Chinaman and eli lines

[pittychick]

I'm very new to different bloodlines and what not. I've worked mostly with colbys or rescue dogs of unknown blood with the exception of my boy Java.

I'm trying to get a feeling of what the different lines are known for, what they tend to be good at as far as sport, the cooler lines vs the hotter lines (or who tends to throw more cooler dogs...I know they're APBT lol), etc.

I've heard quite a bit of things about most, but I often hear chinaman and eli mentioned, but nothing really about them.

I know it mostly depends on the individuals, but there HAS to be reasons people choose lines...certain attributes. When I asked about bloodlines on a group board else where people just generalized APBT, not lines.

[BoogiemanBlood]

I'm very new to different bloodlines and what not. I've worked mostly with colbys or rescue dogs of unknown blood with the exception of my boy Java.

I'm trying to get a feeling of what the different lines are known for, what they tend to be good at as far as sport, the cooler lines vs the hotter lines (or who tends to throw more cooler dogs...I know they're APBT lol), etc.

I've heard quite a bit of things about most, but I often hear chinaman and eli mentioned, but nothing really about them.

I know it mostly depends on the individuals, but there HAS to be reasons people choose lines...certain attributes. When I asked about bloodlines on a group board else where people just generalized APBT, not lines.any GOOD bloodline would never be known as "cool" maybe some that turned at a younger age, but no old time dogman would have bred cold dogs. IMO the 2 bloodlines you mentioned sure couldn't be labled as cool i wouldn't think.

[14rock]

Chinaman was an Eli/Snooty cross, and they tend to be very active specimins, very high-energy level, more then willing to start a fight, or raise hell to let you know they want to. If your looking for a laid back, tolerable DA dog, this is probably not it.

[pittychick]

I know they wouldn't breed for "cold" dogs, just asking as far as...percentages I guess. Rock gave me my answer though :) I heard mixed opinions on the line and figured people were more educated here then other places. So Rock...what would you consider a tolerable DA line if one were looking for a dog for sports (obviously not for their original purposes)? Like I said...very new to the different lines of dogs.

[BoogiemanBlood]

I know they wouldn't breed for "cold" dogs, just asking as far as...percentages I guess. Rock gave me my answer though :) I heard mixed opinions on the line and figured people were more educated here then other places. So Rock...what would you consider a tolerable DA line if one were looking for a dog for sports (obviously not for their original purposes)? Like I said...very new to the different lines of dogs.no gamebred line is going to be DA free or even low for that matter. they are all very DA. that's kinda the point i was trying to make about breeding cold dogs.

[Attila]

I know they wouldn't breed for "cold" dogs, just asking as far as...percentages I guess. Rock gave me my answer though :) I heard mixed opinions on the line and figured people were more educated here then other places. So Rock...what would you consider a tolerable DA line if one were looking for a dog for sports (obviously not for their original purposes)? Like I said...very new to the different lines of dogs.
A Pug dog.

[pittychick]

bleh, nevermind. I know they've all got DA, was just wondering if there were any lines where they weren't as....over the top. A lot of the Colby dogs I've worked with have had DA, but were very controlable about it.

And the pug comment is just not funny...every time I see one of them dogs I puke in my mouth a little.

[debodebo]

Please just be careful. Getting a gamebred dog and "trying to love or train" the DA out of it is how accidents happen. Why not just adopt a nice dog. Why get a gamebred dog and try to make it something that it is not.

[vena]

bleh, nevermind. I know they've all got DA, was just wondering if there were any lines where they weren't as....over the top. A lot of the Colby dogs I've worked with have had DA, but were very controlable about it.

And the pug comment is just not funny...every time I see one of them dogs I puke in my mouth a little.

pit bulls were bred to be agressive. if you dont want an agressive dog then get another breed or try a staffordshire terrier

[14rock]

Not too mouch, cold dogs are fairly rare, and aren't restricted to one bloodline. However, the Carver dogs I've dealt with, are fairly laid back when not working, and it takes more then a dog passing by to get a serious rise out of them. Another point of intrest, is they tend to be late starters, possibly giving you time to complete your tasks before the dog becomes too DA. I however, can't justify telling you this would be a good idea however, even if they aren't generally, as it normally goes, you will probably end up with the hottest one of the bunch. Once they are fired up, there is no turning back, as they are some of the roughest animals I've ever dealt with. What sort of sports are you intrested in? I'd think your best bet, would be rescuing one of the millions of APBT's across the country, who you can evaluate at maturity for your work intrests, and don't have to gamble on puppies which will probably not fit your intrests.

[pittychick]

Please just be careful. Getting a gamebred dog and "trying to love or train" the DA out of it is how accidents happen. Why not just adopt a nice dog. Why get a gamebred dog and try to make it something that it is not.
I know, I was just asking as I was reading a discussion on a myspace group regarding this. If I do buy I will most likely be going with something closer to AmStaff for my purposes, I love the APBT but am not set up for a true game bred dog right now.

I will remember if I meet you not to kiss you then.
Sorry that you have to miss out ;-) Just not a fan of small dogs nor smooshy faces...sorry.

[pittychick]

Not too mouch, cold dogs are fairly rare, and aren't restricted to one bloodline. However, the Carver dogs I've dealt with, are fairly laid back when not working, and it takes more then a dog passing by to get a serious rise out of them. Another point of intrest, is they tend to be late starters, possibly giving you time to complete your tasks before the dog becomes too DA. I however, can't justify telling you this would be a good idea however, even if they aren't generally, as it normally goes, you will probably end up with the hottest one of the bunch. Once they are fired up, there is no turning back, as they are some of the roughest animals I've ever dealt with. What sort of sports are you intrested in? I'd think your best bet, would be rescuing one of the millions of APBT's across the country, who you can evaluate at maturity for your work intrests, and don't have to gamble on puppies which will probably not fit your intrests.
I do agility with my pit/carolina dog mix, and am starting my APBT in weight pull and have done a bit of agility with him. When I do get another I want to do everything she (definitely going female this time around) enjoys. I'll be trying out the weight pull and agility as I'll "know" it, and try my hand at competitive obedience. I want to try a couple other more controversal sports as well. I'm all for rescue, I've pulled over 15 dogs (pitbull types and 1 aussie) from being gassed/euthanised at high kill city pounds in the last couple of years. However, I'm an aspiring trainer (with some long term goals for the breed in mind) and want to be able to learn as many differnet aspects as possible. I want to buy to do some conformation as well as sport just so I have the experience. This is my only real reason for buying a dog in the near future.

[14rock]

An Amstaff, or well-bred SBT sounds like it suits your needs much better then a gamebred APBT ;)

[pittychick]

An Amstaff, or well-bred SBT sounds like it suits your needs much better then a gamebred APBT ;)
I agree with you, especially where I am only set up for house dogs (and already have 2). Like I said, was just something that was mentioned in another group lol!

[Attila]

Sneaky....very sneaky lol
nah just crafty

[maryellen1]

some am staffs are hot too... a friend of mine has an amstaff and he has DA to any dog he sees .... you never know..

[mydawgs]

some am staffs are hot too... a friend of mine has an amstaff and he has DA to any dog he sees .... you never know..
Thanks maryellen, my Pit is not fight crazy -- but he sure means business when he fights. My Am Staff is in "bring it" mode all the time. The couple times I have seen her go at it, she turned on at 18 months and I discovered she was a strategic fighter, rests while she moves on her back LOL. My point was she was a great dog with other dogs until such time - and thats what brought me to game dog cuz I thought she had a screw loose as compared to my Pit. He could care less about other dogs....just don't get all up in his grill till he gets pissed. Found out she is right as rain, so is he for that matter.... Am Staffs do not ensure a non DA dog.

[pittychick]

No matter what dog you buy there's always a chance. But it seems much less likely with an amstaff than with a gamebred APBT.