Well i guess it is time [Archive]

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 03:00 PM

ok ill bite, hey mr. smith what about a story of one of ur most high strung and crazy dogs u've ever had, that should be a good way to startmost high strung dog i ever had was a scatter bred dog but all and all came from decent lines.he had a bit of colby,lightner,heinzel and a few other lines in him and he was game as could be but he was crazy as a piss ant.he was given to me in fact for that very reason.so anyways this dog was very high strung and absolutely hated any loud sounds and thunder storms but he also hated water to so even if it rained he would go crazy.so for the first 2 weeks i had him on a chain and i figured he would eventually calm down after he got used to his new home but that never did happen he would pull and pull on his chain and jump and scream and bark and flip and do anything else he could think of all to get at other dogs,now this made me wary of him because i don't like a flashy dog who puts up a big show just like still to this day i don't really care for a extremely hard biting dog now even though i have had some hard biters in my mind as well as many others in my day we seen it as a sign of fear if they bit to hard.so i almost culled this dog for being so flashy i figured he would be all show and no action.but i took him off the chain and put him in a kennel way at the back of my property by his lonesome and i figured that would calm him down and for the most part it did,but we got a bad thunderstorm not long after and he went and chewed through the front door and got loose and literally inhaled one of my better prospects before i could do anything.both dogs lived but i seen what this dog was truely worth.then about a year later it came time for a match and he didn't win but he proved to me he was about as game as you could ask for but due to what was behind him being so scatter bred i never did breed him to see if he could produce or not,because even though he had good lines behind him it was so mixed up i honestly didn't think he would produce anything no matter what i crossed him into.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 03:08 PM

Along this line, add what dog was the hardest dog for you to become the alpha over, and how did you do it ultimately?well never did have a dog on my yard be a man fighter not one that lived anyways,but i did have a dog who liked to do his own thing and he was a eli,six bits,maverick cross i should have know better than to expect a easy going animal but i really liked both parents a lot.but anyways you could tell this dog to do anything and most of the time he would look at you or turn and go back into his doghouse so that there made me know this was not a dumb animal just a stuborn one.so what i did to break him was pretty easy and to some now a days might seem cruel but i asked him to sit down till i filled the water bowl and he didn't do it and went to get a drink so i grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and pulled him off and repeated again and he did it anyways again so i had a shovel handy and i tapped him on the nose with it and he in turn grabbed it and wouldn't let go so after i pried him off of it he went to grab it again and i smacked him on the rear with it not hard but enough to jolt him and from that day on he always did what i asked.but for the most part i have been lucky to always have pretty easy going bulldogs i have had a few i wanted to ring their necks but nothing i can sit here and complain about.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 03:10 PM

Were you ever able to see Jocko go? If so, would like to hear about it.actually i was not able to see him go i came close but something always came up where i had to stay behind.he was one i would have loved to have seen though because even though i heard mixed reviews for the most part everyone liked what they saw

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 03:11 PM

How about some stories about meeting some famous dogmen from the past, and personal thoughts/experiences with them.well wich ones did you want to hear about?

BoiBoi

08-14-2007, 03:18 PM

What dog that u have seen personally go do u consider was the best performer

K kennels

08-14-2007, 03:39 PM

just curious....what negative things did you hear about Jocko.....i knew the old man prety well and was around all of his dogs.....just wondering??

Searcy Jeff

08-14-2007, 03:50 PM

i do have pictures but i don't post pedigrees or things like that those can be used to someone elses' advantage way to easily.so i only show those in person to folks that way none can be stolen or misused or anything like that.Well I understand how everyone can copy and paste things. But if you label it, they can't use it to their advantage. Anyhow, would be nice to see older pictures of dogs or yourself with dogmans if you do have them.

tnob

08-14-2007, 03:53 PM

I enjoy the older pics.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 04:02 PM

What dog that u have seen personally go do u consider was the best performerthe best dog i myself have seen with my own 2 eyes has been Jimmy boots that was a spectacular dog.and honestly he ranks up as one of the best in my opinion.now a close second would be blind billy or going light barney also both spectacular dogs in my opinion.those are 3 dogs that have always stuck out in my mind.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 04:04 PM

just curious....what negative things did you hear about Jocko.....i knew the old man prety well and was around all of his dogs.....just wondering??well i heard a few negative things but not a lot.it was always things like ol joco ain't game he is a rough cur and things like that but since i never seen him in person i can not comment either way.but i can comment about the man you mentioned and i can say in good faith that if it was on his yard it had to be game in my opinion http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 04:06 PM

Well I understand how everyone can copy and paste things. But if you label it, they can't use it to their advantage. Anyhow, would be nice to see older pictures of dogs or yourself with dogmans if you do have them.indeed i do have them but i am still very uneasy about putting them up online.because even though you can label them they have that deal now where they can do stuff to pictures i think it is called picture fixer or picture shop or something like that.i know it sounds like i am being hard headed or seceretive or that but all it is is i don't want nobody doing nothing with my pictures or pedigrees.

K kennels

08-14-2007, 04:09 PM

and you would be right....Jocko was also a game bulldog...so was yellow john.....saw yellow do his thing before Tant got him.....started with the old mans dogs.....still got a few around......

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 04:14 PM

and you would be right....Jocko was also a game bulldog...so was yellow john.....saw yellow do his thing before Tant got him.....started with the old mans dogs.....still got a few around......yeah i never knew him to feed a cur so i just chalked it up to a bunch of bullshit from jealous folks.

K kennels

08-14-2007, 04:17 PM

very true......i guess i'm telling my age also......guess i'm the other old timer....

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 04:19 PM

very true......i guess i'm telling my age also......guess i'm the other old timer....sounds that way,lol.

purplepig

08-14-2007, 04:20 PM

well wich ones did you want to hear about?
Well, I think all of us who were here while he was here, would like to hear a good one about Dave. RIP

Searcy Jeff

08-14-2007, 04:25 PM

indeed i do have them but i am still very uneasy about putting them up online.because even though you can label them they have that deal now where they can do stuff to pictures i think it is called picture fixer or picture shop or something like that.i know it sounds like i am being hard headed or seceretive or that but all it is is i don't want nobody doing nothing with my pictures or pedigrees.Not to step on your shoes but this is an educational website. We are all here to learn and if I was an old timer, I'd pass on any knowledge or sources that relates to dogs to the younger generation as much as I can. Especially stories or photos of the past. Help those who wants to help the breed, but that's just me. To each their own I guess.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 04:53 PM

Well, I think all of us who were here while he was here, would like to hear a good one about Dave. RIPwell.i think i have a good one for y'all.i don't know if he told you this one or not.but the story sticks out in my mind because of the content and how bad it was,lol.it all starts one day when this man who was new to the bulldogs comes out to Daves place to see his yard.he came on a recomendation from a fellow dogman who Dave had great respect for so he never questioned it.so anyways he shows up and Dave commences to start showing him around.and as they are taking the tour he asks Dave so you ever match your dogs and he replied yep only way to see what your working with son.so he said well i have a nice dog who is showing promise that i think could take anything you have on your yard,so Dave said oh you think so huh and the young man said yep i sure do.so Dave asked is he pure meaning not a mongrel or another breed of dog and he said yep 100% bulldog comes down from some nice OFRN blood so he asked him if he had a pedigree to prove it and the young man said yeah i sure do.so Dave said i want to see that and the dog because i don't think a young man such as yourself who is this new to the breed and this sport could get his hands on a nice OFRN dog.so the man obliged him and showed up the next day with his dog and a pedigree.so sure enough the dog was a red red nosed dog but something didn't add up with his pedigree so Dave pulled him on the carpet about it and the young man got very defensive and to make a long story short they got into a fist fight on Daves yard.now this fight went on for about 30 minutes i guess and Dave ended up besting him now this man was about 28 years old and Dave would have been about maybe 45 or 46 and Dave got a split lip and a black eye and some bumps and bruises and he gave this man a busted nose and knocked 2 of his teeth out along with bumps and bruises.dave was a pretty fair sized man with a short temper at that time he was about 225 and stood about 6''2 or 6''3 and to look at him in pictures you wouldn't peg him to be that big but he was.so after that he pulled the man up and said now that this is over i will meet you at this place at this time and we will see what our dogs can do.so after a month went by it was time for the match now Dave knew there was a chance for trouble because he heard it through the grapevine so he decided to take a colt peacemaker with him just in case but he left it in his truck and boy was he glad he brought it along.

CONTINUED IN NEXT POST BECAUSE IT WAS TO LONG>

WWII

08-14-2007, 05:04 PM

CONTINUED IN NEXT POST BECAUSE IT WAS TO LONG>OH NO...cliffhanger:p

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 05:08 PM

so anyways they wash the dogs and the match begins.it was touch and go for a while and both dogs got good hold but nothing special.so this goes back and forth for a while and the dog Daves was fighting had no ears they was cut off completely he had holes in the side of his head where his ears had been.so Daves dog was a ear dog so it was pretty mad that the ears wasn't there,but it was also a smart dog who knew what it was doing.so after the break it came time to scratch again,and before either dog made the middle Daves dog was fed up and i seen it in the dogs eyes it looked to me like god damnit enough and they hit and Daves dog hit on the underside and got this dog by the testicles clamped down and shook for all it was worth.well the dog's eyes bugged out in it's head and it didn't know what to do.infact none of us knew what to think the whole place went quiet.so Dave and this other man jumped in and broke them off and the young man picked his dog up and shook Daves hand.so when all was finished Dave had his dog wrapped in a blanket and he was at the driver side placing the dog on the passenger side of the pickup,and this man and his friends came out and they threw a glass bottle and it hit the side of the bed of his truck.so Dave spun around and he seen these men all standing there with knives in their hand and the one had a metal pipe.and Dave being the onry cuss he was screamed at the top of his lung,WHAT THE HELL DO YOU SORRY SACKS OF SHIT WANT NOW. and the friend piped up and said the dog and a pound of your flesh.and they started towards him and he said is that right and reached under his seat and pulled out his gun cocked it and pulled the trigger hitting the man closest to him in the collar bone area.and he said now i reckon you boys was looking for a fight and a free dog but you forgot the most important rule of life never bring a knife to a gunfight now you got 2 seconds before i send you all home to meet what made you.so they ran about as fast as they could.so i ran over and said what happened and calm as could be he was putting the gun under his seat and he said nothing Jesse why you ask.and i said well i heard gun shots and i seen you putting your gun away.and he said oh that well they come to kill me and take my dog but i beat em to the punch.and i said well did you get hurt and he said nope but see that splatter of blood over there i said yeah he said that was who i shot i was aiming for the throat but hit the collar bone i think but it stopped him and them sons a bitches all took off pisiing there pants.they made a threat but couldn't keep it that pisses me off bad.and i said well they would have killed you if they would have went through with it and he said nope they only had knives and a pipe i had a bullet for all of them then he got in his truck and said you still coming over for lunch sunday and i said see you there and he drove off.

rocco

08-14-2007, 05:16 PM

Lol priceless

jr Pit Guy

08-14-2007, 05:39 PM

TY for the story. This is what I was talkng about when I asked about Dogmen stories. I just enjoy reading about what formed this breed from people who experienced it.

screamin'eagle

08-14-2007, 05:45 PM

Great thread...thanks for the input oldtimer. I'll be checkin in at this thread often to see the updates. BTW...I did not know you fancied boudreaux bloodlines!

purplepig

08-14-2007, 06:00 PM

Thnx Jesse,
I sure do miss Dave. I really enjoy being around folks who just say what they mean, and mean what they say.

Okay, now how 'bout.... a good one on Floyd, back in the young days.

Titch_Pitbull

08-14-2007, 06:16 PM

Lol. Man you should write a book or something your experience in the bulldog world. I sure as hell would buy it.

Bullyson

08-14-2007, 07:53 PM

As would I. Damn good thread. I bet it stays in the top for a WHILE. :) You mentioned before you had experiences with Bullyson. Any in the []?Lol. Man you should write a book or something your experience in the bulldog world. I sure as hell would buy it.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 08:07 PM

Great thread...thanks for the input oldtimer. I'll be checkin in at this thread often to see the updates. BTW...I did not know you fancied boudreaux bloodlines!oh yeah thats all i breed is Boudreaux they had everything i wanted and then some.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 08:14 PM

Thnx Jesse,
I sure do miss Dave. I really enjoy being around folks who just say what they mean, and mean what they say.

Okay, now how 'bout.... a good one on Floyd, back in the young days.well that i know of ol Floyd never much done anything i would consider rowdy.he was a hard working man who ate,slept and breathed bulldogs and roosters.pretty much everything has been said about ol Floyd other than the fact that you could not ask for a better family man and he is as honest as the day is long.i remember when he got piled up with medical bills after some accidents involving his family most folks would have given up their dogs let some water out of a sinking boat but not ol Floyd he just worked harder and longer than ever and bout 20 some odd years later he was just about through paying them off didn't have to seel his home,dogs,cars nothing just did it all with hard work and savings.and if that ain't what a good man is i sure as hell don't know what is.but see i didn't get to know Floyd till we was in out mid 20's early 30's so in my experince he never did anything that i would say was rowdy or anything like that i mean he go into a few fights and things of that nature but that was about it,lol.

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 08:42 PM

As would I. Damn good thread. I bet it stays in the top for a WHILE. :) You mentioned before you had experiences with Bullyson. Any in the []?yeah i have had experinces with bullyson and i didn't like that dog.game as could be but he was crazy as a pissant.that dog wouldn't have stood a chance on my yard for his temperment.way to aggressive.out of that litter i much preferred eli Jr he was a good dog and wasn't so unpredictable but folks liked and sure do to this day like bullyson dogs and for good reason he was a good pit dog.it has been put down in the record books that when he was brought to the pit for his show in north texas he looked like the devil and i agree with that because thats exactley what he looked like just like a demon.that dog was just all around crazy in my opinion folks was even scared to handle that dog for fear he would chew on them everyone walked on egg shells when he was in the pit because you didn't know really what he was going to do you didn't know if he would go for the dog or go for the handler especially when he got riled up thats when he got bad was when he got riled up in the box between releases.but he wasn't feared more than when he was being moved especially if you had him in the car or in a station wagon because he always seemed to flip out in a car even in the back bed of a pickup truck he would flip out and forget trying to get him in a cage he would taer you alive if you tried that.i remember talking to Maurice carver after he got bullyson for conditioning and he said that on the trip over when they hauled him loose to his place that a man by the name of Raymond holt had to play with the dogs testicles in order for him to keep from fliping out.i just stood there and said well honestly in your opinion is it worth it Maurice because it sure ain't to me and he said well folks seem to think so Jesse.so i asked if i could watch him handle bullyson and for the first time in my life i seen him scared of a dog he was terrified to handle that animal and again i asked him you think it is worth it,and he said i am begining to have second thoughts Jesse but he is a good dog for the pit.now like it is know pretty well Maurice liked to move a dog he was conditioning into a seperate room for just him and the dog and to me this was one of the ways i think he did so good when it came to conditioning a dog,but not bullyson he said Jesse this dog don't like nobody all he wants to do is fight and if he can't fight dogs he will fight men so when i am done for the day with him he gets put up because i don't think i would be in the game much longer if i got close to this dog.and when it come time for tha match i remember he did something i never seen him do before he kept bullyson off the ground and dropped him instead of holding him back and releasing him,and he entered the pit last so he wouldn't have to be in there long with him 2 things i never seen him do before.but i also seen Maurice do something else i never seen him do with a dog before either during the keep he was breeding bullyson and i questioned him about it and he said ain't nothing to say Jesse just let it go and i did.but thats about the bulk of my experince with ol bullyson.and in my opinion it was enough and i commend anyone for putting up with that dog for more than 2 seconds,lol.

Suki

08-14-2007, 08:45 PM

Old Timer

08-14-2007, 08:50 PM

Tx, Jesse! GREAT :D story about Dave, and likewise, SURE do miss him...:(

can't hink of anything specific to ask at the moment, but just wanted to say TY for this post. :) ....
well, on second thought, anything intersting on Mr. Colby?.....Mr Colby was also a onry cuss but he was about as peacefull as could be.he always tried to defuse something and most of the time because everyone had so much respect for him and his family it worked.but i do remember one time he had a match going in his backyard and someone was peeping trying to see.and he said well if you gonna look might as well come in or if you ain't i might as well poke that eye out.you never seen someone take off so quick in your life,lol.but yeah i miss Dave so much because we were so close we were like brothers wich is why i will know more about him than anyone else because we spent 99% of our time around each other,but i took it real hard when he went home but i am happy to know i will see that onry cuss again someday.

Suki

08-14-2007, 08:54 PM

Tx Jesse. and i've no doubt Dave is saving you the seat right next to him! ;)
RIP Dave! :)

440rider

08-15-2007, 08:37 AM

interesting stories OT.....

but i did have a dog who liked to do his own thing and he was a eli,six bits,maverick cross i should have know better than to expect a easy going animal but i really liked both parents

without posting a ped I know you stated you dont post ped...but can you tell me what dogs were the parents of the sixbits/maverick (eli/boze)dog you aquired always interested in storys and dogs bred down from sixbits.......Did you get the pup off Jerry or JD before he took ill? He was breeding alot of toby dogs before he went with the sixbits-maverick/toby dogs and sold shadow..floyd had a few good ones off sixbits as well. Had a heavy sixbits dog that was recently put down by laspca called tar baby

What's your opinion of how zebo was bred-up, I talked to a few some years back about him and heard some interesting takes and a very believable one..have you ever bred to him?

What line of boudreaux dogs are you running (no need for ped I'm familiar with alot of those from what boudreaux bred in the past..are you doing heavy boze dogs as in what JD did with his dogs like country boy for example. I had a dog back some time that was heavy billy boy grandsired by Check..great dog. take care.

purplepig

08-15-2007, 09:18 AM

You have any good ones on Bobby Hall?

jeeperino

08-16-2007, 07:24 AM

How about the most extreme game bulldog you have ever seen?

How about some stories on the old Stomponato (Carver) dogs from the Texas area. Im thinkin the likes of J. Mayfield, J. Addy, Pitre, Curry etc....

realonebulldog

08-16-2007, 08:05 AM

but you forgot the most important rule of life never bring a knife to a gunfight ..... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_72.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk142YYDE)

realonebulldog

08-16-2007, 08:18 AM

Had you once with a dog the sure feeling he is game? I mean out of the blue ... only a feeling.

LuvinBullies

08-16-2007, 02:05 PM

Tx, Jesse! GREAT :D story about Dave, and likewise, SURE do miss him...:(

can't hink of anything specific to ask at the moment, but just wanted to say TY for this post. :) ....
well, on second thought, anything intersting on Mr. Colby?.....Jesse, thought you might enjoy this...I wrote it for Dave last year when he passed. Thanks for the story about him- brought him back down here with us for a bit ;).

God Needed A Dogman

In memory of Dave Lewis, a.k.a. "Texas Pit Dogs" 1926-2006

It was a beautiful day!
--up in Heaven.
God looked down upon earth...with a smile...
For today was the day he'd picked to bring home,
--a man whom he'd needed awhile.

They say all dogs go to Heaven,
true they do--but only in part.
God reserves certain green pastures,
...for the bulldogs he blessed with most heart.

Many a Dogman has tended,
to these bulldogs in Heaven,
--game-bred.
Awaiting the man God chose long ago--
..."Man of Bulldogs and Dogmen",
...permanent.

God whispered the word to his angels,
--take him gently and don't let him know.
For he'd worry 'bout leaving his family and friends,
--and the dogs whom he loved fiercely so.

Once in Heaven this Dogman he laughed,
--asked if this was the place bulldogs stayed,
...God said "Yes my son they are here,"--
and showed his new Dogman the way.

They were met on the path by a lady,
--this Dogman he never had to guess--
hand in hand they walked through these pastures of green,
...reunited in love yet again.

God showed them the way to their keep,
--of bulldogs and friends--
How they cheered!
Then the pastures grew quiet,
--the bulldogs stood still--
for they knew their Dogman was here.
__________________

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 03:44 PM

interesting stories OT.....

without posting a ped I know you stated you dont post ped...but can you tell me what dogs were the parents of the sixbits/maverick (eli/boze)dog you aquired always interested in storys and dogs bred down from sixbits.......Did you get the pup off Jerry or JD before he took ill? He was breeding alot of toby dogs before he went with the sixbits-maverick/toby dogs and sold shadow..floyd had a few good ones off sixbits as well. Had a heavy sixbits dog that was recently put down by laspca called tar baby

What's your opinion of how zebo was bred-up, I talked to a few some years back about him and heard some interesting takes and a very believable one..have you ever bred to him?

What line of boudreaux dogs are you running (no need for ped I'm familiar with alot of those from what boudreaux bred in the past..are you doing heavy boze dogs as in what JD did with his dogs like country boy for example. I had a dog back some time that was heavy billy boy grandsired by Check..great dog. take care.well i will just use their names that the breeder used the dam was called baby,and the male was called hondo that wasn't their registered names thats just what he called them.but now there is a man and wife in Odessa Texas who has a male that is a eli dog and she has a female that is eli sixbits and tombstone is what i belive she said but she didn't have the pedigree handy because they are moving.i went out there with my nephew to look at some dogs for him and thats where i seen it.now one thing i didn't like about the place was it was not kept up well at all they were not up to my standards as far as scooping up after them and such.now as far as Zebo you don't want to get me started on that because that will turn into a entire diffrent story,lol.best i can say is he was bred diffrently,lol.but no i never bred to him i kept my dogs pretty tightly bred by that line.i liked to take a family of dogs and keep it as tight and right as i could.only one dog i owned in my life that was unknown to me and it came from my mentor and his name was rebel and he was all bulldog and he was not only the best dog i ever owned but he made me more money than i could shake a stick at in fact i ended up shooting a man over that dog,lol.now as far as my dogs i have them down from blind billy,boze,eli,maverick,easy,spook,brandy,boss,bo, spike and the list goes on.pretty much any dog from that line that i liked i tried because i know if he had them they were bred right or he wouldn't feed them.but my dogs to this day are bred so tightly that a lot of folks might think i am crazy but they work for me,lol.

BoiBoi

08-16-2007, 03:54 PM

hey jesse how bout a story on ole maverick and skull

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 04:05 PM

You have any good ones on Bobby Hall?lord you trying to make me lose my faith ain't you,lol.i honestly don't think i could say something that hasn't allready been said about him or that he didn't put in his book allready.but he was as mean as old bullyson and he was a damn good fighter to and he would fight at the drop of a hat.but something that comes to mind is when i myself and a few other men were all in a cafe getting a bite to eat and talking dogs.and these troublemakers came in and sta down at the table behind us.they wasn't in bout maybe 15 minutes before they started causing trouble.then they threw something i belive it was a spoon and it hit Dave in the back of his hat.so i started taking off my watch and rolling my sleeves up because when Daves eyes got big he was mad so me and Dave walked over and Dave picked up what they threw faster than i could see it and anyways to make a long story short he grabbed the one who threw it by the head of the hair and brought his face down into his knee and shoved it in his face,then i hit the other one before he even got up and i think i broke his nose so that turned into a free for all and anyways i got punched in the nose and fell back into someone and that someone was ol Bobby he walked in sometime after it started and i tell ya he took up the slack just for the fun of it.and he cleared house because that was what he liked to do and boy was he good at it,he remined me of Clint Eastwood in them movies any wich way but loose because thats how he tore through folks.so after it moved outside they left finally because Dave got busted in the nose to and he ran to his truck and got a hatchet and said he was gonna fight em indian style but in all fairness one of em took out a chain but ol Bobby did one better he went to his car and he grabbed a shot gun and took it to the man's head racked a load up and said it ends now and by damn it did.and they all left,lol.it seemed that it always ended up going to weapons even with myself.we never done more than we had to though but we got the job done.Dave and myself could say in good faith we never killed nobody but we sure wounded and crippled a good few,lol.

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 04:08 PM

Had you once with a dog the sure feeling he is game? I mean out of the blue ... only a feeling.yeah i had a dog i sat on for 4 years almost culled him but i just knew he was game.and boy was he ever.excellent dog that almost never came to be because he was such a slow starter.i am a firm beliver in that if your gut tells you something go with it because your gut is rarely wrong.

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 04:09 PM

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 04:11 PM

Jesse, thought you might enjoy this...I wrote it for Dave last year when he passed. Thanks for the story about him- brought him back down here with us for a bit ;).

God Needed A Dogman

In memory of Dave Lewis, a.k.a. "Texas Pit Dogs" 1926-2006

It was a beautiful day!
--up in Heaven.
God looked down upon earth...with a smile...
For today was the day he'd picked to bring home,
--a man whom he'd needed awhile.

They say all dogs go to Heaven,
true they do--but only in part.
God reserves certain green pastures,
...for the bulldogs he blessed with most heart.

Many a Dogman has tended,
to these bulldogs in Heaven,
--game-bred.
Awaiting the man God chose long ago--
..."Man of Bulldogs and Dogmen",
...permanent.

God whispered the word to his angels,
--take him gently and don't let him know.
For he'd worry 'bout leaving his family and friends,
--and the dogs whom he loved fiercely so.

Once in Heaven this Dogman he laughed,
--asked if this was the place bulldogs stayed,
...God said "Yes my son they are here,"--
and showed his new Dogman the way.

They were met on the path by a lady,
--this Dogman he never had to guess--
hand in hand they walked through these pastures of green,
...reunited in love yet again.

God showed them the way to their keep,
--of bulldogs and friends--
How they cheered!
Then the pastures grew quiet,
--the bulldogs stood still--
for they knew their Dogman was here.
__________________that really was beautufull.it sent a chill down my back because it was so true sounding.i can only imiagine that thats the way it will be.Dave would have loved reading something like that.

jeeperino

08-16-2007, 06:34 PM

now by extreme do you mean in or out of the pit.
In the []. The dog that showed the highest level of gameness you have ever seen.

realonebulldog

08-16-2007, 06:51 PM

http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Crazy/65.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:openRequestedPopup('smilie/Crazy/65.gif'))Dave and myself could say in good faith we never killed nobody but we sure wounded and crippled a good few.....:D you kill me with that storys....keep em coming http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Zwinker/44.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:openRequestedPopup('smilie/Zwinker/44.gif'))

willypete

08-16-2007, 07:35 PM

did you ever see alligator or melonhaed go.

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 07:36 PM

In the []. The dog that showed the highest level of gameness you have ever seen.i would have to say Jimmy boots not only was he game as could be and is one of the best of all times in my opinion but he was damn good to look at to.he was one hell of a dog all the way around.

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 07:37 PM

http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Crazy/65.gif (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:openRequestedPopup('smilie/Crazy/65.gif'))Dave and myself could say in good faith we never killed nobody but we sure wounded and crippled a good few.....:D you kill me with that storys....keep em coming http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Zwinker/44.gif (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:openRequestedPopup('smilie/Zwinker/44.gif'))yeah thats about what we all looked like after our fights,lol.

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 07:37 PM

did you ever see alligator or melonhaed go.nope can't say that i have.

kane85

08-16-2007, 07:55 PM

JoeFeezy

08-16-2007, 08:12 PM

I got a good question. How would you feel about teaching a few things to an up and comer?

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 08:28 PM

do you have any storys on bob wallace or any of his dog or did you ever see any of bobs dogs go in the pit? I have heard some stories about him I just wanted to see if there true like his dogs were not all that but he was one hell of a conditioner what's your take on that thanks in advance grate storys.Bob Wallace was about as good of a man as you would ever want to meet.he was a honest man who bred honest dogs.he wasn't a peddler or anything like that i think he sold less than 30 dogs in his time.he was most famous for his red nose dogs but that wasn't what he really started with.that started around 1947 or 48 but how it all came about was he was looking for a good quailty dog to breed into his current line of dogs.and it took him years of planning for him to decide on a red nosed strain because of his strict breeding rules.but what he run into at that point and time was that they were basically wiped out or destroyed by your BYB's of the time.wich almost made him go in a diffrent direction untill he came across 7 good dogs with proper backgrounds that he was pleased with.and he worked with that untill the 50's and then they exploded amongst the dogmen and almost everyone was after one.wich wasn't what he was wanting but there was no denying he was the tops in Red nose strains as far as i am concerned.but it got so out of hand i remember he wrote a piece one time called red noses ain't what there cracked up to be or something like that to try and get folks to stop thinking them dogs was so special,they were like the blue dogs of their day.but to say there wasn't a man with more passion for that strain than him i would be telling a lie.he bred good dogs in my opinion in fact some of the finest to ever look through a collar and to ask to meet a nicer man you just couldn't,but the same goes for if you got on his bad side to you could not ask to meet a rougher man as well.i mean all you have to do is look at some of his dogs and the pedigree behind them then go look at other pedigrees and you will find some wallace dogs in there so that should speak for it's self.

Old Timer

08-16-2007, 08:30 PM

I got a good question. How would you feel about teaching a few things to an up and comer?if that person is dedicated and willing to learn and follow through with it i have no problems with it at all.never have and never will.but the person has to be 100% devoted,do whats asked no matter what that person thinks is right or wrong and follow through with it.

kane85

08-16-2007, 09:08 PM

Thanks that was some grate info

440rider

08-17-2007, 08:48 AM

now as far as my dogs i have them down from blind billy,boze,eli,maverick,easy,spook,brandy,boss,bo, spike and the list goes on.

sorry OT i'm slightly confused my apologies....not sure exactly what you are stating. Are you saying you had dogs directly off each of these dogs or your dogs have these dogs in their peds? Seems like you are listing the dogs from a particular ped here..brandy was only bred to maverick and boss and boze and eli are both blind billy dogs so having an eli or a boze dog would constitute and down from blind billy did you have a dog off blind billy if so who was the dam...really fond of the older tight blood? Would like to see how some off that old blood is bred up that you have through these animals.

well i will just use their names that the breeder used the dam was called baby,and the male was called hondo that wasn't their registered names thats just what he called them.

no harm in listing the reg. names or even your dogs grand sire and dam..it would be interesting to hear how your sixbits dog is bred up and talk dogs. I dont care about the name of your animal just how it was bred. Like i stated i had one down through tight billy boy breedings by the ways of boudreaux and borques check a heavy BOZE dog. You stated you had a "spike" do you mean "spyke" off of BOZE...the one bred to billy boy that produced Check?

take care!

SLICK WILLIE

08-17-2007, 11:32 AM

You ever see Edwards Molly B or Garner's Chinaman go?here lately i have been getting a lot of requests in both emails and in private messeges from other members saying i should post old stories i have or things i have encountered over the years i have spent with this breed.so i figure then it must be about time then.so this thread is kind of a question and anwser type deal for everyone.y'all ask me questions and i will do the best to anwser em in this thread for y'all.

Old Timer

08-18-2007, 04:18 PM

sorry OT i'm slightly confused my apologies....not sure exactly what you are stating. Are you saying you had dogs directly off each of these dogs or your dogs have these dogs in their peds? Seems like you are listing the dogs from a particular ped here..brandy was only bred to maverick and boss and boze and eli are both blind billy dogs so having an eli or a boze dog would constitute and down from blind billy did you have a dog off blind billy if so who was the dam...really fond of the older tight blood? Would like to see how some off that old blood is bred up that you have through these animals.

no harm in listing the reg. names or even your dogs grand sire and dam..it would be interesting to hear how your sixbits dog is bred up and talk dogs. I dont care about the name of your animal just how it was bred. Like i stated i had one down through tight billy boy breedings by the ways of boudreaux and borques check a heavy BOZE dog. You stated you had a "spike" do you mean "spyke" off of BOZE...the one bred to billy boy that produced Check?

take care!the dogs i listed is whats in my dogs pedigrees.back in the older days i had a pup directly off of some of those dogs and it went from there.if i ever run into you at a show or something like that and i brought you my pedigree book you will see what i mean.but in case you haven't figured it out i am more comfortable just saying i have Boudreax dogs i don't want folks some how finding my pedigrees in some way and going from there.so i will be honest with you as hard as you are fishing i am doing a side step around it.nothing personal against you or anything like that but there are way to many weirdos on the internet who will steal anything to try and make themselfs look good especially when it comes to pedigrees,wich is why i am fast talking you so much because i don't want to say oh my dogs are bred this this and this way then have someone do a pedigree search and go from there.but if you are going to be at a show or anything like that ask me sometime if i am going and if i am i will bring all the pedigrees you can handle and we can talk dogs till our hearts content.i hope you do understand my ''paranoia'' though.but i have seen pedigrees stolen,pictures of kennels and yards stolen,names and such stolen and then the folks who did create the things by hard work have a hell of a time cleaning everything up.

Old Timer

08-18-2007, 04:19 PM

You ever see Edwards Molly B or Garner's Chinaman go?not myself but i have been told first hand accounts of old Chinaman and they said he was something else.in many he was one of the best modern dogs around.

realonebulldog

08-19-2007, 04:20 AM

not myself but i have been told first hand accounts of old Chinaman and they said he was something else.in many he was one of the best modern dogs around.
If you last once again 30 years old what would you make different? I mean only on the dogs covered. Do you sometimes think this or that I should have made different?:)

purplepig

08-19-2007, 04:46 PM

Hey Jesse

You ever see tudor's "Black Jack"? Heard that was a bulldog who wasnt to be played with!! Apparently he produced pretty well also. Would love to here about that one.

Bullyson

08-19-2007, 05:32 PM

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5827/chblackjackjrju0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-19Hey Jesse

You ever see tudor's "Black Jack"? Heard that was a bulldog who wasnt to be played with!! Apparently he produced pretty well also. Would love to here about that one.

Marty

08-19-2007, 05:44 PM

I'd like to hear some on Irish Jerry if you have any ;)

440rider

08-20-2007, 07:55 AM

nothing personal against you or anything like that but there are way to many weirdos on the internet who will steal anything to try and make themselfs look good especially when it comes to pedigrees,

no worries OT nothing personal taken just interested in what direction you went with dogs I've talked to quite a few gentleman from back in the times that had specific dogs they bred down from though you may have had a few....i respect your privacy and understand.... yes, you are correct as far as the internet being a tool for deception and misrepresentation and it's unfortunate that there are many that make claims as such. There is alot more pride to be had in being an honest hardworking man as you said! Looking forward to reading some more of your historical dogs stories... I really liked the one on bullyson;)....keep'em coming........take care!

kane85

08-20-2007, 07:49 PM

coolhandjean

08-20-2007, 08:16 PM

wow, Old Timer. You have the stories. Thank you for sharing them with us. I love hearing about the interesting lives people have lived.

Old Timer

08-21-2007, 09:33 PM

no worries OT nothing personal taken just interested in what direction you went with dogs I've talked to quite a few gentleman from back in the times that had specific dogs they bred down from though you may have had a few....i respect your privacy and understand.... yes, you are correct as far as the internet being a tool for deception and misrepresentation and it's unfortunate that there are many that make claims as such. There is alot more pride to be had in being an honest hardworking man as you said! Looking forward to reading some more of your historical dogs stories... I really liked the one on bullyson;)....keep'em coming........take care!glad you understand.like i said if we ever see each other a a convention or dog show or that just let me know and we can go through all the pedigrees,lol.

Old Timer

08-21-2007, 09:36 PM

If you last once again 30 years old what would you make different? I mean only on the dogs covered. Do you sometimes think this or that I should have made different?:)well nothing really comes to mind.i always just did what i thought was best and thats about all you can do.no sense to me really dwelling on the past and what you might have done wrong because after a while that will put you dang crazy,lol.

BamaBoy

08-21-2007, 10:48 PM

OT, any stories on Norman Kemmer?

Roadman Jr.

08-22-2007, 03:55 PM

BoiBoi

08-23-2007, 08:13 PM

Hey OT how bout one on jerry clemmons

Roadman Jr.

08-23-2007, 08:36 PM

Hey OT how bout one on jerry clemmonsI would also like to hear one bout mr. clemmons too..

Old Timer

08-24-2007, 01:20 PM

Hey Jesse

You ever see tudor's "Black Jack"? Heard that was a bulldog who wasnt to be played with!! Apparently he produced pretty well also. Would love to here about that one.never seen him but i have heard some damn fine things about him.i mean his record speaks for it's self a 16xw thats damn impresive in my book.and considering a lot of the time he was matched inton something bigger and still won that speaks for the caliber of this dog alone.Earl considered this dog to be his best dog in fact he had such faith in this dog he left him open to any size bracket.so that speaks for it's self as well because if Earl said he was the best by damn i wouldn't question him.

Old Timer

08-24-2007, 02:05 PM

I'd like to hear some on Irish Jerry if you have any ;)well i think you know as many as i do,lol.when it comes to him i don't think i could say anything that hasn't been said before.but i will say this a better man you could not ask for,fair and honest and a top notch dogman.

Old Timer

08-24-2007, 02:27 PM

Hey O.t. One more quetion what have you herd about Ch 35 or what's your take on this dog if the dog is grate in the pit but you don't know nothing about this dog on how it's bred would you breed it I just want to get you personal opinon on this and if anybody knows who they bred him with or if he was ever bred?well that was a fine little dog that Bill had there.he was excellent in the pit in my opinion as well as most.but it was a stroke of luck for Bill and there is nothing wrong with that.he was sold to Bill in 80 or 81 i belive for 35 dollars wich is how the dog got his name.Bill was pretty spent from a night of drinking the night before and he almost didn't even look at the animal.but a younger man in the area knew he was involved with these dogs and needed money so he knocked on Bills door.now the man who sold this dog to Bill was also involved with these dogs and had matched 35 before in fact Bill seen this dog before when this man was walking him one time but all he knew was his friend gave him to him in New Mexico.but anyways he wanted to get rid of the dog because he got into trouble and was going to prison and instead of just giving it to anyone he picked Bill because he knew he was involved with the dogs.but Bill almost didn't take the dog because he didn't know how it was bred and he was still antsy from his problem he was having.but he decided to take the dog for 35 dollars.so he took it and put him in a cage in the basement for the first day or two then he wormed the dog and gave it a good going over and he got rid of the ticks it had and such.i remember he said he had quite a tick problem and was underfed in his opinion but turned out the dog had a good dose of worms wich was making it skinny looking.but he figured he wated that money on this thing till he let him have a go with a couple of his other dogs and see just what he could do and then he knew he had infact been blessed with a good dog and he got it at a steal at that.he tried to breed 35 once or twice i belive but he never did produce to well wich is what you can run into with a dog of unkown background.thats the whole point of a pedigree not to judge gameness or anything like that but judge what might work to cross your dog into because of whats behind it.now myself i would have tried a couple litters but i would have kept and in the event they didn't work out cull every single pup out of that litter.i forget off the top of my head who he bred him to but i think he tried at least twice with no good results.more than likely nothing you haven't read or been told before but the reason for that is not a whole lot is known about the dog and pretty much we all know the same thing when it comes to this little dog.but even though he didn't produce he was a fine animal in my opinion just on his pit ability alone.

Old Timer

08-24-2007, 02:30 PM

OT, any stories on Norman Kemmer?me and him really didn't see eye to eye so i am just going to leave it at that,lol.

Old Timer

08-24-2007, 02:47 PM

Mr.OT any stories on Mr.Mayfield,and what changes have you noticed in the dogs of old and modern times.To me I've noticed that alot of modern dogs might have a hard mouth but not deep game like the ones of old,that could take it as well as give it.And oh yeah what's the deal on Eli?Thankswell what can be said about Don Mayfield champion breeder,handler and about the best conditioner to ever walk the face of the earth.we used to have a saying if you have a dog you have your doubts about take it to Don and he will turn it into a champion so that speaks for his handleing skills and conditioning skills right there.he was ought by every dogman around him at some point and time for something.he was Taught by a man named George saddler who was also one of the tops in my opinion and since Don was schooled by him as was many others that also should speak for Mr Saddler,i remember he told me he spent a entire spring and summer working for Mr Saddler on his yard just to learn some conditioning from him.Mr Saddler was one of the few who could take a average nothing special dog and match it into a great dog and win on nothing but the way it was conditioned he was that good.but what he learned from the likes of saddler,tudor,and the likes was always improve upen what you learn take it and make it better but more importantly make it your own.and thats just what he did with emmense success.but he was also a good man who was honest,friendly,funny and just loved life.he was a good farmer among other things but his heart was the bulldogs and he was so good at them when he was in his prime that only the very top dogmen could compete with him.most any real famous dog ol Don had his hand in it some way or another whether it was giving advice and tips or actuall getting his hands on them.but the biggest change i have seen in todays dogs versus yester years dogs is quailty when bred right the dogs of today are better then your average ones back when i was young.and there is a very simple reason for that anyone can be anywhere today in a matter of hours or a day.so everyone wanting to compete in hog hunts and competions have got to be that much better than they were say 50 years ago.back then all the dogs really had to compete against was other dogs in their area but now a days they have to compete with dogs from all over the world.but i see a lot of changes in the way they are bred now a days and thats not for the better.but when they are bred right i would say the dogs of today are of a little higher quailty than the dogs of yester year.but that just my opinion.now by Eli do you mean Eli or Eli Jr? a lot of folks just call either eli.

Roadman Jr.

08-24-2007, 11:37 PM

Great story thanks,I think he changed the game with his keeps,a great dogman.Now bout eli and how was he truly bred ,was he solely bred off mr.f.b. or was he bred with another dogman dog .cause the other dogmen said that when they saw mr.f.b. with eli at a show that eli looked just like his dog that was bred to mr.f.b., to the one that the litter had died and that eli was off his dogs and not his and that mr.f.b. changed the ped.just wanted to know if you knew or heard what really went on.Thanks

440rider

08-27-2007, 11:09 AM

Great story on RUSHIN BILL'S GR. CH. "35" thank for sharing!

If ya'll want to extended version visit....

http://www.pbreporter.com/grch35art.htm.

BoiBoi

08-29-2007, 03:14 PM

Hey OT how bout one on jerry clemmons
bump....so what do u say jesse

realonebulldog

08-30-2007, 02:17 AM

never seen him but i have heard some damn fine things about him.i mean his record speaks for it's self a 16xw thats damn impresive in my book.and considering a lot of the time he was matched inton something bigger and still won that speaks for the caliber of this dog alone.Earl considered this dog to be his best dog in fact he had such faith in this dog he left him open to any size bracket.so that speaks for it's self as well because if Earl said he was the best by damn i wouldn't question him.

Earl considered this dog to be his best dog in fact he had such faith in this dog he left him open to any size bracket.Wow.... well, thats a sure sign for a 101% Bulldog.

hrdeluxe

08-30-2007, 01:26 PM

Old timer,

I would give anything just to be a fly on the wall back in the old days.

realonebulldog

08-31-2007, 07:53 AM

Old timer,

I would give anything just to be a fly on the wall back in the old days. Klatsch!! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm119YYDE)

DryCreek

09-02-2007, 05:24 AM

My deepest respects....

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23282

Marty

09-02-2007, 07:02 PM

Welcome back from the dead Old Timer :D

Now how about some more stories ;)

Chef-Kergin

09-03-2007, 06:39 PM

Old Timer - back when sporting your dog was legal, what was the gamest scratch you ever witnessed?

(mods lemme know or edit it for me if it's an inappropriate question...didn't think it broke any rules as i'm sure his stories are before present laws were passed and his reply would be for historical and educational purposes, only ;) )

also, any stories about mr. hammonds dogs maybe? i know he has primarily catch dogs now; i spent some time talking to him on the phone about his patterdales very recently, as i'm very interested in that breed, and he seemed to be a very pleasant man and was a treat to talk to.

Old Timer

09-03-2007, 06:57 PM

bump....so what do u say jessewell he was a excellent dogman but on the rest i plead the 5th,lol.

Old Timer

09-03-2007, 07:00 PM

hillbilly

09-03-2007, 08:11 PM

hey OT you got anything on Ch Charlie?

Chef-Kergin

09-04-2007, 11:13 AM

Old Timer

09-04-2007, 03:40 PM

after you reply about ch. charlie, scratch your head and see if you can remember anything you'd seen or heard about ch. wise's maximillian or his sire red devil (iron dusty).

i've been told there's a story in an old mag about how his named got changed form iron dusty to red devil b/c of a show in ky or tn, can't remember which.

and/or cotton's bullet.

thanks!well on charlie i don't think i seen that dog so i can say anything good or bad about him.now it seems to me your more interested in red devil (AKA Creeds Iron Dusty) so i will tell you about him.ol red devil was a 8xw down from neblett/colby stock.Danny Gibson thought very highly of this animal as did most others because he was one of the most game dogs that anyone had seen in quite sometime.but Gibson has been quoted as saying that he never seen a dog gamer than this one and that it lives on in the dogs offspring and that rings ture to this very day.here is a pedigree for ya if you ain't seen one allready.the breeding behind this animal is pretty decent if you ask me.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=979

Roadman Jr.

09-04-2007, 10:49 PM

O.T. who's was telling the truth, Mr.Mayfeild or Mr.F.B. ? in your opinion.

hillbilly

09-04-2007, 11:46 PM

OT how about anything on that ole Jap dog from Texas?

realonebulldog

09-06-2007, 04:25 AM

I heard something from a breeder withe the name Carl Mims. He had a good dog with the name Mims Mose. I really like his stuff (from what I have seen) do you know something about him or his dogs, line etcetera...?

realonebulldog

09-06-2007, 04:31 AM

Pedigree of Roses' Bad Ass Simba 2XW

Parents

GrandParents

G-GrandParents

G-G-GParents

G-G-G-GParents

Mims' Yocum
(Sire)

Mims' Derby

Mims' Moses

Mims' Mose

Wood's Snooty ROM 2XW 2XL

Mims' Moxie

Mims' Midnite (clemen's)

Indian Bolio ROM

Patrick's Tuffy 2XW

Mims' Chug

Crum's Cyclone

Koehler's Bull (sorrell's) POR

Crum's Creamator 2XW

Crum's Creamator 2XW

Patrick's Tombstone ROM 1XW

Patrick's Red Baby ROM

Mims' Chloe

Mims' Moses

Mims' Mose

Wood's Snooty ROM 2XW 2XL

Mims' Moxie

Mims' Midnite (clemen's)

Indian Bolio ROM

Patrick's Tuffy 2XW

Mims' Chug

Crum's Cyclone

Koehler's Bull (sorrell's) POR

Crum's Creamator 2XW

Crum's Creamator 2XW

Patrick's Tombstone ROM 1XW

Patrick's Red Baby ROM

Mims' Sugar
(Dam)

Mims' Lucius

Mims' Salty

Mims' Shorty

Wood's Snooty ROM 2XW 2XL

Mims' Moxie

Mims' Half Pint

Wood's Snooty ROM 2XW 2XL

Mims' Hannah Patch

Mims' Little Amber

CH Kitten's Britches

Melvin's Rattler (kitten's)

Kitten's Brandy Girl

Kitten's Fanny

Kitten's Venom

Kitten's Brandy Girl

Mims' Mitzi

Mims' Case

Melvin's Rattler (kitten's)

Bass' Tramp Red Boy 2XW

Bass' Cat

Melvin's Faith

Bass' Tramp Red Boy 2XW

Bass' Cat

Mims' Half Pint

Wood's Snooty ROM 2XW 2XL

Hooten's Snake

Art's Missy ROM

Mims' Hannah Patch

GR CH Needham's Hannibal 7XW

Weldon's Comet

Old Timer

09-06-2007, 07:25 PM

O.T. who's was telling the truth, Mr.Mayfeild or Mr.F.B. ? in your opinion.when it comes to?

440rider

09-07-2007, 11:08 AM

the eli dog!

Roadman Jr.

09-07-2007, 02:16 PM

when it comes to?Eli of course,and you mean to tell me that there are more stories between the two, after that fall out ,I would love to hear them,but right know I would love to know who do you think was tell the truth bout eli and why you think they were telling the truth....I eagerly wait your reply.Thanks

jr Pit Guy

09-07-2007, 07:50 PM

I was just going to ask a question possibly related to Eli.... Crazy. Well here is my question:

When Eli was stolen from JC's yard and taken to California,he was suposedly bred. It is thought by some that this is where Zebo may have came from. Do you think there is any truth in this, or even a possibility?

hrdeluxe

10-11-2007, 09:13 AM

old timer----Have any stories from some good dogs up my way...IL, IA, WI way???

misterdogman

12-26-2007, 04:51 PM

Hey Oldtimer I got a question for an old man that most young guys these days seem to be divided on. Now that you have seen the huge amount of science on DNA that was not available in your day. Do you see old hunches dogmen had about a dog being a good producer or hard biter or what not backed up in genetic science?

Like back in the day and in other countries still to this day many people might have saw a dog that was a phenomonal specimen... and say this dog had a cold full brother laying around somewhere that they could obtain and maybe you might think if you bred the brother you might still get something good. I know for a fact it is true these days because I can study DNA now and know facts you guys didnt have because back in your day you had no DNA sciences to use.... so what things would a dogman use to decide whether he would breed a certain dog to another to either produce better mouth and keep gameness and or preserves any ceratin traits without ruining others all at the same time not really knowing anything about DNA? Did you just look at the gameness soley and stick 2 favorite dogs together or maybe did you gamble a little and experiment just with off the wall ideas?.... because we all know many dumb ideas turn out great pieces of artwork. So tell me a little about how a man back in the 40s-60s might have looked at dogs compared how we do today in regards to breeding and DNA.