? how tall does a boudreaux dog get

[5men]

can any one help

[5men]

i mean boudreaux american pit

[miakoda]

i mean boudreaux american pit
The heighth, width, & looks all depend on genetics. You must take into account that particular pup/dog's pedigree in order to make an educated guess. But no matter what, one could only guess.

[ABK]

Mia is right. For example, the Rocky Biter dogs can be 20 + in. tall & can be up to 65 lbs. Mine on the other hand only was about 16 in. tall & weighed 38 lbs. But on the whole *most* Boudreaux dogs are around 16 in. tall & weigh around 45 lbs.

(This of course is a generalization.)

[jaystreetsA4]

i really like them rocky biter dogs. gorgeous. :)

[ABK]

i really like them rocky biter dogs. gorgeous. :)I heard a lot of Rocky Biter dogs are man-eaters. I talked to a guy last week that had one & he was proud as punch about his 65 lb monster man-biter.

There is also a suspicion on the true breeding of Rocky Biter dogs, since they do not act like nor look like most Boudreaux dogs (too big & too HA).

Whether it's true or not I don't know. That's just the word on the street.

[jaystreetsA4]

I heard a lot of Rocky Biter dogs are man-eaters. I talked to a guy last week that had one & he was proud as punch about his 65 lb monster man-biter.

There is also a suspicion on the true breeding of Rocky Biter dogs, since they do not act like nor look like most Boudreaux dogs (too big & too HA).well damn lol i never seen one upclose down from rocky biter only on peds. pretty dogs but if thats how they are nevermind lol love threads like this.

[ABK]

well damn lol i never seen one upclose down from rocky biter only on peds. pretty dogs but if thats how they are nevermind lol love threads like this.Yea, I was thinking of getting a Rocky Biter dog myself a couple of years ago, but a buddy of mine told me to pass b/c it would get way to big for what I preferred.

Then I talked to this guy last week & he told me Rocky Biter dogs are known for their aggressiveness & told me that a stranger couldn't even lay a hand on his Rocky Biter dog, even if he (the owner) was standing right there. :(

He was the one who told me that a lot of Boudreaux fanciers are beginning to question the Rocky Biter peds b/c a lot of the dogs off that line are coming out too big & too HA.

[jaystreetsA4]

ouch :( name fits at least.

[ABK]

ouch :( name fits at least.
Yea, well ... what really made me sad was how proud this guy was of his dog's HA. I told him our dogs were not supposed to be like that, but he wouldn't hear it. He told me his dog even tries to go after kids.

[jaystreetsA4]

:mad:ugh. take it out back...

[5men]

alright i talk to the lady from www.whiteoakbiterkennels.com (http://www.whiteoakbiterkennels.com/) she told my dog will be medium height because mother and father are medium height .

how tall is that the puppy he is 7 month
you know what i measure him and he is 21

does anybody know how tall he will be or thats it he is not growing anymore

[ABK]

5men: If your pup is 21 in. @ 7 mos. he will probably mature out around 25 in. tall, depending on his genetics & what you feed.

jaystreet: I agree ... but he thought that dog was the best thing since sliced bread. I bet he won't once it gets loose, mauls a kid & he gets his a.. sued off.

[5men]

well ABX
what you think he he growing still in height or not

[ABK]

well ABX what you think he he growing still in height or notYES. HE IS STILL GROWING.

Don't you think you should have gotten this info BEFORE you bought? I'm sure Kay can tell you exactly how big he will get. Just ask her.

[Old Timer]

I heard a lot of Rocky Biter dogs are man-eaters. I talked to a guy last week that had one & he was proud as punch about his 65 lb monster man-biter.

There is also a suspicion on the true breeding of Rocky Biter dogs, since they do not act like nor look like most Boudreaux dogs (too big & too HA).

Whether it's true or not I don't know. That's just the word on the street.yeah that has been a suspicion for quite a while.i myself don't think they are boudreaux dogs for the fact that they are so human aggressive,and look so diffrent.so myself i don't class them as any form of Boudreaux dog,i think they were trying to cash in on a name and try and make it like a throw off bloodlind like eli and such.but now onto the original posters question if the dogs is a well bred boudreaux dog you can expect about 16-18 inches give or take a couple.like was already said really hard to tell untill it is all finshed with.

[ABK]

You know Old Timer it's odd you say that b/c I was told a couple years ago that a very famous dogman (whom I shan't name here) thought the same thing.

[purplepig]

Well, I run in small circles, but I have a male dog that is tight bred nigerino on the bottom and Black Biter on top. He is mayby 15 or 16" tall and weighs about 38#'s. What does he look like? well, his picture is in my sig pic. Is he ha? Not one bit. He is the most humanly docile animal on the property. What does he think about other dogs? He loves them! Loves the taste of them I mean. That is how he acts, cause all he wants another dog for is a chew toy!
So, you hear all kinds. and it could well be that someone hung papers on one of them offsprings, but that should not slam the whole line should it? Some folks hear, and some experience. And I am just telling you what I live with, not hear say.

"Edit"
And if the dog was no good, dont think I would be still feeding it. I do believe in cur medication.

[Old Timer]

You know Old Timer it's odd you say that b/c I was told a couple years ago that a very famous dogman (whom I shan't name here) thought the same thing.i think i know who your meaning.did he also run Boudreaux dogs?

[5men]

does any body know when a puppy stop growing

[ABK]

i think i know who your meaning.did he also run Boudreaux dogs?Yes, he did. He knew all the greats. ;)

[Old Timer]

does any body know when a puppy stop growingby 6 months they are usually at their full height then they just fill out.meaning they start growing muscle and getting their adult features.and this can take up to 2 years of age.

[Old Timer]

Yes he did. ;)yep then it is who i figured.

[ABK]

pig - I once had a double bred granddaughter of Watchdog's Blu Glory who was game to the bone. So does this make all WD dogs game dogs? Not by a long shot.

I'm glad your male is working out for you & I wish you all the best. But sadly I have heard nothing but bad things about WOB stuff from jump street & the more I hear, the worse it is. That's bad too b/c I really like Kay.

(BTW, as for it being hearsay I am hearing it direct from the owners of these dogs, so it's not like it's "telephone" info or anything.)

[Brothermarree]

Yea, well ... what really made me sad was how proud this guy was of his dog's HA. I told him our dogs were not supposed to be like that, but he wouldn't hear it. He told me his dog even tries to go after kids.Man that is sad. Whether u like a certain line or not I think we all can agree HA is a BIG NO NO!!!!!!!

[5men]

them thats it my puppy is not getting any taller them.

[5men]

old timer whats medium height how is that

[Old Timer]

old timer whats medium height how is thati don't think i understand your question.

[ABK]

i don't think i understand your question.
I think he wants to know what the weight & height of his dog will be. WOB told him it would be a "medium" sized dog b/c both parents were medium sized.

[5men]

im sorry im at work and im sneaking in ?
a b k explain it better
i would like to know how tall is a medium height in a boudreaux dog , is it 21 in

[Old Timer]

im sorry im at work and im sneaking in ?
a b k explain it better
i would like to know how tall is a medium height in a boudreaux dog , is it 21 inwell myself i would class a medium sized gamedog anywhere from 35-45 pounds.with anything under 35 being on the smaller side and anything over 45 being on the larger side.but thats just the way i figure.a lot of folks class a 35 pound dog to be a small dog and 45 to be medium.since it is from Boudreaux lines and i am taking you at your word here i wouldn't expect it to go really any larger than 55 or 60 pounds and i highly doubt it will make it to 60.as a rule they run anywhere from 45-55 pounds and thats normal.height wise thats a diffrent story some can be shorter and some can be more leggy but a safe bet would be anywhere from 16-21 inches depending on the dog.i know it is hard and you want to get a mental picture of what your dog is going to look like as a adult,i know i have been there.you can't wait to take it out for a walk and have it turn some heads and get compliments nothing will make you feel more proud than when someone says hey thats a great looking dog or something like that.but you will just have to sit tight and give it time to grow cherish the puppy stages just as you would the child stages in your kids.feed it good,treat it right,keep it clean as well as the space she calls home,and when the time comes excersice her good and you will have no problems.

[JC-Pitbulls]

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/4/0/Princess11-5-05side_thumb.jpg (http://game-dog.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=7468&c=3&userid=740) Princess is only 28 lbs @2.5 yrs old, I have a few more that are different sizes http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=214650

Ginsu is bigger than that @ 9mos http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=197403

Neither one shows signs of HA, but every line has man biters

[ABK]

Yes, there are good & bad in every line. This is true. But I would not say every line has 65 lb HA man-biters who pop their chains trying to attack a kid.

Also, as a side note, all of the great dogs being posted that the owners are so satisfied with are WOB crosses. None of the dogs thus far are pure, direct off WOB's yard.

Now just to clarify, I am not saying all WOB dogs are bad & I think Kay is a super nice person. I am just saying there are "blurbs" in the line. A lot of ppl like to gloss over little quirks in lines, but I will tell the truth so far as I know it & I know that there are suspcions on their peds being correct as well as a higher % of large, HA dogs coming from that line.

[purplepig]

Yes, there are good & bad in every line. This is true. But I would not say every line has 65 lb HA man-biters who pop their chains trying to attack a kid.

Also, as a side note, all of the great dogs being posted that the owners are so satisfied with are WOB crosses. None of the dogs thus far are pure, direct off WOB's yard.

Now just to clarify, I am not saying all WOB dogs are bad & I think Kay is a super nice person. I am just saying there are "blurbs" in the line. A lot of ppl like to gloss over little quirks in lines, but I will tell the truth so far as I know it & I know that there are suspcions on their peds being correct as well as a higher % of large, HA dogs coming from that line.
I personally dont know them, have never done business with them.
I think is is wrong for you to begin to speak about another yard without them being present to defend themselves, and thought it was a policy here not to be so CS as to run your mouth against another person/kennel without allowing them the opportunity to defend themselves!

[ABK]

Actually the rule is no kennel bashing. I am not bashing anyone. I am just telling the truth. Big difference.

And the truth is man-biters run in the line. The accuracy of the pedigrees is suspect by some ppl. You might call it bashing, but it is the sad, bad truth. Read over Old Timer's posts. What I said is nothing new & they are the facts. People DO own man-biters off this line. People DO suspect the correctness of the pedigrees. That's not bashing, that's just the truth.

If I were bashing them I'd say WOB dogs suck, WOB as people suck, anything associated w/ WOB sucks, etc. etc. etc.

But I didn't.

Along w/ the fact that I said there are biters in the line & ppl suspect the peds I also said quite clearly that there are good & bad in every line & made it quite clear (so i thought) that I have nothing against WOB & think Kay is a wonderful person.

I have even openly said I was even going to buy a WOB dog at one time, so I have nothing against them. I know Kay have nothing but good things to say about her. But I will still call a spade a spade & if that is bad, so be it.

Heck, I bet if this were another line we wouldn't even be having this convo. If I would have said "Chows have a higher % of biters in the breed" (which is true) you'd probably be agreeing w/ me all the way & downing Chows. But since you have a dog in this fight, truth goes by the wayside & all of a sudden I'm "bashing." :(

[Old Timer]

Actually the rule is no kennel bashing. I am not bashing anyone. I am just telling the truth. Big difference.

And the truth is man-biters run in the line. The accuracy of the pedigrees is suspect by some ppl. You might call it bashing, but it is the sad, bad truth. Read over Old Timer's posts. What I said is nothing new & they are the facts. People DO own man-biters off this line. People DO suspect the correctness of the pedigrees. That's not bashing, that's just the truth.

If I were bashing them I'd say WOB dogs suck, WOB as people suck, anything associated w/ WOB sucks, etc. etc. etc.

But I didn't.

Along w/ the fact that I said there are biters in the line & ppl suspect the peds I also said quite clearly that there are good & bad in every line & made it quite clear (so i thought) that I have nothing against WOB & think Kay is a wonderful person.

I have even openly said I was even going to buy a WOB dog at one time, so I have nothing against them. I know Kay have nothing but good things to say about her. But I will still call a spade a spade & if that is bad, so be it.

Heck, I bet if this were another line we wouldn't even be having this convo. If I would have said "Chows have a higher % of biters in the breed" (which is true) you'd probably be agreeing w/ me all the way & downing Chows. But since you have a dog in this fight, truth goes by the wayside & all of a sudden I'm "bashing." :(i am going to stand behind you on this.purple pig there was no bashing going on that i could see.she stated facts that are known by most especialy those involved with the Boudreaux line.not all but most.and i have no problems saying i doubt the lienage of the dogs based on the temperment,size diffrence and just over all appearance.and most others feel the same way that have seen the 2 with their own eyes.if i was to bring one of my dogs and another person bring a typical of the other line,you would see how drastic the diffrences are in temperment,size,how they are put together,colors and just the general appearance it really would suprise you and you would think how in the world can these be of the same stock of dogs.like i said i think they picked a name wich happened to be one of the most reveared lines in these dogs and tried to make it like a throw off line like eli.but thats just my feelings.

[jadedpitgirl]

does any body know when a puppy stop growingLook, I suggest you use the search option on this website. It is very freakin' useful. Maybe, after you have done some research, you will have the answer to your questions. As far growth, a pup will stop growing when he's done.:rolleyes:

[purplepig]

But since you have a dog in this fight, truth goes by the wayside & all of a sudden I'm "bashing." :(
So you are acusing me of lieing? You should know better than that. Apparantly you must have some issue with them for you to begin to sling mud at me. Everytime they are brought up, you are always the one slinging mud. I wonder what is really going on. Oh well, never know, and I have gotton off topic,
I appaulagize to the forum for that. If you have any more accusations to make towards me, why not pm me like a mature person.

[ABK]

No, I have no issue w/ them at all. Again, I am just telling the truth.

I look at it like this - if someone said to you "Hey, that ABK is a gorgous supermodel" & you replied "You got your wires crossed bud, she is a short, fat, redneck chick" I would NOT consider that bashing b/c you were telling the truth. I hate being called a redneck & I hate being called fat, but I AM both of those things, so if you use them to describe me I cannot get angry, b/c it is the truth.

The fact is, while you might not like it (b/c your dogs have that blood in them) the stuff I say is TRUE. I am not "bashing" anyone. Sometimes the truth is ugly & sometimes the truth is hard to swallow, but it doesn't make it any less the truth.

And as for you thinking I am calling you a liar, I have never called you a liar. I just think we have different POVs. You call it mud-slinging & bashing, I call it telling the truth (which it is).

The fact is if were were talking about Whopper dogs & I said something negative (but true) about them, you'd be right in there agreeing w/ me or at the very least not saying anything at all. But since the blood I spoke of is on your yard - ahhhhh that changes things! Now all of a sudden I'm a mud slinger & basher.

Funny how that works. If it's not on your yard any one can bring up all the little blurbs a line might have. But if it's on your yard, no one better speak ill of it (even if they are telling the truth!) b/c that line will suddenly have no faults at all & be the best thing since sliced bread! I think they have a name for that. If I recall, it's called kennel blindness ...

(P.S. - Before you get your knickers in a wad, I am using the word "you" in a general term. I did not mean "you" personally.)

(P.S.S. - You might want to look at your own monitor before accusing someone of calling you a name. I believe you started out calling me a basher, then stepped it up to mud slinger & lastly you accuse me of being immature. All the while I haven't called you one single name. That doesn't sound too mature in itself to me.)

[purplepig]

(P.S.S. - You might want to look at your own monitor before accusing someone of calling you a name. I believe you started out calling me a basher, then stepped it up to mud slinger & lastly you accuse me of being immature. All the while I haven't called you one single name. That doesn't sound too mature in itself to me.)Please show me a quote where I called you a "basher". An you did say this,"But since you have a dog in this fight, truth goes by the wayside ", would you not call a person who lets "truth go by the wayside" a liar? Then you begin to attack my yard, when you aint got a clue as to what goes on over here. I am sorry for your loss, but slamming a yard, and someone else who simply says, "the person your talking about should be allowed to defend themselves" says allot about your character.
Please, if you have anything else to say to me pm, otherwise, I will not respond to your ranting anylonger on this, or any other thread. Like I said, I could say a whole lot, but will not.
And as to the thing about dogs on my yard. Before I say anything about a line, I get one, PERSONALLY, maybe two or three, and see what they are like, BEFORE I would put it down. Because of this, I have had MANY that I have culled. I will be quiet now, as I am wanting to say some things that wouldn't be conducive to this forum.

[ABK]

Please show me a quote where I called you a "basher".

And please show me where I called you a liar. ;)

An you did say this,"But since you have a dog in this fight, truth goes by the wayside "

Yes, I did say that. And it is true. Truth often does go by the wayside when one had a "dog in the fight." Those who have a vested interest in a circumstance often have a biased opinion. In this particular case, your dogs have WOB in their peds so you would logically not want to hear anything negative about any WOB dogs.

would you not call a person who lets "truth go by the wayside" a liar?

Not if they didn't tell a lie. But I do think you are in denial. But I do not think it is anything personal. I just think it is b/c you have a vested interest in the subject at hand.

Then you begin to attack my yard

To my knowledge I never said anything about your yard. Where are you getting this?? :confused:

I never said your dogs were good, bad or indifferent b/c I do not know any thing about your dogs. The only thing I said concerning your dogs was that your opinion on the matter may be biased b/c you have WOB in your dogs' peds & thus could have a vested interest in WOB dogs looking the best they can. I think this is called a "conflict of interests." But I never addressed your dogs specifically in any way.

I am sorry for your loss,

You are confusing me further. What loss? :confused:

but slamming a yard, and someone else who simply says, "the person your talking about should be allowed to defend themselves" says allot about your character.

Yes, it says I speak the truth regardless of the circumstance. I like you & I like Kay & I have nothing against either of you. But I will still speak the truth on a matter.

Please, if you have anything else to say to me pm, otherwise, I will not
respond to your ranting anylonger on this, or any other thread.

I am not ranting my friend. Every post I have composed quietly & carefully.

Like I said, I could say a whole lot, but will not.

That is fine. I will try to keep my responses to a minimum as well.

And as to the thing about dogs on my yard ...

Again, no one said anything about the dogs on your yard. :rolleyes:

Before I say anything about a line, I get one, PERSONALLY, maybe two or three, and see what they are like, BEFORE I would put it down.

That is cool. But I myself will trust the word of an experinced dog men as well. For example, I do not have to go out & get hit by a bus to find out it hurts. I will take the word of those who know better! ;)

And again, I would like to take the time to stress there are good & bad in every line & not all WOB dogs are bad (you seem to overlook the fact I said that about WOB dogs several times). But there ARE little quirks in the WOB line.

Because of this, I have had MANY that I have culled.

I believe that. I get the impression you are very hard on your dogs & are a good dog man.

I will be quiet now, as I am wanting to say some things that wouldn't be conducive to this forum.

That is fine. I also have a whole lot more on my mind I could share, but will not. I sent you a PM so way we can let ths thread get back on track.

[tom9783]

Well i'm gonna jump in here. just to clear up some stuff, not to start an argument. I've known floyd since i was 12 and i'm 44 my dad knew him from as far back as you can imagine. His dogs can be different sizes, shapes and colors i have never seen a blue ever in his line. somebody selling you a bill of goods. as far as size i've seen them go big he just culled them out was all. those were crosses he had made. as far as man biters thats in all pit gene anybody thinks other wise is misinformed to say the least. Look at some of the greatest pitdogs in history. Zebo, homer, chinaman,bullyson,banjo, the list goes on and on all known manbiters. Ask hammond about the dog he has tied up by his back fence to keep out dog thiefs, tudor had a dog he kept liquior under it's dog house to keep the feds from finding it. a manbiter a bad one. Do your history folks these dogs are not for everyone. Don't buy a pit dog for a house pet these are not collies. Think folks, and if you think that lovable little porch pit you have won't bite someone think again thats a false sence of sercurity. yis Tom...

[miakoda]

Don't buy a pit dog for a house pet these are not collies. You're right. But history also shows a side of pit dogs playing with the owner's children, lying in bed with children & being an allover dog. These dogs aren't Dobermans either.

However, we're glad to have you here as our obvious love & respect for Mr. B. is mutual. :)

My 2 dogs from Mr. B. are 32lbs & 38lbs respectively (Cocoa being smaller while PawPaw is larger) & neither are over 16 inch.

[ABK]

i have never seen a blue ever in his line. somebody selling you a bill of goods.
That's messed up you calling Rook a paper hanger. I have heard nothing but good things about him.

Also, I know a gentleman who mentored under Mr. B & I was told Mr. B's dogs DO come in all colors, to include blue, although it is rare.

[5men]

i have a puppy from floyd line and he is great with my niece and nephew

maybe
socialize
is the key

[tom9783]

That's messed up you calling Rook a paper hanger. I have heard nothing but good things about him.

Also, I know a gentleman who mentored under Mr. B & I was told Mr. B's dogs DO come in all colors, to include blue, although it is rare. First i did not have floyd as a (mentor) and if you find a dog that is blue it did not come off floyds yard. somebody bred blue into his bloodline and then claimed it was a from floyds yard. If you don't believe me call him he'll tell you. lots of folks like to say they bought dogs from floyd most lie and get the dogs from someone else who breeds indiscrimantly to all sorts of outcrossed stuff to put it mildly. i lived close to floyd for over ten years. I've never seen blue dogs in any of his litters so whoever told you that is full of it. yis tom

[ABK]

This gentleman also only lives a short distance from Mr. B & is close to him personally. Last time I was there, he & Mr. B spoke on an almost daily basis. He has probably been in the dogs longer than you have been alive & is a good & honest dog man that has no reason to lie.

The fact is, any bloodline that has black & dilute in it can throw blue. Blue is not a color, nor is there any "blue gene." Instead, blue is the result of a gene called "dilute" acting on a BLACK coat. If dilute acts on red, the dog will be red/rednosed. If dilute acts on black, the dog will be blue.

Dilute was introduced into the Boudreaux bloodline through his outcrosses to the Red Devil blood & what w/ his line now being heavily bred black, the fact that a blue could pop up is easily conceivable.

Now, from what I understand, they did not come up in that line very often, maybe 1 in every 500 pups (or 500 litters? I can't remember which), but from what I was told, they DID occur, albeit rarely.

[tom9783]

You're right. But history also shows a side of pit dogs playing with the owner's children, lying in bed with children & being an allover dog. These dogs aren't Dobermans either.

However, we're glad to have you here as our obvious love & respect for Mr. B. is mutual. :)

My 2 dogs from Mr. B. are 32lbs & 38lbs respectively (Cocoa being smaller while PawPaw is larger) & neither are over 16 inch.I was not saying there not small dogs what i was saying is they come in all sizes. I've had the privlidge to have Thompson's roughneck on my yard for a breeding it was the last dog sold off floyd's yard that dog is 48 pounds at sport weight. and a 2w a very game dog and i would not leave him around kids alone. my point is these dogs can range in size and temperment.

[tom9783]

This gentleman also only lives a short distance from Mr. B & is close to him personally. Last time I was there, he & Mr. B spoke on an almost daily basis. He has probably been in the dogs longer than you have been alive & is a good & honest dog man that has no reason to lie.

The fact is, any bloodline that has black & dilute in it can throw blue. Blue is not a color, nor is there any "blue gene." Instead, blue is the result of a gene called "dilute" acting on a BLACK coat. If dilute acts on red, the dog will be red/rednosed. If dilute acts on black, the dog will be blue.

Dilute was introduced into the Boudreaux bloodline through his outcrosses to the Red Devil blood & what w/ his line now being heavily bred black, the fact that a blue could pop up is easily conceivable.

Now, from what I understand, they did not come up in that line very often, maybe 1 in every 500 pups (or 500 litters? I can't remember which), but from what I was told, they DID occur, albeit rarely.Who is your friend? and him and i will have a long talk about it on the phone. By the way i'm 44 so how old is your friend. thats right your busted. Tom

[Lethalpits]

She's talking about Titan Rook man. He's was a good guy from what I hear and had good dogs. Titan Rook's Ghost was bout from Eppinette Kennels not from Floyd, though. I am not sure whether or not Mr. B claims to never have had blue dogs, but this is one is 90% Boudreaux. I doubt the dilute gene came by the Frisco blood. Maybe thru Hobb's Tuffy and the Bolio stuff but doubt it.

Edit: Oh yea here is the ped. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=93018

[miakoda]

First i did not have floyd as a (mentor) and if you find a dog that is blue it did not come off floyds yard. somebody bred blue into his bloodline and then claimed it was a from floyds yard. If you don't believe me call him he'll tell you. lots of folks like to say they bought dogs from floyd most lie and get the dogs from someone else who breeds indiscrimantly to all sorts of outcrossed stuff to put it mildly. i lived close to floyd for over ten years. I've never seen blue dogs in any of his litters so whoever told you that is full of it. yis tom
If blue is nothing more than a dilution of black (aka gray/grey) then why would it have to be that someone bred blue into the line? And adding 1 blue dog into the mix wouldn't guarantee blue pups by any means.

[Lethalpits]

If blue is nothing more than a dilution of black (aka gray/grey) then why would it have to be that someone bred blue into the line? And adding 1 blue dog into the mix wouldn't guarantee blue pups by any means.
You don't breed 'blue' into the line. It comes from the dillute color 'red/rednose' normally x black coat = dark blue/grey. That is how my game/amstaff cameabout. Now when you start taking a blue coated dog and breeding it with another dilluted color now your just adding color.

[miakoda]

I was not saying there not small dogs what i was saying is they come in all sizes. I've had the privlidge to have Thompson's roughneck on my yard for a breeding it was the last dog sold off floyd's yard that dog is 48 pounds at sport weight. and a 2w a very game dog and i would not leave him around kids alone. my point is these dogs can range in size and temperment.I wasn't aruing with you over size. Where did you come up with that? I gave the size/wt. of my 2 dogs also from Floyd's personal yard to the o.p. That's all.

And I wouldn't ever leave a dog alone with a kid regardless of breed, size, weight, whatever. And I also understand dogs have different temperaments. But IMO it seems you are talking up the ill tempered dogs as to if they are to your like & are more the breed standard than the good tempered ones.

And for personal record, I got the privelage of owning an awesomely bred animal that was owned & worked by someone else before I acquired him. He was a tightly bred Boudreaux dog, a beautiful specimen, & would've enjoyed life in my yard had he not sunk his canines into my upper right thigh. He was shot that same afternoon. And I would do it again in a heartbeat.

[miakoda]

You don't breed 'blue' into the line. It comes from the dillute color 'red/rednose' normally x black coat = dark blue/grey. That is how my game/amstaff cameabout. Now when you start taking a blue coated dog and breeding it with another dilluted color now your just adding color.
No shit. ;) I was just explaining that to Mr. "Some had to have bred blue into the line because no Boudreaux dogs throw blue dogs".

[Old Timer]

Well i'm gonna jump in here. just to clear up some stuff, not to start an argument. I've known floyd since i was 12 and i'm 44 my dad knew him from as far back as you can imagine. His dogs can be different sizes, shapes and colors i have never seen a blue ever in his line. somebody selling you a bill of goods. as far as size i've seen them go big he just culled them out was all. those were crosses he had made. as far as man biters thats in all pit gene anybody thinks other wise is misinformed to say the least. Look at some of the greatest pitdogs in history. Zebo, homer, chinaman,bullyson,banjo, the list goes on and on all known manbiters. Ask hammond about the dog he has tied up by his back fence to keep out dog thiefs, tudor had a dog he kept liquior under it's dog house to keep the feds from finding it. a manbiter a bad one. Do your history folks these dogs are not for everyone. Don't buy a pit dog for a house pet these are not collies. Think folks, and if you think that lovable little porch pit you have won't bite someone think again thats a false sence of sercurity. yis Tom...well first question i have for ya is can you PM me your name so i can verify what you are saying? you are right they can vary in sizes but not to much so if your trying to say a 90 pound dog is a Boudreaux dog your wrong there.the norm is somewhere in the mid 40's lower 50's.now onto blue it is a fact that a blue dog could pop up in this line of dogs just as it could with any other line of dogs.thats just genetics and there is not anything you can do about it.as was already stated it is just a dilute of black so this line runs the same chance as any other of producing a blue dog.now onto manbiters there is cases of man fighters but it is a pretty rare deal and on my yard as is the case with most any good dogman they get the bullet because they are just to much of a liabilty to own.both in everyday life and for the pit.this is a pretty touchy subject with me so i am not going to go much past that i don't belive in them,and if it shows ANY sign on my yard it is shot on the spot,no chances are given.and it is just ridculious for you to say it is a part of their gene to bite humans and that you just deal with it,nothing could be further from the truth.it sounds to me like you got your education from what you see on the news with a comment like that one.but what is a fact is that it is part of the pitbulls gene to not bite humans and in fact they are 100 times less likely to do so.and further more pitdogs are completely safe around children i have had several good dogs in the box who i could completely trust my children around.if i couldn't trust them 100% around people they wouldn't be on my yard.and again that comment you made kind of sounds like something the news folks say.you can not trust a pitbull around children they always bite,a fighting dog is indiscrminate in what it goes after it could be human or animal,pitbulls are not good pets and so on and so forth.if you want my honest opinion i think you are some AR BSL pusher trying to stir up trouble on here and get into a discussion about dogfighting.i guarentee you next 2 questions out of your mouth after you read this post is going to be well whats your name,and what dogs of yours were good fighting dogs.so i will anwser ahead of time.as far as my name everyone already knows that around here and most other places so just ask around,and as far as dogs well thats information i don't think your privy to just yet.

[5men]

oh man dont do that anymore because you are killing the blood line and all you getting is nothing color dont matter in a game dog it never did .
mixing different blood line is not a good idea your losing the dogs characteristic
example like mother like daughter or like father like son .

[ABK]

Mr. Tom - I shan't name the person who I referred to, b/c calling out personal names on this board is against the rules, but I will say his intials are FD. Seeing as you live so close to Mr. B. & he does as well, you may know him. As for his age, I think he is in his 60s, so he has a few years on you. ;)

The fact is, one does not need to get blue to get blue. All you need are black & rednose, both of which are found in the Boudreaux line. In fact, my very 1st litter I had had 5 blue pups in it. Guess what? The sire was black & the bitch was red/blacknosed. But both the male & female carried dilute & since the male was black, I got blue.

And as mentioned by Mia, blue does not guarantee anything either. J. Persinger worked like heck to get blue pups out of his dog Watchdog's Blu Glory & last I spoke to him he said he never did get a blue pup out of her, even though she was blue.

As for Ghost, he was bred by Titan Rook & was sired by Skull & out of a daughter of Skull named Friskull. Rook is very upstanding breeder. Ghost was owned by Eppinette Kennels but Epp has since sold the dog.

[Old Timer]

oh man dont do that anymore because you are killing the blood line and all you getting is nothing color dont matter in a game dog it never did .
mixing different blood line is not a good idea your losing the dogs characteristic
example like mother like daughter or like father like son .well not intirely true.it is not guarenteed that a father is going to produce a son just like him and same with a mother.infact there is no way of knowing if they will produce any gamedogs untill the pups reach a certain age.i understand where your coming from but it is not a good practice to think that they will produce them selfs if you just keep it really tightly bred.and also you do at times need to put some fresh blood in your line,introduce a diffrent dog from the same line of dogs that has a slight outcross or a diffrent line that would compliment your line.infact inbreeding should be left only to those who really know what they are doing with the animals and know their stock inside and out because it has to be damn near close to perfect,because all inbreeding does is it contains and magnifies what is in your line good or bad and it can bring some shit out of their that most folks wouldn't even think was in there.inbreeding is only for very very high quailty stock.and it is a tool that should only be used by someone who really knows what they are doing.

[tom9783]

well first question i have for ya is can you PM me your name so i can verify what you are saying? you are right they can vary in sizes but not to much so if your trying to say a 90 pound dog is a Boudreaux dog your wrong there.the norm is somewhere in the mid 40's lower 50's.now onto blue it is a fact that a blue dog could pop up in this line of dogs just as it could with any other line of dogs.thats just genetics and there is not anything you can do about it.as was already stated it is just a dilute of black so this line runs the same chance as any other of producing a blue dog.now onto manbiters there is cases of man fighters but it is a pretty rare deal and on my yard as is the case with most any good dogman they get the bullet because they are just to much of a liabilty to own.both in everyday life and for the pit.this is a pretty touchy subject with me so i am not going to go much past that i don't belive in them,and if it shows ANY sign on my yard it is shot on the spot,no chances are given.and it is just ridculious for you to say it is a part of their gene to bite humans and that you just deal with it,nothing could be further from the truth.it sounds to me like you got your education from what you see on the news with a comment like that one.but what is a fact is that it is part of the pitbulls gene to not bite humans and in fact they are 100 times less likely to do so.and further more pitdogs are completely safe around children i have had several good dogs in the box who i could completely trust my children around.if i couldn't trust them 100% around people they wouldn't be on my yard.and again that comment you made kind of sounds like something the news folks say.you can not trust a pitbull around children they always bite,a fighting dog is indiscrminate in what it goes after it could be human or animal,pitbulls are not good pets and so on and so forth.if you want my honest opinion i think you are some AR BSL pusher trying to stir up trouble on here and get into a discussion about dogfighting.i guarentee you next 2 questions out of your mouth after you read this post is going to be well whats your name,and what dogs of yours were good fighting dogs.so i will anwser ahead of time.as far as my name everyone already knows that around here and most other places so just ask around,and as far as dogs well thats information i don't think your privy to just yet.I have no interest what ur name is. whoever you are you don't know boudreux blood at all. and have twisted what i said to fit ur own agenda. as far as bsl you seem to know alot about how people do that don't you. like you've done that before huh? and ur dogs who cares. thats all i have to say about that. now you done?

[Michele]

Do your history folks these dogs are not for everyone. Don't buy a pit dog for a house pet these are not collies. Think folks, and if you think that lovable little porch pit you have won't bite someone think again thats a false sence of sercurity. yis Tom...<!-- / message -->Tom9783: LMAOOO....One thing these people here know is their history so please don't insult them. One thing I know is that the apbt is NOT supposed to be HA at all. They were not bred that way. Could it be possible that some of your dogs got some bad blood in them?

And another thing is that plenty of people own this breed as a house pet without incident.

I have no interest what ur name is. whoever you are you don't know boudreux blood at all. and have twisted what i said to fit ur own agenda. as far as bsl you seem to know alot about how people do that don't you. like you've done that before huh? and ur dogs who cares. thats all i have to say about that. now you done? And I have to agree with OldTimer regarding BSL....

[tom9783]

Tom9783: LMAOOO....One thing these people here know is their history so please don't insult them. One thing I know is that the apbt is NOT supposed to be HA at all. They were not bred that way. Could it be possible that some of your dogs got some bad blood in them?

And another thing is that plenty of people own this breed as a house pet without incident.

And I have to agree with OldTimer regarding BSL....again let me clear this up. My point was they come in all sizes and colors, blue they do not ask floyd and i was talking about his yard. not anyone elses. the conversation got turned around. as far as man aggressive i said they have the gene in them for that. breed specific legislation. and if they knew the history they would know that. now i'm lmao @ you

[Michele]

as far as man aggressive i said they have the gene in them for that. breed specific legislation. and if they knew the history they would know that. now i'm lmao @ you<!-- / message --> They are bred for game, not HA. Some can be HA, but any dog can have HA. They are bred to excel in any task put before them and not quit. If your dog is HA, being an apbt, then there's a bad gene in there. If i'm not explaining this right, someone just tell me. Thanks.

and please step down from your pedestal and stop throwing out names.

[BoiBoi]

again let me clear this up. My point was they come in all sizes and colors, blue they do not ask floyd and i was talking about his yard. not anyone elses. the conversation got turned around. as far as man aggressive i said they have the gene in them for that. breed specific legislation. and if they knew the history they would know that. now i'm lmao @ you
im sorry but ur contradicting everything that was ever said about this breed of dog, this breed was originally bred for the pit and they needed to be HA free because they had to be handled in the pit while injured and not lay a fang on their handler. The dogs that did bite their handlers where for the most part eliminated from the gene pool, now after decades of selective breeding to eliminate the human aggression ur gonna come here and tell us all that its a lie, are u serious or is this a spoof, these dogs should be trusted around any human young or old and if they weren't then they were taking a dirt nap swiftly. Now maybe the dogs that u know of are a product of poor breeding practices or what not but im pretty positive that for the most part a well bred apbt will not be human aggressive at all

[BoiBoi]

oh and maybe u should do some research because it has been scientifically proven that any breeding can produce a blue dog as long as the parents carry the certain gene, so say what u want but a blue dog can and will pop up from time to time with a non-blue breeding, i think u need to fall back and realize that ur not the only one that knows somethin bout somethin

YIS
BP

[ABK]

Guys, we should let this one go. It is obvious this fellow doesn't know what he is talking about.

[purplepig]

Look at some of the greatest pitdogs in history. Zebo, homer, chinaman,bullyson,banjo, the list goes on and on all known manbiters. Ask hammond about the dog he has tied up by his back fence to keep out dog thiefs, tudor had a dog he kept liquior under it's dog house to keep the feds from finding it. a manbiter a bad one.
This is true. Anyone who says this statement is not true, is in denial. Also what is true is that the dogs who are/where manbiters is a very small percentage, the majority of them not being that way, but they do show up. Many of the dogs mentioned abover showed so much promise in the [] that the owners/breeders did not put a bullet in their heads for the hope of having one of the greats. Many of the dogs we all have today would be different if they would have ate lead.

Also, I see a difference in a dog being HA and a dog that would bite someone chopping their owners head off. Maybe you all dont, I dont know. Would I cull a dog who bit someone who attacked my children? No. Would I cull a dog who even acted like it would bite my kids or me? Yes, in a heartbeat. That trait, and a dog who is HA is something I eliminate from the cycle. By HA what I mean is that noone can put their hands on the dog. As a boy I had a cocker spaniel that was HA and the dog would bite the hand that fed him, literally. As to people gona call FB, leave him alone. He dont need to be pulled into this bs kinda stuff. Those who know, know. Those who dont, want to go on believing they are right, and will pull anything out of their rearend to prove they are.

[miakoda]

again let me clear this up. My point was they come in all sizes and colors, blue they do not ask floyd and i was talking about his yard. not anyone elses. the conversation got turned around. as far as man aggressive i said they have the gene in them for that. breed specific legislation. and if they knew the history they would know that. now i'm lmao @ you
Do they also carry the gene to meow instead of bark?

To put it plainly as it has already been: the size of a puppy is genetically predertimined by his parents & grandparents provided it doesn't suffer nutritional deficiencies or a gene mutation such as one resulting in dwarfism.

I'm done with this conversation. I'm with ABK here.

[TENNESSEE]

There are plenty of dogs that will bite that will focus when the job is being done...The way you people talk, you would cull a dog even if it was the best you ever seen if it bit someone...Let me tell you something...you can sit her and preach all you want, if I had a great dog but he bit people but focused when it counted...so be it...and yeah id breed the hell out of him...someones gonna say blah, blah, blah why would you put dogs like that out there...well cause they will stay on MY yard and for ME to use...The name of the game isnt gameness...I cull manbiters....I do this....so and and soforth...The name of the game is WINNING...It is what it is...

P.S. this is to everyone no one in general...

[Old Timer]

There are plenty of dogs that will bite that will focus when the job is being done...The way you people talk, you would cull a dog even if it was the best you ever seen if it bit someone...Let me tell you something...you can sit her and preach all you want, if I had a great dog but he bit people but focused when it counted...so be it...and yeah id breed the hell out of him...someones gonna say blah, blah, blah why would you put dogs like that out there...well cause they will stay on MY yard and for ME to use...The name of the game isnt gameness...I cull manbiters....I do this....so and and soforth...The name of the game is WINNING...It is what it is...

P.S. this is to everyone no one in general...well let me tell you something.i had a dog that would have been a damn fine pit dog,he showed great promise during his test and would have been a great asset to anyones yard on that basis.well he made a dart a one of my best friends calf i went inside got my 22 pistol and put 2 shots right in his head.so for you to go on about how no one would do this.well let me tell you i practice what i preach and i never tell anyone to do something unless i have done it myself.bottom line is if you have a manfighter on your yard and don't cull it or try to make excuses as to why it should exsist you are no asset to the breed in my opinion.

[miakoda]

I culled my dog when it bit me for doing nothing more than shushing it while out messing with the dogs. I don't give a shit what that dog's record was, it put me in the hospital for 3 days as I was pregnant at the time. Screw that.

You play by your rules, I'll play by mine.

[Old Timer]

I have no interest what ur name is. whoever you are you don't know boudreux blood at all. and have twisted what i said to fit ur own agenda. as far as bsl you seem to know alot about how people do that don't you. like you've done that before huh? and ur dogs who cares. thats all i have to say about that. now you done?hmmm,i don't know Boudreaux blood at all.well first let me explain something to you i have been involved with this breed on and off for most all of my life,but i have been raising these dogs and such for 69 years,with about 25 of them being with the Boudreaux line exclusivley infact if we want to really get technical i was co owning dogs with Floyd while he was getting started,and we gave each other advice on certain things and remain very close friends to this very day.so if your going to be sitting here telling me i don't know anything about the Boudreax line,Floyd himself or these dogs in general you are in for a big surprise.you are not talking to some internet punk here buddy you are talking to a dogman and one that doesn't really watch what he says and has a bad temper when he gets going.so if you want to talk dogs we can talk all day long,if you want to put the knowledge to the test i am ready and waiting.i twisted no words at all to fit my agenda but with what you have just posted it seems that you are trying to change the subject around to take some of the stink off yourself by saying oh you know so much about BSL you must be pushing it.damn right i know a lot about BSL because i am out there day in and day out fighting against it.sending money to help fight it,donating my time,signing petitions,appearing before courts and judges and councils to give my expert opinions on the breed and the true nature of it.you have stated every single thing that BSL pushers state to try and get their twisted views across and get laws passed.each time you put a word down it amazes me,not by the knowledge but by the sheer stupidity of it.i notice you have still not told me your name so i can vairify who you say you are,hell if your that involved with the breed i more than likely know you myself and if not you i would know your daddy.like i said your a pathetic internet loser trying to feel important and make someone belive you actually know something about this breed you don't know jack shit about these animals except for what you have heard on the news or read in the papers and you prove that everytime your fingers walk across your keyboard.

[Old Timer]

I culled my dog when it bit me for doing nothing more than shushing it while out messing with the dogs. I don't give a shit what that dog's record was, it put me in the hospital for 3 days as I was pregnant at the time. Screw that.

You play by your rules, I'll play by mine.thats the way it should be.dog bites human dog dies.i like your rules Miakodia.

[BoogiemanBlood]

hmmm,i don't know Boudreaux blood at all.well first let me explain something to you i have been involved with this breed on and off for most all of my life,but i have been raising these dogs and such for 69 years,with about 25 of them being with the Boudreaux line exclusivley infact if we want to really get technical i was co owning dogs with Floyd while he was getting started,and we gave each other advice on certain things and remain very close friends to this very day.so if your going to be sitting here telling me i don't know anything about the Boudreax line,Floyd himself or these dogs in general you are in for a big surprise.you are not talking to some internet punk here buddy you are talking to a dogman and one that doesn't really watch what he says and has a bad temper when he gets going.so if you want to talk dogs we can talk all day long,if you want to put the knowledge to the test i am ready and waiting.i twisted no words at all to fit my agenda but with what you have just posted it seems that you are trying to change the subject around to take some of the stink off yourself by saying oh you know so much about BSL you must be pushing it.damn right i know a lot about BSL because i am out there day in and day out fighting against it.sending money to help fight it,donating my time,signing petitions,appearing before courts and judges and councils to give my expert opinions on the breed and the true nature of it.you have stated every single thing that BSL pushers state to try and get their twisted views across and get laws passed.each time you put a word down it amazes me,not by the knowledge but by the sheer stupidity of it.i notice you have still not told me your name so i can vairify who you say you are,hell if your that involved with the breed i more than likely know you myself and if not you i would know your daddy.like i said your a pathetic internet loser trying to feel important and make someone belive you actually know something about this breed you don't know jack shit about these animals except for what you have heard on the news or read in the papers and you prove that everytime your fingers walk across your keyboard.Bravo! Bravo!

;)

[purplepig]

I culled my dog when it bit me for doing nothing more than shushing it while out messing with the dogs. I don't give a shit what that dog's record was, it put me in the hospital for 3 days as I was pregnant at the time. Screw that.

You play by your rules, I'll play by mine.
I'd have done the same thing!!

[SMOKIN HEMI]

hmmm,i don't know Boudreaux blood at all.well first let me explain something to you i have been involved with this breed on and off for most all of my life,but i have been raising these dogs and such for 69 years,with about 25 of them being with the Boudreaux line exclusivley infact if we want to really get technical i was co owning dogs with Floyd while he was getting started,and we gave each other advice on certain things and remain very close friends to this very day.so if your going to be sitting here telling me i don't know anything about the Boudreax line,Floyd himself or these dogs in general you are in for a big surprise.you are not talking to some internet punk here buddy you are talking to a dogman and one that doesn't really watch what he says and has a bad temper when he gets going.so if you want to talk dogs we can talk all day long,if you want to put the knowledge to the test i am ready and waiting.i twisted no words at all to fit my agenda but with what you have just posted it seems that you are trying to change the subject around to take some of the stink off yourself by saying oh you know so much about BSL you must be pushing it.damn right i know a lot about BSL because i am out there day in and day out fighting against it.sending money to help fight it,donating my time,signing petitions,appearing before courts and judges and councils to give my expert opinions on the breed and the true nature of it.you have stated every single thing that BSL pushers state to try and get their twisted views across and get laws passed.each time you put a word down it amazes me,not by the knowledge but by the sheer stupidity of it.i notice you have still not told me your name so i can vairify who you say you are,hell if your that involved with the breed i more than likely know you myself and if not you i would know your daddy.like i said your a pathetic internet loser trying to feel important and make someone belive you actually know something about this breed you don't know jack shit about these animals except for what you have heard on the news or read in the papers and you prove that everytime your fingers walk across your keyboard.

WOW, what a post.....

[chbk]

any dog that goes for kids sould be culled at any costYea, well ... what really made me sad was how proud this guy was of his dog's HA. I told him our dogs were not supposed to be like that, but he wouldn't hear it. He told me his dog even tries to go after kids.

[chbk]

the old timer is good you all should take notes well let me tell you something.i had a dog that would have been a damn fine pit dog,he showed great promise during his test and would have been a great asset to anyones yard on that basis.well he made a dart a one of my best friends calf i went inside got my 22 pistol and put 2 shots right in his head.so for you to go on about how no one would do this.well let me tell you i practice what i preach and i never tell anyone to do something unless i have done it myself.bottom line is if you have a manfighter on your yard and don't cull it or try to make excuses as to why it should exsist you are no asset to the breed in my opinion.

[Suki]

the old timer is good you all should take notes
I agree whole heartedly and strongly suggest people take this advice, as well.

[dogged]

if you have a manfighter on your yard and don't cull it or try to make excuses as to why it should exsist you are no asset to the breed in my opinion.


Great posts, Old Timer.