Solid Gold

[miakoda]

So I went ahead & pulled all my dogs off of Natural Balance due to the recall of one variety of their foods. In doing so, I put all the dogs back on Canidae since they have their own manufacturing plant & whatnot. However, pretty much all the dogs are looking bad. They have dull coats, tons of dandruff, look as if they are losing muscle tone, & poop constantly.

So I went browsing my old pet supply store & I picked up a few bags of Solid Gold Wolf King & Wolf Cub (for Savage). I know it's the large breed food, but I like the bison & salmon vs. chicken. Anyways, I was just curious as to if anyone here fed there dogs this brand & if so, how did the dogs do or how are they currently doing.

All comments welcome.

[dogged]

I tried some of their foods a long time ago and my dogs didn't do all that well, but I know dogs who do well on it. Seems to be split down the middle. Some dogs do great, some don't.

I hope Savage likes it!

[Suki]

Yeah, Mia, it's kinda like that saying, "what's good for one may not be good for another". at our boarding facility, MANY dogs come in with that feed and do/look great, but then, you talk with some owners who've had little sucess with that brand and have nothing good to say about it. so, i would say, try it out and just see how they do with it. honestly tho, i hear more pros then cons, point many many different breeds do well on this food.

either way, good luck!

[mikelia]

I have fed the Hundenflocken to my dogs before and the katzenflocken to my cats as well as the mmmillenia (I think that is what it is called) to my old gsd bitch when she couldn't handle as much protein. They did ok on it, nothing spectacular but nothing bad. I've had better luck with the Solid Gold than Canidae. I have seen a lot of dogs do well on it, one dog in particular that could only handle game protein sources, so he did really well on the bison &salmon formula. Gorgeous coat and healthy old boy.
Do you have access to Innova products? I am a big fan of the EVO but their regular adult formula (with grains) I have had the most success with over a large number of dogs. I used to work for a store that sold wellness, fromm, canidae, solid gold, chicken soup, cal. natural and innova, and I had the most success with the Innova line with customers pets.
The Fromm 4* formulas are half decent, as is the wellness formulas.
Good luck Mia :)

[bahamutt99]

Loki did okay on Hundenflocken, but nothing remarkable.

[cheekymunkee]

I fed mine several varieties of Solid Gold, the Hundenflocken, the Mmillenia & Barking at the Moon & liked them all well enough. Justice can eat dirt all day & look good so Munkee is my barometor. He did well but he always develops problems eventually. I think it really depends on the individual dog whether they do well on a food or not. I have friends that have fed Evo with terrible results & friends who feed Purina with great results. :confused:

[The Watcher]

50 was here.....
not sure what to say. I have these probs-
it takes alot of $$$ and alot of TLC to make multiple dogs happy.

[miakoda]

50 was here.....
not sure what to say. I have these probs-
it takes alot of $$$ and alot of TLC to make multiple dogs happy.
LOL. I hear ya.

I understand that different dogs do well on different things. But I'm trying my darndest to at least find a brand of food that they will all do well on even if I have to buy different varieties.

As it is, I'm looking into Timberwolf now that I've taken on a part time job, but it is still going to probably bankrupt me. :p

[Hoyden]

I have to say that I LOVE Timberwolf. I've sold my vet on it and their office raves about it. The feed store in town gives me a discount because I've sent so many people to them, she says she as quadrupled her TW order.

Mark used to balk at the price, but in 9 years, Petey has never looked so healthy. His fur is soft & shiney, his skin is clear, no more bully bumps or tumors, the eye buggers went away and the stains around his white eye went with the buggers.

ALL the dogs in the Five Dog Night post I put up here earlier this week are fed Timberwolf.

I am really happy with it and my dogs love it.

[The Watcher]

let me know. all on one would be best, for all of us.....LOL. I hear ya.

I understand that different dogs do well on different things. But I'm trying my darndest to at least find a brand of food that they will all do well on even if I have to buy different varieties.

As it is, I'm looking into Timberwolf now that I've taken on a part time job, but it is still going to probably bankrupt me. :p

[Danno]

I have to say that I LOVE Timberwolf. I've sold my vet on it and their office raves about it. The feed store in town gives me a discount because I've sent so many people to them, she says she as quadrupled her TW order.

Mark used to balk at the price, but in 9 years, Petey has never looked so healthy. His fur is soft & shiney, his skin is clear, no more bully bumps or tumors, the eye buggers went away and the stains around his white eye went with the buggers.

ALL the dogs in the Five Dog Night post I put up here earlier this week are fed Timberwolf.

I am really happy with it and my dogs love it.I'm hoping I see similar results. I'm in the process of switching from Nature's Variety.

[CrazyK9]

Were they all on the Venison and Brown Rice formula before?

The closest thing to it I've found is Timberwolf's Black Forrest formula. The first 2 ingredients, as well as the fat and protein levels, are the same. The main difference is that Timberwolf's has lamb and salmon in it, but both are considered alternative meat sources and are typically used in allergy/sensitive stomach formulas, so I don't think it would be too much of a problem.

If you think about it though, Timberwolf will probably end up costing you the same. It's more nutrient-dense so your dogs will probably eat a bit less. Whatever you decide on, good luck. Hope the dogs start getting better. I don't know anyone who feeds Solid Gold so I can't help with that.

[miakoda]

I looked at their site & there are no Timberwolf dealers within a 250 mile radius. Lovely, huh?

So I read some more & I decided to contact them about either a) getting into their breeder program or b) becoming a dealer. Since I ordered Natural Balance in 800-1,000 lb increments, I meet the requirements for Timberwolf as they only require a minimum purchase of 510 lbs.

Fifty, if it goes through & I decide to do it, hit me up as we might work out something together. ;)

[shadyridgekennel]

we feed the timberwolf to the dogs and its a great food!!!if there is no dealer . you can become one or you can have them ship it to you. i think they have free shipping.

[440rider]

I looked at their site & there are no Timberwolf dealers within a 250 mile radius. Lovely, huh?

we have tried many different feeds with ours from canidae, hills, solid gold and now feed timberwolf with all around great results with our dogs. Sure its pricey but the dogs do great on it IMO. We have a dealer close by and we get a good discount on it...as far as you not having a dealer near you......


TIMBERWOLF WILL SHIP YOUR FEED FREE when ordering directly from them and if you order $100 or more you get 10% off can't beat that! Great customer support and will answer any ?'s you may have. Take care

[The Watcher]

im down. let me know.

maybe we could also persuade them to make a sporting formula, if they dont already.

I looked at their site & there are no Timberwolf dealers within a 250 mile radius. Lovely, huh?

So I read some more & I decided to contact them about either a) getting into their breeder program or b) becoming a dealer. Since I ordered Natural Balance in 800-1,000 lb increments, I meet the requirements for Timberwolf as they only require a minimum purchase of 510 lbs.

Fifty, if it goes through & I decide to do it, hit me up as we might work out something together. ;)

[dogged]

maybe we could also persuade them to make a sporting formula, if they dont already.

They make one forumla called Wild and Natural; it's high in fat, protein and grain free. Really good stuff and for very active dogs :cool:

Hope you can get something worked out with them, Mia.

[maryellen1]

here is a site that delivers timberwolf and at better prices too

http://alpha-nutrition.stores.yahoo.net/

i have had my 3 on timberwolf , canidae, evo, california natural, and raw.

they did great on Timberwolf, but pooped alot more for some reason. even on the different flavors.

they did the best on canidae all life stages.

they also were on the solid gold wolf king a few years ago too, and did really good on that as well.

[Bullyson]

We use Neutro Brands. We've stuck with that or diamond for the last year and every dog is fine..

[14rock]

Tried it, will never feed it again.

[The Watcher]

could ya be more specific 14?

[debodebo]

Mine is DVP Natural Balance Ultra Prem. I have not had a problem with it yet.

[FearlessKnight]

could ya be more specific 14?Now, I know I cant speak for folks, but I am guessing he is responding to the topic....LOL! Solid Gold....he fed it and won't again?
possibly??????

[The Watcher]

yea, thats what I was thinkin'. but then again we went from solid gold to timberwolf then nutro and diamond.

???

Now, I know I cant speak for folks, but I am guessing he is responding to the topic....LOL! Solid Gold....he fed it and won't again?
possibly??????

[Old Timer]

LOL. I hear ya.

I understand that different dogs do well on different things. But I'm trying my darndest to at least find a brand of food that they will all do well on even if I have to buy different varieties.

As it is, I'm looking into Timberwolf now that I've taken on a part time job, but it is still going to probably bankrupt me. :pquestion for you.have you ever tried purina high pro? my dogs and most that i have seen do excellent on it.decent price,easy to get a hold of,nice fat protein levels,poop comes out managable and mine look damn good on it to.nice coats and muscle tone,nice energy just real happy on it.just a suggestion for ya http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[FearlessKnight]

yea, thats what I was thinkin'. but then again we went from solid gold to timberwolf then nutro and diamond.

???lol...I hear ya~

[miakoda]

Mine is DVP Natural Balance Ultra Prem. I have not had a problem with it yet.
Baker, I had my dogs on DVP & I absolutely loved it........until the venison formula got recalled. And although they didn't recall the others, I don't trust that they haven't had melamine added even if it was done without them knowing. Until this blows over, I'm looking for another food.

[14rock]

I fed Solid Gold for a brief time, at the request of another man who dropped his dog off for a few months. She came with a few big bags of the most expensive food in the store, with the thinking "it must be good, if it's that expensive", opted for it over Timberwolf. Out of respect, I fed the food, announcing my dislike often. When she left, the remaining food went with her, and I don't see any coming onto the yard anytime soon.

Diahrea 10+ times a day, poor coat, lack of energy, and poor health in general. She did better on Eukanuba and "Farm n Fleet" cheap shit, than on the ridiculously overpriced Solid Gold. The formula we used was "Barking at the Moon", which was absolutely counter-productive for getting a dog through it's show preparations, and one of the main ingredients is BEEF.

I don't know how it would be as a maintanence feed, but I see little reason in it. Too expensive, pretty bag and high-price tag without the ingredients to follow. I'd pay twice as much for Timberwolf, AND drive 2 1/2 hours to the nearest dealer if free shipping wasn't an option. Not to mention, TW is CHEAPER. Place an order and have it for free on your door step in a few days, can't beat that. I'm back to experimenting with Canidae as I've found it somewhat locally in a pinch, and it's less than 1/2 the price for a competitive food. It's not been long enough to make an honest assesment, but all the dogs are doing well on it so far, after roughly 2 months.

But, back to topic. 50, there ya go. Not worth a shit as a keep kibble base, and too expensive for maintenance feed. Caused my dogs to do extremely poorly, and performed worse than 10 dollars a 50 lb. bag of corn-based "Cheap n Fleet".

[Rottweilerlvr]

I fed my dogs Solid Gold Wolfking for probably a good year, and just recently switched to Canidae about month or so ago... I got to looking at prices and quality for the price, and I decided to switch to Canidae because I got more food for less money and it was a better quality than Solid Gold... When my dogs were on Solid Gold, they did great on it and loved it... There coats looked wonderful... I have been getting Merrick's can food to mix in with the Canidae for one meal(dinner) and they go bonkers, it's gone in like 1 minute... Good Luck, I hope it works for you..

[HBK]

I'm hoping I see similar results. I'm in the process of switching from Nature's Variety.
Why would you switch from Nature Variety?? IMHO and from experience I've never found any better dry kibble for the price. I've fed nearly all of the high end foods at one time or another and NV is the best I've found. I have several friends that stuck with it now too after trying many others. I always recommend it first when asked about foods.
hbk

[Danno]

Why would you switch from Nature Variety?? IMHO and from experience I've never found any better dry kibble for the price. I've fed nearly all of the high end foods at one time or another and NV is the best I've found. I have several friends that stuck with it now too after trying many others. I always recommend it first when asked about foods.
hbkHe's been breaking out to 3 different flavors, not sure if it's the food or an outside source. But, we've been switching to Timberwolf slowly and the redness doesn't seem as pronounced.

[Texasbulldogs]

Okay…why the Timberwolf? You say Canidae (which one…hopefully not the useless Chicken & Rice version?) didn’t work for your dog/s so that made you think switching to a lesser quality kibble and ingredients would benefit them? Was it the 4.5% less Kcal/kg that you liked or the you’re rolling in the money and simply enjoy feeding your 50lb dog 1 ¾ cups more per day? LoL As I’d hate to think you liked oats so much versus rice that you’d be willing to pay over a $1 more per pound for the substitute? Then again I’m an idiot and it could be the less, digestibility you’re impressed with? As I’d like to think the bogus internet ratings isn’t a factor in your decision to looking into that kibble. Just notice all those that feed it…feed the wrong formula. There is a reason they only have one formula recommended for “long term maintenance” (daily). If still looking look into Nature’s Variety…just don’t buy their canned food since you dislike the recall stuff!<O:p</O:p

[miakoda]

Okay…why the Timberwolf? You say Canidae (which one…hopefully not the useless Chicken & Rice version?) didn’t work for your dog/s so that made you think switching to a lesser quality kibble and ingredients would benefit them? Was it the 4.5% less Kcal/kg that you liked or the you’re rolling in the money and simply enjoy feeding your 50lb dog 1 ¾ cups more per day? LoL As I’d hate to think you liked oats so much versus rice that you’d be willing to pay over a $1 more per pound for the substitute? Then again I’m an idiot and it could be the less, digestibility you’re impressed with? As I’d like to think the bogus internet ratings isn’t a factor in your decision to looking into that kibble. Just notice all those that feed it…feed the wrong formula. There is a reason they only have one formula recommended for “long term maintenance” (daily). If still looking look into Nature’s Variety…just don’t buy their canned food since you dislike the recall stuff!<O:p</O:p
Thank you for coming back with your accusatory tone. First off, I am nowhere near "rolling in money" as you put it. However, my financial status is none of your concern. But for the record, I paid a whopping $3 more per bag than I did the Canidae.

Although I usually enjoy your advice, your "ALL dog do well on Canidae" preaching doesn't fly. All dogs are different & not all do well on the same food. As for my dogs, I had them on Canidae All Stages & they look like shit. They shed horribly, their coats are very dry, the dandruff is out of control (& my dogs have never had dandruff issues before....ever), their overall body look is bad, & they poop constantly. I did a fecal check on each & every dog to rule out worms/parasites before blaming the feed. However, all were clean. Plus, this happens every single time I've tried Canidae with my dogs. Even the new pup looks guant & has a horrible coat with loads of dandruff. I don't like Canidae for my dogs. Period.

As for Solid Gold, I'm not pleased with it just after the 2 bags. My dogs poop is loose & God-awful smelly. However, Savage has taken to it quite well.

AF for Timberwolf, I have not tried it.

But I am open to your suggestions, TB, as long as they don't revolve around "Canidae is the only food worth feeding" & "Canidae is the greatest."

[Envy's Mom]

I feed the the Hundenflocken with good results. My only complaint would be terrible gas. I switched from Timberwolf to Solid Gold b/c Pistol is allergic to chicken. She has good muscle tone and too much energy. I would recommend it, but she is the only dog I have fed this too.

I like it better than the NB.

[Envy's Mom]

I feed the the Hundenflocken with good results. My only complaint would be terrible gas. I switched from Timberwolf to Solid Gold b/c Pistol is allergic to chicken. She has good muscle tone and too much energy. I would recommend it, but she is the only dog I have fed this too.

I like it better than the NB.
I agree God awful gas. Its really terrible.

[48lawsofpower]

did you just agree with yourself?


LOL

[Envy's Mom]

did you just agree with yourself?


LOLNO I was agreeing with Mia. I posted before I saw the last post from Mia.

[48lawsofpower]

NO I was agreeing with Mia. I posted before I saw the last post from Mia.

oh got you, sorry I am a little slow in the brain ;)


It's Monday.

[Texasbulldogs]

Thank you for coming back with your accusatory tone. First off, I am nowhere near "rolling in money" as you put it. However, my financial status is none of your concern. But for the record, I paid a whopping $3 more per bag than I did the Canidae.
You’re welcome, though wasn’t any “accusatory tone” in the reply! The “rolling in money” was a joke, followed by questions as to why if Canidae didn’t work you’d try a lesser ingredient kibble. As I could careless if you’re rolling in it or not as it doesn’t benefit me in any form or fashion.

All dogs are different & not all do well on the same food.
Get out of here with that useless saying! Please show me how your dogs are different from any other dog, breed, or wolf. A dog is a dog and each requires the same basic nutritional needs! Cause you keep them in crates haven't changed anything within them!
<O:p</O:p
As for my dogs, I had them on Canidae All Stages & they look like shit. They shed horribly, their coats are very dry, the dandruff is out of control (& my dogs have never had dandruff issues before....ever), their overall body look is bad, & they poop constantly.
And I’m sure you left them on it for no amount of time just like below you mentioning switching from Solid Gold very quickly. Ever thought that the dogs GI system needs to adjust even more when going from a carb based kibble to a premium meat based one.
<O:p</O:p
I did a fecal check on each & every dog to rule out worms/parasites before blaming the feed. However, all were clean. Plus, this happens every single time I've tried Canidae with my dogs. Even the new pup looks guant & has a horrible coat with loads of dandruff. I don't like Canidae for my dogs. Period.
Good then don’t feed it…facts still remain it’s a great kibble and one every other manufacturer follows their lead. I mentioned in a previous thread…people that have problems with kibble are the ones constantly changing it! I’ve personally never seen a dog that didn’t benefit from Canidae and/or do well on it. Only exception is in the early part of 2006 when they was trying out different ingredients and formula changes was there issues with dogs. Why would you do such test if symptoms started with the switch of kibble-seems like a waste? Keep switching until you run out of options or simply feed what you were feeding. As for the “gaunt” looking pup…obvious you’re not feeding enough if it looks that way if nothing is medically wrong with it! Though given your prior kibble you’re simply used to the bloated carb look.

AF for Timberwolf, I have not tried it.
Well try it if desiring what I mentioned before.

But I am open to your suggestions, TB, as long as they don't revolve around "Canidae is the only food worth feeding" & "Canidae is the greatest."
Well if you’d work on the reading comprehension…you’d see where I in fact did recommend a kibble since you said Canidae wasn’t working out and even advised against their canned foods.

[miakoda]

And I’m sure you left them on it for no amount of time just like below you mentioning switching from Solid Gold very quickly. Ever thought that the dogs GI system needs to adjust even more when going from a carb based kibble to a premium meat based one. Just for the record, I'm not an idiot. ;)

I don't change my dogs' food every 2 weeks like you seem to be assuming I do. The first time I had my dogs on Canidae, it was for a 10 month period. They looked like crap. Then, in light of the recall on DVP's NB, they've been back on Canidae for 3+ months now............& they look like crap. I've since switched to Solid Gold for just a whole week. Whoopeedeedoo. And despite the fact that many are having loose stools, I will continue to feed this same brand for at least 14 more weeks to see the true effects unless I choose otherwise.

And when I switched from Canidae to Solid Gold, I did it gradually by incorporating 1-1 bags of each with them being fed a different ratio each day. Just like I do for my horses.

And believe it or not, I DID read through your entire post. However, I feel that if I am going to chance a brand of food involved in all the recalls, I will put my dogs back on DVP's NB (Ultra Premium which was not included in the recall) as they all did very well on that food. I have no good reasons to pay $50+ for a 33 lb bag of food from a company involved in a worldwide recall especially when I will go through a minimum of 2 bags a week easy.

I'm glad Canidae works well for you & I understand you don't believe that different dogs do better on different foods. But in theory if all dogs will do great on Canidae, then please explain why they don't? And why some of those who don't do well on the food actually do downright poorly? The only other food I can compare the results from Canidae to with my dogs is waaaay back in the day when I had some on Purina One. Same thing.

[Marty]

I tried the Canidae for a good long time and out of 8 dogs 3 did great on it but the other five did not... AKA lost muscle mass so much I had to do something I switched all my dogs to timber wolf and they all do VERY well on it... I personally will never feed Canidae again, enough said!

[MinorThreat]

I fed Diamond Green bag for 10yrs without any problems, all healthy lives, looked lean and mean. Switched to Canidae 5yrs ago, have had all the dogs on it and they still all look great and are healthy.

I've never had a feed that effected any of my dogs in a negative way. I guess my experience is what Mr.Texas is saying, I havent had any dogs that dont do well on certain feeds or need anything different then the rest of yard.

[jaystreetsA4]

i will co -sign on diff dogs need diff foods. my first dog i tired the solid gold as the first change from Iams and it was horrible tos ay the least, lost weight and was red all over. i forgot which one i fed but i think its the wolf something one. then i switched her to merricks and forget it! she looked absolutely awesome. fast forward, antoher dog i got now did horrible on merricks. had me scared. but does well on canidae. go figure. good luck int he search, but IME solid gold wasnt tht good. she looked better on iams then even better on merricks.

[HBK]

Canidae didn't work for me, and all dogs don't react the same to the same food. There are so many varitables......but anyways. I gave Canidae more than a fair chance I fed it exclusively for nearly a year because I bought into the "it's the best" line I got from a couple of there reps. I even fed it when they did the formula change in 05 ( i think? ) and even went back to it with a couple of other dogs to see how they would do on it. I wont feed it again. I feed Natures Variety now after trying about 8 or 10 other high end foods. I switch from the chicken to the beef every couple of months to change things up a bit but thats it. I did feed one of my males Evo in prepping for a show for about 6 months total and he did just as well on the NV so I won'tgo back to it. Feed what ever works for you.

[14rock]

Tried Canidae awhile ago, didn't like the results and stopped. Recently, I've given it another shake, and am liking it.

I'm under the impression, the period I stopped feeding it, was when their ingredients were changing and new formulas being added. So long as they keep on top of their QC and keep everything in check, I'm liking it alot for the price.

[MinorThreat]

Canidae is superior to NV, has more meat sources and meat meal vs meat. Canidaes meat is weighed before it's cooked (meat meal) vs NV weighing their meat after its cooked (meat)

[Texasbulldogs]

Just for the record, I'm not an idiot.
Well lets not be so hasty in making such a prediction-we haven’t even got through this thread. ;)
<O:p</O:p
I don't change my dogs' food every 2 weeks like you seem to be assuming I do. The first time I had my dogs on Canidae, it was for a 10 month period. They looked like crap. Then, in light of the recall on DVP's NB, they've been back on Canidae for 3+ months now............& they look like crap. I've since switched to Solid Gold for just a whole week. Whoopeedeedoo. And despite the fact that many are having loose stools, I will continue to feed this same brand for at least 14 more weeks to see the true effects unless I choose otherwise.
I wasn’t assuming anything other than the facts you change kibbles regularly. In roughly 15 months you’ve feed a minimum of 4 kibbles-that’s a lot of switching. What is misleading about your reply and time-frame is the actual time. Prior to me leaving and not posting regularly you weren’t feeding any of the 3 kibbles (Canidae, DVP’s, or Solid Gold) hence the pm’s requesting suggestions from yourself. Now you’ve stated you feed Canidae for 13 months, Solid Gold for 2 weeks…you only fed DVP for 6 weeks? Now the math doesn’t add up, not to mention I’ve all ready stated the time-frame individuals shouldn’t have been feeding Canidae (seems you was in the heart of it). But what makes it all the more unbelievable is for someone that rushes their dog/s to the vets for fecal examines because of the runs…doesn’t seem like the paranoid type that would feed a kibble for 13 months if her dogs were doing so bad on it?
<O:p</O:p

And when I switched from Canidae to Solid Gold, I did it gradually by incorporating 1-1 bags of each with them being fed a different ratio each day. Just like I do for my horses.
They’re not horses and that’s a waste of time and only the protocol when feeding crap. If you can’t switch a food cold turkey-don’t feed it!

And believe it or not, I DID read through your entire post. However, I feel that if I am going to chance a brand of food involved in all the recalls, I will put my dogs back on DVP's NB (Ultra Premium which was not included in the recall) as they all did very well on that food. I have no good reasons to pay $50+ for a 33 lb bag of food from a company involved in a worldwide recall especially when I will go through a minimum of 2 bags a week easy.<O:p</O:p
Was Nature’s Variety on the recall list…? I don’t know as I don’t keep up with it and could care less about it as it doesn’t affect my dogs. Not sure which kibble you’re referring to with the $50 price tag? Though wonder if not wanting to spend that amount you’d even ponder feeding Timberwolf?

I'm glad Canidae works well for you & I understand you don't believe that different dogs do better on different foods. But in theory if all dogs will do great on Canidae, then please explain why they don't?
Like I’ve mentioned…never had nor seen a dog that didn’t do well on it. Given that’s been about a decade of feeding and seeing dogs fed it that’s a lot of dogs to base my opinion on-not simply a few. Seems the ones with the issues with it are also the ones that are constantly switching or fed it during the first half of 2006. If any dog can’t handle what’s being fed to them and the other’s in the yard…it’s a cull and shown to have inferior genetics. Nobody wants to concern themselves with “X” dog/s needing only “X” kibble and void of “X” ingredients (even more so when talking about someone having a yard full of dogs)…they all get feed the same, out of the same bag. Doesn’t matter if being feed Ole’ Roy, Pedigree, Diamond, Canidae, or anything else. Owners expect them to do just as well as the other dogs in the yard being feed the same kibble. The dogs should be more than capable of handling what’s being thrown in their bowls…even more so when it’s the quality of Canidae.
<O:p</O:p
And why some of those who don't do well on the food actually do downright poorly?
Genetically inferior, culls, owners freak out in the adjustment period, simply started at a wrong time…take your pick?

[miakoda]

I appreciate your input, TB. I just disagree & will continue to do so until you show me facts other than "all my dogs in the past decade have done well on it & all the dogs I see do well on it." IMO, you are working with a very small population sample compared to all the APBTs out there.

As for my dogs being genetically inferior & culls, I suggest you take that up with those who bred them/created them: Floyd [Boudreaux], Mike [Norrod], Pat [Patrick], & Tanya from CSP.

Have a good one.

[wheezie]

anyone feed innova evo?

[realonebulldog]

I have fed the Hundenflocken to my dogs before and the katzenflocken to my cats as well as the mmmillenia (I think that is what it is called) to my old gsd bitch when she couldn't handle as much protein. They did ok on it, nothing spectacular but nothing bad. I've had better luck with the Solid Gold than Canidae. I have seen a lot of dogs do well on it, one dog in particular that could only handle game protein sources, so he did really well on the bison &salmon formula. Gorgeous coat and healthy old boy.
Do you have access to Innova products? I am a big fan of the EVO but their regular adult formula (with grains) I have had the most success with over a large number of dogs. I used to work for a store that sold wellness, fromm, canidae, solid gold, chicken soup, cal. natural and innova, and I had the most success with the Innova line with customers pets.
The Fromm 4* formulas are half decent, as is the wellness formulas.
Good luck Mia :)It means Hundeflocken not Hundenflocken. This is a German word. In America really a brand name? In english= dog-flaces.

[K kennels]

i just wnt everyone to know that timberwolf is made by diamond....you won't find it on the bag or website.....i live within a few miles of the plant here in SC.....pm me and i will tell you how i know.....Thanks..........

[HBK]

Canidae is superior to NV, has more meat sources and meat meal vs meat. Canidaes meat is weighed before it's cooked (meat meal) vs NV weighing their meat after its cooked (meat)
You are using old info, NV changed theirs up a bit a few months ago. They start with meat meal too and plus the addition of the bio-coating is nice.


http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1321&-session=naturesvariety:467149610ec5b36543xSx41C671 2


for a couple of more bucks a back you can feed the " Instinct"

http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1404&-session=naturesvariety:467149610ec5b36543xSx41C671 2

I did a show condition on a co-own dog using this and I don't think its worth the extra $$ IMHO

[Texasbulldogs]

I appreciate your input, TB. I just disagree & will continue to do so until you show me facts other than "all my dogs in the past decade have done well on it & all the dogs I see do well on it." IMO, you are working with a very small population sample compared to all the APBTs out there.
What specific “facts” would you like? I’ll break it down for you thus far in this thread since you’re not grasping a thing. You came to the board seeking advice on kibble. People gave you their take and experiences with Solid Gold, some even with other kibbles, and Timberwolf. Being the Solid Gold issue was discussed, I simply pointed out the factual differences between Timberwolf and Canidae. So that you could somewhat be an educated consumer. Then asked why you’d go to a lesser quality food that is very similar. Also mentioned Canidae’s ingredient adjustments and such during 2006 incase that was when you tried it and had negative results. I ended it with a recommendation of Nature’s Variety given your past experiences. Yet instead of doing what you asked for and ciphering through the information…you chose to take my reply as me recommending Canidae yet once again you have your information wrong.
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Yet I’m clueless as to why you even made this thread? Seems stupid given you all ready purchased and are feeding said kibble you’re asking about (should have been done prior to switching) then after members have given you feed back on your thread you state you’re going to continue feeding it for another 14 weeks. Why waste board space and members time if all ready set in what you’re going to do, despite whatever feedback and how the dogs are actually handling it? Just more drama you’re bringing to the board. After all you’ve given other advise on kibble…you should be capable of answering your own questions, reading and understanding a dog food label, and looking at the past 3 kibbles your dogs didn’t do well on and finding the common ingredient/s that could be the culprit. If too much trouble; do as you tell other-seek the assistance of a veterinary. Apparently if it’s not a copy and paste job, drama, or using someone else’s post as your own-you’re lost! Wouldn’t be surprised if the information you’re seeking is so that you can “educate” someone else that asked a question about it on another board.<O:p</O:p

You don’t say Einstein! Of course I’m working with a very small population sample…most feed what’s best for their pocket books not the dog. Reason most only state “I feed “X” kibble” and leave it at that…can’t state why it’s good or bad the pro’s and con’s of “X” kibble. Most on this board alone never heard of Innova, Canidae, Timberwolf, Nature’s Variety, Martin’s K9, Dog Lover’s Gold, Natural Planet Organic, DVP’s, BARF, etc a couple of years ago…hell just look at what you fed a few years back. Go back and look at other members and notice the crap they used to feed and believed was “good”. So it’s not rocket science to figure out the number would be low and will always be. If I was seeking a high number I’d of chosen Ole’ Roy, Purina, or Diamond as that’s what the majority feed. Yet those “low numbers” are still ten folds more than your experience.

As for my dogs being genetically inferior & culls, I suggest you take that up with those who bred them/created them: Floyd [Boudreaux], Mike [Norrod], Pat [Patrick], & Tanya from CSP.
Why would I contact them when you’re the one with the issue, dogs, and seeking help via a message board? Obviously they’re not on it seeking help-you are! Their dogs apparently are doing just fine with the kibble they chose to feed them…an it’s no where near the quality of anything you’ve mentioned. But it’s just like I mentioned-all the same, those that don’t/can’t handle it move on. You got a problem with their dogs that you purchased from them, sure they’d be more than happy to point you in the right direction. By the way doesn’t buying dogs from “breeders” go against a rescuers ethics?

[Bryce]

just to let ya knoww timberwolf is not owned by Diamond

[DeadEyeDick]

just to let ya knoww timberwolf is not owned by Diamond
the post read Diamond MADE Timberwolf, not owned.. I don't know if what the poster is saying is true but alot of dog food manufactures make more than one brand of dog food ..not that they own the brand, but they simply manufacture it in their plants for other companies.. $$$$$

[Bullyson]

Im having a hard time believing someone would act so "enlightened" about dog food. I understand you want to feed your dog good kibble but I dont think its worth having an arguement over. If a certain food works for your dogs..feed it. If not...dont. Its really not that difficult.