Just curious..

[NcPrisonGuard]

This is for you folks out there that really know the history...

Has there ever been a big time dog.. a real monster. Ch. , Gr Ch.. whatever from the pit that was bred and never managed to throw anything decent? If so who was it?

Just something I am wondering about. Still learning the history and all you know.

[jaystreetsA4]

lol dont hold me to this but grch 35 and dbl grch Tornado coems to mind

[OnionHead]

i agree with ya i luv grand champion 35

[NcPrisonGuard]

lol dont hold me to this but grch 35 and dbl grch Tornado coems to mind
go a ped online of either one of those?

[Red Cocaine]

GRCH Zebo
GRCH Jimmy Boots
GRCH White Rock
BillySuday

[Bullyboi]

go a ped online of either one of those?TORNADO's pedigree (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=122)

And Rushins Bills GR CH "35" linage was unknown.

Ken Allen's Dbl Gr Ch Tornado<!--Freetext--> ...

On December 8th, 1991, GR CH Tornado made bulldog history. She became the first ten time winner and DOUBLE grand champion in history.

With all great bulldogs there are people that detract from the achievements of these animals. Who Dbl GR CH Tornado could have beat or couldn't is a matter of one's own opinion. Who she did beat and who she didn't is a matter of record. The facts are that the list of notable dog people she beat is among the top the game has to offer today.

Her first match was into STP's Miss Piggy. STP was quoted saying, by a close source, that if he could get the bet covered, he would mortgage his house that Ken's 13 month old pup could not possibly beat Miss Piggy. Luckily for this proud fellow, the bet was not called as Miss Piggy was victim number one.

The pattern continued as Dbl GR CH Tornado beat D. Farve & JJ Hayward, Bobby Hall, Tant & Co., and Chicago Combine.

A while later, GR CH Tornado came to Florida to claim her sixth win. She beat "Emma" in 1 hour, 17 mins. Tito of the Local Boys was next in line and his bitch did not last the half hour mark and T. Garner and Raheem's bitch went out game in half that time. Rastaman brought opponent number nine in the form of Boone's Sadie, she was wisely picked up at 45 mins. Her tenth and final match was against the Canadian Francois Shobinoe, a man that brought a very game and talented bitch. It officially went 2hours, 34 mins. A wager was made on Tornado's gameness and ability to finish a dog. At 3 hours and 18 mins in 25 degree weather, she was broken off her expired foe and then scratched back to it without hesitation. (most dogs will not do this)

All of the above dogs failed to live under Dbl GR CH Tornado except for one. All of them scratched dead game. She won her first at 13 months, and her last at the age of seven years old. Tornado's total fight time was 10 hours, 20 mins. She killed three of the dogs without getting one puncture in her skin. Her 8th and 9th matches were only 3 weeks apart from each other.

Many people say that Tornado did not produce. But what people don't say is that she was only bred twice and many only took those and bred them back to her father whom was a ROM. Though, she did produce two known 2x's including Ken Allen's Movin On.

[JoeFeezy]

D@mn i didn't know much about Tornado. I had seen her pics but wow.

[iron_dusty]

GRCH Zebo

actually Zebo DID produce some good dogs. True he was bred alot and that would make his precentage low, but he still produced some good dogs.. like CH RUBY

[Scotsman]

Actually there are a lot of Ch's and Gr Ch's that haven't produced anything. Some of the best producers aren't even Ch's.

[NcPrisonGuard]

I guess maybe I should ask it differently.. in ya'll's opinion what was the best dog to never throw anything worthwhile? maybe that's a bit more clear?

[Scotsman]

I would say the old WCC Boyles blood was solid, tons of champions and ROM's in the peds. The Patrick blood is solid and producing and same with the old Carver lines through Coy, LG, DSK etc are all solid lines. For modern dogs it is really tough to say but Macho Buck and all those Buck dogs are pretty solid producers.

[hrdeluxe]

NC Prison,

To me the most important thing would be good ones produced in relation to amount produced. Plenty of times you hear....that dog can't produce...when in actuality it may have only produced 20 offspring and say 4champs. To me that is pretty good. You see some of the champs with a 100 offspring and only 10 champs, and we only see the 10 champs. Kind of off-topic but my 2 cents.

[realonebulldog]

This is for you folks out there that really know the history...

Has there ever been a big time dog.. a real monster. Ch. , Gr Ch.. whatever from the pit that was bred and never managed to throw anything decent? If so who was it?

Just something I am wondering about. Still learning the history and all you know. You know this is much more then a science.....brain is by far not enough to understand this. You need eye, feeling and heart to be on top. The truth is you can get a CH out of a cur and a cur out of a CH. Some dogs were more on the cold side but very good fighter and producer. If you ask a Shaolin he would say: The highest level of the fight is not to fight.....

[MinorThreat]

"You see some of the champs with a 100 offspring and only 10 champs, and we only see the 10 champs"

lmao you dont know much do you. Yeah those ROM dogs with only 10points should have been popped, lol