Oh the Drama...

[MaryBeth170]

So yesterday was nice out and I decided to take Bella and my 3 year old nephew to the beach. We were having fun, Bella was sprawled out in the sand soakin up the sun in total heaven. :) There was an older man sitting behind us at a picknick table and he had a pit tied up to the table who was super excited and jumping all around...well there was this dog that this couple had over near the water and they didn't have it on a leash, which is a law at the park, it was a large lab of some sort....
well the old man with the pit was on crutches and he started to get up and tried to get his dog untied from the table but the pit slipped away from the guy somehow and started running toward the lab...the old man was yelling "he's nice don't worry." to the lady with the lab who was screaming "someone stop this f**cking DOG!!" She was freaking out throwing the f bomb every two seconds, keep in mind there were children everywhere...well the pit finally reaches the dog and they sniff noses while the lady is still screaming, obviously because the dog was a pit.
Well her dog then runs off with its tail between its legs and the pit of course chases trying to play, the dog showed no signs of aggression. Well the chase went across the whole beach and into the parking lot...the couple starting chasing and the old man was going as fast as he could...the guy who owned the lab started screaming "I'm gonna kill your F**cking Pit Bull" the whole beach was silent and watching the huge scene that was taking place....well the chase ends and the pit ended up sniffing the dog and trying to play...the couple is still cussing at the owner and making a huge deal out it....

Well with my nephew being Impressionable at 3 I didn't want to send him home with a new word in his vocab...so I grabbed his hand and started towards the car. By then the old man and the pit had just gotten into the car to leave and the couple was outside their car still bitching about the incident...by the way they were carrying on it would have thought the pit attacked their dog...well they saw me walking by with Bella and started in on her saying "keep your dog away from us" and then making smart little comments about how pits should be banned and what kind of idiots have them for pets...while I'm getting my nephew up in his car seat I hear them calling the police making a total false claim....needless to say my blood was boiling and they were lucky I couldn't say anything with my nephew there....First off if they would of had their damn dog on a leash the chase never would have happened..then they have the nerve to insult me and my dog who is a puppy btw and well behaved and doing nothing but wagging her tail as we walked by....Sorry this is kind of long....it just inrages me.

[dizzle0021]

This is an unfortunate situation. However by owning a pitbull you must take the proper precautions for stuff like this not to happen. Everyone knows how strong they are and being on crutches impared the man from being able to control his dog regardless if he wanted to play or not. And yes the other dog owners where at fault because on the disobeying of the leash law, but by his dog being a pitbull it automatically trumps them in the eyes of most people. But as bad as this situation is, the worst thing that happened was you allowing the people to make the false police report. Now there is one more reason to hate our breed. Im not taking up for the people Im just saying when you own a pitbull and take them into the public you have to be prepared and in control of them at all times because as many people there are that love them there are 100 times that who would love to see them destroyed. Just be Careful.

[MaryBeth170]

Beleive me if the police were there I would not have let that happen. But I didn't know if they were coming and my nephew was grumpy and I was pissed so I just left, yeah I probably could have done more, but I was upset and not thinking clear I guess...

[dizzle0021]

I understand. Its just as a group any time we see our breed being misrepresented we have to make sure we at least but the benefit of a doubt out there. Thats all we CAN do and just hope one day our breed will be vindicated and seen for what they truly are. The ladies and gentlemen of the canine world.

[coolhandjean]

yeah, it sounds like the lab owner and the pit owner were both at fault, and it does seem the lab owners decided to make a bigger issue of it, then they should have...Unfornately, if anything did happen (dog fight), it would be the Pit being put down, and the media blowing it into "Pit stricks fear in children at the beach"...I agree with the person above, we need to stick together as pit owners...But I also understand how you felt like just getting out for there, especially with your nephew hearing words that shouldn't be said around a 3 year old.

[BringBackup]

Wow, the couple was showing a lot of ignorance. It's an unfortunate thing.

First, let me say that I am an APBT lover and bully breed owner. I walk my dogs daily, and if I were to see an APBT running at me, my first thoughts would be that it is going to attack my dog. Actually, if any breed of dog is off leash and runs at my dogs I always assume it will attack and I become defensive. Not to mention both my dogs are dog aggressive.

I've had too many bad experiences with off leash dogs to not become defensive the moment I see one sprinting at me. I see where the people were coming from in that aspect. My dog Caesar was attacked by two Pit Bulls during a run, both who were off leash. I considered posting the pictures of him post-fight, but I'm not sure if this forum allows them?

[Phebes]

Beleive me if the police were there I would not have let that happen. But I didn't know if they were coming and my nephew was grumpy and I was pissed so I just left, yeah I probably could have done more, but I was upset and not thinking clear I guess...
You left knowing they were making a false claim against an ABPT?? All you had to do was call the police ask if they were sending a car. State you were a witness and would like to make a statement.

So now maybe the police took that man's dog and might have it put to sleep.

You had a chance to right a wrong and instead you were pissed so you went home???????????????????????

WTF

[highspeed]

I had a Rottie once, that I rescued, that was a young adult and very playful and not aggressive at all. But she got away from me once on an uncrowded beach and ran, full blast, towards a couple with their two children. She was just overly exuberant and wanted to go see what they were doing but I could only imagine their fear as this 90 pound Rottweiler charged at them, leash flying behind. They could not know she was just excited and not aggressive. Fortunately, they were understanding but I felt terrible about it and still remember it sometimes, years later.

So I understand the Lab people's initial reaction but I do think they made it worse by carrying on like they did. But ultimately, the Pit Bull owner lost control of his dog and that's what started it, even though it wasn't intentional. As Bulldog owners, we can't afford to make mistakes in the public eye.

By the way, a friend of mine has a great, super people friendly dog that is massively dog aggressive. Guess what? It's a Lab.

[Michele]

You left knowing they were making a false claim against an ABPT?? All you had to do was call the police ask if they were sending a car. State you were a witness and would like to make a statement.

So now maybe the police took that man's dog and might have it put to sleep.

You had a chance to right a wrong and instead you were pissed so you went home???????????????????????

WTFI have to agree with this. You maybe should of waited for the police, since you were a "witness". Since you own this breed, that's the least you could of done, IMO. Or, if you wanted to get your nephew out of there, you should of called the police and gave them a statement.

[MaryBeth170]

You left knowing they were making a false claim against an ABPT?? All you had to do was call the police ask if they were sending a car. State you were a witness and would like to make a statement.

So now maybe the police took that man's dog and might have it put to sleep.

You had a chance to right a wrong and instead you were pissed so you went home???????????????????????

WTF
Seriously.....come on...I said the man had left and I highly doubt that he gave them any info so I wouldnt jump to conclusions that the dog is going to get put to sleep especially since no attack occured. Relax.

[Michele]

Seriously.....come on...I said the man had left and I highly doubt that he gave them any info so I wouldnt jump to conclusions that the dog is going to get put to sleep especially since no attack occured. Relax. I hear them calling the police making a total false claim....
what did you hear them saying?

I'm not trying to get on your case, but you heard them making a false claim. What if that was you in that man's shoes? Wouldn't you want someone to stick around and be your witness?

[MaryBeth170]

what did you hear them saying?

I'm not trying to get on your case, but you heard them making a false claim. What if that was you in that man's shoes? Wouldn't you want someone to stick around and be your witness?
I just heard her making it sound like the dog was trying to attack her dog....I understand what you are saying....BUT I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that the police would even come out for this, the dog was not hurt, and the man with the pit was gone. If I would have felt I should have stayed I would have...I was just amazed by the overreaction of the whole thing.

[jeeperino]

Please post stories like this on pitbull-chat.com.

Stories like this are a dime a dozen. "One time at the dog park........." Heard it all around here and it all goes back to bad owners and an ignorant public.

[Michele]

I just heard her making it sound like the dog was trying to attack her dog....I understand what you are saying....BUT I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that the police would even come out for this, the dog was not hurt, and the man with the pit was gone. If I would have felt I should have stayed I would have...I was just amazed by the overreaction of the whole thing.
don't assume anything with regard to this breed. I get upset when I read stories like this. Tells alot about a person's character.....

[MaryBeth170]

Please post stories like this on pitbull-chat.com.

Stories like this are a dime a dozen. "One time at the dog park........." Heard it all around here and it all goes back to bad owners and an ignorant public.

Yeah I'm done posting on this site anyway...too many damn hotheads who think they know everything..Can't post shit without getting slammed one way or another..

[Bullyson]

I think you guys jumped on her a little hard. (and now Im prob next) I understand sticking up for our breed and not letting anything happen to the crippled mans dog but there was a 3 year old there for Christ sake. I would have gotten that child away from that situation as fast as possible reguardless of what was happening with the dogs. I love my dogs but COME ON man. People cussing and screaming all over. Would you sit there and argue with some idiot that thinks pit bulls should be destroyed, knowing its going to be a heated conversation, in front of a 3 year old? I think not. The man with the pitbull left. They're not gonna chase him down. I think what we have here is a classic case of over-reaction all the way around...on the beach and in this forum.

[Michele]

I dont think anyone over-reacted in this thread. There was no bashing. IMO, owners of this breed have to stick together. She took her nephew away from the scene, which was good. But she overheard the lab owners making up a story to the police. And i'm sure everyone knows what kinds of stories are made up when this breed is involved. Knowing that, she could of at least called the police and made a statement.

[Bullyson]

True...I understand we HAVE to stick together, but not everyone thinks clearly in the face of drama. I agree with you, but I agree with her logic as well. Kinda pissin up a rope here.

[dizzle0021]

I agree. No matter how heated a situation is I will cut for my dog and his kind cause i know they would do the same. By not setting the record straight, you have added a lil more fuel to an already outta control fire. No matter what u assume happened or didnt happen to the dog you had a responsibility to do the right thing and you didnt. Any time we take our dogs in public we are ambassadors of the breed and we have GOT always be on our best behavior as well as our dogs. Just as well we have to stand up for any wrong we see happening wether it be a false police report or people mis-representing our breed, because if we dont then who will.

[Bullyson]

You're talking like there were police everywhere taking statements and trying to take the mans dog. The man had left the scene. WTF? I can see calling and making your own statement but having an argument with some dumbass in FRONT OF A 3 YEAR OLD is not the right thing to do! No matter what you say, that shits not right, PERIOD!!!! Some of the people on here are absolutely hillarious. I take APBT rights seriously, just like you. I know our breed is in danger BUT the woman had a child with her. STOP ignoring that! I guess she should have gotten in the couples face and had a shouting match trying to justify the crippled mans dog getting away right? Or maybe she should have just shot them and thrown them in the trunk...That would have been "standing up for our breed" right there boy, lemme tell ya what!

[Michele]

but having an argument with some dumbass in FRONT OF A 3 YEAR OLD is not the right thing to do!
I totally agree with this.....the thing that I find upsetting is that at least call the police and tell them what really happened. You know the lab owners are making up some nonsense story. I could never be comfortable knowing that I did nothing.

[dizzle0021]

Why do you have to get into a shouting match? Much more comes out of talking rationally and not losing your cool. And by doing so you would have taught the three year old a valuable lesson. How to get your point across with out yelling. All im saying is that everyone wants to bash all the bsl stuff and then they allow this to happen and then take up for the person because she was mad. So what! You still have a responsibility to right a blatent wrong.

[Chef-Kergin]

Please post stories like this on pitbull-chat.com.

Stories like this are a dime a dozen. "One time at the dog park........." Heard it all around here and it all goes back to bad owners and an ignorant public.
kudos.

you can't educate those that don't want to learn (not intended towards to OP, but john q public)

locked yet?

[Bullyson]

If you read the story the woman said the couple was "Screaming and dropping "f" bombs". That sounds like a shouting match to me. If you are as passionate about bsl and apbt rights as you say you are than how can you not yell back. Can you honestly tell me if a man is standing in front of you telling you how much of an idiot you are for owning a pit bull you're not gonna yell at him? I have an extremely bad temper when it comes to people yelling and cussing at me so I would have to leave to keep from doing something rash. She should have called the police to make sure nothing was going to come of what happened, thats a given, BUT you cant seem to grasp the fact that these people were freaking out in front of a child. In a perfect world she would have talked to the couple rationally and maybe taught them a thing or two about the best breed of dog that has ever been, but thats not what happened. There will be pitbull haters no matter what we try to do for the simple fact that there will always be irresponsible people who give our best friends a bad name. We're all on the same team here dizzle. We ALL want whats right for our breed. I just think she made the right move because of the kid. Had she been alone with her dog....TOTALLY different story.

[Michele]

She made the right move because she had a child with her, yes, no one is disputing that. She removed herself from a bad situation. But to do nothing at all afterwards, that's just wrong.

[BoogiemanBlood]

She made the right move because she had a child with her, yes, no one is disputing that. She removed herself from a bad situation. But to do nothing at all afterwards, that's just wrong.ok i read all this and here's my take. this is a situation where 2 wrongs don't make a right. it would have been very easy to remove the child from the situation...(to the car) and wait, or call to make a statement. sounds like there's was plenty of blame to go around in this situation. to the OP, please don't come bitching about an injustice when you clearly didn't care enough to stay and make sure that injustice was cleared up!

[dizzle0021]

Exactly thats the only point that i am trying to get across. How can we expect others to help us if we dont help ourselves?

[Michele]

good post Boogieman.....

[chloesredboy]

Let me get my two cents before this gets closed.I really dont want this to come out wrong ,but,I cant say I blame the lab owner.Some people really dont know the difference between a dog running at you to play,and a dog running at you to attack you.I for one am terrified of chows,If one happens to come charging towards me ,you can believe I'm going to fall out!And as messed up as it is,lots of people are afraid of pit-bulls.So though it was dramatic and assinine,you cant blame the woman all that much.

[Phebes]

I think you guys jumped on her a little hard. (and now Im prob next) I understand sticking up for our breed and not letting anything happen to the crippled mans dog but there was a 3 year old there for Christ sake. I would have gotten that child away from that situation as fast as possible reguardless of what was happening with the dogs. I love my dogs but COME ON man. People cussing and screaming all over. Would you sit there and argue with some idiot that thinks pit bulls should be destroyed, knowing its going to be a heated conversation, in front of a 3 year old? I think not. The man with the pitbull left. They're not gonna chase him down. I think what we have here is a classic case of over-reaction all the way around...on the beach and in this forum.
Nope I would have found a place to wait for the police, away for all the drama, after I called and confirmed the police were on their way. Why would I argue with anyone. All I would have needed to do was tell the police what I saw happen.
As a matter of fact had the police been called to confirm they were coming arangements could have been made to meet with the police to give a statement a block or so away or even at your home. The police would have been more than willing to send someone to your home for a statement.

[Phebes]

If you read the story the woman said the couple was "Screaming and dropping "f" bombs". That sounds like a shouting match to me. If you are as passionate about bsl and apbt rights as you say you are than how can you not yell back. Can you honestly tell me if a man is standing in front of you telling you how much of an idiot you are for owning a pit bull you're not gonna yell at him? I have an extremely bad temper when it comes to people yelling and cussing at me so I would have to leave to keep from doing something rash. She should have called the police to make sure nothing was going to come of what happened, thats a given, BUT you cant seem to grasp the fact that these people were freaking out in front of a child. In a perfect world she would have talked to the couple rationally and maybe taught them a thing or two about the best breed of dog that has ever been, but thats not what happened. There will be pitbull haters no matter what we try to do for the simple fact that there will always be irresponsible people who give our best friends a bad name. We're all on the same team here dizzle. We ALL want whats right for our breed. I just think she made the right move because of the kid. Had she been alone with her dog....TOTALLY different story.
It was not her job or place to talk to this couple. But as a APBT owner it IMO was her place to give a statement to the polce as to what really happened.
She could have done this in many ways none of them requiring her to stay there or talk to that couple.

[Phebes]

You're talking like there were police everywhere taking statements and trying to take the mans dog. The man had left the scene. WTF? I can see calling and making your own statement but having an argument with some dumbass in FRONT OF A 3 YEAR OLD is not the right thing to do! No matter what you say, that shits not right, PERIOD!!!! Some of the people on here are absolutely hillarious. I take APBT rights seriously, just like you. I know our breed is in danger BUT the woman had a child with her. STOP ignoring that! I guess she should have gotten in the couples face and had a shouting match trying to justify the crippled mans dog getting away right? Or maybe she should have just shot them and thrown them in the trunk...That would have been "standing up for our breed" right there boy, lemme tell ya what!
OMG that was way to funny!!!!!!!!!!!
Or maybe not...I guess no one knows how to be diplomatic any more.
I do like the trunk thing though. That could catch on.
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[Bullyson]

You all have a point. I stated in almost every post on this thread that she should have called the Police. Its a touchy subject when children are involved ya know?

[Bullyson]

Cant blame the woman for getting scared...CAN blame the couple for talking about "All pit-bulls should be destroyed and only idiots own pit bulls" Thats a bit much!Let me get my two cents before this gets closed.I really dont want this to come out wrong ,but,I cant say I blame the lab owner.Some people really dont know the difference between a dog running at you to play,and a dog running at you to attack you.I for one am terrified of chows,If one happens to come charging towards me ,you can believe I'm going to fall out!And as messed up as it is,lots of people are afraid of pit-bulls.So though it was dramatic and assinine,you cant blame the woman all that much.

[mydawgs]

Its a shame the Old Guys dog got loose, thank goodness he was a non-DA dog. A for the law breaking yuppy idiots who felt their Lab (leashless) was in peril, it is ashame they are the selfish, inconsiderate fools they are. Had I been there with my three year old and had to listen to what was coming out of their ignorant mouths my PB would be the last thing they would have had to worry about.....that being said removing the child from the situation was a correct and posative thing to do, ignoring the ignorants I hope did not have any firther consequences.


You have to ask yourself what the hell is wrong with people today? I guess their Mother's never taught them any better..........

[ABK]

For real. Some folks have absolutely NO home training.

Some months ago my hubby & I were at a swap meet. We were looking at some guns as were another couple. Well, the man next to us makes the gun owner an offer on a gun to which the owner declined, as it was way too low. Instead of simply saying OK & walking away, the man began cussing the gun owner out & threatening to kick his ass!

We were both shocked & disgusted by this!!!

BTW, it's quite obvious the Lab owners were all THAT concerned about their dog's welfare. If they were, the dog would not have been running around off lead. :rolleyes:

[Bullyson]

Very true!For real. Some folks have absolutely NO home training.

Some months ago my hubby & I were at a swap meet. We were looking at some guns as were another couple. Well, the man next to us makes the gun owner an offer on a gun to which the owner declined, as it was way too low. Instead of simply saying OK & walking away, the man began cussing the gun owner out & threatening to kick his ass!

We were both shocked & disgusted by this!!!

BTW, it's quite obvious the Lab owners were all THAT concerned about their dog's welfare. If they were, the dog would not have been running around off lead. :rolleyes:

[realonebulldog]

So yesterday was nice out and I decided to take Bella and my 3 year old nephew to the beach. We were having fun, Bella was sprawled out in the sand soakin up the sun in total heaven. :) There was an older man sitting behind us at a picknick table and he had a pit tied up to the table who was super excited and jumping all around...well there was this dog that this couple had over near the water and they didn't have it on a leash, which is a law at the park, it was a large lab of some sort....
well the old man with the pit was on crutches and he started to get up and tried to get his dog untied from the table but the pit slipped away from the guy somehow and started running toward the lab...the old man was yelling "he's nice don't worry." to the lady with the lab who was screaming "someone stop this f**cking DOG!!" She was freaking out throwing the f bomb every two seconds, keep in mind there were children everywhere...well the pit finally reaches the dog and they sniff noses while the lady is still screaming, obviously because the dog was a pit.
Well her dog then runs off with its tail between its legs and the pit of course chases trying to play, the dog showed no signs of aggression. Well the chase went across the whole beach and into the parking lot...the couple starting chasing and the old man was going as fast as he could...the guy who owned the lab started screaming "I'm gonna kill your F**cking Pit Bull" the whole beach was silent and watching the huge scene that was taking place....well the chase ends and the pit ended up sniffing the dog and trying to play...the couple is still cussing at the owner and making a huge deal out it....

Never trust a Pitbull not to fight. They are bred for this, they are much more dogaggressive than other breeds. ...............thats what you often hear about ouer choice of dogs. Thatswhy I can understand the fear of that man because he thought this dog will kill his dog. But this pit bull only wanted to play. Many pit bulls are naive and friendly in dealing with other dogs, others are dogaggressive. Just it is also with other dog races .I have said it already many times and say it again: Bulldogs are not more aggressive than other dogs, they are more capable fighters . And this is a gigantic difference . Must you be attentive and be careful if your Bulldog to other dogs met? Yes of course. But you must be also careful if your Sivas Kangal or your Rottweiler to other dogs met. Leave the church in the village. The pit bull is not Frankenstein of the dog world.

[CynthiaATL]

Never trust a Pitbull not to fight. They are bred for this, they are much more dogaggressive than other breeds. ...............thats what you often hear about ouer choice of dogs. Thatswhy I can understand the fear of that man because he thought this dog will kill his dog. But this pit bull only wanted to play. Many pit bulls are naive and friendly in dealing with other dogs, others are dogaggressive. Just it is also with other dog races .I have said it already many times and say it again: Bulldogs are not more aggressive than other dogs, they are more capable fighters . And this is a gigantic difference . Must you be attentive and be careful if your Bulldog to other dogs met? Yes of course. But you must be also careful if your Sivas Kangal or your Rottweiler to other dogs met. Leave the church in the village. The pit bull is not Frankenstein of the dog world.I only wanted to add that also some "pit bulls" will not start the fight but believe me they will finish it. What may start out as a friendly "pit" wanting to play may turn into a fight because the other dog tried to dominate the "pit" (have seen that), or for whatever reason

Also I understand wher the OP is comming from The MAIN thing was to get the child out of a heated situation. That is first and foremost.

[Chef-Kergin]

this isn't locked yet?

[CynthiaATL]

this isn't locked yet?
LOL thought the same thing. But since it was still up hey.

[realonebulldog]

I only wanted to add that also some "pit bulls" will not start the fight but believe me they will finish it. What may start out as a friendly "pit" wanting to play may turn into a fight because the other dog tried to dominate the "pit" (have seen that), or for whatever reason

Also I understand wher the OP is comming from The MAIN thing was to get the child out of a heated situation. That is first and foremost. Yes if you ask about a dog that is able to finish a task I would name the Bulldog first above all. But that has nothing to do with DG. No matter how friendly a dog is if another dog trys to tear him a second one he will fight. No dog likes to be dominated. The point is that Bulldogs are strong, fast and effective fighters but they are for sure not always the hyper-aggressive ones...for sure not. But that is the media message and people are scarred....

[CynthiaATL]

Yes if you ask about a dog that is able to finish a task I would name the Bulldog first above all. But that has nothing to do with DG. No matter how friendly a dog is if another dog trys to tear him a second one he will fight. No dog likes to be dominated. The point is that Bulldogs are strong, fast and effective fighters but they are for sure not always the hyper-aggressive ones...for sure not. But that is the media message and people are scarred....
I understand I have seen some dogs just sit there and take it the dominating. They will walk around with another dog attached to them. And that was a few different breeds. BUt I understand what you are saying

[lockjaw]

my two cents no matter where you are at.. its the owner responsibility to have full control of any dog..and he never fought before..i have heard to many times.

[CynthiaATL]

my two cents no matter where you are at.. its the owner responsibility to have full control of any dog..and he never fought before..i have heard to many times.
Wait you know what my favorite is. Is when someone is dropping off their dog for 10 day quarratine for biting someone and they are saying well he never bite before.

The most honest thing that was said to me from a client is whe I asked does he bite. ANd she said well he has never done it but HE DOES HAVE TEETH.

ANd with any dog you should never trust it not to fight in the right situation. And like lockjaw said you should alway mantain control of your dog. ANd if you know that you are injured and you can not control your dog at you best maybe you should leave the dog at home. Now accidents do happen and you should take responsibility for it. Thats the bottom line.

[bdub]

id have busted em in the face

[chloesredboy]

id have busted em in the faceWho?the dog or the people?