Breeding theory

[Midlifeloki]

Okay I have a question and I know I am going to get alot of different answers I just want to see different opinions


OKAY when breeding your pit are you breeding because he/she has a good pedigree? what if you have a mean pit but it has a good pedigree do you breed?



OR if you have a pit that has no papers but is an absolute best dog in the world all around would you breed to better the breed.


I have heard so many responsible people say even if they dont have papers if they meet standards and are a good dog all around they would breed because its making them better.


But I have also seen people with mean pits that have OLALALA pedigrees and breed because it has a nice peice of paper.



I have breed my pits once and now my female is spayed She is the best pit ever. I breed her to male pit that also belongs to me great personality all around.

We breed and had BEAUTIFUL pups we see pictures of them all the time and they are gorgeous and very well taken care and ALL of which have great personalities.



so what is your take on breeding is important to have a piece of paper that says your dog is something or have a great dog that has great pups?

[PirbulBongo]

Imo all depends on the breeder standards, a good performance dog doesnt guarantee being a good producer with or w/o papers and papers take importance when you want to breed dogs to keep,add or remove some traits... the gene pool is there.

So the "best dogs" would be the ones that perform excellent, and are proven to pass the desired trait and are complemented(sp) when breed to the right bitches producing good offspring quality, this would get even more complex if we choose different ways of breeding like inbreeding,linebreeding or outcrossing... depends totally on breeder standards and dogs.

The only test to see if a dog is a good producer is breed him and see how this offspring performs and even how well they produce. This take years and an special eye from breeder but not all the good performance dogs are always good producers or viceversa, this has been proven over the years.

Its also important where those pups go, if 8/8 litter go as housepets its hard to know if they are the expected from breeder and papers, even if both parents are proven good dogs.

My 0.2€.

[Midlifeloki]

Imo all depends on the breeder standards, a good performance dog doesnt guarantee being a good producer with or w/o papers and papers take importance when you want to breed dogs to keep,add or remove some traits... the gene pool is there.

So the "best dogs" would be the ones that perform excellent, and are proven to pass the desired trait and are complemented(sp) when breed to the right bitches producing good offspring quality, this would get even more complex if we choose different ways of breeding like inbreeding,linebreeding or outcrossing... depends totally on breeder standards and dogs.

The only test to see if a dog is a good producer is breed him and see how this offspring performs and even how well they produce. This take years and an special eye from breeder but not all the good performance dogs are always good producers or viceversa, this has been proven over the years.

Its also important where those pups go, if 8/8 litter go as housepets its hard to know if they are the expected from breeder and papers, even if both parents are proven good dogs.

My 0.2€.


OKay lets say you have a breeding pair that are both unpapered but are worthy of being shown what is the possibility of starting a new line?

I am trying to learn more about this because I am interested breeding but I want to do it for the right reasons not because I want money. I know people that do this for money and its just so sad to see what there poor dogs go through. I am trying to do this the right way if I choose to do it. I just like to here everyones thoughts an opinions

[bahamutt99]

I personally would not breed an unregistered dog. My reason for that is that one of my goals would be to produce dogs who could be competitive in the show/working venues. If the pups can't be registered, for me, it defeats the purpose.

[FearlessKnight]

Okay I have a question and I know I am going to get alot of different answers I just want to see different opinions


OKAY when breeding your pit are you breeding because he/she has a good pedigree? what if you have a mean pit but it has a good pedigree do you breed?
You should never breed and dog because the pedigree looks pretty...peds are just paper, they serve a great purpose, but not for breeding...and even though the dog in my eyes may be worthy of breeding, I too, would never breed an unregistered dog, unless it was from my lines and I knew the history behind him/her.
NOBODY should EVER breed a HA animal of ANY BREED, unless it their blood for guarding and protecting...not APBT's....There are gaurd dogs and there protective dogs...this is not one of them...


OR if you have a pit that has no papers but is an absolute best dog in the world all around would you breed to better the breed.
And no, ulness the dog came from my yard and I chose not to register them, but KNEW their background and such...

I have heard so many responsible people say even if they dont have papers if they meet standards and are a good dog all around they would breed because its making them better.
Some people do say this and beleive fully in it. I don't, unless it is as stated above. If you dont know the background, you can't even imagine the fute..not that you are able to predict it anyway, but you at least should have some kind of knowledge.

But I have also seen people with mean pits that have OLALALA pedigrees and breed because it has a nice peice of paper.
The should read the breeding code of ethics.....


I have breed my pits once and now my female is spayed She is the best pit ever. I breed her to male pit that also belongs to me great personality all around.
If you BRED your APBT because you think she has a sweet/nice personality, SHAME ON YOU

We breed and had BEAUTIFUL pups we see pictures of them all the time and they are gorgeous and very well taken care and ALL of which have great personalities.
As stated before...a great personality does not qualify a dog to be bred.....SHAME ON YOU

so what is your take on breeding is important to have a piece of paper that says your dog is something or have a great dog that has great pups?
Neither...they should only be bred if they are worthy of doing so...
Personality DOES NOT qualify Now on another note...try to refrain from adderssing this breed as a "PIT" as they are not pits....please refer to this thread...if you have questions....Thank you!

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23171

[EDOGZ818]

If breeding for performance, papers don't matter, performance does. If you need the papers to compete, well obviously don't. I have had dogs ADBA registered (21x JEEP) that were worthless to me. My dogs don't have papers now (were registered to my breeder & his wife...They divorced) and they are phenomenal. So it cuts both ways. Side with what suits your needs.

P.S. I know my breeder, his breeder, and know of his. Three generations of breeders, as well as three generations of dogs on my yard, so inadvertantly I agreed with the previous post. Knowing the dogs history plays an even more part in the breeding equation. Thats perfect advice up there, on the previous post.
"TRUE 'DAT" @ FEARLESS

[PirbulBongo]

OKay lets say you have a breeding pair that are both unpapered but are worthy of being shown what is the possibility of starting a new line?

I am trying to learn more about this because I am interested breeding but I want to do it for the right reasons not because I want money. I know people that do this for money and its just so sad to see what there poor dogs go through. I am trying to do this the right way if I choose to do it. I just like to here everyones thoughts an opinionsFirst, i think you need more than just a pair of good dogs to be a breeder. You need to have pretty clear what you want on a dog with your name and what are your dogs background to start from good dogs and on future generations perfect them in your eyes.

If you have unpapered dogs is one thing, if you dont know where they come thats another world, i would not breed dogs with an unknow background, and if i did i would keep them all pups to see if they are as great as the "proven sire/dam" then start a solid breeding program if they turn good compared to other familys.

The real question here is, why are you breeding? Will you keep all pups? Are there better dogs available around you? Why not start with superior animals with known background and proven to click with another strains, linebreed or inbreed?

[Midlifeloki]

Now on another note...try to refrain from adderssing this breed as a "PIT" as they are not pits....please refer to this thread...if you have questions....Thank you!

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23171





I apologize to referring to them as pits.



Its just not about personality I understand that. My first litter that I had was last yr and every pup went to pre-approved homes. I had puppy contract ext. I did gain alot of knowledge from that experience because I knew it was not a thing where i was going to make money. I am not worried about making money if I did well this is def not what i would do.


The reason I ask is because you guys are Apbt owners and you know the ins and outs and that is what I want to learn more about. I am constantly wanting to learn more about my breed because I love it. I am addicted lol

I do have unpaped dogs my sire came from a breeder here in tn and was sold to his previous owners w/papers but I got him for free so I was not given papers and same with my dam(who is spayed)

I kept a pup from my litter she of course has great personality and has alot of drive to please I am going to start training her for weight pulling and schutz.


Like I said before I am just thinking about it and want to get feedback. I am a responsible person and that is why I come seeking advice so I hope you guys dont take this the wrong way

[frenchie1936]

it truly depends on what you are breeding for. if you are breeding petbulls there is no reason to really have papers, so long as one of the dogs doesn't have three eyes or some freaky shit like that. if you are breeding for performance, whatever that may be, i.e. pulling,hoggin,matchin, it helps to be able to verify where your dogs came from. even when i bred larger dogs almost all went to hunters. and one of the first things they would almost always ask was "are the papers any good?" and if you want to breed show dogs, well the answer is obvioous for that one.

[FearlessKnight]

I apologize to referring to them as pits.
As long as you know why, and think you do! :D

[Midlifeloki]

As long as you know why, and think you do! :D
I do my dog is not an endless hole lol or a bar b que lol