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miakoda
07-25-2007, 01:49 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/index.html

(click on link for pics of Garner & 1 of his dogs)



Vick case latest stain on pit bull's changing image


RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- The image of the American pit bull terrier was once the smiling dog living in a shoe with Buster Brown, or the lovable pooch with the circle around one eye that used its powerful jaws to pull members of the "Little Rascals" from danger.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!-- REAP --><!-- PURGE: /2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/art.pit.owner.ap.jpg --><!-- KEEP -->http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/art.pit.owner.ap.jpg Sassy, a 3-year-old female pit bull, is owned by leading breeder Tom Garner.




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But today, many see the pit bull as something very different: As either the center of a rural, Southern white tradition of animal baiting, or the vicious devil dog snarling on the covers of rap CDs or mauling other dogs for big-time purses, as in the recent indictment of NFL star Michael Vick.




"It's important to understand that this isn't about race, but it is about culture," said Cindy Cooke of the United Kennel Club. "One is rural, and the other is urban. But both are equally horrible."

The colors they have in common, says Cooke, an attorney and legislative specialist for the Michigan-based group that first officially recognized the breed nearly 110 years ago, are the red of blood and green of money.

The blood sport has operated underground for years, but many agree the hip hop use of pit bull images moved it out of the shadows -- and the Vick (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/michael_vick) case placed it at center stage.

The star quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, who is black, is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday in U.S. District court in Richmond, Virginia, on charges of sponsoring, along with three others, a brutal dogfighting ring on property he owns in Smithfield, site of their Bad Newz Kennels.

The document outlines a cruel operation in which dogs with names like Maniac and Big Boy are forced to do battle in carpeted pits for purses as high as $26,000. The men allegedly "rolled" young dogs in test bouts, and those animals lacking the desired killer instinct were "executed" -- shot, drowned, electrocuted, hanged or, in one case, bodyslammed to the ground.

It describes a world of "break sticks" used to separate fighting dogs and "rape stands" meant to make aggressive females easier to breed.

"People have this image of them as some kind of uberdog," Cooke says. "More powerful, more fierce, more terrifying."

This could not be further from the description put forth by the United Kennel Club. "The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life," the group's Web site declares. "This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children."

The American pit bull was developed in the late 19th century by British breeders crossing bulldogs with terriers. They were "looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the Bulldog," the kennel club says.

But to a dogfighter, "gameness" is code for a dog's ability to keep struggling, even as its body goes into shock from blood loss.

The breed's image remained largely positive until the late 1970s, when some widely publicized attacks on children started to turn the public's perception, says Karen Delise, a veterinary technician who has studied fatal dog attacks for 15 years and is the author of the book "The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression."

Every generation has had its guard dogs -- the German shepherd, the Rottweiler and others over the years, she says. She blames the music industry -- in concert with the media and the Internet -- for making the pit bull the devil dog du jour.

"It's all tied into the hip hop culture, the image and projection of a dog as an extension of your manhood," she says. "The pit bull is the ultimate accessory."

It's not just white people like Delise saying that.

"Hip-hop culture put Vick in this bind," declared the headline on a recent column in The Kansas City Star. Staff columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, said he hoped Vick's troubles would "serve as yet another wakeup call for black athletes to reject the hip-hop/prison culture that glorifies much of the negative behavior and attitude that has eroded the once-dignified and positive reputation of black athletes."

Gerald Early, a professor of English and African-American studies at Washington University in St. Louis, thinks there is some truth to the argument that rap and hip hop music have helped make the pit bull the "tough dog of the day."

Early, who is black and has written extensively on athletics in black culture, says football is a macho sport dominated by black men, many of them raised on rap and "fired up by the sort of romantic image of being a gangster." Some arrests of players has brought an NFL crackdown effort.

"Vick, of course, becomes a perfect storm," Early says. "Because just as they're trying to deal with this image problem, this whole thing comes up."

The Humane Society of the United States points to CDs such as DMX's "Grand Champ" -- code in the dogfighting world for an animal that's won five straight contests -- or to the video for Jay-Z's "99 Problems," which features a pit bull lunging at the camera.

But rap impresario Russell Simmons, founder of Def Jam Records and manager of such acts as Run-D.M.C., Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys, says those images are just reflections of what is happening on our streets.

"That's the reality," he told the AP in a telephone interview. "That's why we have poets, have always had poets and artists in society, to say things that sometimes people don't say otherwise."

Simmons co-signed a letter last week with the Rev. Al Sharpton and others denouncing "these hideous crimes" and calling on the sporting world to join the fight.

Simmons says the Vick case "is a blessing in the fact that he's brought this to light, that this is happening in our society." The question now is "how we handle it now that it's on the front page."

Caught in the middle of this whole thing is the breed itself.

Cooke says research has disproved common myths about the pit bull, such as the one about its bite force being greater than that of other breeds. "It can't really be the T-rex in a dog suit that it's portrayed as in the media," she says, noting it's Americans' 30th most popular breed, ahead of even Dalmatians and collies.

But the breed's image problem is not helped when Web sites such as [url]www.gamedogs.org carry links to kennels with names like Hellz Comin' and Death Before Dishonor. Many breeders take great pains to distance themselves from the blood sport.

"No pup will be sold for illegal or cruel purposes," declares the Web site of Pitfall Kennels, the Atlanta breeding operation started by Antwan "Big Boi" Patton, a founding member of the hip hop group OutKast. His site boasts tennis star Serena Williams, and musicians 50 Cent and Usher among Pitfall's clients.

Authorities say North Carolina has become something of a center for pit bull breeding and fighting. According to the indictment, several of Vick's dogs came from North Carolina.

Tom Garner, who lives outside of Raleigh, is a leading breeder. A 1985 dogfighting conviction, he says, was the result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In an e-mail response to the AP, Garner said he would not knowingly sell to someone who wanted to fight one of these "magic animals." But dogs are out of his control once they leave his yard.
"I am aware that some dogs from my bloodline are fought," he wrote. "This is analogous to criminals using Toyotas for getaway cars because of their reliability. Certainly Toyota doesn't set out to build getaway cars, but nevertheless the criminal will often find a way to get the item that serves their purpose."<!--startclickprintexclude-->

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FearlessKnight
07-25-2007, 03:18 PM
Interesting to say the least.....Should make people think twice before breeding and selling to whomever.

I am glad that it has been brought to light that other (black) writers and newsleaders (or whatever they are) have said the same thing many people today are saying.....the hip hop and rap culture....are partly to blame. There is truth in it all.

Not color....but culture. I wish more people would understand this, without flying off the handle of "OH IT AINT ALL BLACK" nobody ever said it was.


Great post MIA....as usuall!

chloesredboy
07-25-2007, 04:02 PM
That was interesting,I dont know about putting Garner's dogs and Big boi's dogs in the same catagory though.At least the article was somewhat positive in trying to debunk some of the myths about strong jaws and such.One thing that really bothers me though that I have come to notice from several articles and reports is the idea that break sticks are a sign of dog fighting.I think everyone should have them regardless of what breed they own.I know my brother used them on his chow chow's more times then I've used one my pit bulls.Oh yeah,LOL about the "code" words.I hope they dont find out the secret handshake,then we'll really be in trouble!

SLICK WILLIE
07-25-2007, 04:28 PM
First thing I seen today when I came to work at the PX on Base! I just had to buy it and glad to see many agree with some respected dog people! It does look better for this breed.http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/index.html

(click on link for pics of Garner & 1 of his dogs)



Vick case latest stain on pit bull's changing image


RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- The image of the American pit bull terrier was once the smiling dog living in a shoe with Buster Brown, or the lovable pooch with the circle around one eye that used its powerful jaws to pull members of the "Little Rascals" from danger.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!-- REAP --><!-- PURGE: /2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/art.pit.owner.ap.jpg --><!-- KEEP -->http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/art.pit.owner.ap.jpg Sassy, a 3-year-old female pit bull, is owned by leading breeder Tom Garner.





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But today, many see the pit bull as something very different: As either the center of a rural, Southern white tradition of animal baiting, or the vicious devil dog snarling on the covers of rap CDs or mauling other dogs for big-time purses, as in the recent indictment of NFL star Michael Vick.




"It's important to understand that this isn't about race, but it is about culture," said Cindy Cooke of the United Kennel Club. "One is rural, and the other is urban. But both are equally horrible."

The colors they have in common, says Cooke, an attorney and legislative specialist for the Michigan-based group that first officially recognized the breed nearly 110 years ago, are the red of blood and green of money.

The blood sport has operated underground for years, but many agree the hip hop use of pit bull images moved it out of the shadows -- and the Vick (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/michael_vick) case placed it at center stage.

The star quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, who is black, is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday in U.S. District court in Richmond, Virginia, on charges of sponsoring, along with three others, a brutal dogfighting ring on property he owns in Smithfield, site of their Bad Newz Kennels.

The document outlines a cruel operation in which dogs with names like Maniac and Big Boy are forced to do battle in carpeted pits for purses as high as $26,000. The men allegedly "rolled" young dogs in test bouts, and those animals lacking the desired killer instinct were "executed" -- shot, drowned, electrocuted, hanged or, in one case, bodyslammed to the ground.

It describes a world of "break sticks" used to separate fighting dogs and "rape stands" meant to make aggressive females easier to breed.

"People have this image of them as some kind of uberdog," Cooke says. "More powerful, more fierce, more terrifying."

This could not be further from the description put forth by the United Kennel Club. "The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life," the group's Web site declares. "This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children."

The American pit bull was developed in the late 19th century by British breeders crossing bulldogs with terriers. They were "looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the Bulldog," the kennel club says.

But to a dogfighter, "gameness" is code for a dog's ability to keep struggling, even as its body goes into shock from blood loss.

The breed's image remained largely positive until the late 1970s, when some widely publicized attacks on children started to turn the public's perception, says Karen Delise, a veterinary technician who has studied fatal dog attacks for 15 years and is the author of the book "The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression."

Every generation has had its guard dogs -- the German shepherd, the Rottweiler and others over the years, she says. She blames the music industry -- in concert with the media and the Internet -- for making the pit bull the devil dog du jour.

"It's all tied into the hip hop culture, the image and projection of a dog as an extension of your manhood," she says. "The pit bull is the ultimate accessory."

It's not just white people like Delise saying that.

"Hip-hop culture put Vick in this bind," declared the headline on a recent column in The Kansas City Star. Staff columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, said he hoped Vick's troubles would "serve as yet another wakeup call for black athletes to reject the hip-hop/prison culture that glorifies much of the negative behavior and attitude that has eroded the once-dignified and positive reputation of black athletes."

Gerald Early, a professor of English and African-American studies at Washington University in St. Louis, thinks there is some truth to the argument that rap and hip hop music have helped make the pit bull the "tough dog of the day."

Early, who is black and has written extensively on athletics in black culture, says football is a macho sport dominated by black men, many of them raised on rap and "fired up by the sort of romantic image of being a gangster." Some arrests of players has brought an NFL crackdown effort.

"Vick, of course, becomes a perfect storm," Early says. "Because just as they're trying to deal with this image problem, this whole thing comes up."

The Humane Society of the United States points to CDs such as DMX's "Grand Champ" -- code in the dogfighting world for an animal that's won five straight contests -- or to the video for Jay-Z's "99 Problems," which features a pit bull lunging at the camera.

But rap impresario Russell Simmons, founder of Def Jam Records and manager of such acts as Run-D.M.C., Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys, says those images are just reflections of what is happening on our streets.

"That's the reality," he told the AP in a telephone interview. "That's why we have poets, have always had poets and artists in society, to say things that sometimes people don't say otherwise."

Simmons co-signed a letter last week with the Rev. Al Sharpton and others denouncing "these hideous crimes" and calling on the sporting world to join the fight.

Simmons says the Vick case "is a blessing in the fact that he's brought this to light, that this is happening in our society." The question now is "how we handle it now that it's on the front page."

Caught in the middle of this whole thing is the breed itself.

Cooke says research has disproved common myths about the pit bull, such as the one about its bite force being greater than that of other breeds. "It can't really be the T-rex in a dog suit that it's portrayed as in the media," she says, noting it's Americans' 30th most popular breed, ahead of even Dalmatians and collies.

But the breed's image problem is not helped when Web sites such as www.gamedogs.org (http://www.gamedogs.org/) carry links to kennels with names like Hellz Comin' and Death Before Dishonor. Many breeders take great pains to distance themselves from the blood sport.

"No pup will be sold for illegal or cruel purposes," declares the Web site of Pitfall Kennels, the Atlanta breeding operation started by Antwan "Big Boi" Patton, a founding member of the hip hop group OutKast. His site boasts tennis star Serena Williams, and musicians 50 Cent and Usher among Pitfall's clients.

Authorities say North Carolina has become something of a center for pit bull breeding and fighting. According to the indictment, several of Vick's dogs came from North Carolina.

Tom Garner, who lives outside of Raleigh, is a leading breeder. A 1985 dogfighting conviction, he says, was the result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In an e-mail response to the AP, Garner said he would not knowingly sell to someone who wanted to fight one of these "magic animals." But dogs are out of his control once they leave his yard.
"I am aware that some dogs from my bloodline are fought," he wrote. "This is analogous to criminals using Toyotas for getaway cars because of their reliability. Certainly Toyota doesn't set out to build getaway cars, but nevertheless the criminal will often find a way to get the item that serves their purpose."<!--startclickprintexclude-->

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SLICK WILLIE
07-25-2007, 04:33 PM
Your right! It's not a race thing, but the media along with rock and Hip Hop are making it look like the thing to do! Play the Bad boy bit... Own a Pit Bull and be bad! Lol Some of the most soft spoken people I ever seen own this breed and some down right Nerds :eek:!Yep, it is me again..lol

I too dislike when people throw the race thing everytime something happens. Does it happen? yes but not half as much as people call for it. We are all the same color just in different shades...........

chloesredboy
07-25-2007, 04:38 PM
Your right! It's not a race thing, but the media along with rock and Hip Hop are making it look like the thing to do! Play the Bad boy bit... Own a Pit Bull and be bad! Lol Some of the most soft spoken people I ever seen own this breed and some down right Nerds :eek:!You know thats interesting becasue I once read somewhere that statistics show the largest group of pit bull owners are white women between the ages of 25&60.I'll try to find it again tonight.

FearlessKnight
07-25-2007, 04:56 PM
You know thats interesting becasue I once read somewhere that statistics show the largest group of pit bull owners are white women between the ages of 25&60.I'll try to find it again tonight.
You know regardless of the statistics and all, more white women might own this breed than any other, but there are obviously not the ones getting in trouble with them either. I think that is where the publicity comes from, hip hop and rap culture. Nobody ever hears of 2 white women arrested for pit bull fighting. Just like nobody ever hears (hardly) of all of the great bulldog owners (whatever their color) (or sex). It doesnt matter who mostly owns the breed, it who is doing the illegal shit and getting caught.....leads to a certain culture...JMO

pennsooner
07-25-2007, 04:56 PM
Well, they wrote a pretty fair piece and that is very impressive for a national outlet like CNN. The story mirrors a lot of things I've thought about the situation the breed is in. On the whole considering the source a very very good write up. Great that they quoted both the lady who wrote "the Pitbull placebo" and Tom Garner, both folks I'd hope anyone doing a story on the breed would go to. One thing IMO they got dead wrong. If you count all the registry's then Pitbulls are one of the most popular one or two breeds.

chloesredboy
07-25-2007, 05:09 PM
You know regardless of the statistics and all, more white women might own this breed than any other, but there are obviously not the ones getting in trouble with them either. I think that is where the publicity comes from, hip hop and rap culture. Nobody ever hears of 2 white women arrested for pit bull fighting. Just like nobody ever hears (hardly) of all of the great bulldog owners (whatever their color) (or sex). It doesnt matter who mostly owns the breed, it who is doing the illegal shit and getting caught.....leads to a certain culture...JMOnever said it mattered,just thought it was kind of interesting.

The Watcher
07-25-2007, 05:11 PM
untill we rewind and realize that the most of the problem is that we pay these characters millions of dollars to play a game we will get nowhere. ppl will be ppl.
id rather pay the garbage man more. hell i dont want to pick up ppl's shit.
why is it ppl idol the guys SO much and then when they do things that your neighbors do your let down and erything hits the fan?
You know regardless of the statistics and all, more white women might own this breed than any other, but there are obviously not the ones getting in trouble with them either. I think that is where the publicity comes from, hip hop and rap culture. Nobody ever hears of 2 white women arrested for pit bull fighting.ever think that maybe the wht women are let off lot easier and simply not harrased as much? a wht lady friend of mine readily admitted to me the other day that she rarely ever gets speeding tickets. all it takes is a smile....
I said "dang" ive gotten lots of tickets out there... ya dig? ;)
and to say its the hip hop culture set "us" back even further....
ever see a Korn video with the huge bluff in it... and few other that I can think of with huge snarling bluffs.
sides, hip hop and rock are the same thing. they both talk about sex, money and drugs.

FearlessKnight
07-25-2007, 05:14 PM
never said it mattered,just thought it was kind of interesting.
I wasn't saying you did, if it came across that way, I apologize....I didn't mean any harm to you, I was just thinking about you said. :o

chloesredboy
07-25-2007, 05:22 PM
I wasn't saying you did, if it came across that way, I apologize....I didn't mean any harm to you, I was just thinking about you said. :ono need to apologize,I was just agreeing it was kind of irrelevant,this discussion just made me think of it.

miakoda
07-25-2007, 05:22 PM
some down right Nerds :eek:!

Hi. I didn't know we've met. :o :D

chloesredboy
07-25-2007, 05:31 PM
untill we rewind and realize that the most of the problem is that we pay these characters millions of dollars to play a game we will get nowhere. ppl will be ppl.
id rather pay the garbage man more. hell i dont want to pick up ppl's shit.
why is it ppl idol the guys SO much and then when they do things that your neighbors do your let down and erything hits the fan?
ever think that maybe the wht women are let off lot easier and simply not harrased as much?
and to say its the hip hop culture set "us" back even further....
ever see a Korn video with the huge bluff in it... and few other that I can think of with huge snarling bluffs.
sides, hip hop and rock are the same thing. they both talk about sex, money and drugs.
What does whit women "being let off easier"Have to do with it?I just brought it up becasue I thought it was interesting,If you go up to some random person and ask them what they think when they hear Pit bull,A middle age white women who lives in the suburbs isnt the image that most people will get.And I LOVE korn(my license plate says adidas)but i have to agree those dogs they use are just horrid.I'm not trying to piss anyone off,but from what i hear thats haow the majority of "pit bull's" look in california.About your speeding tickets try getting married to a sheriff's deputy,works everytime!;) LOL.