Defense fund for Brian Bailey and Tony Self

[Marty]

GAME-DOG members. As many of you are aware, Brian Bailey and Tony Self were recently arrested on what is believed by many to be unfounded charges. Many of us here know these men and it is our intention to do all we can to help them and their families in their time of need. We do NOT believe the accusations against them, and we are setting up a defense fund to help them pay their legal fees and to help the families with expenses during their time of need also.

To everyone who has used their services, please consider a donation. It is you people who know that these men deliver their pups in great condition. Not the condition these charges try to make it appear.

To all friends, what can I say. We need your donations. What are friends for right! I'm sure they would be some of the first in line if it were one of us.

To all who attend dog shows across the country, these men are a part of some of the shows you attend and they work hard for you and your dogs to attend and have fun. Please, try to make a donation if you can.

To all other pitbull owners, these are honest, hard working men who do not deserve what has happened to them. Please consider a donation of any kind to help out 2 great men who have done so much for our breed.

These are the worst of times for the APBT with all the media attention and we ALL need to unite and stand together.

Please also remember to include them and their families in your thoughts and prayers.

The families would like me to tell you thanks for all the support you all have shown through this trying time. Your kindness has not gone unnoticed, nor will it be forgotten.

The new Po box to donate to is ...

Pit Bull Community
P.O. Box 461
Orchard Hill, GA 30266

Thanks

Marty

[Marty]

I would like to call your attention to the first two articles... I Hate Illinois Nazis and In Response to a Daily Southtown Article...

Its about this case.

Go read them ;)
http://nopitbullbans.com/
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[idgie]

If anyone would like to use Paypal, you can send it directly through <a href="http://www.pitarchive.org">Pit Archive</a>. Paypal charges a small fee, but it's fast. We're all working together to get these guys out!

Just go to the site and click "Paypal Donations" on the left sidebar.

[14rock]

Idgie, thanks. It's there.

If there is ANYTHING else needed, let me know. Those who need to, know my location.

[idgie]

Idgie, thanks. It's there.

If there is ANYTHING else needed, let me know. Those who need to, know my location.

I just got the notification and already let them know. This was SO generous of you. :)

[CrazyK9]

I'm sorry, I don't have any money to donate, but I'm willing to make banners advertising the cause for people to post on other sites and in their game-dog signatures.

Great articles on that site Marty. Thanks for that link.

[Suki]

I would like to call your attention to the first two articles... I Hate Illinois Nazis and In Response to a Daily Southtown Article...

Its about this case.

Go read them ;)
http://nopitbullbans.com/
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great reads! tx! ....consider mine on its way. ;)

[14rock]

If I had more to spare, it would be there. Expect another, next paycheck. I personally know how hard lawyer bills can be. Even acquittal, can result in thousands of dollars in lawyer bills, especially around $200/hr. for a competent one. I have no reservations about these men's 100% innocence.

Strangely enough, no one locally is talking about it. It seems the tactic for this one is fly low-key, kill/sell the dogs, have charges dropped, and move on satisfied without ruffling too many opposing feathers. They know it's a weak case, and will be thrown out early. Raise hell, don't let them think they are free to act as they choose! Anyone who breaks the law is liable to sitting at the defense table. Badge, or not.

Let word of the case spread through the community, and the truth come out. This is not hitting local papers anywhere that I can find it. Make everyone aware, two good men are behind bars on bullshit charges. I know how large BB's transport business was, he was one of the most reputable carriers I've ever heard of. I'm not asking anyone uncomfortable about the case to donate anything. I'm saying, anyone who knows these men personally, knows the truth, and it would be uncomprehensible for them to turn their backs on two good men, and their families.

Study the case for yourself. Find out what sort of reputation both men have! Make your own decisions. Whatever you do, do not forget about these men. Do not allow others to forget about them. Do not allow this case to be swept under the rug like FB's!

[OklaOutlaw]

Marty, would it be alright to copy and paste your above info into an e-mail that I would like to send out to everyone on my list?
So, far I haven't had any of them e-mail me about this case (I just read about it tonight) so, I figure they may not know about it.

Also, where do the donations need to be sent to? For those that don't want to use Paypal...

Thanks!
Kathy Edwards

[LuvinBullies]

If anyone would like to use Paypal, you can send it directly through Pit Archive (http://www.pitarchive.org). Paypal charges a small fee, but it's fast. We're all working together to get these guys out!

Just go to the site and click "Paypal Donations" on the left sidebar.Going there now...more to come after maternity leave is over in a few weeks and I can get back to work...;) This fund will be open for several weeks, right?

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Where is the PO box addy Marty? If you do not mind, I too would like to copy/paste your well written post on other boards.

In addition, since you are in contact with the families, please do tell them to ask for "stay" on any order to destroy innocent dogs.

I ask that anyone that has read Marty's post contributes what he/she spent on the "weekend" or what they saved by not going out. These men need to go home NOW.

When the smoke clears, lawsuits must be placed against the police and every other agency involved. I wonder if this issue is large enough for a class action......

[diva]

We are going to hold a fun show this Saturday in Jasper,AL. Our proceeds will be donated to the Bailey and Self defense funds. I am in the process of working on a flyer for the show. I will have it posted this evening or first thing in the morning. So all you locals...get your dogs ready and come on out and show your support!

[FearlessKnight]

As well as donating what we can....

Marty where is that P.O box addy at?
I too, would like to know if your post with the address could be sent out in e-mails...we have a long list of emails....

[Old Timer]

is paypal the only way to do it or can i send a cashiers check to a home address or post office box.it is going to be hard but i know it is worth it.so i have a nice sized donation to each of them but would rather do it silently as in no name on the money order or that and maybe a nickname on the envelope and mail it from a diffrent town just to be safe.i want to leave as little paper trail as i can and i always prefer cash to anything else.

[14rock]

Marty will have a po box address soon, where money orders may be sent. They are a few cents I believe, available most anywhere. Fill out some simple info at the post office, mail it, and shred the recpeit if you wish to remain nameless. Of course, you're name is already posted on the forum.

It's never wise to send cash through the mail. The PO Box is not the site's home address, or name. There is no need to add your name to the envelope, so long as you don't expect a return.

You can be as discreet as you wish. However, I urge all members to remember, these are innocent men in desperate need. You are not sending your money overseas for videos, dealing with customs, or any of that bs most partake in without thinking twice about. It's a defense fund, there is nothing illegal about it, or in the accussed activities!

[Old Timer]

Marty will have a po box address soon, where money orders may be sent. They are a few cents I believe, available most anywhere. Fill out some simple info at the post office, mail it, and shred the recpeit if you wish to remain nameless. Of course, you're name is already posted on the forum.

It's never wise to send cash through the mail. The PO Box is not the site's home address, or name. There is no need to add your name to the envelope, so long as you don't expect a return.

You can be as discreet as you wish. However, I urge all members to remember, these are innocent men in desperate need. You are not sending your money overseas for videos, dealing with customs, or any of that bs most partake in without thinking twice about. It's a defense fund, there is nothing illegal about it, or in the accussed activities!yeah i know my name is on the forum,but i just don't want any idiots who may be watching what goes to them get my name.we all know they are innocent but you get some idiot with a badge watching what goes into them they might think we are all involved in something and it go from there.so i was going to use a money order filed under a name and leave no paper trail.i know this is posted publicly as well but still i feel better doing it that way.the less you leave the better.did the same with the Boudreauxs left as least as i could.so if you or marty will just let me know what the address is that would be great.

[14rock]

I'm assuming Marty will set it up after work today. He is the one needing to be contacted. I have no information on the po # right this minute. I appreciate your enthusiasm, we will have to be patient.

Thank you.

[Old Timer]

ok well as soon as it is set up just let me know.i can't stand to see innocent men get a modern day lynching.

[diva]

I just want to say that it is so great of yall to set up a defense fund to help the Bailey and Self families. It is so wonderful to see everyone working together and contributing, whether it be money or prayers, to help others in their time of need. United we stand, divided we fall.

[Marty]

Here's the new PO box for anyone interested in helping in this case it has been added to the first post in this thread ;)


Pit Bull Community
P.O. Box 461
Orchard Hill, GA 30266


I would ask that people PM me for details about how to make out the check or money order.

I would like to thank all of you for your support in this case and these families would be the first to help you I'm sure ;)

My goal to begin with is the $31,000 just to get these men out of jail so they can carry on with their lives.

I'll post more as I get info ;)

And yes anyone that wants to share this post is welcome to, I'm sure the families would appreciate all the help they receive.

[idgie]

Going there now...more to come after maternity leave is over in a few weeks and I can get back to work...;) This fund will be open for several weeks, right?

Yes, at least. We'll keep everyone posted. Just pm me if you have a question.

[brindle]

And maybe it would help if those who have used their Transport Service would write notarized statements about the quality of care their dogs got and the condition the dogs arrived in. Since a log was kept, I'd imagine the info about whose dogs went where is already known.

This is a trumped up arrest and wrongful, and I hope they can sue for damages. Dogs are still considered property and this amounts to stealing, unless these dogs are returned to their rightful owners...

To send a donation, to whom would the check be made out to? Is there a bank account opened for the funds to be held in escrow?

[Marty]

To send a donation, to whom would the check be made out to? Is there a bank account opened for the funds to be held in escrow?Just PM me and I'll let you know who to make it out to and send it to the PO box provided above ;)

[Rockstar]

Dogs are still considered property and this amounts to stealing, unless these dogs are returned to their rightful owners...
The last time Brian had dogs seized, several were only on his property to be bred. The owners of some of these dogs went to court and literally cried and pleaded with the judge to return their dogs. The judge wasn't moved at all. The dogs were destroyed.

[brindle]

The last time Brian had dogs seized, several were only on his property to be bred. The owners of some of these dogs went to court and literally cried and pleaded with the judge to return their dogs. The judge wasn't moved at all. The dogs were destroyed.That's bad news. I'd heard the same thing about some of the dogs at Boudreaux's, they were just there to be bred yet their owners could not get them back and they were dead in a day.

Pretty sad that the owners have no rights, and can not get their own dogs back.

[FearlessKnight]

Just bumping this up....

[CynthiaATL]

Just bumping this up....
Me too!!! :)

[Marty]

Is anyone going to help these people?

I've gotten two PMs about this is all... come on members this is for a very good cause, if these two beat this it will be good for all of us, it will change alot about how the law can just do what they want to with us ;) What we all need to remember is that if these types of cases are allowed to happen none of us will be able to cross state lines without fear of prosecution to attend something as simple as conformation show!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Mrs.Bailey has asked everyone who has had dogs shipped thru Brian,to please write a letter and send to the p.o.box in an effort to help his case.You all know the charges,and as far as I am concerned,they are false. The families are also looking for anyone that knows them to please also forward any character references for either party to the p.o.box.

I would think a notarized statement would be better than an email though and could be sent to the sites PO box and I can get it to her ;)

[LuvinBullies]

Is anyone going to help these people?

I've gotten two PMs about this is all... come on members this is for a very good cause, if these two beat this it will be good for all of us, it will change alot about how the law can just do what they want to with us ;) What we all need to remember is that if these types of cases are allowed to happen none of us will be able to cross state lines without fear of prosecution to attend something as simple as conformation show!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Mrs.Bailey has asked everyone who has had dogs shipped thru Brian,to please write a letter and send to the p.o.box in an effort to help his case.You all know the charges,and as far as I am concerned,they are false. The families are also looking for anyone that knows them to please also forward any character references for either party to the p.o.box.

I would think a notarized statement would be better than an email though and could be sent to the sites PO box and I can get it to her ;)I donated a modest amount through Pit Archive... After I get back to work in a few weeks I'd like to give more- please let me know if you can think of anything else I can do. I can't write a letter on their behalf b/c I don't know them personally, so I feel kinda helpless.:(

[DryCreek]

Also Mrs.Bailey has asked everyone who has had dogs shipped thru Brian,to please write a letter and send to the p.o.box in an effort to help his case.You all know the charges,and as far as I am concerned,they are false. The families are also looking for anyone that knows them to please also forward any character references for either party to the p.o.box. Any thoughts on what info should be included in these letters? Or just a general letter about how pleased people were with the service. We have used BB's service in the past (before the Ontario ban) and were always quite pleased with it. My hubby and I would like to send one and just want to make sure we don't miss any important info when we do so.

[brindle]

Any thoughts on what info should be included in these letters? Or just a general letter about how pleased people were with the service. We have used BB's service in the past (before the Ontario ban) and were always quite pleased with it. My hubby and I would like to send one and just want to make sure we don't miss any important info when we do so.
I would think that you'd want to put in details about how clean and well kept the dogs were. And how the dogs were taken care of.

For a legal case, the more detail the better. And you might want to go have it notarized and signed, otherwise I doubt it would be admissible in court.

I hope more folks here will help support these two men in their fight. It's a trumped up witch hunt but if they get away with it... what's next? Seizing any bulldog traveling in a car from out of state?

[brindle]

Is anyone going to help these people?

I've gotten two PMs about this is all... come on members this is for a very good cause, if these two beat this it will be good for all of us, it will change alot about how the law can just do what they want to with us
I sent what I could right now. It's not good timing and I'll try to send more later on.

Come on folks... This is wrong and we should help them fight it!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Bump, bump, bump

I am broke but sent some because that is no excuse. lol

Together we stand against injustice!

[realonebulldog]

I would like to call your attention to the first two articles... I Hate Illinois Nazis and In Response to a Daily Southtown Article...

Its about this case.

Go read them ;)
http://nopitbullbans.com/
<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->These dogs are very loving and caring,” Estrada said. “The puppies are innocent bystanders.”...........I think all are innocent dogs and men. Strange things go on in the Land of the Free....:(

[OklaOutlaw]

I sent out the info to people on my email list and received the below today. It looks like the AADR and United Dog Owners are joining the crusade...

Bailey’s Transport is accused of dog fighting!

Brian Bailey of Marion, TX, and Tony Self of Stone
Mountain Georgia, operate a legitimate and well
respected USDA class B licensed pet transport service
that delivers animals safely to their intended
destination. That is until late July, when they
stopped at a Burbank, Illinois gas station to get
fuel and clean the cage of a puppy that had become car
sick. Before they could get back on the road, they
were arrested in the parking lot on felony charges of
dog fighting, animal cruelty and neglect! The police
officer was not interested in their federal license,
but insisted the only reason anyone would be
transporting dogs was to a fight, or for breeding dogs
to fight. News accounts quoted animal control
officials who made false claims about the dog’s
physical condition, but failed to provide any
photographs, and ran defamatory reports about Brian
and Tony.

The van was not open and the dogs and puppies inside
were not in plain view so it’s unfathomable what could
have constituted “probable cause” to search the
vehicle. And that USDA license the arresting officer
callously disregarded overrides local or state
jurisdiction. No matter, the men were arrested, the
van impounded and the dogs were seized – much to the
dismay of their owners.

Bail was set at $150,000, and since neither Brian, nor
Tony could post bond, they are both incarcerated in
the county jail and awaiting arraignment on Sept 5th.
Only Tony has been able to raise enough money (with
the help of friends) for a criminal defense attorney.
Brian has not been able to retain council.

Tony’s wife Sherri stated that she was fired from her
job at a local veterinary hospital that was in
negotiation with the county for a lucrative spay and
neuter contract, because they didn’t want to be
affiliated with “dog fighters”. Tony and Sheri run the
ADBA show and weight pull club in Georgia and have a
spotless reputation with local animal control. Sherri
may sue for wrongful termination. In the mean time,
friends and club members struggle to help out with
groceries, dog food and other essentials.

Brian’s wife, Lupe, says she is working three jobs and
fears she might lose her house. She stated that she
has been repeatedly harassed over the phone by animal
control, and that Brian has been repeatedly taken out
of his cell and “questioned” because he has no
attorney.

The dogs are being held until trial and although
animal control authorities had started to ascertain
their potential for adoption (read that as SALE), they
have been notified that any transfer of ownership,
injury, harm or death will render them civilly liable.

Not only did local authorities over step their legal
boundaries, but they appear to have interfered and
conspired to interfere with interstate commerce, A
FEDERAL OFFENSE! With adequate council, they may have
grounds to eventually sue the city for a substantial
sum. But first we need to get them back to their
families and their dogs! If you would like to help
fund the defense of Brian and Tony against these
unfounded allegations, please send a donation in any
amount to: United Dog Owner’s Inc., PO box 2377,
Leland, NC 28451. All donations earmarked for “Baileys
Transport” will go directly to the defense of Brian
Bailey and Tony Self. United Dog Owner’s is an all
volunteer not for profit advocacy organization. On the
web at: http://www.uniteddogowners.com (http://www.uniteddogowners.com)

If you have ever used Baileys Transport service, and
can provide a letter of reference, please contact the
AADR office or aadrlegislation@ yahoo.com (http://us.f538.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=aadrlegislation%40yahoo.com)

[Marty]

Ok, I checked the PO box last night and there was only junk mail, members if you can help Please do so, these have done nothing wrong... I don't care what the media says, They are innocent of all charges, one has a small child crying daily for her daddy to come home and it breaks my heart to know that no one cares enough to send just what ever they can to help in this case :(

I built this site to educate the public and to bring people together as a family, if you were in these men's shoes in the same situation they would be the first ones to help you out I'm sure of that or I wouldn't post it.

I know some are sending money through pay pal and for that I'm grateful... thank you for helping, but we all need to do our part in a situation like this to help stop the way we pit bull owners are treated, and I know for sure this is one case that can help that... so once again Please help if you can ;)

PM me and I'll give you the name to make the check/money order out to and you can send it to the sites PO box and I will personally take it to her.

[DryCreek]

With a board membership of 6,839 people, if everyone donated even 20 dollars to the cause that would total 136,780 dollars. Come payday I'm sending what I can with a letter of reference for the business. Come on people, we need to band together and show that we will not take harassment such as this lying down. It could have been any one of us that were put into this position.

We need to present a united front against this pathetic attempt to destroy more of the breed we all love and respect so much. Imagine how you would feel if it was your dog sitting in AC waiting to come home. :(

[LuvinBullies]

With a board membership of 6,839 people, if everyone donated even 20 dollars to the cause that would total 136,780 dollars. Come payday I'm sending what I can with a letter of reference for the business. Come on people, we need to band together and show that we will not take harassment such as this lying down. It could have been any one of us that were put into this position.

We need to present a united front against this pathetic attempt to destroy more of the breed we all love and respect so much. Imagine how you would feel if it was your dog sitting in AC waiting to come home. :(You are so right...and to put it into perspective a little bit: pet owners are just as much at risk and need to show their support for this cause. I changed vets and sweated for a week because at Dante's last yearly the vet pointed out the scarring (we are talking barely noticeable) from a tiff he got in with my GSD when they were pups, and he told the tech to document the scars and put it in his file. He could have twisted that around any way he wanted to. As pet owners we are not immune! And as for other "doggers" here who haven't chipped in- y'all can't bitch anymore about injustices at the hands of the media, government, HSUS, PETA or crooked cops unless you show your support now- when it really counts. Even the smallest amount WILL HELP. Like DryCreek said- we are a large group of people here- we can make a big difference in these people's lives by just getting off our collective asses and doing what needs to be done.
I sent 20 last week through paypal and I'm sending a check this week. We just cut back a little on groceries (oh bummer I didn't get my Chips Ahoy cookies and premium coffee blend) to make it work. Come on folks. ;)

[GAPITS]

I would like to take a moment in this thread to THANK each and everyone that has said a prayer or made a donation for their support in this matter. This hits very close to home for this board as I have been a long term member, moderator and supporter of it.
If you don't already know it is my family that has been affected and we are not your typical dog people, we spend countless hours putting on shows and pulls, assisiting the law makers in our community, and standing in the fore front of the fight for our breed.
I am holding strong and will continue to do so as we need to remember that this is not a fight just for two men and their families, but a fight for all bulldog owners in this country. If these two are allowed to prosecuted no one will be safe! If laws like the ones they are being held on are allowed to continue no one will be able to cross state lines to attend a dog show without the fear of arrest and detainment. By eliminating our ability to travel they will eventually eliminate the shows and by doing so eliminate our legal and legitimate ownership of the dogs.
I have received documentation to help with the court case from the ADBA, AADR, ACF, and the ADOA but still need help with the day to day so please remember that this is a fight for us all not for just a few.
Again THANK YOU SO MUCH to those that keep us in their prayers and take the time to help fight the battle.

[CynthiaATL]

I would like to take a moment in this thread to THANK each and everyone that has said a prayer or made a donation for their support in this matter. This hits very close to home for this board as I have been a long term member, moderator and supporter of it.
If you don't already know it is my family that has been affected and we are not your typical dog people, we spend countless hours putting on shows and pulls, assisiting the law makers in our community, and standing in the fore front of the fight for our breed.
I am holding strong and will continue to do so as we need to remember that this is not a fight just for two men and their families, but a fight for all bulldog owners in this country. If these two are allowed to prosecuted no one will be safe! If laws like the ones they are being held on are allowed to continue no one will be able to cross state lines to attend a dog show without the fear of arrest and detainment. By eliminating our ability to travel they will eventually eliminate the shows and by doing so eliminate our legal and legitimate ownership of the dogs.
I have received documentation to help with the court case from the ADBA, AADR, ACF, and the ADOA but still need help with the day to day so please remember that this is a fight for us all not for just a few.
Again THANK YOU SO MUCH to those that keep us in their prayers and take the time to help fight the battle.Stay Strong. I know this is a very hard time for your family and Brian's family. You know I am here for you.

And yes I do feel it can affect us all. Even me with my blue cur LOL :p . But seriously folks this is a very serious situation. And we need to help in anyway we can. Wether it is writing letters or donating what we can to their defense fund. This case will set a precedence with these dogs. And it can go either way. We need to make sure that in the end we are not stripped of our right to own and travel with our dogs. Be it working, show, or our beloved family pets.

[Suki]

I would like to take a moment in this thread to THANK each and everyone that has said a prayer or made a donation for their support in this matter. This hits very close to home for this board as I have been a long term member, moderator and supporter of it.
If you don't already know it is my family that has been affected and we are not your typical dog people, we spend countless hours putting on shows and pulls, assisiting the law makers in our community, and standing in the fore front of the fight for our breed.
I am holding strong and will continue to do so as we need to remember that this is not a fight just for two men and their families, but a fight for all bulldog owners in this country. If these two are allowed to prosecuted no one will be safe! If laws like the ones they are being held on are allowed to continue no one will be able to cross state lines to attend a dog show without the fear of arrest and detainment. By eliminating our ability to travel they will eventually eliminate the shows and by doing so eliminate our legal and legitimate ownership of the dogs.
I have received documentation to help with the court case from the ADBA, AADR, ACF, and the ADOA but still need help with the day to day so please remember that this is a fight for us all not for just a few.
Again THANK YOU SO MUCH to those that keep us in their prayers and take the time to help fight the battle.


You're VERY welcome, and hang tight. wish i could continue to send more, but i WILL continue to pray....and do whatever else i can for you guys.
my best to you and yours. :)

[OklaOutlaw]

Here is info I received today:

permission to cross post

If you, or anyone that you know, had a dog that was
seized by animal control as part of the arrest of
Brian Bailey and Tony Self of Bailey's transport,
contact Hank Greenwood at the American Dog Breeders
Assoc. IMMEDIATLEY! The names of buyers and sellers at
both ends of tansport were in the log book, inside the
van, along with suplementary paperwork such as
required health certificates. Authorities now claim
this paperwork is "missing"!

They already know who you are!!! You have nothing more
to lose by fighting to get your dogs back!!! You do
not have to come forward and contact the shelter, Hank
and ADBA will contact them on your behalf. Call the
ADBA office at (801)936-7513. Leave a message on the
machine over the weekend, and then follow up by
calling again when they open on Monday morning. Email
them your contact information at: adba@adba.cc

Everyone understands that in the wake of Michael Vick
hysteria, you have every right to be afraid of being
publically persecuted for doing absolutely nothing
wrong, and that the media doesn't want to hear the
truth...HOWEVER, because it appears that local
authrities have themselves broken several laws, Owners
of the seized dogs may have grounds to sue the city of
Burbank, IL, the animal shelter, etc in a class action
civil suit. We need to teach these officials a costly
lesson. Please, come forward immediately.
Jade
-------------------

My thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of Brian Bailey and Tony Self as well as everyone that had their dog/pup taken from them.

Kathy Edwards
www.StopOklahomaBSL.com (http://www.StopOklahomaBSL.com)

[DryCreek]

Bumping it up, keeping it fresh.

Just remember, every little bit helps. No amount to small!

To the families of those involved, we have not forgotten, we will not give up trying to help, you are in our thoughts constantly.

DryCreek

[brindle]

Bumpin' it up too... I sent what I could.

There is a large membership here, if everyone would chip in and send $5 or $10, think how much that could mount up to? If 100 people send even just $5 each, that's $500, if 100 people send in $10 each, that's $1000.

Remember folks, united we stand, divided we fall... This could have happened to anyone of us who travel with the dogs.

Let's help Tony and Brian and their families fight this!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

For those who will not donate at all, everytime you log into Game-dog, remember how much you did in a time of need.

All I wish is for both ladies to get their share of the contributions.

[brindle]

Bump... Any news?

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Yes, I have been looking around the net without success. Could anyone care to fill us in? I hope both men DO NOT take a plea agreement. This case is very winnable and they can sue everyone involved and their mothers for it. That city/town will have to change their name to Bailey & Self Town...hehehe

I hope the men are keeping their heads up and minds clear. I will send some more dinero as soon as I can do so......fight the good fight! This is bigger than two men, it is about interstate transportation of our pets. I certainly do not want to feel harrassed by any stereotypes or assumptions called "probable cause" by law enforcement.

[GAPITS]

Just wanted to give a little update although at this time not much has changed. Court is set for Sept. 5th and we are just patiently waiting for that day to arrive. There have been no plea deals offered at this time that we are aware of, but I am sure that will come with the enditement/arraignment. We are trying to stay strong and working on getting up there for court right now (I am hoping to be there) Great thanks to all those that have helped and continue to do so.

[GAPITS]

Well wish us luck and keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I am off to Chicago for the court date first thing tomm morning. :) Thank you again for all your support.

[LuvinBullies]

Well wish us luck and keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I am off to Chicago for the court date first thing tomm morning. :) Thank you again for all your support.You got it...you are all in our prayers and hearts. I hate you are going through such an awful experience. If you can think of anything else at all we can help with please let me know.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I am sure you are long gone but hope my feelings of hope carry through the air. I am pulling for you all and hope their time in jail is not in vain. Your husband et al can do allot for the breed. The case needs to be handled by a competent, experienced lawyer. A win for you is a win for the breed. Your husbands (plural) need to be compensated for their incarcerated time. I am sure if things go your way, prosecution will try to make a deal and make it sound like they are doing you a favor. Do not get fooled or intimidated by pressure! Facts are facts and will win a case. The facts are 1000% on your side.

Hey GAPITS, when you win your lawsuits, please do remember organizations such as the EBA, etc that lobby on our behalf and dogs. Lobby power is what our breed needs. Good luck lady!

[Rockstar]

1. You can't sue the court system in this country.

2. You won't win a lawsuit against law enforcement for wrongful incarceration if there is sufficient evidence to bring charges, even if charges are later dropped for insufficient evidence to convict or you are aquitted by a jury. When a judge decides there is sufficient evidence to bring charges, you're screwed. You can't sue a judge.

3. Illegal search and seizure won't fly in this case because it's too easy for the officer to say that she saw the dogs through the van windows.http://oldschooloutcasts.com/outcasts/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif Not to mention that a law enforcement officer who receives a citizen report of an "endangered animal" in a vehicle has a reasonable basis for conducting a limited emergency check on the welfare of the animal. In addition, the US Supreme Court upholds that an officer’s action in opening a car door is no more intrusive than directing an occupant to do so. The act of opening an unlocked car door does not, in and of itself, constitute a "search."

[Rocky H. Balboa]

1. You can't sue the court system in this country.

2. You won't win a lawsuit against law enforcement for wrongful incarceration if there is sufficient evidence to bring charges, even if charges are later dropped for insufficient evidence to convict or you are aquitted by a jury. When a judge decides there is sufficient evidence to bring charges, you're screwed. You can't sue a judge.

3. Illegal search and seizure won't fly in this case because it's too easy for the officer to say that she saw the dogs through the van windows.http://oldschooloutcasts.com/outcasts/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif Not to mention that a law enforcement officer who receives a citizen report of an "endangered animal" in a vehicle has a reasonable basis for conducting a limited emergency check on the welfare of the animal. In addition, the US Supreme Court upholds that an officer’s action in opening a car door is no more intrusive than directing an occupant to do so. The act of opening an unlocked car door does not, in and of itself, constitute a "search."
what a way to burst someone's bubble of hope..lol...now, where is that bad reputation button...lol, lol.....I guess the Mrs has influenced you more than I thought!

I was actually thinking of lawsuits against the city, humane organization responsible for deeming them "fighting" dogs, and police department.

The police department should be (not saying they are legally) liable for search and seizure as "looking through a window" is in itself "searching". Second, where is this so-called informant? any 911 recording of such person claiming dogs being transported for fighting? Yes, you guessed it, i believe that was just an excuse (no real informant). The police saw a truck fool of APBT and an opportunity for a promotion. Self and Bailey's lawyers should be looking into police recordings of conversations between officers on scene and dispatch.

In addition, a time table should be written showing time when Bailey was stopped to when humane worker asserted dogs were standing in their excrements. Defense attorneys should be looking at the standard practices of these organizations (police and AC) in these events and show variances in court. Those variances together may be sufficient to prove malice intent by both police and AC.

Anyway, going back to the police. You say "sufficient evidence" to bring charges. Once the real facts are correctly presented to judge (dogs well-taken care of), there should not have been enough evidence to jail two business men dealing in interstate commerce. As far as charges by a judge, what is the charge now?:confused: I understand they originally had "dog fighting" then changed it to "breeding for fighting", now what? This all sounds like men were kept locked up until a charge could be developed. In other words, locked them up first and figure what to charge them with later....:rolleyes:

Anyway, did not mean to make this a debate. That said, I certainly would not want Bailey and Self not sue in a Civil court. "Proof" in a Civil court is not as tough to prove as it is in criminal courts.

Take care Rockstar!

[Rockstar]

I'm not saying there aren't measures that can be taken, but only that there are some that cannot.

Here's a story that few seem to be familiar with:

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=7065

[AMJULIETTE]

Hey has anyone heard anything, I tried to call but got no answer???

[Marty]

I haven't :(

[14rock]

No word here, not suprisingly, once they deemed they weren't transporting "fighting dogs" the media dropped all coverage. I'm only a few hours away, and there hasn't been a peep!

A slander case, may or may not be applicable. I don't know the courts or law suits very well, but it would seem, going after the courts themselves will not be very likely. If any of the owners of the dogs being moved come forward to claim their dogs, who have been killed/adopted, they should have a small suit I would imagine. A slander case against the gov't is nearly impossible, it needs to be directed at the media who printed cases erroneously.

[GAPITS]

I will be posting an update this afternoon as I am recovering from the trip an taking care of things at home. :)

[simms]

Any word? Bump.....

[GAPITS]

I would first like to say that I am sorry that I did not update you sooner but I have had a hard time dealing with all of this lately and haven't felt very social:(
I was able to attend the court hearing on the 5th of Sept. and upon arrival was informed that they had already been endited and all we would be doing that day is entering their pleas. They both entered not guilty pleas and are now just awaiting their days in court. Mr. Bailey's date is set for the 14th of Sept. and Tony's date is set for the 15th of Oct. All I can adivse about trial is that we (Tony & I) will fight this for as long as we are able to hang on. It gets tougher everyday but we firmly believe that this is not just a case for us and our family but for the breed as a whole and we are not ready to back down.
I would again like to send a huge THANK YOU to all those that have stood along side us in this fight.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I just read that Brian Bailey is going to plead guilty by tomorrow. I was also very sad and surprise to hear NO ONE is supporting him in his time of need. a public defender? Might as well have Pewee Herman defending him. I know as a matter of fact that these public employees do very little defending and allot of convincing to plea. What happened to the organizations mentioned on this thread? Why have they not provided a true defense lawyer? Why was he left to fend for himself? I am glad that Tony is back with his family. I wish Brian B could do the same? Instead, he remains encarcerated for doing LEGAL business as usual.

Can I blame the guy for pleading guilty? I kind of do not but would have prefer him fighting it. I realize by people telling me that Brian is a difficult person to deal with....personally, i have no idea. I do know that these cases are important and need our support. Is anyone going to help Brian make the right decision instead of the easier one?

[GAPITS]

I just read that Brian Bailey is going to plead guilty by tomorrow. I was also very sad and surprise to hear NO ONE is supporting him in his time of need. a public defender? Might as well have Pewee Herman defending him. I know as a matter of fact that these public employees do very little defending and allot of convincing to plea. What happened to the organizations mentioned on this thread? Why have they not provided a true defense lawyer? Why was he left to fend for himself? I am glad that Tony is back with his family. I wish Brian B could do the same? Instead, he remains encarcerated for doing LEGAL business as usual.

Can I blame the guy for pleading guilty? I kind of do not but would have prefer him fighting it. I realize by people telling me that Brian is a difficult person to deal with....personally, i have no idea. I do know that these cases are important and need our support. Is anyone going to help Brian make the right decision instead of the easier one?

Well neither Tony or Brian are back with their families, although Tony was released with a bond (thanks to his mother and father in-law cashing in their retirement fund) he has not been allowed to return home. Brian was not able to retain an attorney due to lack of support, but we all have to remember that everyone that has helped has made a difference. There has been and continues to be support in the form of legal assistance (not funding but offers of expert witness' and such) from the organizations mentioned which is what they are set up to do. They are helping where they can and we are all hoping that Brian holds out but it seems as though they have forced him into a corner. Thanks again for all those that support us in one way or another but remember that it is a daily battle for the families involved and gets harder everyday just to make ends meet, so please do not be so quick to judge a man until you have walked in his shoes. :)

[simms]

Well neither Tony or Brian are back with their families, although Tony was released with a bond (thanks to his mother and father in-law cashing in their retirement fund) he has not been allowed to return home. Brian was not able to retain an attorney due to lack of support, but we all have to remember that everyone that has helped has made a difference. There has been and continues to be support in the form of legal assistance (not funding but offers of expert witness' and such) from the organizations mentioned which is what they are set up to do. They are helping where they can and we are all hoping that Brian holds out but it seems as though they have forced him into a corner. Thanks again for all those that support us in one way or another but remember that it is a daily battle for the families involved and gets harder everyday just to make ends meet, so please do not be so quick to judge a man until you have walked in his shoes. :)
I cant imagine what you and your family are going through. My thought's and best wishess are with ya'll.

[brindle]

Any updates?

[GAPITS]

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/611960,102007dogfighterplea.article It is confirmed that Bailey was forced into a plea due to unbearable conditions. This is why we need to stand up and support each other if this case had been supported by more this might not have been necessary. :( I would like to let those that did stand up know that their support is greatly appreciated. :)

[brindle]

Damn... that sucks. I was hoping for better news.

Thanks for the update.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I am sorry to hear of it despite knowing it was coming. Like you said, as long as we keep in our little niches and do not consider ourselves a part of a fraternity, we will be taken out one by one. I certainly do not critic Mr. Bailey for making a decision. I was not the one locked up for X amount of time. It is sad though that there was not enough support for him to feel it was worth his pain and suffering.

We must continue on this quest for justice and equality under the law. I hope you the best with your case Mrs. Self. It is not easy loving our breed but it sure is worth it.

[GAPITS]

You are right it is not easy with this breed and I cannot say how much the support we have gotten means to us, at the end of a long day it sure is nice to have the moral support of friends in the fraternity.

[Suki]

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/611960,102007dogfighterplea.article It is confirmed that Bailey was forced into a plea due to unbearable conditions. This is why we need to stand up and support each other if this case had been supported by more this might not have been necessary. :( I would like to let those that did stand up know that their support is greatly appreciated. :)

:( VERY sorry to be reading this. i sure was hoping for a more positive outcome for all involved. cripes i can't even imagine what you all must be going thru....
please know, you have my undivided, unwavering support, yes, right til the end.
God bless and hang tough. with you, as always, in heart and in spirit...

[brindle]

It's been a couple of months... Any up-dates?

[GAPITS]

Nothing real great to report, just monthly court dates. It does seem that they are starting to cave as they are desperately seeking a deal, which we will not make as this is going to trial (unless they should choose dismiss, lol). It has been very tough for the family (kids mostly) and the holidays are out of the question for now but we will continue to fight as long as we are able. At this point we are just not sure how long we can hold out or how long it will take. I now have a total understanding of why people choose to take what seems like the easy way out to those not involved as this has ruined us financially and is now taking a huge toll mentally. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers, :)

[coolhandjean]

I now have a total understanding of why people choose to take what seems like the easy way out to those not involved as this has ruined us financially and is now taking a huge toll mentally. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers, :)I'm very sorry to hear this. I wish I had some money to help you all out. I can definitely help with prayers, though.

[misterdogman]

These men have personally brought me dogs to my house either together or seperately. Also these were dogs I bought from members of this site and delivered on many different occasions. The dogs were always in top shape and they even let me keep their nice rope leashes out of their own kindness. I have never seen a dog in ill shape and or heard of them delivering one like that and every time I went out to their white van and looked inside it was full of dogs and all were healthy on every occasion. I get paid today and will tell my old lady to send in a donation. It wont be much but it will pay for a day of either food and gas for their family while they fight the man who is holding them down.

[SLICK WILLIE]

I to used this service to send a dog to NY. It was a wonderful meeting with Brian and one I will never forget. He has carried many animals from here to there and was always doing the right thing. My mentor used his service to carry dogs and said that Brian was the only one he trusted Because he knows dogs and a damn good dogman on top of that! Point again is someone seems to think a dog has more right's than man! Bullshit

These men have personally brought me dogs to my house either together or seperately. Also these were dogs I bought from members of this site and delivered on many different occasions. The dogs were always in top shape and they even let me keep their nice rope leashes out of their own kindness. I have never seen a dog in ill shape and or heard of them delivering one like that and every time I went out to their white van and looked inside it was full of dogs and all were healthy on every occasion. I get paid today and will tell my old lady to send in a donation. It wont be much but it will pay for a day of either food and gas for their family while they fight the man who is holding them down.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Well GAPITS, if financial aid will help you stay the course, financial aid is what you shall have.

I will consider it a personal favor if people send the Self family money in their time of need. Any amount is a valuable amount.

Also, I believe footage of the Vick's dogs under the shelter's care can be very useful in your situation. The video shows dogs with feces in cages and no food or water. They want to make such a major deal about a dog pooping in a cage, well, the shelters know that it happens. Shit happens. lol

I will send you some $ as soon as I buy presents for my family.

Almost forgot, you have the RIGHT to have a speedy trial. They will either dismiss or get on with the circus show. Sometimes these law people like to drag things so as to give you no choice but to take a deal. F them!

[reddog]

HI Idgie thanks for the paypal link I dont know Brian or Tony from a bag of dirt but Im glad to help! If anyone would like to use Paypal, you can send it directly through Pit Archive (http://www.pitarchive.org/). Paypal charges a small fee, but it's fast. We're all working together to get these guys out!

Just go to the site and click "Paypal Donations" on the left sidebar.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Mrs. Self, I came accross this organization that IS hands on. I hope you can contact them and see if they will provide legal assistance.

http://www.americancaninefoudationlaw.com/index.html

Apparently, they are helping other people with their cases (i.e. Tellings vs. Toledo). Regretfully and shamefully, as far as I know, the other organizations such as ADBA, AADR, EBA are doing NOTHING for you or this important cause. I hope the ACF helps you out.

[GAPITS]

Mrs. Self, I came accross this organization that IS hands on. I hope you can contact them and see if they will provide legal assistance.

http://www.americancaninefoudationlaw.com/index.html

Apparently, they are helping other people with their cases (i.e. Tellings vs. Toledo). Regretfully and shamefully, as far as I know, the other organizations such as ADBA, AADR, EBA are doing NOTHING for you or this important cause. I hope the ACF helps you out.The ADBA was involved in the begining and has done more than any of the other organizations, but as with the case they are kinda in a holding pattern at this point. T.L. has been there to talk to when needed as much as he can and that is all the AADR can do at this time. The EBA well thats a different story all together they haven't done a damn thing to help anyone including Tony or Brian in quite sometime from what I am told and after several emails with them I simply called it quits and have as you know been trying to just get by on our own with a little help from our friends.

I have talked to Glen @ ACF many times, they have offered expert witness' for the trial as needed and are very good about assisting the attorney with dog law information as most attroney's do not have much practice in this area. This is a great organization providing the largest group of expert witness' for all forms of BSL and illegal actions and they are not just working on the APBT but all dog breeds and their owners.

I would also like to than Luvinbullies, Marty, and their families for making the girls Christmas brighter,:)

Again thanks to those that have kept us in your prayers, this is an extremely important case for all APBT owners (don't ever think it can't happen to you). I am trying to get to Chicago for the next court date on the 7th and will let everyone know the updates as soon as I get back on the 8th if I am able to make it. :)<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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