New rescue...Do you think she was a bait dog?

[ultimatek9]

We just took in Sadiera. She is in rough shape, though I have seen worse. The mother, of one of my shop's customers, was unloading plants out of her car only to come back and find this little girl sitting in her car. They didn't know what to do with her, so they brought her to me. She has apparent "pitbull" in her, but I can't figure her out exactly. She looks like there might be a little shepherd in her, but not alot. My husband pulled up some pictures of "game-breed pitbulls" off the web, and a couple looked quite a bit like her. Some looked even less "pitbull" than her.
I also think that she was either fought a couple of times or used as a bait dog or both. Here are some pictures of her, in which you can see her condition.


She is infested with intestinal parasites. She even threw some up yesterday.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera2.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera10.jpg


She has the tell-tale signs of an embedded collar. The collar had been removed by the time I got her.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierasneck.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierasneck2.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierasneck3.jpg


She has a broken tooth, that looks to be in pretty bad shape.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierateeth.jpg


Her tail appears to have bitten or broken off. The end is jagged, uneven, and bald. She also has several scars on each of her legs, and on her underside.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera.jpg


She is a little shy, but warms up to new people within a couple of minutes.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera9.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera3.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera11.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera4.jpg

Sadiera is only about 17 or 18 inches tall and weighs about 30-35lbs. I believe she is 18mths to 2yrs.
By the way, she HATES all of the other dogs, male/female big/small she hates them all.

Let me know what you guys think.

[jaystreetsA4]

no way to know for sure she was a "bait" dog. i very much doubt it. IMO she definitely looks as if she mightve been neglected ( imbedded chain and all) but she couldve gotten those scars from fighting off other strays or other dogs w.e. she lived at. she is very pretty, take good care of her. :D looks like a shepard mix of some sort.

[miakoda]

Honestly, no.

For the ignorant a-holes that believed the HSUS propoganda about "bait dogs" being used to "train" other dogs & that now follow that absurd "advice", those dogs don't survive.

This dog doesn't seem to have any wounds other than the one from an imbedded collar & the 2-3 tiny scars on her foreleg. She is thin & looks malnourished to me, but that is typical in plain ol' absue cases. And the matter of her teeth breaking and/or falling out most probably is related to poor nutrition through life & the possibility she did some chewing on hard surfaces such as a chain, a dog house, bricks, etc.

Concerning the scars on the legs, I would venture to say that they are just from altercations with another dog over territory, food, etc. especially being a stray at some point in her life.

However, she is a very cute little girl & good luck with her. As for her DA, just please please please find someone who has or has had 'pit bulls' in the past & doesn't punish her for something that many dogs of all different breeds have as a trait.

[Tonka03]

good poat Miakoda!!

[ultimatek9]

Honestly, no.

For the ignorant a-holes that believed the HSUS propoganda about "bait dogs" being used to "train" other dogs & that now follow that absurd "advice", those dogs don't survive.

This dog doesn't seem to have any wounds other than the one from an imbedded collar & the 2-3 tiny scars on her foreleg. She is thin & looks malnourished to me, but that is typical in plain ol' absue cases. And the matter of her teeth breaking and/or falling out most probably is related to poor nutrition through life & the possibility she did some chewing on hard surfaces such as a chain, a dog house, bricks, etc.

Concerning the scars on the legs, I would venture to say that they are just from altercations with another dog over territory, food, etc. especially being a stray at some point in her life.

However, she is a very cute little girl & good luck with her. As for her DA, just please please please find someone who has or has had 'pit bulls' in the past & doesn't punish her for something that many dogs of all different breeds have as a trait.
Thanks for the post.
I am working on teaching Sadiera to ignore the other dogs. She is getting better. She is not "crate fighting" with the APBT/AB in the crate next to her's as much. We put a divider between then, but she still knows the other dog is there. She takes a verbal correction well, and you can normally redirect her attention with a simple touch.
The customer that brought her to me said that Sadiera is food aggressive, but I have not been able to duplicate it. As I handle her when she is eating or has chews, and she actually backs off of the item instead.

[pittychick]

First of all, THANK YOU for giving this girl another chance.

I really don't think this girl was used for fighting or for "baiting". She'd be much more banged up if she survived as a bait dog, and would have more wounds if a fighting dog (the punks that fight their dogs don't care for them like true dogmen would). Like others said the marks on her legs are probably just from other dogs, or really anything...life as a stray is very difficult (brush/metal/etc could leave some bad scars if they get cut up on them).

I'm glad to hear you're working with her. DA is very easy to deal with as long as you work with them. It sucks not being able to have all of the dogs out together, but is easy to work around. With a little bit of TLC, and training she seems like she'll make somebody a great pet!

[Lethalpits]

Good job on helping her out. It doesn't look like she would've have lasted much longer. She does have a brushy coat and a thick bushy tail but I can't really say what she looks like she has in her. Maybe some sort of akita or maybe another short haired terrier. She doesn't look like she was used for any fighting or 'fight training' she just looks badly neglected. I've seen some dogs that were used for those purposes and trust me those dogs are VERY timid and shy and reluctant to approach anything for a while. She was probably just looking for love =)

[Lethalpits]

Dingo!

She looks like she has some of that dingo in her or those dogs that look like dingos, forgot what they are called.

[realonebulldog]

Honestly, no.

For the ignorant a-holes that believed the HSUS propoganda about "bait dogs" being used to "train" other dogs & that now follow that absurd "advice", those dogs don't survive.

This dog doesn't seem to have any wounds other than the one from an imbedded collar & the 2-3 tiny scars on her foreleg. She is thin & looks malnourished to me, but that is typical in plain ol' absue cases. And the matter of her teeth breaking and/or falling out most probably is related to poor nutrition through life & the possibility she did some chewing on hard surfaces such as a chain, a dog house, bricks, etc.

Concerning the scars on the legs, I would venture to say that they are just from altercations with another dog over territory, food, etc. especially being a stray at some point in her life.

However, she is a very cute little girl & good luck with her. As for her DA, just please please please find someone who has or has had 'pit bulls' in the past & doesn't punish her for something that many dogs of all different breeds have as a trait.Have to agree. I think they has few scars. Look at my dogs and they are with certainty none bait-dogs. After one single real fight with a badger every dog has much more scars than your very healthy bitch. Do not believe any dung to you is dished up ... bait dog ... lol . She is a nice bitch...^^

[realonebulldog]

Have to agree. I think they has few scars. Look at my dogs and they are with certainty none bait-dogs. After one single real fight with a badger every dog has much more scars than your very healthy bitch. Do not believe any dung to you is dished up ... bait dog ... lol . She is a nice bitch...^^ She looks like a good dash GSD -blood....

[14rock]

What a ridiculous assumption, based on propaganda and fear. Of course, all rescuers seem to like these "coulda been, mighta been, must of been!" cases to make themselves feel more rewarded for taking a dog in. If she was a "bait dog" she would look a whole hell of a lot worse then that. Embedded collar and skinny, yup. A few very minor scars on her legs, sure does. The dog was a stray, who knows what kind of life it had before getting loose, or where those injuries come from! Good for you for rescuing it, but we can all do without the sob story, because it is extremely unfounded and almost gauranteed false.

[simms]

We just took in Sadiera. She is in rough shape, though I have seen worse. The mother, of one of my shop's customers, was unloading plants out of her car only to come back and find this little girl sitting in her car. They didn't know what to do with her, so they brought her to me. She has apparent "pitbull" in her, but I can't figure her out exactly. She looks like there might be a little shepherd in her, but not alot. My husband pulled up some pictures of "game-breed pitbulls" off the web, and a couple looked quite a bit like her. Some looked even less "pitbull" than her.
I also think that she was either fought a couple of times or used as a bait dog or both. Here are some pictures of her, in which you can see her condition.


She is infested with intestinal parasites. She even threw some up yesterday.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera2.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera10.jpg


She has the tell-tale signs of an embedded collar. The collar had been removed by the time I got her.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierasneck.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierasneck2.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierasneck3.jpg


She has a broken tooth, that looks to be in pretty bad shape.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadierateeth.jpg


Her tail appears to have bitten or broken off. The end is jagged, uneven, and bald. She also has several scars on each of her legs, and on her underside.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera.jpg


She is a little shy, but warms up to new people within a couple of minutes.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera9.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera3.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera11.jpg http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q230/ultimatek9/sadiera4.jpg

Sadiera is only about 17 or 18 inches tall and weighs about 30-35lbs. I believe she is 18mths to 2yrs.
By the way, she HATES all of the other dogs, male/female big/small she hates them all.

Let me know what you guys think.

Overall that dog looks to be in good physical shape. She does need the appropriate worming though.

some dog's dont want nor do they need canine friends!

[ABK]

Very cute dog! And I agree, she does not appear to have been used as a bait dog. I'm sure there would be much more scar tissue if she had. As for her DA, that could be coming from her GSD ancestry. I have known of more than one GSD that was DA.

Either way, good luck w/ her! :)

[pittychick]

Dingo!

She looks like she has some of that dingo in her or those dogs that look like dingos, forgot what they are called.
You're talking about Carolina Dog, I'm pretty certain. They're thought to be direct relatives to the dingos and came over here either over the land bridge or with people when they migrated here. They've been feral in the south for some time, and are also now being kept as domestic pets again. My dog Dunkin's mom was a pitbull and father was a carolina dog :)

Carolina Dog:
http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/images/CAROLINA_DOG.jpg

[Suki]

I'm going with a "no" on this , as well. Based on what I can ascertain from the photos, the scars are miinimal and look like the wounds were probably just superficial ones and were easily treated=again, scarring is minimal. Collar, yup, looks like it had been imbedded at one time=neglect imo, not indicative of fighting. Parasites, again indicative of owner neglect and can be treated. Over all, she looks in pretty good shape and kudos for her rescue. But to "assume" that a dog is a bait dog based on a few scars just opens up a heap of unnecessary trouble, and only adds fuel to the fire as far as AR groups go, and God only knows they don't need much to go on, as far as that goes. I'm happy you asked, but please don't think a dog may have been put into a situation meerly based on speculation. Again, I'm going with an 'no' here. I don't think she was used as a bait dog.

[CrazyK9]

Dingo!

She looks like she has some of that dingo in her or those dogs that look like dingos, forgot what they are called.
You're talking about Carolina Dog, I'm pretty certain. They're thought to be direct relatives to the dingos and came over here either over the land bridge or with people when they migrated here. They've been feral in the south for some time, and are also now being kept as domestic pets again. My dog Dunkin's mom was a pitbull and father was a carolina dog :)

Carolina Dog:
http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/images/CAROLINA_DOG.jpg
That is what I think my dog has in her, although it's probably not likely since they are pretty rare. Plus, my dog has spots on her tongue, indicating some Shar Pei (or another breed with the purple tongue trait).

I don't see GSD at all. I do see some pit in there but that doesn't mean much considering pit bull traits are typically dominant and are shared with other breeds. Also, the odds of that dog having any gamebred APBT blood in her is even more rare than my dog having Carolina dog in her, IMO.

Scars are very, very easy to get. My dog probably has the same amount of, if not more, scars as that dog and she is not in any way abused or neglected, trust me. Spoiled brat is sleeping on my bed right now, lol. My foster dog got into it with our neighbors loose bully, who was shorter but heavier than her, and in a few seconds, she was beat up a LOT worse than your rescue so trust me she was never in a serious fight. And if she was a "bait" dog (which by the way I agree with what everyone else said about that idea) she would have scars all over her body (not just on her head, neck, and front legs which means she was fighting back), broken bones... hell, she would probably be dead.

[pittychick]

That is what I think my dog has in her, although it's probably not likely since they are pretty rare.

Depends on where you live, there's more and more of them popping up. Especially in the Carolinas and the surrounding states.

Plus, my dog has spots on her tongue, indicating some Shar Pei (or another breed with the purple tongue trait).

Actually contrary to popular belief, there are tons of dogs that have purple tounges (full or spotted), pure and mixed (without chows/shar pei). I've seen purebred huskies, labs, and goldens (just to name a few).

I think she looks like she has korean jindo in her :)

[CynthiaATL]

Actually contrary to popular belief, there are tons of dogs that have purple tounges (full or spotted), pure and mixed (without chows/shar pei). I've seen purebred huskies, labs, and goldens (just to name a few).

We had a pure bred Rotty come into the hospital today with purple spots on his tounge. I am see it alot. Also some terriers also have it. I hate when people assume it is mixed with Chow/Shar Pei because of that. I also saw a poodle with it. We were joking at work damn it must be mixed with chow.

[pittychick]

Now that I look at her more I think instead of GSD it would probably be mallinois :)

[CrazyK9]

Actually contrary to popular belief, there are tons of dogs that have purple tounges (full or spotted), pure and mixed (without chows/shar pei). I've seen purebred huskies, labs, and goldens (just to name a few).

I think she looks like she has korean jindo in her :)
True, but I know the standard for CD's states that the tongue shouldn't be spotted. Plus, I mentioned Shar Pei because I think that's where she gets the loose skin from... I dunno, I am clueless as to what she is... Carolina dog? Beagle, greyhound, lab, husky, pit bull? I don't think she looks anything like a jindo... but that's just me. :p

Anyway, I'm going to stop hijacking this thread now :o I think I might make my own...

[Turner]

Pretty girl. I dont think she was fought or "baited". Good luck with her!! Let us know how it goes :D

[laurajean]

Thanks for rescuing her. She is a very pretty dog. She will look great after a little TLC.