Breeders

[azdog]

Who Do You Gennetlemen Consider To Be The Top Breeder Of Todays Era?in Conparesence Of Like John P. Colby Standerds.i Know There Will Be Only One J.p.,but I Want To Hear EveryoneS Point Of Veiw,OF TODAYS TOP BREEDER.

[blackbeard]

Pat Patrick, just for the sake of controversy.Although I´m sure he is.:p Who Do You Gennetlemen Consider To Be The Top Breeder Of Todays Era?in Conparesence Of Like John P. Colby Standerds.i Know There Will Be Only One J.p.,but I Want To Hear EveryoneS Point Of Veiw,OF TODAYS TOP BREEDER.

[rocksteady]

Pat Patrick, just for the sake of controversy.Although I´m sure he is.:p

Good man there ..

Another good guy is Mr. Norrod of ironline Kennels ..and I hear Mr Floyd Boudreaux is up there, too...I personally have never met him but have a good firned that went dwn to his yard and bought a dog

[kimbel2392]

Well, I bought dogs from Mr. Louis Colby these past few years and am pleased with what I got. I will say Pat Patrick and Lou Colby because they are easy to get a hold of and as famous as these guys are, their pups are priced very reasonable -And you can trust them with your hard earned money

[Bubba]

Pat Patrick, just for the sake of controversy.Although I´m sure he is.:p LOL I'll keep my trap shut as to not start the Patrick bashing lol.
Another fella that would have to be mentioned, although I've never seen a Sorrell dog that I really liked, would have to be B. Sorrells, as look at the amount of CHs and GR CHs he has bred.
Another breeder, that has produced some good dogs, would be V. Aycart, even with the passing of Mayday, he is still producing some good dogs, such as CH Glock, whom is a bad muthafucca.......
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[Texasbulldogs]

How could anybody put PP on this thread?

[Bubba]

How could you not name PP in a sense, I'm no Patrick fan, but his breedings have been and will remain an influence on many of todays dogs.
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[Crash97]

A lot of us might have personal issues with P. Patrick due to the accusations that have surrounded him. But he has put some good dogs out, which have changed the sport for the better.

[azdog]

I DO HEAR ALOT OF CRAP ON PAT,BUT I DON'T REALLY HEAR ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIS DOGS.I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE GOTTEN DOGS FROM PAT AND I MUST SAY THEY ARE REALLY TOP QUALITY.BUT THAT IS ALL A DIFFERANT SUBJECT.

[rocksteady]

I dont know..I have never been delt a bad hand by him nor has he ever done anything to me or anyone I know.. He has always been polite and friendly and I personally dont beleive a word others say 1/2 the time because everyone has some skeletons in the closet... but this is about breeding and the man has bred some good dogs in his time.

Dont you know the game by now lol?? Bragging and bs seem to go hand and hand..someone is always looking to belittle someone else for whatever reason Unless we were there, we'll never know exactly what went down and everyone has a different version of what happened

The same stuff can be said about any breeder out there..theres always some dirt

[Texasbulldogs]

Is PP a great breeder or did he just happen to buy and steal some great dogs (Tombstone & Bolio)?

His dogs of current are nothing near show quality now like they where in the seventies and eighties. PP’s involvement in most of the great foundation dogs wasn’t too far away from the true source of quality in these dogs “Carver, Maloney and Clouse”. The longer PP has had his actual hands on the breeding, the spottier the quality has gotten.
Can anyone think of a dog within the last 10-15 years that can be considered a foundational dog to ANY modern success story? Should be an easy question too answer considering he sell hundreds of dogs every year and has been for years.

[Bubba]

PP did happen upon some great dogs (Bolio & Tombstone) but it was him that bred those dogs and formed the Bolio and Tombstone dogs that we have now. Another good dog from Patrick would be the Homer dog, and the Anton (beat the Belon Club) dog who is GR CH Amboss daddy...
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[Texasbulldogs]

Yes he did but like I said the farther away he gets from them (Tombstone & Bolio) the less productive his breeding is. To its current state of none existent and you still did not answer the question I asked.
Just because one of his dogs beat the Bellon Club doesn't mean anything. Look how many dogs he is putting out there day in and day out. If any greenhorn breed that many dogs they could stumble upon a good one every now and then too.
To me a good breeder is not reliant on a couple of dogs for his percentages to be high. That is why you see and here about certain individuals allot one day then they disappear the next (happen to get an exceptional one). It didn't have anything to do with the knowledge on the owner it was purely the dog.
He does deserve credit for what he did create though. I don't want to take anything away from him.I just don't think he is a great breeder.

[Bubba]

If it weren't for Patrick tho, many other lines would not be what they are. You have to look at the impact the dogs HE bred made, i.e...if there were no "Patricks" dogs then we wouldn't have the Boyles' dogs that we have today. There wouldn't be the Hollingsworth dogs either. It can't be denied that Patrick has had a major influence in this breed of dogs as a breeder.

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[Texasbulldogs]

But you are talking more than 20-25 years ago in most cases. This of course was close to the time Pat stole Bolio and bred him, so the produced dogs were closer to the true source of quality in their peds: meaning the dogs Carver, Maloney, and Clouse had something to do with.<O:p</O:p

Mr. Hollingsworth did purchase Lady In Red (LIR) from PP in the early eighties, but she was off of a bitch R A bred. She (LIR) only had 2 generations of PP breeding on top and less than that on bottom. If you put the actual breeders name (as should be) on most of PP’s famous dogs, you would see his name would hardly appear. You would actually see minimal involvement of the Patrick name in the actual breeding of Lady In Red (or most of his other important dogs). Example: Maloney's Tombstone, Carver's Bolio, Clouse's Faith, Clouse's Tater, Clouse' Goldy, etc.<O:p</O:p

Let’s look a Bolio Jr.’s actual pedigree:<O:p</O:p

-------------- Klaus' ZEKE
------ Carver's BOLIO, ROM (Stolen)
-------------- Klaus' GOLDIE
- Patrick's BULL BOY BOB, ROM (Got by breeding to a stolen dog)
-------------- Clouse's TATER
------ Steinberg's TUFFY (PP bought Faith pregnant to Tater)
-------------- Clouse's FAITH
* Mason's BOLIO JR. *
-------------- Carver's BOLIO, ROM (Stolen)
------ Patrick's BULL BOY BOB, ROM (Got by breeding to a stolen dog)
-------------- Steinberg's TUFFY (PP bought Faith pregnant to Tater)
- Patrick's SPEEDY
-------------- Carver's BOLIO, ROM (Stolen)
------ Patrick's RED BABY, ROM (Got by breeding to a stolen dog)
-------------- Clouse's GOLDY<O:p</O:p

As stated earlier not much involvement is there? PP’s involvement here wasn't too far away from the TRUE source of quality in these dogs Carver and Clouse. Can you think of any foundation dogs past say Lady In Red (bred over 20 years ago) from PP’s yard of any modern successful kennel of the hundreds of people he sell too every month?

<O:p</O:p

[rocksteady]

But theres many lines that seem to fall "out of favor" for some reason or another. Look at Ironline Kennels ... Its been told (and this is through Mr Norrod's posts himself..I do personally know him) that his lines are considered "obsolete". LOL..his dogs are just as good as they were in the past when his lines were in vogue.. Does that make him any less of a man or his line any less?

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Patrick isnt my line of choice nor the line I breed..I stand by the Rozmus McCoy line which is also not a very popular line and has suffered since its heyday in the 70's . It is back on the rise in our part .. the dogs got big but never lost what they had..

I think the same of Patrick dogs... in terms that you say they arent as good as they once where but I bet if one got serious you'd be surprised how quickly they bounce back.

As for someone stealing..can you prove it? Were you there? Like I said..its a he said she said thing and that should be between PP and the dogs true owner IF he did steal it.

Theres alot of things to consider . With everyone after dog fighters, I dont blame a one dogman for not reporting or showing off his dogs for some magazine or to please the crowd. Also of dogmen now concentrate on battleing these laws and making itso we can continue to keep them ..or simply "drop out of the game" lol

[Texasbulldogs]

PP’s dogs have never fallen out of “flavor”. It’s just that he personally isn’t producing good dogs any more. Like I stated before if you look at his dogs the more involvement he has the less quality of dogs one gets. Also look at any of the past great dogs of his he actually had very little involvement in them. Look at his past dogs and present dogs you can/will see a big difference. He is still producing and selling more dogs now than ever before.
Boyles, Hollingsworth, Anderson, The Mason, etc., all got their dogs well over two decades ago and they are still going strong.

[blackbeard]

First off in the last 10 or fifteen years pretty much every new strain that has emerged has been the outcome of the crossings of pre-existing strains, not just one foundation dog. That Pat took the works of Maloney, Clouse,and Carver means nothing because everyone has begun with what someone before them had established already.He had the vision to mix that up and create a family of dogs that undoubtedly to this day ranks in the top 3 of the most successful bloodlines ever. And in turn his blood mixed with other blood has led the way to other strains which are very succesful at this time. Gr Ch Buck ROM a Patrick bred dog is one of the foundation dogs for STP, Southern Kennels, and Stone City Kennels bloodlines. Gr Ch Mayday ROM whose blood is highly sought after is basically a half Patrick dog, his Mother Hollingworth's Dolly ROM is basically a Patrick dog. Two of Boyles main foundation dogs Dirty Mary, and Bobby Jr were both bred by Patrick. Their offspring Clyde the Undertaker POR, and Black Gold are Patrick dogs. Bolt Action ROM and Limited Edition ROM are half Patrick. Ch. Lee's Reno is a half Patrick dog, Singletary's Penny Sue POR is 3/4 Patrick.J Mans Crazy Tippy 's POR has 2 grandparents which are Patrick bred. Gr Ch Andy Capp ROM and his brother Ch Muchs' Calvin are both 7/8 Patrick. Gr Ch Queen of Hearts and Ch Mr Rogers are both half Patrick. Even Garner's Frisco ROM is about 1/4 Patrick. How can you state that the line has gone stale and that the dogs aren't the same. I've been hearing that same shit since around 1989 and it's always from people who haven't owned one. I bet you have never owned one. If it weren't for him there would be a big hole to fill in the game. We would not have had Bolio dogs, Maloney/Bolio,Tombstone/Bolio,Bolio/Clouse,Tonka/Red Baron,strains such as Boyles, Anderson,Mims and others. His crosses with No Regrets were fantastic, I had 2 of them. As far as his involvement he himself says he is a breeder, and I think that is why some people are distracted in purchasing a dog from him. He has no champions on his yard to brag about, he depends on what other do with them to get the publicity, unlike others who campaign their own dogs. If he were highly active in matching his dogs he definately would have some champions on his yard and you all would be happier. People usually like to hear bullshit stories about the incredible feats of certain breeders dogs to justify the purchase.It's all marketing. His dogs of now are as good as the past. Buy one and free yourself of your clouded vision.QUOTE=Texasbulldogs]PP’s dogs have never fallen out of “flavor”. It’s just that he personally isn’t producing good dogs any more. Like I stated before if you look at his dogs the more involvement he has the less quality of dogs one gets. Also look at any of the past great dogs of his he actually had very little involvement in them. Look at his past dogs and present dogs you can/will see a big difference. He is still producing and selling more dogs now than ever before. Boyles, Hollingsworth, Anderson, The Mason, etc., all got their dogs well over two decades ago and they are still going strong.


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[Texasbulldogs]

Yes he HAD (past tense) great dogs I stated that, but the more involvement he has the less quality of dog one get. Look at his dogs of old versus them now (thin bone, dumb, curs). I think he was lucky and/or made the right decisions in purchasing/stealing. Funny how all of the line you mentioned are all still going strong and getting better each generation but not PP’s. Why is that? I do have Bolio/Tombstone dogs, I just got them from people that still breeds for a performance animal.

[blackbeard]

Whatever you say, Mr. Oldtimer.

[Texasbulldogs]

“Whatever you say, Mr. Oldtimer.”
LOL. I think this has the potential to make for a great debate. I not trying to be an ass or anything I just don’t think he is J. Colby or M. Carver in the breeding world.<O:p</O:p

“That Pat took the works of Maloney, Clouse,and Carver means nothing because everyone has begun with what someone before them had established already.”
Of course no argument with that never knocked him for that.<O:p</O:p

“He had the vision to mix that up and create a family of dogs that undoubtedly to this day ranks in the top 3 of the most successful bloodlines ever.”
How much of it was PP versus the vision and knowledge of Carver, Maloney, and Clouse? I can't think of too many dogs passed Lady In Red (again, born over 20 years ago) that can be considered a foundational dog to ANY modern success story. What modern, winning dogman of the hundreds of people he sells to ... has a key, foundational dog from Patrick anymore? Boyles, Hollingsworth, STP, Anderson, The Mason, etc., all got their dogs well over twenty years ago. What similar success story is going on (presently) in today's game, whose foundational purchase came from a Patrick breeding that took place within the last 5 years? 10 years? If truly a great breeder like you state: shouldn’t the quality of dog be the same now as it was? But yet they are vastly different from gameness to structure to their intelligence. Could that be from the dogs getting farther away from the TRUE source of the actual great breeders? <O:p</O:p

“ And in turn his blood mixed with other blood has led the way to other strains which are very succesful at this time."
Yes they have as I stated you are looking back 20 plus years for that kind of quality too. So was it PP limited involvement or was he just reaping the rewards of Carver, Maloney, and Clouse’s breedings?<O:p</O:p

“Gr Ch Mayday ROM whose blood is highly sought after is basically a half Patrick dog, his Mother Hollingworth's Dolly ROM is basically a Patrick dog.”
Yes I’m very familiar with this line of dogs. Dolly was born on PP’s yard in the early 80’s, off a bitch R. Anderson bred. She actually only has 2 generations of PP’s breeding on top and less then that on bottom. Let’s look at her pedigree, as it should be:<O:p</O:p

-------------- Carver's BOLIO
------ Patrick's BULL BOY BOB, ROM
-------------- Steinberg's TUFFY (PP bought Faith pregnant to Tater)
- Patrick's LITTLE TATER
-------------- Carver's BOLIO
------ Patrick's RED BABY, ROM
-------------- Clouse's GOLDY
* Patrick's LADY IN RED *
-------------- Maloney's TOMBSTONE
------ Patrick's CH TONKA
-------------- Patrick's RED BABY
- Anderson's ROSE
-------------- J. Carver's RED NECK
------ Anderson's AUBURN
-------------- Patrick's GINGER<O:p</O:p

This is how the pedigree should read. How much involvement did he really have as to the quality of these dogs, and who (truly) laid down their foundational quality? Again, Patrick's actual breeding involvement in these dogs was minimal, and was over 20 years ago.

“As far as his involvement he himself says he is a breeder, and I think that is why some people are distracted in purchasing a dog from him.”
Nothing wrong with only being a breeder very few are capable of being both breeder and competitor (successfully). People are distracted by his LOW percentages of game dogs. Now days you get thin-bone, stupid, curs from him in most cases and for most that is unacceptable especially for his asking price. Even with all that said, he is breeding and selling more now than ever.<O:p</O:p

“If he were highly active in matching his dogs he definately would have some champions on his yard and you all would be happier.”
Maybe. Maybe not, you are assuming here. But if he were active he (hopefully) wouldn’t still be breeding the thin-bone, stupid dogs that he is currently. Every now in then he does manage to though a good one. Most of the dogs he is producing are like Ch G I Joe (rank 25 minute cur). There has been some dead game recently that came off his yard. But if you bred in volume like him eventually you are bound to get a couple. Not exactly what I would consider a great breeder. <O:p</O:p

“ People usually like to hear bullshit stories about the incredible feats of certain breeders dogs to justify the purchase.”
True, But I prefer the truth good or bad.<O:p</O:p

“His dogs of now are as good as the past.”
Easy to say, but factually you are WRONG. He has a very LOW percentage yard of untested dogs. Who is presently winning with dogs directly off his yard?

“Buy one and free yourself of your clouded vision”
I have no room on my yard for stupid, thin-boned, curs and the likely hood of getting a good one is very slim.<O:p</O:p

<O:p</O:p

[Bubba]

What similar success story is going on (presently) in today's game, whose foundational purchase came from a Patrick breeding that took place within the last 5 years? 10 years? If truly a great breeder like you state: shouldn’t the quality of dog be the same now as it was?

Heres a dog, off Patrick breedings, that has proved himself very well.

..............................................Boli o
..............................Patrick's El Dos Bit Cortaro
..............................................Patr ick's Daisy
...............Patrick's Hot Dog
...............................................Pat rick's Bull Boy Bob
..............................Patrick's Rose
...............................................Pat rick's Kona
.....Cooper's Anton 1xw
...............................................Ind ian Bolio
..............................Patrick's Bull Boy Bob
...............................................Pat rick's Tuffy
...............Patrick's Sheba
...............................................Pat rick's Copperhead
..............................Patrick's Molly Brown
...............................................Pat rick's Little Koko

GR CH Amboss
...............................................Ind ian Bolio
..............................Patrick's El Dos Bits Cortaro
...............................................Pat rick's Daisy
...............Patrick's Fatty Arbuckle
...............................................Thr ift's CH Bobby Jr.
..............................Patrick's Sally
................................................Pa trick's Billy II
.....Patrick's Bonita
................................................Ki ncaid's Rolo
..............................Patrick's Posion
................................................Pa trick's Cheryl Tiegs
...............Patrick's Little Beauty
................................................Th rift's CH Bobby Jr.
..............................Patrick's Black Beauty
................................................Bo yles' Dirty Mary
Looking at that ped, I see quite a bit of Patricks bred dogs, quite a bit of Patricks influence. Sure, we can pull apart any ped and take it back even further.
You talk about the volume of dogs he produces and where is the quality. You also need to think about the volume of dogs that get bought by people from PP that decide its a "brood" dog right away and breed it because of the paperwork only, PP has no control over that...

[Texasbulldogs]

So for the last decade or so you are only about to come up with a well-known net dog (GrCh Amboss) out of the volume of pups he puts out every year, for how long? PP didn’t breed that dog (owner of the bitch is breeder) even though his name is all over its pedigree.

“You also need to think about the volume of dogs that get bought by people from PP that decide its a "brood" dog right away and breed it because of the paperwork only, PP has no control over that”
All well-known breeders have that same problem with there dogs. But yet you still manage to hear about their dogs. Yet one is hard pressed to find or hear about a note worthy dog (% wise) directly from PP's yard. Not exactly what I would consider a great breeder. But then again it goes hand and hand with my thinking, PP had limited involvement in them great dogs of old the true source was Carver, Maloney, and Clouse. That’s why the quality is vastly different (not for the better) in his dogs now. <O:p</O:p

[Bubba]

I named one dog that is of exceptional quality, not because he is a net dog lol I know folks that have seen the dog first hand. And yes, V Cooper DID breed that dog, but if it were not for the efforts of Patrick, Cooper COULD NOT have produced that dog, thats what you need to understand.
Shit I'm not even a Patrick fan, but I know enough to respect those that deserve it.

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[Texasbulldogs]

“I named one dog that is of exceptional quality"
One out hundreds produced yearly for decades not exactly great. Is it? <O:p</O:p

“And yes, V Cooper DID breed that dog, but if it were not for the efforts of Patrick,”
So again in the last few decades PP has produced what? Is he really the great breeder, you are saying he is or did he just reap the rewards of actual truly great breeders? <O:p</O:p

“Cooper COULD NOT have produced that dog, thats what you need to understand.”
I understand quite well. Couldn’t that be said for every dog PP had 20 plus years ago if it were not for the efforts of Carver, Maloney, and Clouse? You seem to be agreeing with me while disagreeing. It boils down too, is a good breeder only able to produce a few quality generations of dogs (as in PP’s case) or is a truly gift and knowledgeable breeder about to keep a line going (percentage wise)? <O:p</O:p

<O:p</O:p

[azdog]

SO MR.TEXASBULLDOGS WHO DO YOU CONSIDDER TO BE ONE OF TODAYS TOP BREEDERS?

[Bubba]

LOL its useless arguing with someone that won't listen or accept reason. You down talk Patricks success as a breeder, you don't have to like the man, but you should at least respect his contribution to our breed.

I'm curious as to whom you feel is a "great" breeder??
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[Texasbulldogs]

“LOL its useless arguing with someone that won't listen or accept reason.”
I agree 100% but yet for some reason I continue to do it.<O:p</O:p

“You down talk Patricks success as a breeder,”
I have never down talked his success 20-25 plus years ago. Them dogs were great, and closer to the true source of quality in their pedigrees: meaning the dogs from Carver, Maloney, and Clouse. The longer PP has gotten his actual hands on the breedings, the spottier the quality. So is that once again a sign of a great breeder? Caver, Colby, Maloney, Hardcore, The Masons, Bellon Club, and the Devines etc. seemed to be able to breed more than a few generations of good dogs. Why couldn’t PP if he is truly a great breeder like you state? Could it be, that it was the dogs and the breeding savvy of the men that he got them from and not PP’s actual involvement? When looking at a “great breeder” one has to look at the overall picture (past and present) not just judge blindly by picking a generation or two of good dogs. <O:p</O:p

“you don't have to like the man, but you should at least respect his contribution to our breed.”
I don’t dislike the man at all. I do respect what he contributed to this breed 20 plus years ago just don’t think it was his breeding discernment like you seem too. Which stands to reason for your inability to name a modern (within the last 5-10 years) successful person/kennel in today’s game, whose foundational stock came from PP’s yard. I wonder why that is since he is a “great breeder”?<O:p</O:p

[blackbeard]

All he does is repeat like a parrot. He can´t even name a better breeder . I bet you haven´t even been in the game for 3 years. When one of my thin, dumb curs from PP is ready, I'll surely ba calling weights out to you Mr.Texasbulldogs. I wanna see what you come out with. Until then, BLACKBEARD

[Texasbulldogs]

“All he does is repeat like a parrot.”
Maybe if I repeat it enough you will be able to comprehend what is being said. Your pathetic one or two sentence responses have offered WHAT? I’ve giving my opinions and breakdowns of the FACTS, yet you have offered absolutely nada to this tread. WHY is that, I’ve asked several question, are you not capable of answering them (not even one)? <O:p</O:p

“He can´t even name a better breeder”
I already have named some (with more consistent generations), its just your reading comprehension is lacking. You don’t seem to be able to name one though. All you do is name PP for a few dogs had very limited influences on but blindly ignores the thousands that weren’t worth feeding.<O:p</O:p

“I bet you haven´t even been in the game for 3 years.”
It would be another losing bet you’ve placed in your life then. Making a bet with lacking knowledge and/or facts is never a wise thing. But, go ahead an place you bet I will cover it.

“When one of my thin, dumb curs from PP is ready, I'll surely ba calling weights out to you Mr.Texasbulldogs.”
Key words there are “WHEN and SURELY”, so in all actuality you have NOTHING worth mentioning from him NOW or never. That whole sentence is just mere speculations on your part. When and surely may never happen. Keep me posted on your progress I’d like to know how many culls (if any) that you had to go through too get that one good dog.

[ozzy]

sorry it is off topic but how can i reach Pat Patrick?does he have a web site?

[azdog]

YES,JUST GO TO LAWLESS KENNELS,AND YOU WILL FIND HIS WESITE.

[cujo]

Ablizin kennels in Russia bought some dogs from PP.Ask him about his experience with the dogs he got from PP.He is surely happy with the dogs he got from STP.

[7645]

Getting back on topic, I think Brian Bailey has made a big impact on the game. Bingo can be found in many great dogs' peds.

[Redtail74]

Keep it on topic or I'll "cull" your post. If you cant contribute to the oringinal post keep your hands off the keyboard. BTW I'll name Mr. Tant since no one else has so far ;) .

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Was looking into some classic threads and decided to blow some life into this one. Two years later, which are the top breeders of today? Have PP and Colby fallen off the wagon?

Regards,


RH

[miakoda]

Was looking into some classic threads and decided to blow some life into this one. Two years later, which are the top breeders of today? Have PP and Colby fallen off the wagon?

Regards,


RHI still like P.P. regardless. My dog from him (& those bred off of her) have served me well.

A lot has changed since this thread was originated in terms of Tant (in jail), Bailey (isn't he in jail too?) & Floyd.

IMO, I still think the big name guys are doing a good job, but I also think a lot of it has gone into "smaller" hands & smaller operations which I honestly believe is a good thing.

Oh, & thanks for reviving some good ol threads. ;)

[SMOKIN HEMI]

what about Ed Faron from Wildside Kennels I talked to him for about an hour one day he claims to have Many ch. and gr ch.
All of the peds thaT I have seen of his has been impressive

[TripleJ]

what about Ed Faron from Wildside Kennels I talked to him for about an hour one day he claims to have Many ch. and gr ch.
All of the peds thaT I have seen of his has been impressiveI have had dogs down from wildside and they were everything you could ask for I would say Ed breeds very fine dogs. YIS J

[jaystreetsA4]

hmm i havent been studying the dogs for as long as many others here have. I will admit im not green, but more of a aqua blue lol seriously, i would say southern kennels is producing from what i can gather. what do you think bout garner? alot of dogs from him/down from him are being noted nicely.

[truerareblood]

I plan to get my first female bolio pup from pat soon. I'm new to all this, but I like wut I heard and read about pat's dogs.

[Dred Lok Kennels]

I plan to get my first female bolio pup from pat soon. I'm new to all this, but I like wut I heard and read about pat's dogs.
You will be happy trust me I don't own any of that blood but they are true bulldogs.........