redboy

[chloesredboy]

does anyone want to tell me about redboy dogs?Chloe is my first game-bred dog and she's got alot of redboy/jeep.Ive been lucky enough to talk to a few people about jeep but havent had much luck finding people with redboy .Aside from what my breeder told me i dont know much about them.Please try to use lay terms as im still confused by the bloodlines,thanks.

[jaystreetsA4]

ive read tht redboy was of legendary gameness and is the trait of the line. game but no ability or mouth thus the cross to jeep and jocko for what was missing i think is what i read. post a ped. someone more expereinced with redboy dogs and the dogs in your dogs ped may chime in. :)

[Excelsior-Mom]

does anyone want to tell me about redboy dogs?Chloe is my first game-bred dog and she's got alot of redboy/jeep.Ive been lucky enough to talk to a few people about jeep but havent had much luck finding people with redboy .Aside from what my breeder told me i dont know much about them.Please try to use lay terms as im still confused by the bloodlines,thanks.Your best bet to get an umbias opinion is to google it. and don't forget to check back your thread you could find someone who has a great deal of info. that you can't find anywhere else.
good luck with Chloe, and if you get a chance post a pic and her ped i'd be interested in seeing it.

[chloesredboy]

Your best bet to get an umbias opinion is to google it. and don't forget to check back your thread you could find someone who has a great deal of info. that you can't find anywhere else.
good luck with Chloe, and if you get a chance post a pic and her ped i'd be interested in seeing it.i have pics in my gallery,her ped is still packed away from the move.

[14rock]

Theres so much "redboy" blood out there, there is no real place to start giving you traits until we see where it's coming through. Redboy dogs get a bad rap for being no-ability game plugs, theres so much of it out there in so many diffrent hands, you see just as many high-ability curs, and a whole bunch in the middle somewhere. Post a ped, and we can really give you a better idea.

[MinorThreat]

thats bullsht they dont have mouth or ability, I've seen some pure Redboy dogs that were show stoppers that could crunch. What youve heard is internet bullsht

[CrazyK9]

I've heard the Jeep/Redboy stuff is the total package. Just look at Tab and his offspring (like Gator and KA) for example.

[MIKA]

I don't know much about the jeep bloodline but I do know chloe is one good looking dog.

[chloesredboy]

I don't know much about the jeep bloodline but I do know chloe is one good looking dog.Thanks,I love all my dogs but Chloe is my heart!

[clutch billups]

Since I wrote the original articles on this site under the handle of Mr. Jeep, we have seen quite a bit of interest in the Red Boy line, but I would now like to take this one step further in discussion and deal with what is truly a better all around dog.

To give a quick recap from my previous articles, - Red Boy dogs have been sought out for the gameness that they have been well known for, however with that said a pure, or overly tight Red Boy dog does have its shortcomings and many of these will be addressed here in this article.

The Red Boy blood while contributing greatly to gameness in a line also has a reputation of producing a dumber than average dog, hence the term dumb game. This becomes more apparent when higher percentages of this bloodline are used. There is also another drawback to this line when bred tight and that is in the quality of mouth that these dogs will produce. Tight Red Boy breedings tend to produce dogs with average to below average bite. This is something that is an undesirable trait for those that are looking at being competitive in the world of fast lane competition.

The quality of Red Boy dogs has also diminished as the years have gone on as a result of popularity. Many people today are using tight Red Boy stock that is not based on proven dogs, therefore the line in its pure form is not much better then it would have been 10 years back.

So what is better than Red Boy? How can we avoid the mistakes of those that have only sought out gameness from this line?

Today the best of this line was a result of a cross of the Jeep blood into the Red Boy line itself.

At one time this would have been looked at as a cross, however today the Jeep/Red Boy line is so highly refined that it produces a dog that is as game as the Red Boy line, but without many of the negatives that have been attached to a tighter Red Boy dog.

So what is an ideal combination?

The Jeep/Red Boy dog is no longer a hybrid cross, but rather a combination of the best that these two lines have to offer. It has also been refined over the past 10 years now to produce a dog that is as game as a pure Red Boy dog would be, but without the high percentages of dumb, or soft mouthed dogs that the Red Boy line has been known to produce. Another benefit of the Jeep/Red Boy line was an increase in the quality of the overall dog. You now have a dog with an abundance of gameness, high ability, and a mouth that would rate in the average to above average range depending on the percentages of each bloodline used in its pure form.

The Jeep/Red Boy line seems to offer the best that both lines have to offer in a 75/25 combination. That would be a 75% Jeep dog, with 25% of quality Red Boy blood. The higher the percentage of Red Boy in this mix brings down the quality of this line, as the undesirable traits of the Red Boy line will appear.

The first dog to truly break out and demonstrate the power of this combination was White’s Tab (ROM). Tab is a true 50% Jeep 50% Red Boy cross. Many of Tab’s first successes where dog that came as a result of breeding to Crenshaw’s Irene. Irene was a straight Jeep dog. The combination of Tab and Irene produced the first true tests of this theory. P. Rodriguez was one of the first to own a Tab x Irene dog and that dogs name was Gator. Gator made his championship into some of the best competition around in Rodriguez’s hands. Later due to some financial issues Ch. Gator was sold to Crenshaw who brought out Gator for one more win into some of the finest that Mexico had to offer. The dog then became known as Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator. Gator was a true 75% Jeep 25% Red Boy cross.

Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator was not only a successful combination of the Jeep/Red Boy line, but also ushered in a new generation of dogs that would be based on this successful combination. Gator unfortunately did not live an overly long life, but during his time that he was at stud he proved that he could reproduce these qualities. Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator has since become an ROM producer.

Another dog that is becoming quite well respected, as a producer is a brother to Ch. Gator named White’s K.A..

K.A. is owned solely by Pro Line Kennels, and has demonstrated in the limited number of breedings made with him that he is without a doubt headed towards the ROM list with ease. K.A. would rate in the top 10% of stud dogs alive today. He throws powerfully built dogs that have an abundance of gameness, above average mouth, as well as intelligence. Even in the tightest of breedings that have been made with K.A. there has always been a very high percentage of fast lane dogs.

Many are just starting to catch wind of this dog, and for good reason as well. The quality of offspring that K.A. is producing far exceeds that of any other Jeep/Red Boy dog alive today and at public stud. His sire Tab (ROM) is now part of the history of this breed, but because of his advanced age he has not been popular as a stud dog over the past year or so, and questions remain about his current state of fertility.

For those that have read my articles over the years, or purchased my book; “The Journal – A Book of Pedigrees” the proof is in the pudding. The articles I have written on Red Boy and his offspring have come to prove themselves correct.

Insight is one of the major components to being successful in the dogs, and for those looking to get a look into the future of the Jeep/Red Boy line, you need not look any further then White’s K.A..

K.A. is without a doubt the best producing son of Tab (ROM) and Irene alive today. He is also a dog that has a significant number of highly respected offspring that are fast lane material in percentages that surpass that of his sire Tab (ROM) based on number of breedings.

For those looking to get in on the ground floor of what is truly the best that the Jeep/Red Boy line has to offer, you should be looking no further than K.A.

K.A. as mentioned above is solely owned by Pro Line Kennels. J. Crenshaw himself has stated publicly to many well-known and respected dogmen that K.A. is good one. K.A. is not just a pretty pedigree dog. He’s a well-proven game dog that is producing a caliber of offspring that are of the highest quality that can compete and win against the best that the world of fast lane competition has to offer. Scratchliner Kennels recently became aware of this when they lost with one of their finer bitches to a daughter of K.A..

For more information on K.A. you would be best to contact Pro Line Kennels. They can be reached by clicking the link below.

maybe this will help ??http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif oh yea i found this online i have no idea where it came from i was just lookin around a while back

[chloesredboy]

clutch,Thank you! that was exactly what i was looking for.The jeep stuff was interesting,it said redboy wasnt smart ,but chloe is the smartsest dog ive ever had so maybe the jeep has something to do with it.I really dont know about her mouth though and i really have no desire to find out!Thanks again that was very informative.

[clutch billups]

clutch,Thank you! that was exactly what i was looking for.The jeep stuff was interesting,it said redboy wasnt smart ,but chloe is the smartsest dog ive ever had so maybe the jeep has something to do with it.I really dont know about her mouth though and i really have no desire to find out!Thanks again that was very informative.

no problem http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif any time

[Rockstar]

Most of the Redboy stuff I've owned -and I've owned a lot- weren't lacking in ability whatsoever, but I've yet to have a pure Redboy dog that could crunch, although I know of a few that can.

I've also fed my share of Jeep/Redboy dogs, and honestly I think one is better off, on average, with a pure Jeep or Jeep/Nigerino dog. I believe the Redboy stuff takes more away from these lines than it adds. That being said, I usually prefer a pure Redboy dog over a pure Jeep dog, but, expanding on what 14rock suggested, both lines are so very common now that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find anything above-average from either line, Not to say there aren't true great ones out there, because there most certainly are! They just seem a little more few and far between than they used to be.

Personally, I like the Redboy/Jocko cross more than pretty much any other line, and I like it even more with a modest amount of Tombstone/Eli or Tombstone/Bolio blood crossed in. This is the type of blood that's given me the most success over the years, and this is what I'll continue to work with in the future.

[chloesredboy]

thanks rockstar for an honest opinion without dog bashing!in all honesty im not concerned about my dogs abilities as i have no plans to test her but its all very interesting to know.The lady i got chloe from let me work with her for a year and a half befor i bought chloe and her blood of choice was jeep/redboy cross so thats what i got.i really didnt do much research on any other blood or crosses,i wasnt concerned about having the ultimate game dog,i just wanted something i knew i could have some pride in owning and she hasnt dissapointed me.:D

[clutch billups]

Red Boy was the result of a father/daughter breeding of Teal's Jeff and Mc Leod's Susie Q Gal. Teal's Jeff was off of Teal's Sarge bred to Teal's Lou. Teal's Sarge was a pure Colby dog out of Colby's Dime bred to Colby's Margie. Red Boy was a winning match dog, but his real recognition has been as a producer. Red Boy himself is an established name now which is primarily used today to describe a superior line of dogs that have been dominating the scene for many years now.

The foundation of the Red Boy line can be traced back to two dogs, Bass' Tramp Red Boy and Bass' Cleo. Cleo was a Loposay bred bitch out of Loposay's Cash bred to Loposay's Bobby. This combination of Red Boy/Cleo had produced top quality proven brood females, who in turn were bred back to Red Boy or other inbreed Red Boy studs to strengthen and improve the line. This is an example of how the Red Boy line works. Red Boy was bred to Cleo to produce Bass' Cat, Cat in turn was bred back to Red Boy to produce Marlowe's (Whaley's) Red Feather, Red Feather was then bred back to Red Boy one more time to produce Marlowe's Venom. Venom was bred to Marlowe's Brandy Girl who was off of Red Boy and Cleo, the result was Marlowe's Fanny. Fanny in turn was bred back to Red Boy to produce one of the tightest Red Boy studs of all time Bailey's Bingo.

Bingo has subsequently produced some of the best Red Boy dogs in the world, particularly when bred to Kitten's Peaches a triple bred Red Boy bitch. Kitten's Devil Deacon, also known as W.C.C.'s Deacon ROM, Crenshaw's Hunter Red a soon to be ROM, and Kitten's Ch. Radar Man a dead game match winner are three superior dogs from the Bingo/Peaches breeding. A word of mention here is that when Crenshaw's Ch. Jeep ROM was bred to Marlowe's Fanny the result produced the great Miller's Ch. Cobra. Peaches had an excellent producing sister known as Marlowe's Tabby Girl. Tabby Girl when bred to Crenshaw's Ch. Jeep ROM has produced White's Tab a tremendous producer who will no doubt reach the ROM status in the near future, Ramrod Kennel's Ch. Tramp, and Locke's Bliss a very good producing bitch when bred back to Deacon. The Deacon/Bliss breeding produced the multi winning Don King dog as well as Bailey's Katie an off the chain winner going well over the hour mark for the win.

One of the best Red Boy dogs to ever live was Chavis Ch. Yellow John ROM. Not only was Yellow John a tremendous match dog, he was also a fantastic producer. His most famous offspring without a doubt was the 6xw Tant's Gr. Ch. Yellow. Yellow will be covered in more detail in his own story at a later date. Red Boy and his offspring originated in the Carolina's. What has made the Red Boy line so successful is the fact that all the dogs in the foundation of this line come from proven stock, as told to me by J.C. Shaw. There are not many champion names in a Red Boy pedigree, but rest assured these dog were all proven dogs. The gameness of this line is legendary, and is what has made the Red Boy strain so highly desirable.

These are fast starting fiery dogs with tremendous wind. Some would say that the only draw back to the Red Boy line is the lack of mouth, this is not the case with all Red Boy dogs, but has pretty well been accepted as the truth by most. It really comes down to a list of priorities, gameness versus mouth. Some of the most successful crosses with the Red Boy strain have been with: Red Boy/Jocko, Jeep/Red Boy, Jeep/Red Boy/Rascal, and as mentioned by Bob the Assassin bred dogs. These are all proven crosses that have taken the sporting game to a new level in performance, and there are still more to come. Some kennels are starting to have success with Red Boy/Patrick crosses, and one particular kennel that I know of mentioned the possibility of trying some Red Boy/Boyles crosses from some of their best stock in the near future. These should be some dynamite dogs, but only time will tell.

Some additional Red Boy dogs of note are Marlowe's Ch. Britches, Miller's Red Man a great producer in his day and the sire of Hoffman's Booger ROM, he's one dog that I personally feel has contributed greatly to the Red Boy line but has been forgotten with the passage of time, Marlowe's Rattler the sire of Ch. Britches, Marlowe's Mr. Bulldog the sire of both Peaches and Tabby Girl and Miret's Bud sire of Ch. Gambler.

heres a little more i found hope it helps once again http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Bullyboi]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rockstar again."

I tryed. LOL ;) Good info!

[Marty]

Since I wrote the original articles on this site under the handle of Mr. Jeep, we have seen quite a bit of interest in the Red Boy line, but I would now like to take this one step further in discussion and deal with what is truly a better all around dog.

To give a quick recap from my previous articles, - Red Boy dogs have been sought out for the gameness that they have been well known for, however with that said a pure, or overly tight Red Boy dog does have its shortcomings and many of these will be addressed here in this article.

The Red Boy blood while contributing greatly to gameness in a line also has a reputation of producing a dumber than average dog, hence the term dumb game. This becomes more apparent when higher percentages of this bloodline are used. There is also another drawback to this line when bred tight and that is in the quality of mouth that these dogs will produce. Tight Red Boy breedings tend to produce dogs with average to below average bite. This is something that is an undesirable trait for those that are looking at being competitive in the world of fast lane competition.

The quality of Red Boy dogs has also diminished as the years have gone on as a result of popularity. Many people today are using tight Red Boy stock that is not based on proven dogs, therefore the line in its pure form is not much better then it would have been 10 years back.

So what is better than Red Boy? How can we avoid the mistakes of those that have only sought out gameness from this line?

Today the best of this line was a result of a cross of the Jeep blood into the Red Boy line itself.

At one time this would have been looked at as a cross, however today the Jeep/Red Boy line is so highly refined that it produces a dog that is as game as the Red Boy line, but without many of the negatives that have been attached to a tighter Red Boy dog.

So what is an ideal combination?

The Jeep/Red Boy dog is no longer a hybrid cross, but rather a combination of the best that these two lines have to offer. It has also been refined over the past 10 years now to produce a dog that is as game as a pure Red Boy dog would be, but without the high percentages of dumb, or soft mouthed dogs that the Red Boy line has been known to produce. Another benefit of the Jeep/Red Boy line was an increase in the quality of the overall dog. You now have a dog with an abundance of gameness, high ability, and a mouth that would rate in the average to above average range depending on the percentages of each bloodline used in its pure form.

The Jeep/Red Boy line seems to offer the best that both lines have to offer in a 75/25 combination. That would be a 75% Jeep dog, with 25% of quality Red Boy blood. The higher the percentage of Red Boy in this mix brings down the quality of this line, as the undesirable traits of the Red Boy line will appear.

The first dog to truly break out and demonstrate the power of this combination was White’s Tab (ROM). Tab is a true 50% Jeep 50% Red Boy cross. Many of Tab’s first successes where dog that came as a result of breeding to Crenshaw’s Irene. Irene was a straight Jeep dog. The combination of Tab and Irene produced the first true tests of this theory. P. Rodriguez was one of the first to own a Tab x Irene dog and that dogs name was Gator. Gator made his championship into some of the best competition around in Rodriguez’s hands. Later due to some financial issues Ch. Gator was sold to Crenshaw who brought out Gator for one more win into some of the finest that Mexico had to offer. The dog then became known as Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator. Gator was a true 75% Jeep 25% Red Boy cross.

Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator was not only a successful combination of the Jeep/Red Boy line, but also ushered in a new generation of dogs that would be based on this successful combination. Gator unfortunately did not live an overly long life, but during his time that he was at stud he proved that he could reproduce these qualities. Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator has since become an ROM producer.

Another dog that is becoming quite well respected, as a producer is a brother to Ch. Gator named White’s K.A..

K.A. is owned solely by Pro Line Kennels, and has demonstrated in the limited number of breedings made with him that he is without a doubt headed towards the ROM list with ease. K.A. would rate in the top 10% of stud dogs alive today. He throws powerfully built dogs that have an abundance of gameness, above average mouth, as well as intelligence. Even in the tightest of breedings that have been made with K.A. there has always been a very high percentage of fast lane dogs.

Many are just starting to catch wind of this dog, and for good reason as well. The quality of offspring that K.A. is producing far exceeds that of any other Jeep/Red Boy dog alive today and at public stud. His sire Tab (ROM) is now part of the history of this breed, but because of his advanced age he has not been popular as a stud dog over the past year or so, and questions remain about his current state of fertility.

For those that have read my articles over the years, or purchased my book; “The Journal – A Book of Pedigrees” the proof is in the pudding. The articles I have written on Red Boy and his offspring have come to prove themselves correct.

Insight is one of the major components to being successful in the dogs, and for those looking to get a look into the future of the Jeep/Red Boy line, you need not look any further then White’s K.A..

K.A. is without a doubt the best producing son of Tab (ROM) and Irene alive today. He is also a dog that has a significant number of highly respected offspring that are fast lane material in percentages that surpass that of his sire Tab (ROM) based on number of breedings.

For those looking to get in on the ground floor of what is truly the best that the Jeep/Red Boy line has to offer, you should be looking no further than K.A.

K.A. as mentioned above is solely owned by Pro Line Kennels. J. Crenshaw himself has stated publicly to many well-known and respected dogmen that K.A. is good one. K.A. is not just a pretty pedigree dog. He’s a well-proven game dog that is producing a caliber of offspring that are of the highest quality that can compete and win against the best that the world of fast lane competition has to offer. Scratchliner Kennels recently became aware of this when they lost with one of their finer bitches to a daughter of K.A..

For more information on K.A. you would be best to contact Pro Line Kennels. They can be reached by clicking the link below.

maybe this will help ??http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif oh yea i found this online i have no idea where it came from i was just lookin around a while backPlease correct me if I'm wrong, Whites KA has been dead for about 5 yrs now, I made the last breeding to him with Sheena, I was told 3 days later he was put down from being brain dead from a diabetic coma.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=213155

[Iron Mike]

RED BOY DOGS


For many years I have heard about Red Boy dogs. One of the first persons to popularize them was Katie Marlow also known as Carolina Kitten. She owned Triangle Acres Kennels. Her boyfriend, The Tom Cat, helped her to take care and handle the dogs. I heard, Red Boy dogs were extremely game with no mouth. Red Boy dogs are predominantly red nose and came from the Carolinas. My first thought of Red Boy dogs was, that they were probably Hemphill blood. Why I thought that is because they were red nose and Bob Hemphill was from S. Carolina. I always heard they were Colby blood from Howard Teal. I would see some of Howard’s dogs at conventions at Earl Adams in TN. I don’t ever remember any of Howard’s dogs looking like Red Boy or what he produced. So I started thinking about it more and more. I thought back years ago about other people that had Colby’s bloodline and I don’t remember any of them having dogs like the Red Boy dogs. I thought about people like Bob Neblett, Blair Hetrick’s, Walter Komosinski, J.R. Loposay and of the old Colby dogs. Many years ago I was up to Fergy’s place and he had just received 6 dogs from Medlin from his Outlaw blood. There was no Red Boy blood in them. As I thought about Medlin’s Outlaw dogs without Red Boy blood in them, none of them including Fergy’s were like Red Boy dogs. The 6 dogs that Fergy had were all ten-minute curs. Medlin’s Outlaw and Bass’ Red Boy Tramp were suppose to be half brothers from Teal’s Jeff.

Over the years from seeing and becoming more familiar with Red Boy dogs my opinion changed where they came from. I would see dogs like Deacon and his brother Hunter Red and feel sure there was Hemphill blood in them. Deacon and Hunter Red could pass for our dog Maud’s littermates. Maud was pure Hemphill bloodlines. As I began to see more Red Boy dogs my opinion changed more and more. When I saw Bailey’s Bingo I thought he could pass for Ch. Iron Bear’s twin brother. Especially the white on the muzzle, his mouth and the shape of his front end. Where my opinion greatly changed was when I acquired a pup named Tramp. Tramp's sire was Deacon, his dam was Bailey and Long’s Blitz. Another occasion was when I acquired Jackel, her sire was Bingo and her dam was Lock’s Bliss. Bliss was a full sister to White’s Tab and Ch. Tramp. I bred Tramp to Jackel and the pups grew up to look like their parents.
The look of conformation of Tramp, Jackal and their pups were like our female Gr. Ch. Koko and Corvino’s Shorty.

One of the rumors that I heard about Red Boy dogs was, they come from a dog from South Eastern United States by the name of Ch. Whino. Whino bloodline was from Corvino’s Shorty. Another rumor that Bobby Holland, Yankee Boys and others would tell was that Bass claimed Red Boy’s blood came from TN. that Herbert Storms, Vera Storm’s husband, sent to TN. I knew a lot of people in TN. had similar bloodline like Storms.
If anybody has ever seen the pedigree on Storm’s Dibo, Dibo's dam Stacy’s Taxi and on the topside of the pedigree you will see names like Christie’s Go Go and others. I first encountered George Christie back in the late 60’s early 70’s. George use to advertise in Bloodline Journal. Last time I talked to George he was on his deathbed in the middle 80’s. George and I had some similar stock from some Creed’s dogs. These dogs were based off Louis Baker’s dogs Shorty and Jack.
These were from the Red Devil bloodline.
George Christie sent Herbert Swafford Red Devil bred dogs to TN.
Clarence Yates sent Herbert Swafford (Bred like Spike) and Earl Adams dogs that created Cajun Lulu and Sunset.
If Red Boy was truly from the dogs from TN. This would explain the Hemphill/Red Devil look from Red Boy dogs that are ¾ or pure. I don’t believe this stock is from the Storm’s Dibo but from stock bred similar to her.
By the way, George also owned littermates to Ch. Iron Spike R.O.M.
I believe Red Boy is 75 to 80% Red Devil from Frank Creed of his Corvino/Clouse breeding
from his Stabber and Red Devil dogs.
The rest, 20 to 25% was of Hemphill blood of Herbert Storms or George's stock off Wilder's Mitzie,
(Spike's older brother and sisters or litter mates).

Bass’ Cleo’s pedigree has never been in great question. Cleo’s father was Loposay’s Cash. Cash’s father was Loposay’s Bouncer. Bouncer was a littermate brother to Wise’s Sister Sue, inbred Ross’ Red Devil.
Thus making Bass’ Cleo 25% Ross’ Red Devil bloodline.
If you believe Bass’ Red Boy Tramp’s pedigree is correct his dam would be Mcleod's Susie Q Gal. Susie Q Gal’s dam side would be Frank’s Sugar, Sugar’s mother’s side was pure Creed bloodlines from Rizer’s Bonnie, her sire was Geltz’ Tuffy, Ross’ Red Devil’s littermate brother, Bonnie’s dam was Lady Elgin, Lady Elgin’s pedigree appears in the old Your Friend and Mine published by Pete Sparks.
If my memory serves me right when Lady Elgin was bred to Tuffy it was line breeding like grandfather to granddaughter.

So whichever way you want to believe that Red Boy dogs are bred the FACT remaining is,
there are Ross’ Red Devil bloodlines in the Bass’ Red Boy Tramp bloodlines.

Ross’ Red Devil was predominantly made up of Corvino’s Shorty bloodline. Shorty’s sire was Bruce’s Jerry,
Jerry was from Con Feeley stock of the “Old Family Reds”.

Until next time………………
Yours-in-Sport

D.M. (Iron Mike) Norrod

P.S.Since the time I wrote this story,
I was talking to my brother Dan and he reminded me why we first contacted George Christie years ago.
I remember him having much of the Baker's Jack and Baker's Shorty blood as we had back then.

When George talked about Herbert,
I was pretty sure he meant Herbert Storms,
Dan reminded me the name of the Preacher in TN., who did deals with Clarence Yates and George Cristie,
his name was Herbert Swafford who used to live in Battle Creek and was related to Clarence.

The reason why we contacted George is because he owned full siblings and litter mates to Spike.
Now I remember running the UKC numbers years ago and having all this information wrote down in a file.
There were more then one breeding of Maximillian and Mitzie.

Herbert Swafford was good friends with Earl Adams and that is how Earl got the Yates dogs.
I've been to shows at Earl Adams years ago in the early 70's. Howard Teal would be at a lot of them.
This is where I was told, how and where Red Boy came about.

[TabDogs]

I have redboy dogs. Off of a G-son of Redboy. They have plenty mouth!! I have a younger one that is more inbred, Bingo/Cherry no outs. He is off the repeat breeding, the 1st litter is a little over 2 I beleive, and they can crunch! Guess it all depends on what your redboy is coming thru!!!

[Red Cocaine]

RED BOY DOGS
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Good Read, For me atleast that explained alot

[clutch billups]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Whites KA has been dead for about 5 yrs now, I made the last breeding to him with Sheena, I was told 3 days later he was put down from being brain dead from a diabetic coma.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=213155

he may be marty im really not sure i was just looking for as much info on as many different bloodlines as i could one night and when she asked about redboy i remembered i had that so i figured id share it ... im just learning about all this stuff my self so i apoligize if i posted some boguess info ill keep it to my self from now on ...

[Marty]

he may be marty im really not sure i was just looking for as much info on as many different bloodlines as i could one night and when she asked about redboy i remembered i had that so i figured id share it ... im just learning about all this stuff my self so i apoligize if i posted some boguess info ill keep it to my self from now on ...No you keep it coming, I was just correcting that as that was what I was told ;)

[CrazyK9]

You didn't post any bogus info, clutch, it was just written before KA died ...or at least I assume. Anyone know when that article was published?

[marshall619]

No you keep it coming, I was just correcting that as that was what I was told ;)I think you got it right Marty. I had a talk with Ted about KA awhile back & if I remember correctly, I think it had to do something with his brain. He died around 5 years ago. Proline is also working on their new website as we speak. I will keep you guys/gals posted.

Mel

[Marty]

I think you got it right Marty. I had a talk with Ted about KA awhile back & if I remember correctly, I think it had to do something with his brain. He died around 5 years ago. Proline is also working on their new website as we speak. I will keep you guys/gals posted.

MelWhen they get it up PM me the link ;)

[Iron Mike]

K.A. LMMFAO
You all need to speak to JCShaw about him and the late Tim Murphy screwing him out of the dog.

J.C. didn't know you could stop payment on a money order but with international banking you can.
Tim talked J.C. into shipping the dog as soon as he got the M.O.
Then Tim stop payment on the M.O. and from his own mouth to my ears he told me why he did it was because there was something wrong with K.A.'s d!ck and wouldn't be able to produce.

Now he does... LOL LOL.
Since Ted was suppose to be Tim's partner and the dog ended up producing, why wasn't the dog ever paid for?
Or could he produce?

Eighter way it appears my old friend J.C. got had......
Don't believe me? Ask J.C. or J.K. of SDJ.

[Chef-Kergin]

Always spreadin some knowledge around IM. Last time I saw you post here was when I asked a ? about Maximillian blood last year. Good read on Redboy, too.

[Iron Mike]

Since I wrote the original articles on this site under the handle of Mr. Jeep, we have seen quite a bit of interest in the Red Boy line, but I would now like to take this one step further in discussion and deal with what is truly a better all around dog.

To give a quick recap from my previous articles, - Red Boy dogs have been sought out for the gameness that they have been well known for, however with that said a pure, or overly tight Red Boy dog does have its shortcomings and many of these will be addressed here in this article.

The Red Boy blood while contributing greatly to gameness in a line also has a reputation of producing a dumber than average dog, hence the term dumb game. This becomes more apparent when higher percentages of this bloodline are used. There is also another drawback to this line when bred tight and that is in the quality of mouth that these dogs will produce. Tight Red Boy breedings tend to produce dogs with average to below average bite. This is something that is an undesirable trait for those that are looking at being competitive in the world of fast lane competition.

The quality of Red Boy dogs has also diminished as the years have gone on as a result of popularity. Many people today are using tight Red Boy stock that is not based on proven dogs, therefore the line in its pure form is not much better then it would have been 10 years back.

So what is better than Red Boy? How can we avoid the mistakes of those that have only sought out gameness from this line?

Today the best of this line was a result of a cross of the Jeep blood into the Red Boy line itself.

At one time this would have been looked at as a cross, however today the Jeep/Red Boy line is so highly refined that it produces a dog that is as game as the Red Boy line, but without many of the negatives that have been attached to a tighter Red Boy dog.

So what is an ideal combination?

The Jeep/Red Boy dog is no longer a hybrid cross, but rather a combination of the best that these two lines have to offer. It has also been refined over the past 10 years now to produce a dog that is as game as a pure Red Boy dog would be, but without the high percentages of dumb, or soft mouthed dogs that the Red Boy line has been known to produce. Another benefit of the Jeep/Red Boy line was an increase in the quality of the overall dog. You now have a dog with an abundance of gameness, high ability, and a mouth that would rate in the average to above average range depending on the percentages of each bloodline used in its pure form.

The Jeep/Red Boy line seems to offer the best that both lines have to offer in a 75/25 combination. That would be a 75% Jeep dog, with 25% of quality Red Boy blood. The higher the percentage of Red Boy in this mix brings down the quality of this line, as the undesirable traits of the Red Boy line will appear.

The first dog to truly break out and demonstrate the power of this combination was White’s Tab (ROM). Tab is a true 50% Jeep 50% Red Boy cross. Many of Tab’s first successes where dog that came as a result of breeding to Crenshaw’s Irene. Irene was a straight Jeep dog. The combination of Tab and Irene produced the first true tests of this theory. P. Rodriguez was one of the first to own a Tab x Irene dog and that dogs name was Gator. Gator made his championship into some of the best competition around in Rodriguez’s hands. Later due to some financial issues Ch. Gator was sold to Crenshaw who brought out Gator for one more win into some of the finest that Mexico had to offer. The dog then became known as Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator. Gator was a true 75% Jeep 25% Red Boy cross.

Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator was not only a successful combination of the Jeep/Red Boy line, but also ushered in a new generation of dogs that would be based on this successful combination. Gator unfortunately did not live an overly long life, but during his time that he was at stud he proved that he could reproduce these qualities. Crenshaw’s Ch. Gator has since become an ROM producer.

Another dog that is becoming quite well respected, as a producer is a brother to Ch. Gator named White’s K.A..

K.A. is owned solely by Pro Line Kennels, and has demonstrated in the limited number of breedings made with him that he is without a doubt headed towards the ROM list with ease. K.A. would rate in the top 10% of stud dogs alive today. He throws powerfully built dogs that have an abundance of gameness, above average mouth, as well as intelligence. Even in the tightest of breedings that have been made with K.A. there has always been a very high percentage of fast lane dogs.

Many are just starting to catch wind of this dog, and for good reason as well. The quality of offspring that K.A. is producing far exceeds that of any other Jeep/Red Boy dog alive today and at public stud. His sire Tab (ROM) is now part of the history of this breed, but because of his advanced age he has not been popular as a stud dog over the past year or so, and questions remain about his current state of fertility.

For those that have read my articles over the years, or purchased my book; “The Journal – A Book of Pedigrees” the proof is in the pudding. The articles I have written on Red Boy and his offspring have come to prove themselves correct.

Insight is one of the major components to being successful in the dogs, and for those looking to get a look into the future of the Jeep/Red Boy line, you need not look any further then White’s K.A..

K.A. is without a doubt the best producing son of Tab (ROM) and Irene alive today. He is also a dog that has a significant number of highly respected offspring that are fast lane material in percentages that surpass that of his sire Tab (ROM) based on number of breedings.

For those looking to get in on the ground floor of what is truly the best that the Jeep/Red Boy line has to offer, you should be looking no further than K.A.

K.A. as mentioned above is solely owned by Pro Line Kennels. J. Crenshaw himself has stated publicly to many well-known and respected dogmen that K.A. is good one. K.A. is not just a pretty pedigree dog. He’s a well-proven game dog that is producing a caliber of offspring that are of the highest quality that can compete and win against the best that the world of fast lane competition has to offer. Scratchliner Kennels recently became aware of this when they lost with one of their finer bitches to a daughter of K.A..

For more information on K.A. you would be best to contact Pro Line Kennels. They can be reached by clicking the link below.

maybe this will help ??http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif oh yea i found this online i have no idea where it came from i was just lookin around a while back
Oh I can tell you.....................................
I almost missed it going through this thread.
Mr. Jeep was the handle used by the late Tim Murphy years ago as well as a few other handles.
He really didn't know dick what he was talking about.
He wasn't in dogs for even 10 years.
In the end he was one of Tom Garner's crownies.
Tim created Sporting Dog Online website and run it until his death.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/realdogs/index.html

[Rockstar]

He really didn't know dick what he was talking about.I have to agree with that. The level of bullshit in this one article alone leads me to believe that he doesn't know a Redboy dog from a Siamese pussy.

[Iron Mike]

Oh BTW we all found out K.A. couldn't out produce Ch. Gator when he has a son like Gr. Ch. Black Jack R.O.M.

[dogman2007]

there lots of redboy dogs out there and most of them are game and not all of them make it to the box.it also depends on which stuff ur dogs out off,ive seen excellent redboy dogs,the blood cross well with the jeep dogs,it good blood to have on ur yard.

[jaystreetsA4]

i've heard great things about PIK's Boomer ROM dog. what you guys think about him?

[masta of game]

thought someone said boomer holds title for best producer nowadays... if memory serves me correct i read it on this forum

[yellaman420]

A buddy of mine was talking to me about how many different bloodlines the Creed dogs have been in and improved. Some of that heavier bone structure and all day long attitude are great to have on any highly competitive dog. I need to get my bills paid up and spend a day or 2 at IM's shoveling and listening.

[Iron Mike]

Good, glad you liked it. :)

[Outsider]

Iron Mike, Do you recall a guy in the Carolinas named George "Boss Hog" that use to run RB, RedDevil and old Cotton's Bullet dogs?

[Iron Mike]

Yes, I believe I do.

[Outsider]

My buddy hooked up with George back in the early 80's while stationed in the Carolinas..I've got pictures somewhere of sons and daughters off of RedBoy..Joker was one of them...anyway...he got a male dog from George that was a RedBoyxRedDevil cross and my buddy said was and still is the best dog he ever had!

[Outsider]

....come to think about it...Joker might of been off a Frog...I can't remember it's been so long..he told me some crazy stories of his time in the Carolinas!! Being from SoCalif I would tell some of my bulldog friends about these RB dogs and they didn't even know what a RedBoy dog was!

[frenchie1936]

the craze over RB/Jeep/Jocko dogs is ridiculous. what the frick ever happened to trying to create your own bloodline that has everything you could ever want from an APBT? sure you have to start somewhere and use someone elses blood, but i see too many kennels running solely one type of bloodline. i have a female that was a gift and she is Jeep/Sorrells. and ya know what? she's a rank f*cking cur. but i love her so i feed her. people like to breed dogs based on one or two dogs from that line being extremely game or really good producers. find a line that has withstood the test of time and proves itself game time and again. and then find another that would cross well. individuality is one of the biggest things missing in the world of dogs these days. i personally prefer Eli dogs, but i don't run solely that. and what i have besides that (except the jeep/sorrells bitch) has no eli heritage at all. creativeness and individuality are the two things i feel will continue to bring excellent fast lane bulldogs into the world. not running someone elses stock and calling it yours. JMO, wtf do i know.

[MinorThreat]

from your silly post, sounds like you dont know much really

[Iron Mike]

....come to think about it...Joker might of been off a Frog...I can't remember it's been so long..he told me some crazy stories of his time in the Carolinas!! Being from SoCalif I would tell some of my bulldog friends about these RB dogs and they didn't even know what a RedBoy dog was!

Frog, do you mean Summer's Frog from Pit Stop Kennels of Ohio?
J. had some Red Devil blood from Lymen K. and he crossed it.
The person who runs the Tudor board also had a Gr. Ch. from that line of which L.K. and I put together back in the late 70's and early 80's off Ch. Iron Bear and his half sister off Ch. Iron Spike R.O.M.. It is from these dogs PSK of Ohio dogs came from. Frog was from the Red Boy bloodline and the Red Boy blood they used was as good as any out. I saw much of it and thought VERY HIGHLY OF IT, but what do I know? :)

[frenchie1936]

from your silly post, sounds like you dont know much really


whatever you say bud ;)

[Outsider]

Yup..AGREE! I'll try and find some of them old pics..my buddy noted the breeding on the back of the pics..Boss Hog is in one of those pics in the background, my buddy holding Joker just before his hunt..

[MinorThreat]

lol nice to see some sense of humor around here :) I dont agree with your insight on this one though. I'll back my take a bit later when I have more time

[Bullyson]

french, you've gotta start somewhere.
Anyhow, I've yet to see a great, or even good jeep/RB cross. Im not going to sit here and lie and say Ive seen a bunch because I havent. But what I did see didnt impress me at all. I have heard good things about RB/Jocko stuff though.

[spaceghost]

BASS' TRAMP RED BOY
Red Boy was the result of a father/daughter breeding of Teal's Jeff and Mc Leod's Susie Q Gal. Teal's Jeff was off of Teal's Sarge bred to Teal's Lou. Teal's Sarge was a pure Colby dog out of Colby's Dime bred to Colby's Margie. This combination of Red Boy/Cleo had produced top quality proven brood females, who in turn were bred back to Red Boy or other inbred Red Boy studs to strengthen and improve the line. The gameness of this line is legendary, and is what has made the Red Boy strain so highly desirable. These are fast starting fiery dogs with tremendous wind. Some would say that the only draw back to the Red Boy line is the lack of mouth, this is not the case with all Red Boy dogs, but has pretty well been accepted as the truth by most. It really comes down to a list of priorities, gameness versus mouth.

His classic match against Cables Fang exemplifies that:
1st match: - Mr. Bass vs. William Cable - males @ 52 lbs. J. Adams - referee. J.C. Vincent is handling a red-red nosed dog that he been conditioned for this match by Howard T. He's called Red Boy. William Cable conditioned and handled his two-time winner Fang, a red dog black mask. Fang in Red Boy's chest and has a good hold and stays there. Red Boy trying to get him out with ear holds. At 9 minutes a turn is called on Fang, but he's in hold with Red Boy's leg in his mouth. Handled at 17 minutes Fang scratches good. Red Boy scratches at 21 minutes and comes to the top fighting the head. Fang evens things up fighting the back end at 28 minutes. Red Boy on the nose. 30 minutes Fang scratches. The dogs are handled again at 33 minutes and the referee makes an error and Fang scratches again. Three more scratches by Red Boy and two by Fang and at 1 hour 2 minutes Fang is to scratch. He wanders off to a neutral corner and is counted out. Bass' Tramp Red Boy wins.

The Red Boy dogs gained their fame in the Carolina's, but their main introduction into the fast lane came with the cross of Ch. Jocko. Jocko, a Carolina dog himself, was a pit intelligent dog with good biting ability, something the Red Boy dogs did not have. Red Boy dogs were extremely game soft mouth dogs, with the exception of Chavis Ch Yellow John. Yellow John was the first of the Red Boy breeding to earn the title of champion. He was a 43lb. buckskin dog that won three in th South in 1980-1981. Yellow John went on to produce some of the most honest bulldogs of modern times Tant's Gr.Ch. Yellow. STP's Gr. Ch. John Boy, STP's Ch. Sassy, Super Gnat's' Boots (who holds the record for the longest recorded match in history, going 4:52 for the win), Melvin's 5X winner JR. and others.

The Red Boy/Jocko cross continue to live on today and are exceptional fast lane dogs. Some of the most successful crosses with the Red Boy strain have been with: Red Boy/Jocko, Jeep/Red Boy, Jeep/Red Boy/Rascal, and more recently Red Boy/Patrick. These are all proven crosses that have taken the sporting game to a new level in performance. Some additional Red Boy dogs of note are Marlowe's Ch. Britches, Miller's Red Man a great producer in his day and the sire of Hoffman's Booger ROM, Marlowe's Rattler the sire of Ch. Britches, Marlowe's Mr. Bulldog the sire of both Peaches, Tabby Girl and Miret's Bud, who sired Ch. Gambler, and O. Stevens' Red Ape, who has produced Ch. Bear, Ch. Irish Rebel and many other winners.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

[Iron Mike]

french, you've gotta start somewhere.
Anyhow, I've yet to see a great, or even good jeep/RB cross. Im not going to sit here and lie and say Ive seen a bunch because I havent. But what I did see didnt impress me at all. I have heard good things about RB/Jocko stuff though.

To bad you haven't seen more because I have seen plenty.
Tom Cat's Gr. Ch. Tank, Ramrod's Ch. Tramp, Woodall's Crash just name a couple.

Personally I wouldn't give two cents for the over sized Red Boy/Jocko dogs.
If it wasn't for the Red Boy in them they never would have produced anything.
Name a quality dog off Ch. Jocko or Ch. Argus that was worth a crap without Red Boy in it?
Jeep has produced many champions without Red Boy bloodline in it.
Same as Red Boy has without Jeep in the bloodline.

[Iron Mike]

BTW if you are going to copy and paste stories from authors who didn't have correct information you shouldn't post them.
Ch. Yellow John was a light red/red nose dog and was a 4xw not a 3xw.
And he was shot when he nipped Donny's kid.

[Bullyson]

Everyone has their opinion Mike. I'm no where near being close to having the experience you do so I'll take your word for it. ;)To bad you haven't seen more because I have seen plenty.
Tom Cat's Gr. Ch. Tank, Ramrod's Ch. Tramp, Woodall's Crash just name a couple.

Personally I wouldn't give two cents for the over sized Red Boy/Jocko dogs.
If it wasn't for the Red Boy in them they never would have produced anything.
Name a quality dog off Ch. Jocko or Ch. Argus that was worth a crap without Red Boy in it?
Jeep has produced many champions without Red Boy bloodline in it.
Same as Red Boy has without Jeep in the bloodline.

[Buliwyf]

Donny is no relation to the owner of Gr. Ch Weehunt, if that tells you anything. :)

[JBlazeRx7]

Wow it's great to read about all these dog's from ppl who've been there. Please keep it comen!:)

[JBlazeRx7]

:confused:

[littlecountry]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=277209

I got this little guy and he is at 7 month every thing i could ask for in a pup little one track minded if you know what i mean but 25.1 lbs full of fire he is one of the best little dogs ive had in a while once you get his attention im very pleased with him and i dont think i could have done better on a 3rd pick