Walton & Johnson

[miakoda]

I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. I hate. I HATE THEM! :mad:

So the "pit bull' was againg their target of discussion this morning on the radio. Of course you all should know first off that we are all gang bangin' crack slingin' dog fighting criminals as that is the only type of person that owns "pit bulls."

Of course they went of on the attack of th 2 year old girl that happened in the past few days (which I feel horrible about & that dog should've been shot long before he had the chance to do that is it was noted there were plenty of warnings) but they also brought up the infant whose toes were bitten off.........too bad they never got their story straight or just didn't like the real verdict of it being a ferret that did it.

Because of Walton & Johnson, I have already had 3 people just "happen" to call me & then go on & on about why I need to just get rid of my dogs before they "turn" on Cole & kill him. I hung up on all 3 people.

And when I went outside to get the mail, a guy in a truck stopped to talk to me about it all & tell me "in his opinion, my dogs need to go pronto" & that everyone on the street has the same opinion. Now I know this isn't true, but we've got 5 new families on the street & they are complete butts. One of the moms printed out something about how everyone needs to keep their dogs leashed at all times (which I totally agree with), but yet she had a King Charles Spaniel puppy running loose beside her. When I mentioned it, she said, "Well, so & so isn't going to hurt anyone. I don't care about the small dogs. It's the Dobermans, Pit Bulls, & the other dogs on the street that will maul someone's child that I care about." I then proceeded to tell her to get her unleashed dog, which had wandered up to my garage door which wasn't down all the way (& where we now keep all the dogs & their kennels), off my property & that in addition to it hurting a a child, it may very well be bringing viruses into my yard such as parvo that I don't want.

(& the kicker is we've got a family with 2 Dobermans, one already bit a boy, that was doing nothing but playing in the street, on the buttocks, but yet they have voiced their opinions on my "vicious pit bulls")

UGH! I'm so sick & tired of all this crap. And now I feel like I need to be watching my back & watching the dogs at all times.

[Michele]

Because of Walton & Johnson, I have already had 3 people just "happen" to call me & then go on & on about why I need to just get rid of my dogs before they "turn" on Cole & kill him. I hung up on all 3 people.

what the hell is wrong with people?

[ABK]

Hysteria. That is what is wrong w/ them.

And it would be a good idea to watch your back & watch dogr dogs Mia. I'm sure as you already know, ignorant neighbors have been known to verbally & mentally abuse the owners, harm their property as well as abuse or even kill the dogs. :(

[miakoda]

What really got me is all 4 people also asked me if I had heard about the AKC AmStaff that mauled a woman at a show & almost took her foot off. I hadn't, but I just found out about it............& it was an Akita, not an AST.

I didn't hear the show but I'm wondering if all 4 people managed to get the breed wrong or if W&J just blamed that attack on "pit bulls" too.

And Hoyden, I LOVE the Gremlin. I can honely hope that Cole grows up to have her same spunk & way with words. :)

[Hoyden]

I always give people the same answer, it's not the dog I am worried about. It's the jerk on the end of the leash or that is supposed to be it's owner/guardian that I worry about.

Should I send the Gremlin to you for a week? She'll straighten them out.

When we went into the bank this morning to make a deposit, a customer was upset to see Birdie in the bank, even with her service vest on. The bank manager was behind the counter and told the woman that Birdie is a service dog and is very well trained.

That wasn't good enough for her, even after seeing Birdie retrieve the deposit slip & checks I dropped and put them on the counter for the teller.

The Gremlin had had enough of her hysteronics, looked straight at her and said, "Dogs are like kids, they live what they learn. So if you're a bad owner, you're going to have a bad dog. It's NOT rocket science."

Leave it to the Gremlin.......

The bank manager called me a little while ago to tell me that that had to be one of the funniest things that they had ever heard and Birdie was very welcome in the bank.

[ABK]

Oy. How can someone mix up an Akita w/ a pit bull??? :rolleyes:

[coolhandjean]

yeah, i can't stand that...
I listen to Boortz fairly often, and sometimes he goes off on pit bulls...
I sent him a nice e-mail one day, and my final words to him were, "Mr. Boortz, you always tell us not to always believe the media or what you say, but to research it, and find the truth for ourselves. Well, Mr. Boortz, I am going to ask you to stop just believing the media, and truely research the American Pit bull breed."...I never got a response, and it's been a while since I've listened, so, not sure if he is still bashing on pit bulls. I hope not though.

[Hoyden]

What really got me is all 4 people also asked me if I had heard about the AKC AmStaff that mauled a woman at a show & almost took her foot off. I hadn't, but I just found out about it............& it was an Akita, not an AST.

I didn't hear the show but I'm wondering if all 4 people managed to get the breed wrong or if W&J just blamed that attack on "pit bulls" too.

And Hoyden, I LOVE the Gremlin. I can honely hope that Cole grows up to have her same spunk & way with words. :)
Read to him, what ever you are reading, get used to reading aloud. When he's older, encourage him to think about and discuss things that he has heard or read. Ask him lots of questions about things you have read to him.

Even at a year old, I'd read her a book and ask her questions about it. Show Mommy the doggie, where is doggie's dish? etc.

With her interest in dogs, we've also encouraged her to learn the history of this breed and others. Lately she's really been interested in the jobs that dogs were originally bred for and what features certain dog have that helped with those jobs. ie. Myth Busters and their episode about the blood hound has her interested in scent hounds and what body features they have that help them with their jobs.

[Lethalpits]

Wow. You guys get it bad in your part of the country. I haven't heard things like that around here in Memphis, I guess since people are use to these common pit like dogs around here. Then again, my GF is in Texas with family at the moment and she was showing her aunt my dogs on myspace. She went on to say how mean they appeared(don't know why) and how they can be okay now but when they get older they can 'turn' on you. My GF is starting to stand up now she argued with her about how they are the sweetest creatures out here and that bad owners are the ones that make them that way.



As far as the radio you should call them!

[ABK]

Just wait, it will be in your area soon enough. Were I live 2 hr S.E. of you used to be one of the bulldog friendliest areas I knew. Now we have muzzle laws & dangerous dog laws.

As for how you raise them, I don't buy that at all & every time I hear someone repeat that ingorant blather I just have to restrain myself to keep from either laughting out loud or puking.

It's the BREEDER, not the owner. I once owned a dog who was raised as part of our family. She had every thing we would give her - raised indoors, trained, got toys, to go for walks on the beach, rides in the truck, the whole 9 yards. But she still tried to bite my husband & succeeded in biting the &^%$# out of me. However, that dog had the best raising we could give her. So she should have been a perfect dog. But she wasn't.

On the flip side of that coin there are dogs out there who are treated to every mistreatment imaginable, yet they still never harm a human.

I leanred a long time ago, no matter "how you raise it" you still can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

IMO, it's solid breeding programs folks. THAT'S what makes the difference.

JMHO ...

[Lethalpits]

Just wait, it will be in your area soon enough. Were I live 2 hr S.E. of you used to be one of the bulldog friendliest areas I knew. Now we have muzzle laws & dangerous dog laws.

As for how you raise them, I don't buy that at all & every time I hear someone repeat that ingorant blather I just have to restrain myself to keep from either laughting out loud or puking.

It's the BREEDER, not the owner. I once owned a dog who was raised as part of our family. She had every thing we would give her - raised indoors, trained, got toys, to go for walks on the beach, rides in the truck, the whole 9 yards. But she still tried to bite my husband & succeeded in biting the &^%$# out of me. However, that dog had the best raising we could give her. So she should have been a perfect dog. But she wasn't.

On the flip side of that coin there are dogs out there who are treated to every mistreatment imaginable, yet they still never harm a human.

I leanred a long time ago, no matter "how you raise it" you still can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

IMO, it's solid breeding programs folks. THAT'S what makes the difference.

JMHO ...
Yes, that IS true that bad breeders are a common factor of these ill tempered pitbulls, but how a dog is raised also chimes in.

Like you said, a poorly bred bulldog can still be a manbiter no matter how well it's treated, but there ARE PLENTY of people that actually raise these dogs to be aggressive towards everything.

I've seen my share of people that raise these dogs to not see strangers, making heavy noises and racket and sparking the dog up to be alerted, roughhousing with a young dog until it's growling and aiming it's aggression at a person or someone helping this process, 'siccing' them onto people, loud knocks on doors and staging a break in while provoking your dog to get ready...crazy.

Believe me, you can take a nicely bred bulldog and still twist and distort it's mind to fit it's owners mind. Surely, bad breedings do make bad bulldogs, but bad people can do just the same with a well bred one.

[ABK]

I guess I'm lucky I've never been around anyone so moronic they'd try to mentally twist a dog. The only proof I have are from the horrific abuse cases that are reported where the dog goes through unmentionable things at the hands of humans but is still mentally stable & intact.

As for our dog, she went after my husband at the age of 16 weeks. It was only the fact that she hit the end of her chain before she could get to him that kept her from biting him. I told him right then we needed to cull her b/c she was going to be a man-biter. But he gave me that same old line of blow "she's just a puppy & it's all in how you raise them..." And I was foolish enough at that time to buy that, so I let the subject go.

Then at the age of 2 she bit me badly. We thought it was just b/c she had been sleeping & heard a sound. She just jumped up & bit. Then she looked at me dead in the eyes & came at me again.

Who knows what would have happened had my husband not been there b/c she was a big, hard mouthed bitch. She'd already bit me bad enough the first time, but the second time you could see it in her eyes she was coming back w/ a vengance. But my husband was there & needless to say, she was dead 15 minutes later.

It was an awful thing, made doubly hurtful by the fact that we DID do everything we could to raise her right. It hurt my heart to have her PTS but there was nothing we could do. :(

[Scotsman]

The media has so warped the publics perseption of this breed it is ridiculous, the head line for a story might say dog attack and people just assume it is a pit bull without reading the article, when it isn't. Hell, reporters hear dog attack so they even just right in pit bull without even asking the breed.

Granted the gang banger thugs don't make it easier.

[Lethalpits]

That sucks, ABK =/. I've never had one attack me or even give me the eyes...

Glad your okay, though. That really would put a damper on me.

But yea, when I was a few years younger I'd be around people that raised these dogs in that manner, and then trying to influence these ways onto other people.

Not to mention one of the guys was breeding them =/.

I've learned so much more since then, and nowadays I won't even associate with those people when it comes to dogs. They still try to talk and conversate with me about bulldogs and I'm just like 'uh huh'.

[Michele]

wow ABK.....i'm sorry you went through that

[ABK]

Yea, it wasn't fun. Luckily, she bit me on the butt (of all places!) & I'm a bit on the "fluffy" side so I had some padding. lol.

Why she went for the butt I have no idea. When she went after my husband she only did so after his back was turned to her as well. I'm just glad she didn't get me in the arm, leg or worse, the face!

I didn't have to get any stitches or anything either thank goodness. But she bit me so hard not only did I have punctures from her fang teeth, but I had punctures from all her little teeth too. But she bit & released, so there was no tearing & I doctored myself at home w/ some Bag Balm (the best stuff in the world!!!!). However, I had a nasty bruise about the size of a saucer on my rump for a month!

Needless to say, we stayed away from BYB dogs after that.

I'm glad you're shunning those folks Lethal. They sound like a waste of skin.

[CrazyK9]

You know, I'm glad you said that ABK. I hear people say "it's all in the way you raise 'em!" quite a bit, and like you, I've bit my tongue ...mainly because I don't want people to think pit bulls of unknown history will just 'turn' on you some day, as that is not the case.

Mia, maybe you should take your (or someone else's) best behaved APBT or pit bull mix and do a little PR work. Bake some cookies and print out some information on the breed's temperament. Go ring some doorbells... if they invite you in, that's the perfect opportunity to educate them and let them get first hand experience with your 'vicious' dog. If not, then hey, at least you made a kind gesture.

[ABK]

I agree not all BYB pit bulls will turn. For example, this bitch's bellymate brother was solid as a rock. My point was that some dogs are just fruit loops & no amount of good raising will change that.

Mia - perhaps you could write to the radio company? Maybe that would help?

I know when I heard Bill O' Reilly dissing pit bulls & pit bull owners I wrote in to the show. I don't know if it helped or not, but it made me feel better.

Also, perhaps you could get a CGC or TT on your dogs? That way when neighbors start to freak, you can kindly remind them that your dogs' tempraments have been evaluated & found sound.

[cpowe]

5 out of the 5 radio stations i listen to play walton and johnson every morning untill 10am. i heard them bashing pit bulls for the first time about 6 months ago and i havent wanted to turn the radio on in my truck since then and if i do it's a cd.

[Attila]

I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. I hate. I HATE THEM! :mad:

So the "pit bull' was againg their target of discussion this morning on the radio. Of course you all should know first off that we are all gang bangin' crack slingin' dog fighting criminals as that is the only type of person that owns "pit bulls."

Of course they went of on the attack of th 2 year old girl that happened in the past few days (which I feel horrible about & that dog should've been shot long before he had the chance to do that is it was noted there were plenty of warnings) but they also brought up the infant whose toes were bitten off.........too bad they never got their story straight or just didn't like the real verdict of it being a ferret that did it.

Because of Walton & Johnson, I have already had 3 people just "happen" to call me & then go on & on about why I need to just get rid of my dogs before they "turn" on Cole & kill him. I hung up on all 3 people.

And when I went outside to get the mail, a guy in a truck stopped to talk to me about it all & tell me "in his opinion, my dogs need to go pronto" & that everyone on the street has the same opinion. Now I know this isn't true, but we've got 5 new families on the street & they are complete butts. One of the moms printed out something about how everyone needs to keep their dogs leashed at all times (which I totally agree with), but yet she had a King Charles Spaniel puppy running loose beside her. When I mentioned it, she said, "Well, so & so isn't going to hurt anyone. I don't care about the small dogs. It's the Dobermans, Pit Bulls, & the other dogs on the street that will maul someone's child that I care about." I then proceeded to tell her to get her unleashed dog, which had wandered up to my garage door which wasn't down all the way (& where we now keep all the dogs & their kennels), off my property & that in addition to it hurting a a child, it may very well be bringing viruses into my yard such as parvo that I don't want.

(& the kicker is we've got a family with 2 Dobermans, one already bit a boy, that was doing nothing but playing in the street, on the buttocks, but yet they have voiced their opinions on my "vicious pit bulls")

UGH! I'm so sick & tired of all this crap. And now I feel like I need to be watching my back & watching the dogs at all times.
I hate them too my friend. But damnit. I love the hell out of you. Get em sister.

[Hoyden]

Just wait, it will be in your area soon enough. Were I live 2 hr S.E. of you used to be one of the bulldog friendliest areas I knew. Now we have muzzle laws & dangerous dog laws.

As for how you raise them, I don't buy that at all & every time I hear someone repeat that ingorant blather I just have to restrain myself to keep from either laughting out loud or puking.

It's the BREEDER, not the owner. I once owned a dog who was raised as part of our family. She had every thing we would give her - raised indoors, trained, got toys, to go for walks on the beach, rides in the truck, the whole 9 yards. But she still tried to bite my husband & succeeded in biting the &^%$# out of me. However, that dog had the best raising we could give her. So she should have been a perfect dog. But she wasn't.

On the flip side of that coin there are dogs out there who are treated to every mistreatment imaginable, yet they still never harm a human.

I leanred a long time ago, no matter "how you raise it" you still can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

IMO, it's solid breeding programs folks. THAT'S what makes the difference.

JMHO ...While I know this and agree with you. I find around here, that people who are against pit bulls are of the opinion that ALL pit bulls are bad dogs, no matter WHERE they come from and the breed should be exterminated. No exceptions. That is why we approach it in the manner that we did.

Personally, I feel that any dog that is unsound, irregardless of breed should be euthanized. I don't care if it's a cocker or a chi, if it's unsound, put it down. Period.

[Pitbull219]

I've never heard of this Walton & Johnson show, but I have called a few radio shows in the past when they were discussing "pit bulls". My 60-something year old mother in law even called a show once to tell them how she was terrified when she found out the boy her daughter was dating owned one, but as it turns out was the best dog she'd ever been around.....and this is a woman with many years experience in the dog world. But sadly, only once did I make it past the call screeners. They don't want people that can make a good argument that contradicts the crap they feed to the lemmings. But they will let people on that agree the dogs should be exterminated, or the most ignorant sounding supporters of the breed they can find that are like "yo, pits is the bestest dogs they is" so they can make fun of them and classify all APBT owners as white trash or thugs. It's definitely an uphill battle......

[ABK]

Hoyden: I too thionk ALL unsound dogs regardless of breed should be put down. A bit is a bite as far as I'm concerned. Heck, my husband almost had his eye put out as a child when a Fiest bit him in the face & my mom makes excuses galore for her biting cockers all the time. She likes to bring her male cocker down on vacation w/ her, but I made no bones about it - if the dog bites me, it's dead.

219: Excellent post, you are so right. I once made it on the radio to rebut the jockeys, but the only reason I did was b/c it was a very small, local outfit who didn't have screeners. But if you get a big station, forget it b/c they aren't interested in the truth, they're only interested in ratings. :(