OLD FAMILY REDS MUTT or NOT???

[jdbpitbull]

i was reading some past threads and curious why OFRN are being considered mutts along with the RE, Gotti (i know why the RE gotti is) but has the OFRN also been mixed in somewhere or am i missing something??

[JAGER]

i was reading some past threads and curious why OFRN are being considered nutts along with the RE, Gotti (i know why the RE gotti is) but has the OFRN also been mixed in somewhere or am i missing something??good question but sorry i cant help you . but i will be reading the posts to this thread because im curious too

[lipshipsattitude]

Well Dave Wilson had to start his lien somewhere....here check this out...........



http://www.riospitbull.com/blue_bloodlines.htm
But that dosnt mean the OFRN are bad...just have been used for bad purposes

[sedaliapitbulls]

I,m curious whymyself this is a first i have herd of it.

[lipshipsattitude]

Oh I just read your question and realized I may have answered it inccorectly. Is someone talkin smack about today's pit bulls or the original ones?

[jdbpitbull]

I,m curious whymyself this is a first i have herd of it.

the thread i reading that it came up like that is which bloodline= big head to different posts said it and maybe they knew nothing and just mouthing but there is only one way to find out and that is talk to someone that does know so Theres my question

[jdbpitbull]

Oh I just read your question and realized I may have answered it inccorectly. Is someone talkin smack about today's pit bulls or the original ones?

i guess the originals thats why i am asking to see if it is the original stran or was later made that way or what

[JAGER]

Oh I just read your question and realized I may have answered it inccorectly. Is someone talkin smack about today's pit bulls or the original ones?take it easy crystal take it easy no need to start kicking ass :)

[jaystreetsA4]

well IMO OFRn is thrown around alot with bybs. OFRn is a legitimate strain of dogs. Lar-san Is built on this. Heck one of the "gatekeepers" of the strain posts on this thread. Real OFRN is an authentic gameline.

[lipshipsattitude]

take it easy crystal take it easy no need to start kicking ass :)Uh ok thanks, I was just tryin to figure out what she was asking
But the whole "big head" thing wasnt even a issue until recently so I cant imagine it applying to the old skool ones. The old game men didnt boast about size....most where small scrappy lil guys.

[jdbpitbull]

well IMO OFRn is thrown around alot with bybs. OFRn is a legitimate strain of dogs. Lar-san Is built on this. Heck one of the "gatekeepers" of the strain posts on this thread. Real OFRN is an authentic gameline.

oh ok iwas just curious because i have really liked this line and about fell over when i read that because they seemed to be built and conformationally correct but thanks for the replies to clear that up

[runt]

it all depends where you get them but their are still some game true to form OFRN

[pennsooner]

i was reading some past threads and curious why OFRN are being considered mutts along with the RE, Gotti (i know why the RE gotti is) but has the OFRN also been mixed in somewhere or am i missing something??


I haven't read this whole thread, just the opening post but.......... No one considers OFRN dogs "mutts". The real ones are great dogs. Its just that the blood isn't real widespread. REAL OFRN blood is really tough to come by. So MOST people saying they have it and letting it go are just using the name to get a sale.

[jdbpitbull]

I haven't read this whole thread, just the opening post but.......... No one considers OFRN dogs "mutts". The real ones are great dogs. Its just that the blood isn't real widespread. REAL OFRN blood is really tough to come by. So MOST people saying they have it and letting it go are just using the name to get a sale.

the reason i was asking this is because of another thread and what it said here it is

Those are not APBTs and not pure. Why do you need a big fat head? It doesnt do anything for show weight pull or um,,,,,,,,my sports...... Good luck on this search. Quote:
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thats why i was curious!

[14rock]

Before big blue mutts, the fad was big red/red dogue de bourdeux looking dogs. Alot of the good OFRN blood, was known for being on the larger side, and good looking dogs. As a result, much of the original stock for these crossbred red/rednose monsters were of OFRN strains.

There is about as much similarity between a well-bred OFRN, and one of these 120 lb. "freak monsters" as there is between a poodle and a great dane.

[miakoda]

The first oversized "pit bulls" I ever saw were red/red nosed dogs often touted as "OFRN." These were/are the dogs that are 100+ lbs & you can find them advertised out the whazoo in DogFancy magazine. However, these dogs have been outcrossed to breeds such as the Doge de Bourdeaux & consists of your Camelot, Eddington, Peterson, etc. lines.

Maybe that is why they say that.


There is about as much similarity between a well-bred OFRN, and one of these 120 lb. "freak monsters" as there is between a poodle and a great dane
Well said!

[jdbpitbull]

The first oversized "pit bulls" I ever saw were red/red nosed dogs often touted as "OFRN." These were/are the dogs that are 100+ lbs & you can find them advertised out the whazoo in DogFancy magazine. However, these dogs have been outcrossed to breeds such as the Doge de Bourdeaux & consists of your Camelot, Eddington, Peterson, etc. lines.

Maybe that is why they say that.

Well said!

so your true OFRN arent mutts its just the other fad that has been bred into them to make them that away in the last few yrs okay cause i had a reg. OFRN and he was like 55lbs and i thought he looked exceptionally well and never thought as him a mutt. okay anyways thanks for the replies

[Lethalpits]

You can do a quick lil search and see some overdone OFRN. The main thing is that OFRN covers a number of different breeder strains and lines. Hemphill, Norrod, Lightners, Wilders, Ironline, Ishikawa, Clouse..etc.

Alot of showlines stem from OFRN and we all know what a good showline will eventually get turned into.

But really there are some serious OFRN game lines around and I like seein people usin the real deal for crosses to see what they can get. Norrod's can bring some heat if used right.

[Attila]

True OFRN are not mutts. Getting your hands on True any line, keeping it true, and being true to it is key.

Every line should be with in the standard. The standard has wide enough range that extending it is just plain bad breeding.
If you want a 70 pound dog get a larger breed, If you want 120 get a bull mastiff, want 200 get a mastiff. Want 10 get a boston terrier between that and APBT get a Patter Dale. It is just that simple.

Grossly out of standard is a mutt. Or the very least a very poor bred example of a breed. That goes with any breed.

[Scotsman]

I knew a couple guys back in the day that had big red/red nose dogs. But there is a big difference between them and an OFRN. OFRN's are athletic looking and smaller than those big reds, we called them Hog Dogs, because they were fat like hogs.

[215pitts]

MUTTS? I'm offended :mad: Look at the guy in my signature!

[jdbpitbull]

MUTTS? I'm offended :mad: Look at the guy in my signature!

didmt mean to offend ya just a question because of another thread i read because i love the ofrn thats why i wanted to know but mine was 55lbs and looked very similar to the one in you sig.

[Lethalpits]

Kerg, the reason I said Norrod/Ironline is because on pedigrees you see Norrod's, then on a different pedigree you might see Ironline. Most people know that it is his line.

Like I said before, the only reason OFRN has an association with out of standard dogs is because people used OFRN strains to add to their crosses to make bigger dogs.

Then again, I wouldn't say ALL big breeders used Doge de Bordeaux and OFRN to make 100+ giants. There are some breeders whose dogs are in the 70-85 lb. region that really are pure OFRN strains. In fact someone posted their site on this board a while back.

[jdbpitbull]

Kerg, the reason I said Norrod/Ironline is because on pedigrees you see Norrod's, then on a different pedigree you might see Ironline. Most people know that it is his line.

Like I said before, the only reason OFRN has an association with out of standard dogs is because people used OFRN strains to add to their crosses to make bigger dogs.

Then again, I wouldn't say ALL big breeders used Doge de Bordeaux and OFRN to make 100+ giants. There are some breeders whose dogs are in the 70-85 lb. region that really are pure OFRN strains. In fact someone posted their site on this board a while back.

right now i have an outcross from an ofrn and carver and he is 78.6lbs he is a big boy and solid but he doesnt get worked alot so he probably would weigh less but i have noticed that he is slimming down since i hav started working him and getting way more muscular and he probably weighs less now !

[Chef-Kergin]

Lethal - i see.

It is sad though...you can google RE, Gotti, or OFRN and you're likely to get the same results of sites that have pics of dogs posted that are very similar (over weight, out of standard, large head, etc) in appearance.

It does seem to be a phrase tagged to a dog to maybe help some douche nozzle peddle it.

[Lethalpits]

Both my bitches have Hemphill Wilder lines on bottom, but back in the 5th through the same female.

And they are not mutts!
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/6/9/4/2/S8000406.jpg

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/6/9/4/2/Misfitbark.jpg

[bahamutt99]

My husband's boss is convinced that the rednose dogs have Viszla mixed in. I told him to tell her that was ludicrous, because why would the oldtimers want to mix in gundog to get a better fighter? Sheesh.

[Attila]

My husband's boss is convinced that the rednose dogs have Viszla mixed in. I told him to tell her that was ludicrous, because why would the oldtimers want to mix in gundog to get a better fighter? Sheesh.
Viszla eh. that is funny. We had some of those on the farm in Hungary when I was a small boy. Good dogs but not something to mix into this breed. But people can think what they want. Sometimes too much thinking makes a person stupid.

[bahamutt99]

Viszla eh. that is funny. We had some of those on the farm in Hungary when I was a small boy. Good dogs but not something to mix into this breed. But people can think what they want. Sometimes too much thinking makes a person stupid.
Heh. Maybe I should refer to her as my Hungarian Bull Pointer or something like that next time I go pick him up from work. But yeah. Excessive thinking does tend to fry the essential circuitry. It also makes it hard to sleep. Look at my ol' man. He sleeps great. :D

[MoEttaWinnyMOM]

My husband's boss is convinced that the rednose dogs have Viszla mixed in. I told him to tell her that was ludicrous, because why would the oldtimers want to mix in gundog to get a better fighter? Sheesh.
haha--we tease winston that he thinks he is vizsla and my vizsla officianado firiend is quite fond of him. i am not great on my knowledge of the blood lines but aren't the old family reds from ireland and basically died out? is there a new old family?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/semantyks/winprettysideCOMP.jpg

[iron_dusty]

Few things.. Just because a dog is RED and has a red nose does not make it an OFRN dog. There are many things to condsider starting with pedigree, color charactrisitcs (real OFRN dogs have no black nails, hairs, min. white markings if any) size, etc.

most people get confused and call their dogs OFRN when there in truth is only a small precentage of the strain in their dog ...if any..

I recall a rumor I heard years ago that a certain breeder particular to OFRN was using hounds into his dogs. So go figure, people will say just about anything.

[wheezie]

anyone know anything about Sarona bloodline?

[WWII]

Few things.. Just because a dog is RED and has a red nose does not make it an OFRN dog. There are many things to condsider starting with pedigree, color charactrisitcs (real OFRN dogs have no black nails, hairs, min. white markings if any) size, etc.

most people get confused and call their dogs OFRN when there in truth is only a small precentage of the strain in their dog ...if any..

I recall a rumor I heard years ago that a certain breeder particular to OFRN was using hounds into his dogs. So go figure, people will say just about anything.
It was Wilder. And he was said to be breeding coon hounds into his dogs. And I think I know who you are.

[Big Game]

It was Wilder. And he was said to be breeding coon hounds into his dogs. And I think I know who you are.You do know who he is as do I. I have also herd the rumor about J.Wilder mixing hounds into his strain of ofrn dogs. Althow the poaster of this thread is the only one I've heard tell this rumor. He will not disclose what dogs or breedings are in question. Hmm... According to the source of this rumor, revealing this information would cause quite a stirr among dogmen running this particuler ofrn blood. Tharefore not letting the rest of the world in on his knowlidge of these mixed Wilder dogs is avoiding alot of drama. The source of this rumor is a highly respected dogman. Respected by me and many many others in the dog game.For that reason I am not implying that the rumor is not true.That I will never know for shure. Being someone that is dedicated to perserving the Geranimo/Red Dixie strain of gamedogs I do wish that he would share what he knows. This information could be used by fanciers of this strain in future breedings. Keeping these dogs out of the genetic pool could only srangthen this family. Keeping this info a secret could only help lead to the continued deteriation of the old family reds. P.S. Norrod dogs aka ironline dogs aka red devil dogs are an exalent strain of ofrn Truely top knotch animals in every aspect .....but thay are not the only working ofrn strain. In fact I.M. himself has kept the purest strain of hemphill dogs that is alive today intact, and has created winners with this blood by crossing into his pure ironline stock (I.e Norrods hemphill Sambo,Norrods hemphill Babe) I dont belive he keeps this blood on his yard anymore but I credit him with keeping it intact.