Any pictures of hunting?

[NcPrisonGuard]

I was just wondering if any of you hunters have or could post up any pictures of bears or other large game (excluding hawgs) being hunted with Apbts?

[dwd58]

Pits dont do well on bear...they are natural hog dogs, but get killed quickly on bear. I hunt bear , cat and hogs but only use the pits as catchdogs on hogs . I use Black and tans to trail up the game.

I was just wondering if any of you hunters have or could post up any pictures of bears or other large game (excluding hawgs) being hunted with Apbts?

[dwd58]

http://i7.tinypic.com/4pb7h3k.jpg

Pits dont do well on bear...they are natural hog dogs, but get killed quickly on bear. I hunt bear , cat and hogs but only use the pits as catchdogs on hogs . I use Black and tans to trail up the game.

[Texasbulldogs]

I was just wondering if any of you hunters have or could post up any pictures of bears or other large game (excluding hawgs) being hunted with Apbts?
The APBT is NOT a hunting dog!

[blackjackjr_9]

there is no apbt in this photo.

[The Watcher]

thank god. he would not have made it.
I belive the poster is aware that no APBT is in this photo. they clearly say that they only use APBT to catch hogs..
on the otherhand, that is an incredible picture and those dogs desreve some credit for what they do.
there is no apbt in this photo.

[BoogiemanBlood]

http://i7.tinypic.com/4pb7h3k.jpgthat is an.......interesting pic

[BoiBoi]

hey dwd was that lion already shot or do the dogs take it out on their own

[coolhandjean]

yeah, that is an interesting picture, but it looks kind of strange near the mouth of the cat. I don't know if it's the angle or what, but it looks almost fake there, because it looks like part of his face was replaced. I don't know...Good looking dogs though...
We better get some pictures of Pits hunting, otherwise this thread will become noll and void.

[lockjaw]

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Reported By: Jennifer Leslie (http://www.11alive.com/company/bios/article_bio.aspx?storyid=13442)
Last Modified: 5/22/2006 12:19:12 PM



A black bear sighting in a Clayton County neighborhood took a dramatic turn Sunday morning. Police shot the bear when they determined it was a threat.

But they had to turn to a tree expert to remove the bear's body since it was stuck near the top of a pine tree.

Coleman Tatum, who runs a tree removal service in Griffin, was called in to climb up the tree and lower the bear down using a rope.

"When you're about 95 feet up on a pine and you're with a 250 pound bear, it's a little nerve-wracking at first," Tatum said. "Then you get your job done."

The bear ended up at the top of the tree after fighting with one of Christina Halm's pitbulls.

"It was very scary, very scary," Halm said. "We haven't slept in this house all night. We've been up all night."

Halm first spotted the bear in the backyard of her home on Excalibur Drive near Riverdale on Saturday night.

A neighbor called Clayton County Police.

Officers responded and considered the bear a threat to the dogs, so they shot him.

"After they shot the bear, they thought it was dead, but it wasn't," said neighbor Tony
Kwakyi. "It climbed back up the tree."

The bear was severely wounded and stuck in the tree, so state wildlife biologists shot him one more time to end his life humanely.

They believe he was part of a group of bears who live in middle Georgia.

"It's possible the bear wandered this far north in search of (http://www.mrfindalot.com/find/dir.asp?a=324&si=20074&k=in%20search%20of) food," said Ben Johnson, Senior Public Relations Specialist with the Wildlife Resources Division of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources. "He was probably trying to establish its own territory. It was a young adult (http://www.mrfindalot.com/find/dir.asp?a=324&si=20074&k=young%20adult) male."

Neighbors who initially feared the bear felt sorry for him as his body was taken away.

"That's when my heart started beating fast," said neighbor Alicia Anderson. "It really got to me. I understand they did what they had to do in case he hurt anybody else, but it touched me."

State experts believe the bear was traveling alone.

The Georgia Department of Natural Resources has a 24-hour hotline you can use if you spot a bear.

Officials say you should leave the bear alone and give the animal space, if possible.

Then call 1-800-241-4113.

Just last week, state wildlife officers captured a black bear in Augusta and safely moved it to a remote part of north Georgia.well no picture but a pitbull fought and treed a bear..and the police shot the bear and not the pitbull..i call that bear hunting

[simms]

dwd58,

Are those tree walkers you are working with as well? Yes, that is an impressive photo!

[dwd58]

Those are walkers and a curr dog and one of my black and tans. I sent one out west to a friend of mine that guides out there and he caught this pic after one of his clients had just shot the cat out of a tree. Pretty neat pic, huh? I hunt bear, bobcat and hogs and do some guiding also. Didnt mean to hi jack the thread, just answering the question that my pits get the job done on hogs, but havent had any luck with pits on bear or cat.


dwd58,

Are those tree walkers you are working with as well? Yes, that is an impressive photo!

[dwd58]

Here is a nice pic of a bear we bayed up with the Black and Tans

http://i16.tinypic.com/627sqrm.jpg

[coolhandjean]

wow, another great pic...thanks for sharing!...I really like black and tans, but since I have never really gone hunting, I never thought it would be fair if I gota b&t, or any hound (unless I took the time to go out hunting with them).

[NcPrisonGuard]

I was just wondering if any of you hunters have or could post up any pictures of bears or other large game (excluding hawgs) being hunted with Apbts?
The APBT is NOT a hunting dog!


I am aware its not a natural hunting dog.. but I am also aware that plenty of people use them for hunting hogs as catch dogs.. so I figured someone might have tried their hand at other game other than hogs. I know the dogs back in the old days were used for Bear and badger baiting as well.

[dwd58]

Crosses of pits and hounds work very well for bear. 1/4 to 1/8 pit works the best. Too much of the pit blood and they want to catch. Catching works well for hogs, but when a dog catches on a bear, it dont last long. I talked to a guy just a few monthes ago that had a bad group of white bulldogs, medium build, maybe 45- 50 lbs. Not sure of the line or even if they were registered or not, but he had caught several hogs with them. He had never bear hunted before, but he felt sure that with 4 of them, no bear in the world could survive what this group of bulldogs could dish out, as they had proved that many times on hogs. He got with a friend of mine that runs plotts on bear and they turned the plotts out on a pretty good track on the N.C. - Tenn. line the first day of bear season. The plotts got the bear jumped and got him bayed up in a laurel thicket that you could not see into. The thicket was about the size of a foot ball field on the side of a steep mountain. They turned the bulldogs into the noise of the plotts baying the bear. The fight intensified greatly when the bulldogs reached the bay, but you still could not see what was going on , it was so thick. The fight stayed in the same place for a few minutes and then started to leave out the top of the mountain and out of the thicket. They got around just in time to see the plott dogs taking the bear on out of there, but no bulldogs in sight. They spent the next 2 hours crawling through that thicket and carrying out what was left of the bulldogs. Two had broken necks, one was gutted and one was mashed flat. They are a tough breed of dog that knows no quit and knows no back-up. On a bear in order to survive, a dog has to be like a light weight fighter, hit and sting, hit and sting, back up and then go in and hit again. On a big hawg, the bulldog has to catch and just manage to stay away from those big cutters. A bulldog that catches on the ear, can stay away from those weapons as long as he holds on. That is a hogs only weapon. But a bear can slap with any paw, bite with his mouth or jump on and mash a dog. And he can do all these things at once if he wants to. And he can kill a dog with any of these weapons he has in his arsenal. No matter how bad a dog is, he is no match for a bear. All a dog can do is pester the bear until he bays up, or decides to climb a tree.



I am aware its not a natural hunting dog.. but I am also aware that plenty of people use them for hunting hogs as catch dogs.. so I figured someone might have tried their hand at other game other than hogs. I know the dogs back in the old days were used for Bear and badger baiting as well.

[Texasbulldogs]

I am aware its not a natural hunting dog.. but I am also aware that plenty of people use them for hunting hogs as catch dogs
Well…IMO that’s not hunting, unless you consider being lead to the hog after the true working dogs have tracked it and bayed it up? Show me an APBT that is used in hog hunting and 99% of the time you’ll be looking at a cur!

[dwd58]

As it has been discussed many times on here, to take on a 250lb mean ass boar with 3 inch cutters and hold him for as long as 30 minutes to an hour while that animal that is 5 times the pits weight is fighting for its life is showing gameness in my book. That is precisely why those same pits cannot be used on bear.....because they will not quit in the face of certain death ---no matter what they are facing, which is my definition of gameness. The pit excels at what ever they are trained to do, which is why they are the king of the dog world. But you are right on your assessment of pits on hogs, most of the time they are led into the bay. But then they accomplish what the other dogs in the pack cant do as a group, the pit does all by its self. they catch and hold the hog, or they die trying.


I am aware its not a natural hunting dog.. but I am also aware that plenty of people use them for hunting hogs as catch dogs
Well…IMO that’s not hunting, unless you consider being lead to the hog after the true working dogs have tracked it and bayed it up? Show me an APBT that is used in hog hunting and 99% of the time you’ll be looking at a cur!

[Texasbulldogs]

As it has been discussed many times on here, to take on a 250lb mean ass boar with 3 inch cutters and hold him for as long as 30 minutes to an hour while that animal that is 5 times the pits weight is fighting for its life is showing gameness in my book.
Apparently it hasn’t been discussed (at least correctly) enough, if so you wouldn’t still be under the impression that is gameness. Maybe that’s “gameness” in your book but in the real world that’s considered prey drive. If it was “gameness” only the APBT could handle such a task-not the case, many breeds excel at it. It’s just once again a word people throw around and obviously don’t have a clue what gameness actually is or seen it! Truly a discredit to the true game dogs past and present by stating such action is gameness or showing gameness!
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But then they accomplish what the other dogs in the pack cant do as a group, the pit does all by its self. they catch and hold the hog, or they die trying.
Is it that or simply the owners don’t have a standard? Only in hogs do you find such lacking standards! You’d never find a coon hunter with a pack that located, and then had to bring in another to tree. Don’t see, bird hunters with a dog that will scent and locate, and need a second to retrieve.

[lockjaw]

As it has been discussed many times on here, to take on a 250lb mean ass boar with 3 inch cutters and hold him for as long as 30 minutes to an hour while that animal that is 5 times the pits weight is fighting for its life is showing gameness in my book.
Apparently it hasn’t been discussed (at least correctly) enough, if so you wouldn’t still be under the impression that is gameness. Maybe that’s “gameness” in your book but in the real world that’s considered prey drive. If it was “gameness” only the APBT could handle such a task-not the case, many breeds excel at it. It’s just once again a word people throw around and obviously don’t have a clue what gameness actually is or seen it! Truly a discredit to the true game dogs past and present by stating such action is gameness or showing gameness!
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But then they accomplish what the other dogs in the pack cant do as a group, the pit does all by its self. they catch and hold the hog, or they die trying.
Is it that or simply the owners don’t have a standard? Only in hogs do you find such lacking standards! You’d never find a coon hunter with a pack that located, and then had to bring in another to tree. Don’t see, bird hunters with a dog that will scent and locate, and need a second to retrieve. i agree with the first part...and the second part..not so much..there are bay dogs that will chase and hold a hog..but there is a reaction a hog gets the second a pitbull storms him..he forgets all about the bay dogs...and if you want to waste time sneaking up on boars a pitbull will do the job just fine by himself ..hounds are more if you are covering a large area..they are noisey and allow you to locate the boar faster..verses a pitbull who is silent and will be fighting the boar for hours before you find them.

[dwd58]

I guess we will just have to disagree on the aspect of gameness. The biggest reason that I judge the act of catching a mean boar as gameness , is that prey drive on another much larger animal was the way the ancesters of the pit dogs were judged for gameness before matching dogs was ever thought of. From the history that I have studied, the worth of these dogs ancesters were proved on a bull, the matching never started until after the bull baiting was out lawed. I feel it is a much better judge of metal than say- a weight pull? The pit bull has many different uses and not everyone agrees on how they are used. But the main thing is to fight the enemy and not allow them to divide and conquer us.

[lockjaw]

I guess we will just have to disagree on the aspect of gameness. The biggest reason that I judge the act of catching a mean boar as gameness , is that prey drive on another much larger animal was the way the ancesters of the pit dogs were judged for gameness before matching dogs was ever thought of. From the history that I have studied, the worth of these dogs ancesters were proved on a bull, the matching never started until after the bull baiting was out lawed. I feel it is a much better judge of metal than say- a weight pull? The pit bull has many different uses and not everyone agrees on how they are used. But the main thing is to fight the enemy and not allow them to divide and conquer us.i understand what your saying..but an animal only fights back to save its life..and a pitbull go`s in for the kill only after and to late does the animal respond..so even back in history mistakes where made..i would not call bull baiting..testing for gameness...but more of putting on a show for money..come one come all and pay money to watch the little dogs take on the mighty bull..gameness can only be tested by an equal opponent..and thats equal in every form.

[Texasbulldogs]

there are bay dogs that will chase and hold a hog..but there is a reaction a hog gets the second a pitbull storms him..he forgets all about the bay dogs.
Of course it’s a different reaction…though not any different than if an American Bulldog, Cur, Plott, etc was the one latching onto it. It’s called survival instincts! Much like if you’re in a crowd but only one is trying to knock you out…you going to concentrate on the non-threats or the one trying to take your head off?
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The biggest reason that I judge the act of catching a mean boar as gameness , is that prey drive on another much larger animal was the way the ancesters of the pit dogs were judged for gameness before matching dogs was ever thought of.
Gameness wasn’t needed then and it wasn’t until organized dog fights came along that it became sought after and developed! If that’s “gameness” you believe multiple breeds are game-bred? Since you’re speaking of history…why was it curs that were used and became the foundation of hog dogs if “gameness” is needed?
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From the history that I have studied, the worth of these dogs ancesters were proved on a bull, the matching never started until after the bull baiting was out lawed.
Different task requiring different traits! Much like a strike dogs needs different traits versus a bay dog.
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I feel it is a much better judge of metal than say- a weight pull?
Both of them are a useless test for judging an APBT and equally pointless if seeking to know if you have a bulldog or not.
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The pit bull has many different uses and not everyone agrees on how they are used. But the main thing is to fight the enemy and not allow them to divide and conquer us.
The issue isn’t if they do or don’t have multiple uses (we all know they can) simply the blatant disrespect to bulldogs by saying such actions show gameness!

[coolhandjean]

http://i7.tinypic.com/4pb7h3k.jpg
The more I look at this picture, the more I feel it isn't exactly right...What's in the dog's mouth? Part of the neck skin? Why is part of the lion's nose and cheek missing? And the dogs around the cat all seem pretty relaxed. I just feel they'd be in more of a frenzy. Also, why isn't the cat slashing at the dog with it's paw?...It seems to be photoshopped or something. Maybe it's just me.

[dizzle0021]

the original poster said that his friend had just shot the cat. So i think that he is either dead or about to be. Cause a friend of mine hunts coons with walkers and when he shoots them out of the tree its his way of rewarding them by letting them get the coon when it falls out of the tree. And believe me the way these dogs shake, its a sight to see.

[tommy3]

I guess we will just have to disagree on the aspect of gameness. The biggest reason that I judge the act of catching a mean boar as gameness , is that prey drive on another much larger animal was the way the ancesters of the pit dogs were judged for gameness before matching dogs was ever thought of. From the history that I have studied, the worth of these dogs ancesters were proved on a bull, the matching never started until after the bull baiting was out lawed. I feel it is a much better judge of metal than say- a weight pull? The pit bull has many different uses and not everyone agrees on how they are used. But the main thing is to fight the enemy and not allow them to divide and conquer us.I have yet to find any reliable information that proves that these dogs were originally used for bear or bull baiting. Isn't it just as likely or more likely that those baiting dogs came from fighting stock?
Pick up a Richard Stratton book (I believe I am referring to "This is the American Pit Bull Terrier"). He does an excellent job of dispelling this myth. He even posts the original article that started this misconception and tears it apart bit by bit to show that this idea is completely bogus.

I seriously doubt that our dogs came from baiting dogs. Rather, I believe it is the other way around. It is much easier to match two dogs together than finding a bear or bull. It seems to be common sense that fighting dogs came before baiting dogs. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been dogs bred for fighting hundreds of years before they started using them for baiting.

If I had the time and could find the book I would post the article because I am sick of hearing this misconception.