what about bill? (fat bill :P)

[frenchie1936]

i am in the process of trying to acquire some colby dogs. in order to do so i also have to purchase a fat bill/boudreaux dog. i am very familiar with boudreaux, but not so much with fat bill. everything i have heard is good so far, but i was curious if anyone had some suggested reading or search topics that would familiarize myself with the bloodline. also, i want to find some really tightly bred hemphill dogs, so if you know anyone PLEASE let me know.

[EDOGZ818]

Fat Bill has personality issues, which are sure to surface if you investigate. Other than that, word is, (I don't know first hand) is that he is a decent breeder. His status as a dogman, has been questioned. (To put it nicely) Contact Tom Gardner, if you want to be filled in on the negative aspects.

[Roadman Jr.]

i am in the process of trying to acquire some colby dogs. in order to do so i also have to purchase a fat bill/boudreaux dog. i am very familiar with boudreaux, but not so much with fat bill. everything i have heard is good so far, but i was curious if anyone had some suggested reading or search topics that would familiarize myself with the bloodline. also, i want to find some really tightly bred hemphill dogs, so if you know anyone PLEASE let me know.Thats funny,the same thing you said bout mr. mayfield in my post can also be said bout this man or even more.

[EDOGZ818]

Thats funny,the same thing you said bout mr. mayfield in my post can also be said bout this man or even more.Probably so! He just didn't go out his way to etch it in stone. And Mayfield's status as a dogman, can't be questioned.

[frenchie1936]

Thats funny,the same thing you said bout mr. mayfield in my post can also be said bout this man or even more.
indeed that is ironic. chalk it up to my lack of knowledge about fat bill. however, the point of my question was more along the lines of the quality of his dogs. sorry about the ambiguity.

[Searcy Jeff]

i am in the process of trying to acquire some colby dogs. If you want to acquire some Colby dogs, why not go to the source himself?

[frenchie1936]

If you want to acquire some Colby dogs, why not go to the source himself?
because i can get the dogs cheaper through other reputable kennels. there's no point in spending a fortune if it's not necessary. and he has a waiting list that would circle the globe twice. from what i hear. there is a breeding out there between sharkey and irish that is going to be phenomenal. they had three ties, so the hope is that it took. however, irish has been bred three other times and failed to produce any dogs. we'll see, i'm definitely holding my breath for this one.

[EDOGZ818]

If you want to acquire some Colby dogs, why not go to the source himself?If colby didn't breed them, are they still "Colby " dogs? I would think, if someone were to breed two dogs bred by Colby, that person bcomes the breeder, and in my eyes, they are that person's "dogs". Colby may or may not have made that breeding decision. Sure if it works, colby will share the credit, if it doesn't, I doubt he will share the blame. Thats usually the way it works. But I think if you breed two dogs bred by colby, they will produce just fine.

[Searcy Jeff]

because i can get the dogs cheaper through other reputable kennels. there's no point in spending a fortune if it's not necessary. and he has a waiting list that would circle the globe twice. from what i hear. there is a breeding out there between sharkey and irish that is going to be phenomenal. they had three ties, so the hope is that it took. however, irish has been bred three other times and failed to produce any dogs. we'll see, i'm definitely holding my breath for this one.Are you talking about Alias Kennel's Sharkey?

Last time Mr. Louis Colby responded to my email about the price of his pups, they weren't a fortune.

[frenchie1936]

If colby didn't breed them, are they still "Colby " dogs? I would think, if someone were to breed two dogs bred by Colby, that person bcomes the breeder, and in my eyes, they are that person's "dogs". Colby may or may not have made that breeding decision. Sure if it works, colby will share the credit, if it doesn't, I doubt he will share the blame. Thats usually the way it works. But I think if you breed two dogs bred by colby, they will produce just fine.
indeed, when you breed two dogs from say colby's yard, you attach your kennels prefix to the pups name. as i'm sure you know, most people aren't too concerned with names when it comes to obtaining quality dogs. and i only want the colby dogs to out with a fine boudreaux bitch. but i'm still looking for any knowledge about fat bill.

[frenchie1936]

Are you talking about Alias Kennel's Sharkey?

Last time Mr. Louis Colby responded to my email about the price of his pups, they weren't a fortune.
yes, i am. kirk is a fine breeder from the research i've done. i've been reluctant to get a dog from him until now. he had a hemphill/colby dog that i had hoped to get, but he let it go. and to his credit, he never explicitly said he would gaurantee me the right to purchase.

[rpk]

Forum Members beware! This one sounds suspicious to me! For several obvious reasons, I feel this this person may not be ready to own an APBT

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Frenchie, if you ask about fat bill (his name should be banned word) I will tell you that NOTHING coming from him is worth a dime. I would NEVER have a dog with his name in a 6-gen pedigree. Furthermore, no one that is respected in the dog community will even acknowledge this B@st@rd. He has explicitly said that 90% of the people owning this breed should never one one. Therefore, if you are not close, you are surely getting a sub-par dog.

Do yourself a favor and do not take a dog that has that dude's work behind it. You will save yourself time, money, and respect. That man is the cause for the death of too many bulldogs.

If you did not understand or did not get my point about Fat B, welll, garbage, garbage, garbage. enough said.:cool:

[EDOGZ818]

because i can get the dogs cheaper through other reputable kennels. there's no point in spending a fortune if it's not necessary. and he has a waiting list that would circle the globe twice. from what i hear. there is a breeding out there between sharkey and irish that is going to be phenomenal. they had three ties, so the hope is that it took. however, irish has been bred three other times and failed to produce any dogs. we'll see, i'm definitely holding my breath for this one.
"there is a breeding out there between sharkey and irish that is going to be phenomenal. "

Is it a repeat breeding? If not , how can they make the claim? "Should", sounds better. You can't speak in definites about a first time breeding. Some times best to best breeding doesn't produce what you think it will. (JMO)

[frenchie1936]

"there is a breeding out there between sharkey and irish that is going to be phenomenal. "

Is it a repeat breeding? If not , how can they make the claim? "Should", sounds better. You can't speak in definites about a first time breeding. Some times best to best breeding doesn't produce what you think it will. (JMO)indeed you are right about not speaking in definites. the thing is that sharkey is a great producer and so are the littermates to irish. and whoever said to "beware" of me, don't be so presumtuos. i am new to breeding the true type of pits and am seeking as much knowledge as possible. i already admitted to not knowing shit about fat bill. if the general consensus is that it's not worth my time, then i'll take your word for it. and why should you "beware" in the first place? like i'm going to damage your reputation just by you talking to me? whatever man. i came here looking for help.

[jr Pit Guy]

Frenchie, you mentioned finding a tight bred Hemphill dog, good luck. There are only a few left. When Bob Hemphill passed, only a handful of his dogs remained and most of them weren't anything to write home about. Of the remaining tight bred Hemphill dogs, you would have to be in a close circle to get one and then you would be lucky. My dog Duke is only about 3/4 Hemphill with a Colby outcross. I was very fortunate to be able to come across him, as most people with good Hemphill dogs are not willing to sell them, and really don't breed unless for themselves. JMHO.

I did know of a Kennel called Ironline Kennels, who has some pure Hemphill, and Iron Mike used to be on this site, but I don't believe he sells to the general public, not sure. I don't know him personally, but I've heard good things.

Why do you have to purchase a Fat Bill/Boudreaux dog in order to get a Colby? That seems odd. Go to Mr. Colby, I think you would be better off getting a dog straight from him.

[Roadman Jr.]

indeed that is ironic. chalk it up to my lack of knowledge about fat bill. however, the point of my question was more along the lines of the quality of his dogs. sorry about the ambiguity.Who cares bout the quality of his dogs.Now...IMO..he's not one that I would want to deal with,be ture to the dogs,to the heritage and keep it that way..understand.

[pennsooner]

I once spoke with a gentleman who had a PHD in Psychology who had known fatbill. He described bill as, and I quote "a textbook example of a psychopath".

[frenchie1936]

well, i do appreciate all of yalls help. the reason i "have to" purchase the fat bill dog is because i gave my word to the man. which to me means a lot. however, it's looking more and more like it won't happen. but he is a reasonable guy and i don't think he will be torn up about it. and yeah, i know hemphill is hard to get ahold of. really hard. i was just hoping that maybe someone knew where it would be possible to obtain one. again, thank you everyone for yalls input.

[EDOGZ818]

well, i do appreciate all of yalls help. the reason i "have to" purchase the fat bill dog is because i gave my word to the man. which to me means a lot. however, it's looking more and more like it won't happen. but he is a reasonable guy and i don't think he will be torn up about it. and yeah, i know hemphill is hard to get ahold of. really hard. i was just hoping that maybe someone knew where it would be possible to obtain one. again, thank you everyone for yalls input.Don't worry about purchasing the dog that you didn't want, since he sold the dog you did want. "Money on the wood (TABLE), or the deals no good." Deals fall through all the time for various reasons , and any breeder with time in takes that into consideration. I understand you about the names not mattering, but you want a "colby" dog, or "hemphill" dog. Thats different than say a "JEEP" dog. If its a desendant you are after, cool, names don't matter, but you are naming breeders, not dogs. Those breeders have a stigma that conotates quality, which the breeder you are purchasing from may or may not have. I can get a "frenchie" dog in two ways: buy one frenchie bred, or buy one frenchie bred off of somene frenchie sold it to. Joe Smuckatelly can't breed a frenchie dog, but he can take two dogs frenchie bred and produce a Smuckatelly dog. What I mean is you may have line bred both dogs off of different stock, and transfereed them to Smuckatelly for different reasons, yet he bred them anyway. (Which you wouldn't have done) See where I'm going with this?

[bdub]

Fat Bill Is A Punk

[BamaBoy]

Don't worry about purchasing the dog that you didn't want, since he sold the dog you did want. "Money on the wood (TABLE), or the deals no good." Deals fall through all the time for various reasons , and any breeder with time in takes that into consideration. I understand you about the names not mattering, but you want a "colby" dog, or "hemphill" dog. Thats different than say a "JEEP" dog. If its a desendant you are after, cool, names don't matter, but you are naming breeders, not dogs. Those breeders have a stigma that conotates quality, which the breeder you are purchasing from may or may not have. I can get a "frenchie" dog in two ways: buy one frenchie bred, or buy one frenchie bred off of somene frenchie sold it to. Joe Smuckatelly can't breed a frenchie dog, but he can take two dogs frenchie bred and produce a Smuckatelly dog. What I mean is you may have line bred both dogs off of different stock, and transfereed them to Smuckatelly for different reasons, yet he bred them anyway. (Which you wouldn't have done) See where I'm going with this?
I don't quite see it that way. If Jim Bob takes two Boudreaux dogs and breeds them. The offspring is still Boudreaux. Jim Bob can only take credit for putting the two dogs together. IMO it takes more than a first generation cross to call the line something other than what it is.

[frenchie1936]

Don't worry about purchasing the dog that you didn't want, since he sold the dog you did want. "Money on the wood (TABLE), or the deals no good." Deals fall through all the time for various reasons , and any breeder with time in takes that into consideration. I understand you about the names not mattering, but you want a "colby" dog, or "hemphill" dog. Thats different than say a "JEEP" dog. If its a desendant you are after, cool, names don't matter, but you are naming breeders, not dogs. Those breeders have a stigma that conotates quality, which the breeder you are purchasing from may or may not have. I can get a "frenchie" dog in two ways: buy one frenchie bred, or buy one frenchie bred off of somene frenchie sold it to. Joe Smuckatelly can't breed a frenchie dog, but he can take two dogs frenchie bred and produce a Smuckatelly dog. What I mean is you may have line bred both dogs off of different stock, and transfereed them to Smuckatelly for different reasons, yet he bred them anyway. (Which you wouldn't have done) See where I'm going with this?yes, i do understand. again, sorry for the ambiguity. i am well aware that just because it comes with that name doesn't mean it was well bred. if anyone knows where to get a well bred hemphill anywhere, i would appreciate it. again, thanks. i eventually plan on using a colby stud to out with a nice boudreaux bitch and then bring her back to another boudreaux. you see what i'm trying to do? now when that becomes consistent in comes some tight eli blood. and its all line breeding from there unless i need to preserve some really amazing dogs in which case i'll have to inbreed and spay/nueter the dogs that display dominant recessive traits.
the boudreaux will likely be by way of harrison's madame boudreaux who was hand picked by floyd. and i'm really hoping to get a nice male from them also. i think in the end i will definitely end up with some good looking highly game dogs. i know that it is almost blasphemy to say "good looking", but i love brindles. hence the colby.

[EDOGZ818]

yes, i do understand. again, sorry for the ambiguity. i am well aware that just because it comes with that name doesn't mean it was well bred. if anyone knows where to get a well bred hemphill anywhere, i would appreciate it. again, thanks. i eventually plan on using a colby stud to out with a nice boudreaux bitch and then bring her back to another boudreaux. you see what i'm trying to do? now when that becomes consistent in comes some tight eli blood. and its all line breeding from there unless i need to preserve some really amazing dogs in which case i'll have to inbreed and spay/nueter the dogs that display dominant recessive traits.
good moves

[frenchie1936]

good moves
thanks. its funny cause just a couple years ago i was breeding hippos. same principle of breeding, just now i'm using true lines. well, true in my opinion as these things vary greatly.

[Marty]

Is Fat bill here to defend himself?

No... so thread closed!