My female gave birth and killed all her pups

[bigcespits]

Man im feeling very tight.One of my females gave birth to 7 pups.And yesterday I went to a diffrent county to bred on my my males and when I get home my female killed all her pups.I had stuff run in my mind but I did not do it.But Friends say I should.This is the first time she does this.I was wonderin what should I do for this wont happend again.I was thinking of raising them on a bottle.Only reason I like her is cause his 6 yr old and tight bred jeep,red boy,jocko stuff I have a son off her thats a good dog to the back bone.She only been bred 2 times. this is the 2nd time. Any dogman can give me a lil advise on this. Thanks

HERE IS A PIC OF HER PUPS.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/Picture626.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/Picture625.jpg

[lipshipsattitude]

Stop breeding

[bigcespits]

Stop breedingLOL STOP BREEDING.FIRST OFF I DONT BREED ALOT.I DONT BREED TO SELL DOGS I BREED FOR ME.AND IF I WANNA BREED. I WILL.I DID NOT POST THIS THREAD TO GET BASHED ON.IM ASKING DOGMAN WHAT THEY THINK.SO BEFORE U START TELLING ME TO STOP BREEDING ASK BUDDIE K.

[lipshipsattitude]

I didnt mean it like that, I mean thats nature's way of saying she isnt fit to be a mother. How many times has she been bred?

[Roach]

Man I know where you are coming from there with this bitch... I was just in your same boat a couple months ago, the best brood bitch I have ever had killed all by 2 of her pups, sucked for us that is for sure... when was the last time the gyp was bred before this litter? how did she act with the other litter? has she ever shown signs like this before? I really don't know that I can tell you to do anything, just next time, keep a close eye on her and if she acts as if she isn't going to raise them, either bottle raise them, or if you or anyone that you trust has a gyp that is raising pups, try to slide them in on her. I have done that before and it worked out good. We have a gyp that consistantly only has 2 pups, and when we had a gyp that wouldn't raise pups, we slid them in with the gyp with the 2 pups and she raised them up like they were her own, just an idea man... good luck in the future... and don't worry about the bashers, you know as well as I do, if you have been on this board for more than a day now, they will come out when you ask for help and the ignore the question at hand, just to talk out their "fourth point of contact" (airborne) and I really don't know why they do it, if it's to boost themselves, or make them feel better about themselves, I don't know, but I ignore them... later

YIS
Roach

[bigcespits]

I didnt mean it like that, I mean thats nature's way of saying she isnt fit to be a mother. How many times has she been bred?OOOO OK LOL MY BAD. NA THIS IS HER 2ND TIME.HER FIRST LITTER I NOTICE SHE WAS NOT THE BEST OF MOMS LIKE SOME OF MY OTHER PITS BUT I WANTED TO BRED HER ONE MORE TIME AND SHES LUCK SHES HERE STILL.MAYBE NEXT TIME ILL JUST TAKE THE PUPS AWAY.

[realonebulldog]

Man im feeling very tight.One of my females gave birth to 7 pups.And yesterday I went to a diffrent county to bred on my my males and when I get home my female killed all her pups.I had stuff run in my mind but I did not do it.But Friends say I should.This is the first time she does this.I was wonderin what should I do for this wont happend again.I was thinking of raising them on a bottle.Only reason I like her is cause his 6 yr old and tight bred jeep,red boy,jocko stuff I have a son off her thats a good dog to the back bone.She only been bred 2 times. this is the 2nd time. Any dogman can give me a lil advise on this. Thanks

HERE IS A PIC OF HER PUPS.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/Picture626.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/Picture625.jpg The pups on this pics are still alive or? Ok females sometimes do that. No matter wich bred and its in some cases known by wolves. Why? Honestly I dont know what nature wispers them. But another thing is you shouldnt let your female alone if the pups are that fresh. Its a sensible time and you are very important as a helper and watcher.

[bigcespits]

The pups on this pics are still alive or? Ok females sometimes do that. No matter wich bred and its in some cases known by wolves. Why? Honestly I dont know what nature wispers them. But another thing is you shouldnt let your female alone if the pups are that fresh. Its a sensible time and you are very important as a helper and watcher.NA THESES WHERE THE PUPS SHE KILLED.AND WHEN SHE KILLED THEM I WAS NOT HOME.I WAS A 1 1/2 HOUR AWAY BREEDING ONE OF MY MALES.I KNOW IF I WAS HOME THIS WOULD NOT OF HAPPEND CAUSE I WAS ON HER,WATCHING AND ECT..

[Verderben]

LOL STOP BREEDING.FIRST OFF I DONT BREED ALOT.I DONT BREED TO SELL DOGS I BREED FOR ME.AND IF I WANNA BREED. I WILL.I DID NOT POST THIS THREAD TO GET BASHED ON.IM ASKING DOGMAN WHAT THEY THINK.SO BEFORE U START TELLING ME TO STOP BREEDING ASK BUDDIE K.Just ignore her. She doesn't know what she is talking about half the time anyways. When you bred her the first time was she a good mother? Its possible that there was something wrong with the pups you may not have known but its possible your girl did know.

[lipshipsattitude]

Just ignore her. She doesn't know what she is talking about half the time anyways. When you bred her the first time was she a good mother? Its possible that there was something wrong with the pups you may not have known but its possible your girl did know.Wow you've lowered ourself to outright blatant lies because we disagreed in another forum....thats a quality people should look for when seeking advice. Funny that you seem to think you know a lot about me by a couple of pictures and one thread, right on old lady shall I percieve what threads you migth respond to and stay away from them? haha WOW show some respect to this person's thread instead of dragging your issues into it.

[CrazyK9]

Sheesh, take it to PMs :rolleyes:

[JoeFeezy]

You have already stated she is not a good mom. Get a good bitch and breed her. No sense in sentencing puppies to death, over some pups that you could get elsewhere. Not uncommon to have that line so it seems a little risky to me.

[Turner]

I agree with JoeFeezy. looks like she was not meant to be bred.

[lipshipsattitude]

Ok sorry for the rude intrusion but how old is she?

That happens sometimes when a mama is too young to be bred or if they have some mental issues so maybe consider if she is worth breeding.
Also it is nto unheard of for a mom to kill pups if she feels she isnt secure in her whelping area, kinda like survial of the fit type thing.

[BoogiemanBlood]

Wow you've lowered ourself to outright blatant lies because we disagreed in another forum....thats a quality people should look for when seeking advice. Funny that you seem to think you know a lot about me by a couple of pictures and one thread, right on old lady shall I percieve what threads you migth respond to and stay away from them? haha WOW show some respect to this person's thread instead of dragging your issues into it.you mean like you just did instead of doing it in a PM? practice what you preach.

[FearlessKnight]

This is not that abnormal, it doesn't mean that you should breed anymore or that that female should not be bred anymore, it should be a lesson learned with your female, and you should know what to do next time if you do decide to breed her. RIGHT?

[simms]

Depends on the dog for sure and how bad you want that indaviduals particular blood. Next time you can remeber to pull them from her for the short time that your gonna be gone, or get you a searagit (sp?)momma. I cant say that a dog wont repeat this pattern some do some dont.... Good luck!


Got a ped on this dog?

[purplepig]

Ok sorry for the rude intrusion but how old is she?

That happens sometimes when a mama is too young to be bred or if they have some mental issues so maybe consider if she is worth breeding.
Also it is nto unheard of for a mom to kill pups if she feels she isnt secure in her whelping area, kinda like survial of the fit type thing.
Most every question you have asked,was answered in the first couple statements that bigcespits made, he said how many times the bitch has been bred, and the age. If you have no helpful input, why reply?

Bigcespits,

Sometimes a bitch will kill and eat her pups when something is wrong with them, and sometimes a bitch can just get freaked out and kill the litter. I dont diss you for breeding her, nor for leaving for a short period of time. This is part of it, of course things can be avoided.
I would not be scared to breed her again if I felt like the breeding would produce some good ones. Main thing is to watch how she acts. She should have been giving signs that showed what was about to happen, unless something happened and she freaked out. Heck I have had bitches that would kill their pups if you messed with them the first week! I would do like was stated earlier, if bred again and the bitch went to acting wierd, pull the pups and either put with a seragant mother or bottle feed. I have a box for such a case with little partitions that I have heating pads in each one and towels so if necessary in the 1st week of life they will stay warm and cozy, and I will tube feed them at that point. Later I will bottle feed, but until the gag reflex kicks in, tube feeding is the best, IMO.

I am sorry for your loss, and I am sorry that you were jumped on. sux having something you are looking forward to and then they get there and BAM!

[FearlessKnight]

Most every question you have asked,was answered in the first couple statements that bigcespits made, he said how many times the bitch has been bred, and the age. If you have no helpful input, why reply?

Bigcespits,

Sometimes a bitch will kill and eat her pups when something is wrong with them, and sometimes a bitch can just get freaked out and kill the litter. I dont diss you for breeding her, nor for leaving for a short period of time. This is part of it, of course things can be avoided.
I would not be scared to breed her again if I felt like the breeding would produce some good ones. Main thing is to watch how she acts. She should have been giving signs that showed what was about to happen, unless something happened and she freaked out. Heck I have had bitches that would kill their pups if you messed with them the first week! I would do like was stated earlier, if bred again and the bitch went to acting wierd, pull the pups and either put with a seragant mother or bottle feed. I have a box for such a case with little partitions that I have heating pads in each one and towels so if necessary in the 1st week of life they will stay warm and cozy, and I will tube feed them at that point. Later I will bottle feed, but until the gag reflex kicks in, tube feeding is the best, IMO.

I am sorry for your loss, and I am sorry that you were jumped on. sux having something you are looking forward to and then they get there and BAM!Thanks Purplepig ....I was trying to get all of that out....got pissed when I read some of the replies on here.......Rep points to ya!

We had a female that was like as well.....It took us both staying up all night almost every night for a couple of weeks, until she was comfortable with her pups.

[bigcespits]

Thanks alot.For the answers and some questions. I will bred next time and ill just take them from her.Guess next time ill watch for signs.Cause this time i did not see any. Here is one of her sons from the first breeding.

GAMBLE
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/Gamble.jpg

[JoeFeezy]

I would look at investing in a whelping box. That could mean the difference between life and death of your pups also. Cause you never know, she might have just tried to keep them warm.

[Turner]

My apologies if my response sounded rude. I thought I read somewhere that she killed her pups in her first and second breeding.... But seeing as how you posted a pic of one of her sons I guess not lol Sorry :o

[chloesredboy]

we had a disscussion about this type of thing in another thread,and i think the answers were very different!
I am sorry you lost your pups,did she maul them,or did you just find them all dead like they could have been smothered?If she did maul them i would say breeding her again would not be wise.Some dogs just arent good for breeding,my brothers chow tried to kill her first and only litter(she got spayed after)the only reason she didnt is because my brother watched her the whole time untill the pups were old enough to be away from her.I think anyone who has had to raise pups would agree it's really not worth the stress and heartache if it can be avoided.And unless she's the last of her bloodline,i would just count my losses and get her fixed.

[6klub]

damn sorry about your loss, I agree with Joefeezy, welping box might be the way to go.....

[southernlandknl]

Yep purplepig said everything i was thinking.. KUDOS to u..;)
I would NOT take the pups totally from her next breeding \.. i would leave them on her but i would just watch her VERY VERY close!! and maybe have a back up mom ..or bottle feed pups and i would DEFINATELY take the pups away from her when ya leave .. just keep them warm with a heating pad..
Did she kill them by steping on them ?
or did she actually eat them ?
and u said she wasnt a good mom last time ..what did she act like ? did she seem like she would kill pups ?

and that is a BIG ass dog LOL

ya got a ped on the bitch ya bred ??



Thanks alot.For the answers and some questions. I will bred next time and ill just take them from her.Guess next time ill watch for signs.Cause this time i did not see any. Here is one of her sons from the first breeding.

GAMBLE
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/Gamble.jpg

[BoogiemanBlood]

Yep purplepig said everything i was thinking.. KUDOS to u..;)
I would NOT take the pups totally from her next breeding \.. i would leave them on her but i would just watch her VERY VERY close!! and maybe have a back up mom ..or bottle feed pups and i would DEFINATELY take the pups away from her when ya leave .. just keep them warm with a heating pad..
Did she kill them by steping on them ?
or did she actually eat them ?
and u said she wasnt a good mom last time ..what did she act like ? did she seem like she would kill pups ?

and that is a BIG ass dog LOL

ya got a ped on the bitch ya bred ??what diffence does the ped make?

[realonebulldog]

I would look at investing in a whelping box. That could mean the difference between life and death of your pups also. Cause you never know, she might have just tried to keep them warm. The question is HOW did she kill the pups...they look very intakt, just curios...

[Rockstar]

You never mentioned how she killed the pups, and there's probably no way to know for sure if you weren't there when it happened. She may have suffocated them accidently, which is extremely common. A bitch will often eat a pup after it's dead, and sometimes eat it only partially (although it's pretty rare).

[southernlandknl]

it doesnt make no difference... i was askin because they stated in the original post the bitch was Jeep/RBJ ..in which i happen to be fond of those lines..


what diffence does the ped make?

[bigcespits]

She did not eat them I guess she leyed on them.I do have a whipping box.Never haves happend before.None where eaten.As for ped I will I dont have hers I do have her brothers and her sisters ped.Thanks everyone for your guideness and answers and questions.Im thinking of not breeding her.I have her brother and her sister off the same litter mate.Thanks everyone

[Attila]

well that isn't they type of box to have pups in. time to start putting the dates on a calander and counting days then put her up to welp. I think they would be alive today had you put her up in a welping box a few days prior to welping. if she laid on them it was not likely intentional. you have no bedding there to buffer anything looks like hard mud with a few strands of straw. keep those houses clean and the area full of bedding. put your bitch up in the welping cage and pen 3-4 days before the welping date. have a good rail around the box to keep her from smoothering the pups. That doesn't make a bad mother just a poor place to have them. if she chewed their heads off or layed on them intentionally to smother them then yes that is a bad mother. Some are. I cull them. No point in keeping a worthless bitch.

[The Watcher]

that penn looks terrible. prolly would have gotten sick even if she didnt do this. you should have never left her alone.....
I suggest you figure out what you are doing before you try it again. I hope breeding you male (which hopefully wont get kiled) was worth it.

[Attila]

that penn looks terrible. prolly would have gotten sick even if she didnt do this. you should have never left her alone.....
I suggest you figure out what you are doing before you try it again. I hope breeding you male (which hopefully wont get kiled) was worth it.
you got that right! you reckon his dogs are tested for std's? lol not!

[The Watcher]

LOL def NOT! he needs to hang it up. pride comes be4 fall. o yea, he already fell. so whats next?

[bigcespits]

you got that right! you reckon his dogs are tested for std's? lol not!Where I took the pics was in a area where she gave birth at.Thats not where the pups where.I took them from there and put her in her whipping box.Yea this pen looks bad cause she was giving birth.As for my male been tested lol all my dogs are good in health.As I said before I dont breed to sell.When I do bred I breed for me.But thanks for ya answer.

[The Watcher]

thats kind-of backwards dont ya think? you should have let her drop them in a CLEAN SANITARY place and then moved to that pen. well, not that pen, but a pen if need be.
I been sittin here watchin my pups every breath for 7 weeks...
and by the way... Attila said test for STD's (sexually transmitted deseases) not as in "tested".. lol, dur. what you mean "bring urs and you will find out "
find out what? if my gyp gets a rotten cooter after breeding to ur male? HA!
slow your roll. take deep breath and read slower.

[bigcespits]

thats kind-of backwards dont ya think? you should have let her drop them in a CLEAN SANITARY place and then moved to that pen. well, not that pen, but a pen if need be.
I been sittin here watchin my pups every breath for 7 weeks...
and by the way... Attila said test for STD's (sexually transmitted deseases) not as in "tested".. lol, dur. what you mean "bring urs and you will find out "
find out what? if my gyp gets a rotten cooter after breeding to ur male? HA!
slow your roll. take deep breath and read slower.My bad. lol She have birth earlyer then espected a few day ahead of time.I do have a clean area for her but she gave birth in a dark area.so next time i will know,

[The Watcher]

next time (because for some reason I feel there will be a next time)you need to have her and the pups in a warm, well lit & non-drafty place.
a good heat lamp helps and bedding is very important. before she drops pick something that is dust free and that encourages exercise and nesting. after she drops pick something that naturally repells mold, mildew and pest.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/7/2/1/Jackopups3wks.jpg
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/7/2/1/Jackopups7wks.jpg

[Attila]

Where I took the pics was in a area where she gave birth at.Thats not where the pups where.I took them from there and put her in her whipping box.Yea this pen looks bad cause she was giving birth.As for my male been tested lol all you have to do is bring urs and you will find out if his worth to stud.As I said before I dont breed to sell.When I do bred I breed for me.But thanks for ya answer.
LOL. Are you challenging my dogs on an open site?

[The Watcher]

lol, he didnt mean too AM. (least I hope not) he let his nerves get the best of him.

[Attila]

thats kind-of backwards dont ya think? you should have let her drop them in a CLEAN SANITARY place and then moved to that pen. well, not that pen, but a pen if need be.
I been sittin here watchin my pups every breath for 7 weeks...
and by the way... Attila said test for STD's (sexually transmitted deseases) not as in "tested".. lol, dur. what you mean "bring urs and you will find out "
find out what? if my gyp gets a rotten cooter after breeding to ur male? HA!
slow your roll. take deep breath and read slower.Lol shit I just blew grapefruit juice out my nose. a rotten coooter. lol that is perfect.

[Attila]

lol, he didnt mean too AM. (least I hope not) he let his nerves get the best of him.
Yes I hope he was not meaning that one. Geesh that would be a serious error.

[Phebes]

Man I know where you are coming from there with this bitch... I was just in your same boat a couple months ago, the best brood bitch I have ever had killed all by 2 of her pups, sucked for us that is for sure... when was the last time the gyp was bred before this litter? how did she act with the other litter? has she ever shown signs like this before? I really don't know that I can tell you to do anything, just next time, keep a close eye on her and if she acts as if she isn't going to raise them, either bottle raise them, or if you or anyone that you trust has a gyp that is raising pups, try to slide them in on her. I have done that before and it worked out good. We have a gyp that consistantly only has 2 pups, and when we had a gyp that wouldn't raise pups, we slid them in with the gyp with the 2 pups and she raised them up like they were her own, just an idea man... good luck in the future... and don't worry about the bashers, you know as well as I do, if you have been on this board for more than a day now, they will come out when you ask for help and the ignore the question at hand, just to talk out their "fourth point of contact" (airborne) and I really don't know why they do it, if it's to boost themselves, or make them feel better about themselves, I don't know, but I ignore them... later

YIS
Roach
This is just a thought, maybe some poeple on this forum think that there are to many APBTs being bred and killed at shelters.
http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/0002009C.gif (http://www.sweetim.com/defaultie.asp?ref=10)

[MAXIM]

OMg thats so sad!

[bigcespits]

Yes I hope he was not meaning that one. Geesh that would be a serious error.I know this is a pubic fourm.And if you took it as that thats on you.If you wanna pm go ahead ok.

[Michele]

thats kind-of backwards dont ya think? you should have let her drop them in a CLEAN SANITARY place and then moved to that pen. well, not that pen, but a pen if need be.
I been sittin here watchin my pups every breath for 7 weeks...
and by the way... Attila said test for STD's (sexually transmitted deseases) not as in "tested".. lol, dur. what you mean "bring urs and you will find out "
find out what? if my gyp gets a rotten cooter after breeding to ur male? HA!
slow your roll. take deep breath and read slower.
you must spread some reputation........good post

[diva]

find out what? if my gyp gets a rotten cooter after breeding to ur male? HA!
slow your roll. take deep breath and read slower.ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Sorry.....the rotten cooter thing just made me laugh. :D

[realonebulldog]

next time (because for some reason I feel there will be a next time)you need to have her and the pups in a warm, well lit & non-drafty place.
a good heat lamp helps and bedding is very important. before she drops pick something that is dust free and that encourages exercise and nesting. after she drops pick something that naturally repells mold, mildew and pest.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/7/2/1/Jackopups3wks.jpg
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/7/2/1/Jackopups7wks.jpg VERY VERY NICE!! Yes thats A place for Bulldog-Babys.

[Verderben]

next time (because for some reason I feel there will be a next time)you need to have her and the pups in a warm, well lit & non-drafty place.
a good heat lamp helps and bedding is very important. before she drops pick something that is dust free and that encourages exercise and nesting. after she drops pick something that naturally repells mold, mildew and pest.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/7/2/1/Jackopups3wks.jpg
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/7/2/1/Jackopups7wks.jpgWhat type of bedding is that in the 2nd pic?

[Michele]

well, RIP to all those pups.........maybe the momma accidentially suffocated them. They don't have any bite marks on them at all......

[The Watcher]

they are Eqine Fresh pine pellets. for bedding house down. you can get them at TSC. I like them, dust free, mold/bacteria reistant. SUPER absorbant and easy clean-up. What type of bedding is that in the 2nd pic?

[Michele]

they are Eqine Fresh pine pellets. for bedding house down. you can get them at TSC. I like them, dust free, mold/bacteria reistant. SUPER absorbant and easy clean-up.
it looks like kitty litter...which to me is great because when the pups poop and pee, you would just scoop it out.......

[jadedpitgirl]

I know this is a pubic fourm.And if you took it as that thats on you.If you wanna pm go ahead ok.
find out what? if my gyp gets a rotten cooter after breeding to ur male? HA! slow your roll. take deep breath and read slower. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I could definatley do without all this sexual innuendo :D :p ;)




Watcher, your pups look GREAT!!!!

Bigcespits-I had a female who tried to kill her pups. She would actually pick them up and squeeze them until they squeeled. The more you tried to interveen, the harder she would squeeze. 3 days after she gave birth, we took the pups. Thank Dog there were only 4 because I had some work on my hands. We decided to bottle feed and save them as opposed to letting her kill them. I gave the stud dog owner two, and I kept the other two. At 20 months, 3 of them are the best dogs you could ask for. The fourth was put down at 10 mths. Either way, whatever you decide to do with her the next time, be prepared to take the pups if needed. Make sure you have the necessary tools for hand-raising the pups and NEVER LEAVE THEM ALONE WITH THE MOTHER!!!!

[The Watcher]

ok rotten vigina. sorry. I figured for the younger viewers cooter might be the better word. either way, my point stands.

but thanks! I work hard on my pups 24/7.

[Michele]

ok rotten vigina.
ya made me spit out my water...LMAOOOOO

[The Watcher]

either way.. yall know what i mean.. :D

[lockjaw]

well to much info..cooter...anyhow its mental..more like you took my last pups away and your not getting these...or the pups where sick and she killed them for that reason..

[Verderben]

they are Eqine Fresh pine pellets. for bedding house down. you can get them at TSC. I like them, dust free, mold/bacteria reistant. SUPER absorbant and easy clean-up.I am going to have to try those one day. Do you think they would be good for in my outdoor kennels with my adult dogs?

[The Watcher]

i sure do. i like them. i get them for 5.98 a 40# bag.

[MIKA]

Got a ? Did nobody read Marty's rules of this community? I wish we all could give our own advice and accept others advice as well. I am on here for one reason, LEARNING! People let's stop all this bashing and help each other.

[Attila]

This is just a thought, maybe some poeple on this forum think that there are to many APBTs being bred and killed at shelters.
http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/0002009C.gif (http://www.sweetim.com/defaultie.asp?ref=10)
I reckon some of us don't care about them shelters either.

[Attila]

ok rotten vigina. sorry. I figured for the younger viewers cooter might be the better word. either way, my point stands.

but thanks! I work hard on my pups 24/7.
lol, works either way for me. good point.

[Attila]

I know this is a pubic fourm.And if you took it as that thats on you.If you wanna pm go ahead ok.
no I took it just as you said it. There isn't any point in trying to act like a bantum rooster with me. puff up all you wish. I was trying to help you in the beginning. You have much to learn, and getting cocky with me isn't going to get you any place. PM's, in the woods, or in the tool shed it doesn't matter you have much to learn from life before you need be putting them spurs on.

[RedNoseGurl]

Where were your pups located ? Outside, barn, etc....She could of smelt something and instintivly killed them to protect them....sounds stupid i know...but there animals...ask your vet....they will tell you the same thing....even another male close by could of set her off. Its happened before. Sorry...

[chinasmom]

I'm late getting here so I don't have much more to say. China was 2 when we bred her and i didn't have the first problem, except afterwords. We built a whelping box and I was in it with her. I cought every puppy, tied off his umbiliquil cord, sucked the mucus from them and rubbed them dry. They were so healthy and strong. And she was a great mother. I'm sorry you had the problems that you had. Sometimes , not every female is a good mom.

[bigcespits]

Got a ? Did nobody read Marty's rules of this community? I wish we all could give our own advice and accept others advice as well. I am on here for one reason, LEARNING! People let's stop all this bashing and help each other.I agree with you.

[bigcespits]

no I took it just as you said it. There isn't any point in trying to act like a bantum rooster with me. puff up all you wish. I was trying to help you in the beginning. You have much to learn, and getting cocky with me isn't going to get you any place. PM's, in the woods, or in the tool shed it doesn't matter you have much to learn from life before you need be putting them spurs on.LOL First off I took the post u posted in a wrong way.When u said tested k.And I am sorry for say it the way i did.As for me learning trust me i know lol oo and about spurs i have 170 puerto rican and dominican pure spanish birds.And trust me I know how to put on potizas spurs.OO I forgot ya use big birds.Well I have some brazillan cross spainsh also.So Belive me I know want im doing.Just cause I started to come here.Does not mean im a kid starting in dogs or birds.Here look at some of my birds.damn all this just for asking some dogs man a question next time i know not to post anything.I notice have some cats here act in front of the PC.But thats life every where u go there one or 2 like that.But thats for the answer to those and for the ones asking about whipping pens. I do have have my bitches in a clean area but she started giving birth in a dark area so i wanted her to finsh there.thats why the pup look like they did in the pic..
Now here are 2 pure spanishbird first one is a canelo/cenizo cock
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/canagueyceniso2.jpg
melon cock
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/amarillos.jpg
Now here is them heavy weights.wow man im on fire man now u wanna talk about birds man.
2/3 brazillan the rest spanish.Now this baby packs a punch wow
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/FRAUDE45MVC-003F-1.jpg

Now here is another one wow 4'8 moms from a dude in La.Crossed to my spanish bird.So trust me i know i am a
certified heeler.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/papujoismael.jpg

[The Watcher]

birdman, want to sell those birds? if they are infact your birds?

[Attila]

LOL First off I took the post u posted in a wrong way.When u said tested k.And I am sorry for say it the way i did.As for me learning trust me i know lol oo and about spurs i have 170 puerto rican and dominican pure spanish birds.And trust me I know how to put on potizas spurs.OO I forgot ya use big birds.Well I have some brazillan cross spainsh also.So Belive me I know want im doing.Just cause I started to come here.Does not mean im a kid starting in dogs or birds.Here look at some of my birds.damn all this just for asking some dogs man a question next time i know not to post anything.I notice have some cats here act in front of the PC.But thats life every where u go there one or 2 like that.But thats for the answer to those and for the ones asking about whipping pens. I do have have my bitches in a clean area but she started giving birth in a dark area so i wanted her to finsh there.thats why the pup look like they did in the pic..
Now here are 2 pure spanishbird first one is a canelo/cenizo cock
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/canagueyceniso2.jpg
melon cock
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/amarillos.jpg
Now here is them heavy weights.wow man im on fire man now u wanna talk about birds man.
2/3 brazillan the rest spanish.Now this baby packs a punch wow
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/FRAUDE45MVC-003F-1.jpg

Now here is another one wow 4'8 moms from a dude in La.Crossed to my spanish bird.So trust me i know i am a
certified heeler.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/papujoismael.jpgcool bro. I raised them birds too. for many years. Lots of fun. The hens actually lay a large egg for their size. Now I just raise birds for eggs and dinner. Most of the countries I lived in the pits were all in the same place. What ever your game was you could find it right there. Days gone by.

It is all good. Your bitch having them in the dark is why I said to put her up in the welping pen a few days before the due date. I tend to do it about five, for that same reason you had. Some times the shit happens early. Always have to be ready. No worries. Dude if English isn't your best language that is cool It isn't my only one or the first one I learned by a long shot. I will speak in just about any language you want.

By the way you have some fine looking birds.

[Attila]

well to much info..cooter...anyhow its mental..more like you took my last pups away and your not getting these...or the pups where sick and she killed them for that reason..
Actually it is a serious matter what we are talking about. Dogs can carry std's just like every other animal. They will get that shit on their face and back in the cooter area. It has to do with dogs having sex but this is by no means a joke or meant to make ya'll uncomfortable with the event of breeding in dogs. or as some said "sex". Std's can ruin a line, a yard and your reputation. I have seen people who have pissed a whole yard away with one careless move and working that shit through the yard. An acquatence in Michigan called me to come out and see if I knew what was wrong with his dogs. They were festered up so bad I about vomited. they were past the point of treatment. Yes a yard full of dogs what were doomed. In a way a sorry breeder culled his own yard but with out the lead.
No folks it isn't a joke. It is funny in a way but serious the same. Pick the wrong bitch or stud and your shit is toast.

[The Watcher]

I think a lot of folks dont get it.
its not a joke.. lol, damn hippies.

[sedaliapitbulls]

those birds sure are pirty.

[Attila]

I think a lot of folks dont get it.
its not a joke.. lol, damn hippies.
you got that right.

[purplepig]

LOL First off I took the post u posted in a wrong way.When u said tested k.And I am sorry for say it the way i did.As for me learning trust me i know lol oo and about spurs i have 170 puerto rican and dominican pure spanish birds.And trust me I know how to put on potizas spurs.OO I forgot ya use big birds.Well I have some brazillan cross spainsh also.So Belive me I know want im doing.Just cause I started to come here.Does not mean im a kid starting in dogs or birds.Here look at some of my birds.damn all this just for asking some dogs man a question next time i know not to post anything.I notice have some cats here act in front of the PC.But thats life every where u go there one or 2 like that.But thats for the answer to those and for the ones asking about whipping pens. I do have have my bitches in a clean area but she started giving birth in a dark area so i wanted her to finsh there.thats why the pup look like they did in the pic..
Now here are 2 pure spanishbird first one is a canelo/cenizo cock
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/canagueyceniso2.jpg
melon cock
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/amarillos.jpg
Now here is them heavy weights.wow man im on fire man now u wanna talk about birds man.
2/3 brazillan the rest spanish.Now this baby packs a punch wow
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/FRAUDE45MVC-003F-1.jpg

Now here is another one wow 4'8 moms from a dude in La.Crossed to my spanish bird.So trust me i know i am a
certified heeler.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/Wlof/papujoismael.jpg
You need to let me keep some of them birds here for you then you wouldnt have to worry about transport laws.

[Attila]

You need to let me keep some of them birds here for you then you wouldnt have to worry about transport laws.
lol. The dude I gave all mine to seems to be doing well. I like them and they are a beautiful bird.

[bigcespits]

birdman, want to sell those birds? if they are infact your birds?Yes they are mine birds.And If you looking for some PM to talk about it I dont wanna talk about them in public.Hope you understand.

[bigcespits]

You need to let me keep some of them birds here for you then you wouldnt have to worry about transport laws.I might take on that offer.Please PM.We can do something.

[Verderben]

i sure do. i like them. i get them for 5.98 a 40# bag.Thats a good deal. I will get some when I get paid and try them. Right now I have Cedar chips in them but the cedar chips really suck and are really messy.

[Attila]

Thats a good deal. I will get some when I get paid and try them. Right now I have Cedar chips in them but the cedar chips really suck and are really messy.
I have been using cedar chips for ever it seems 100 years maybe. lol . I do like the looks of those pellets too. I seen them up at the farm supply for those wood stoves pretty cheep. My buddy uses them in his fire place. I never really thought about it. I like it. I am sold. Put that in your folder Mike you showed a old fart a new thing.

[215pitts]

Maybe this topic needs to be changed to a Gamfowl tread? As for your bitch killing her own pups, maybe they were the weakest link or sick? It does happen.