislike them or their activity is not helpful either, I find it pretty uncomfortable. I love this breed and I love to talk game dogs, and granted the two I have will probably be the last, but understanding and diversified acceptance is where it is at for me.....Be responsible, be an example and don't judge, not a dogger, not a rescue and not a pet owner. Since we can't go backwards none of that will help, we can only go forward. No disrespect intended.

[Suki]

nice post mydawgs.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
i actually debated closing this post, earlier, based on the "assumptions" being made, but figured i'd see where it led. NO need to assume. :( simply ask the OP. imo.
in the future, PLEASE make suggestions and NOT assumptions. TY.

[simms]

Congrats on the pups, good luck with them! Goodness we all are making some wild ass assumptions and then using those assumptions to further some strong felt personal agendas. No one but Youngster knows every thing there is to know about this breeding, so if you want to know ask a very pointed question, if you get no response that is the OPs way of saying "none of your business". Simms I have to say I respect you as a mod but you are furthering your agenda here too, you hate anyone owning these dogs that are not in your circle...how this helps with keeping the peace and furthering the interests of the Game-Dog site is unclear to me. The fact of the matter is the world is the way it is, you can't unring the bell, and continually telling everyone how much you really dislike them or their activity is not helpful either, I find it pretty uncomfortable. I love this breed and I love to talk game dogs, and granted the two I have will probably be the last, but understanding and diversified acceptance is where it is at for me.....Be responsible, be an example and don't judge, not a dogger, not a rescue and not a pet owner. Since we can't go backwards none of that will help, we can only go forward. No disrespect intended.
Hate is a strong word, dont you think. I'm simply stating that there is no difference in what a rescuer does and with some one who sells or places with in the public. I dont think i'm continuely telling anyone that I don't like them or what they do.

If my agenda is to close the circles ....then yeah I'm guilty! But I don't think I said that until just now...LOL

[Suki]

since this continues to stray off from the original post, i'm closing it now.