what bloodline throw which traits?

[jaybird]

I am going to the bellivlle show here in michigan in a few weeks justwondering what bloodlines I should inquire about. I am not looking to start a yard or breeding program I just want a larger pit maybe 65-75 lb range for male very active with a hard mouth.I like to spend time working my dog and would like a active working pit that is straight foward and wont be dominated by anything. my dog is pretty much my homeboy and i spend lots of time on spring pole and other activities with them. I like them to be protective as well of me, not crazed man biters but just a good all around bull dog.My female I had died of cancer few months ago and I am going to go to show and talk to people and see if I can find a good solid dog for myself any help would be greatly appreciated.

[CrazyK9]

Well, I know the Mayday stuff is usually on the large side and those dogs definitely have mouth.

[simms]

Well, I know the Mayday stuff is usually on the large side and those dogs definitely have mouth.

and what do you consider large? Mayday was fluke of his own genetics. where are you getting that info.....

[Old Timer]

I am going to the bellivlle show here in michigan in a few weeks justwondering what bloodlines I should inquire about. I am not looking to start a yard or breeding program I just want a larger pit maybe 65-75 lb range for male very active with a hard mouth.I like to spend time working my dog and would like a active working pit that is straight foward and wont be dominated by anything. my dog is pretty much my homeboy and i spend lots of time on spring pole and other activities with them. I like them to be protective as well of me, not crazed man biters but just a good all around bull dog.My female I had died of cancer few months ago and I am going to go to show and talk to people and see if I can find a good solid dog for myself any help would be greatly appreciated.sounds to me like your not going to find what your looking for in a gamebred dog.the proper bred ones won't be as large as your looking for.and they won't have the slightest thought to bite anyone since they ain't protection dogs.maybe try a rottie or something like that they are large and protective.

[JAGER]

sounds to me like your not going to find what your looking for in a gamebred dog.the proper bred ones won't be as large as your looking for.and they won't have the slightest thought to bite anyone since they ain't protection dogs.maybe try a rottie or something like that they are large and protective.why dont you just get a blue RE./GOTTI "IMO" they look nice , 70 - 90 lbs promised , big mouth, (from what i hear ) theyr known to be nice to onlythere owner, intimidating looking dog as well but its not going to be your APBT
i think those dogs are cool. but im a APBT fan so ill stick with the 30 - 60 lbs not to big not to small, loyal to me, good with everyone, even kids, happy go lucky kind of dog

[Old Timer]

why dont you just get a blue RE./GOTTI "IMO" they look nice , 70 - 90 lbs promised , big mouth, theyr mean to alot of people except there owner, intimidating looking dog as well but its not going to be your APBT
i think those dogs are cool. but im a APBT fan so ill stick with the 30 - 60 lbs not to big not to small, loyal to me, good with everyone, even kids, happy go lucky kind of dogthe reason i didn't recomend one of those was when the dog bites someone it will be labeled as another pitbull attack.and thats the last thing we need.this boy doesn't need to have any bulldog if he is wanting it to be a protection dog.ain't no sense in feeding the idiots who breed these animals pockets and causing us responsible breeders more headache.

[chloesredboy]

I am going to the bellivlle show here in michigan in a few weeks justwondering what bloodlines I should inquire about. I am not looking to start a yard or breeding program I just want a larger pit maybe 65-75 lb range for male very active with a hard mouth.I like to spend time working my dog and would like a active working pit that is straight foward and wont be dominated by anything. my dog is pretty much my homeboy and i spend lots of time on spring pole and other activities with them. I like them to be protective as well of me, not crazed man biters but just a good all around bull dog.My female I had died of cancer few months ago and I am going to go to show and talk to people and see if I can find a good solid dog for myself any help would be greatly appreciated.i have huge male that im trying to adopt out,dont know about his mouth but i cant control him hes strong and very active,beautiful orange and black brindle,he's not protective though that i can tell.most pits are not good gurd dogs,but here he is anyway.

[JAGER]

the reason i didn't recomend one of those was when the dog bites someone it will be labeled as another pitbull attack.and thats the last thing we need.this boy doesn't need to have any bulldog if he is wanting it to be a protection dog.ain't no sense in feeding the idiots who breed these animals pockets and causing us responsible breeders more headache.thats why i added this in my message " im a APBT fan so ill stick with the 30 - 60 lbs not to big not to small, loyal to me, good with everyone, even kids, happy go lucky kind of dog" hopefully it will make him think

[Old Timer]

thats why i added this in my message " im a APBT fan so ill stick with the 30 - 60 lbs not to big not to small, loyal to me, good with everyone, even kids, happy go lucky kind of dog" hopefully it will make him thinkyeah i figured thats what it was in there for but even then if he is wanting it to protect him i feel uneasy http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[maximusab]

Get an American Bulldog. Why get an out of standard poorly bred pitbull when you can get the perfect dog for what you want in an already established breed? THey are much better as a protection dog anyway. Get a hybrid bred dog that leans more to the Scott or performance bred dogs. You will get a very hard mouthed, active, naturaly protective dog. However be warned. They are a handfull. They are a big responsibility. And if that dogs bites someone in the wrong situation then pitbulls still get the blame. Because most people including the ASPCA are very uneducated and can't tell the difference.

[ABK]

I think the breed that will best suit you jaybird would be the American Bulldog. They're in the size range you want, they often have hard mouths & they are protective & devoted to family. I know a guy who uses one for a yard guard. That dog is 130lbs of don't play.

[chloesredboy]

Get an American Bulldog. Why get an out of standard poorly bred pitbull when you can get the perfect dog for what you want in an already established breed? THey are much better as a protection dog anyway. Get a hybrid bred dog that leans more to the Scott or performance bred dogs. You will get a very hard mouthed, active, naturaly protective dog. However be warned. They are a handfull. They are a big responsibility. And if that dogs bites someone in the wrong situation then pitbulls still get the blame. Because most people including the ASPCA are very uneducated and can't tell the difference.American bulldogs are good for protection?anyone knoe of any good breeders with wedsites where i could learn about them?

[simms]

I am going to the bellivlle show here in michigan in a few weeks justwondering what bloodlines I should inquire about. I am not looking to start a yard or breeding program I just want a larger pit maybe 65-75 lb range for male very active with a hard mouth.I like to spend time working my dog and would like a active working pit that is straight foward and wont be dominated by anything. my dog is pretty much my homeboy and i spend lots of time on spring pole and other activities with them. I like them to be protective as well of me, not crazed man biters but just a good all around bull dog.My female I had died of cancer few months ago and I am going to go to show and talk to people and see if I can find a good solid dog for myself any help would be greatly appreciated.

Go to the pound ....save a life. There are plenty to choose from, i'll bet theres one that suits you.

[maximusab]

There are some good breeders. Be careful who you buy from. Trust me spend the money and go to a well known breeder. Search for Joshua Kennels, Sure Grip Kennels, Sanders Kennels, Konfederate Kennels, Jack Osgood breeds great bulldogs. Call any of these guys and they will lead you in the right direction. Just stay away from BYB's. Esp with AB's




American bulldogs are good for protection?anyone knoe of any good breeders with wedsites where i could learn about them?

[NcPrisonGuard]

American bulldogs are good for protection?anyone knoe of any good breeders with wedsites where i could learn about them?

A very good friend of mine purchased an American Bulldog from http://www.swampdogkennels.com/ A few years ago and this dog is as bad as I've ever seen. He's 125 pounds of ass whoop.. I don't even walk up in his yard and that dog knows me but thats as protective a dog as I've ever without training and he hunts hog with him as well great catch dog too.

[jaybird]

I am sorry maybe I was miss understood because if you ask for info on a larger pitbull people assume you want a 100 lb. dog which i didnt re. gottie razors edge. which I didnt. I was lookin for a dog around the 65 lbs. or so, far from gottie razors edge size. I never said I needed a game breed pit either, I dont plan on breeding it or showing it, matching it, or doing anything except exercising it and spending my time with it. Tudors black jack was a big pit same with may day and some rozmus dogs also Ironline says on his web that his dogs can be 65 on the top end and that his dogs are protective of their owners does that mean his are any less real pits? Thanks for the reply about am bulls but I dont think they are very active and tend to be like the gotti dogs and such plus they have health problems. I dont like rottie been bit by one as a kid.My female that died of cancer was around 55 lbs or so had a hard mouth loved to work was protective of the house and loved kids.I dont believe any other breed loves their owners as much as a pit which is why I want one and not anything else. She was the best dam all around dog I ever had, and I adopted her from somebody that dumped her off. I am considering adopting another one also. I just want to get a good dog for myself and figured people here would know what dogs tend to have a little more size than say a 35 lb dog and were just good working dogs thats all. All I am looking for is a good size workin dog thats all doesnt mean I want a 100lb. 1/2 mastiff 1/2 pit, if thats what i was lookin for I would have asked that. If any one has helpull info I very much appreciate it and thank you for it.And thank you again for the people who are helping me out. I will look into am bulls but I have heard many bad things about there health, and my friend had one but it wasnt active but he may have a poorly bred one I dont know.

[CynthiaATL]

the reason i didn't recomend one of those was when the dog bites someone it will be labeled as another pitbull attack.and thats the last thing we need.this boy doesn't need to have any bulldog if he is wanting it to be a protection dog.ain't no sense in feeding the idiots who breed these animals pockets and causing us responsible breeders more headache.
Exactly if you want a protection dog an APBT is not the breed you are looking for!

[jaybird]

I dont want a pit for protection as much as for its desire to work and its personality with kids. I have nieces and nephews over all the time and all my friends kids they used to ride my girl like a horse. My nieces loved my dog. She just wouldnt let someone who didnt belong into the house but if you did belong she loved everyone thats all. I have owned a doberman before and he was totally unpredictable with people and dogs were as my pit pretty much loved everyone except dirtballs.

[chloesredboy]

There are some good breeders. Be careful who you buy from. Trust me spend the money and go to a well known breeder. Search for Joshua Kennels, Sure Grip Kennels, Sanders Kennels, Konfederate Kennels, Jack Osgood breeds great bulldogs. Call any of these guys and they will lead you in the right direction. Just stay away from BYB's. Esp with AB'soh im not looking to buy just want learn about them.Thanks for the kennel names i will look at them ,i just want to see standards,personalitie and such.

[maximusab]

Whoever told you that AB's aren't active doesn't know what they are talking about. That or the only AB they have seen is a crappy extreme Johnson type dog. These are about as much AB as a 120lbs Gotti dog is APBT. If you get a hog dog bred AB you are getting more dog then you will probally ever use. Way more drive then most APBT's. Comparing a good working AB to a Gotti line dog is like comparing a Corvette to a Honda Accord.

They may not be as dog aggressive unless you get a heavy bred Painter dog, which are as dog aggressive as any pitbull. MY AB was out of heavy Man O War hog dog lines and he would chew through a fence and kill anything on four legs. He ripped open two dog crates and got out. His mother was shot for killing livestock.

That being said he was great in the house after about 9 months old. And he was the best natural protector I have ever seen in any breed. And I have seen them all. He loved my children. He stopped an attempted home invasion when my wife an 1 year old son were home alone. Alot of these so called AB's you see around town are just shells of a breed not unlike alot of the APBT's you now see. They are a fad breed just like APBT's and are being ruined just the same.




I am sorry maybe I was miss understood because if you ask for info on a larger pitbull people assume you want a 100 lb. dog which i didnt re. gottie razors edge. which I didnt. I was lookin for a dog around the 65 lbs. or so, far from gottie razors edge size. I never said I needed a game breed pit either, I dont plan on breeding it or showing it, matching it, or doing anything except exercising it and spending my time with it. Tudors black jack was a big pit same with may day and some rozmus dogs also Ironline says on his web that his dogs can be 65 on the top end and that his dogs are protective of their owners does that mean his are any less real pits? Thanks for the reply about am bulls but I dont think they are very active and tend to be like the gotti dogs and such plus they have health problems. I dont like rottie been bit by one as a kid.My female that died of cancer was around 55 lbs or so had a hard mouth loved to work was protective of the house and loved kids.I dont believe any other breed loves their owners as much as a pit which is why I want one and not anything else. She was the best dam all around dog I ever had, and I adopted her from somebody that dumped her off. I am considering adopting another one also. I just want to get a good dog for myself and figured people here would know what dogs tend to have a little more size than say a 35 lb dog and were just good working dogs thats all. All I am looking for is a good size workin dog thats all doesnt mean I want a 100lb. 1/2 mastiff 1/2 pit, if thats what i was lookin for I would have asked that. If any one has helpull info I very much appreciate it and thank you for it.And thank you again for the people who are helping me out. I will look into am bulls but I have heard many bad things about there health, and my friend had one but it wasnt active but he may have a poorly bred one I dont know.

[jaystreetsA4]

interesting thread. i was thinkng ab's as well when i read the OP's desires in a dog. good luck in your search.

[Excelsior-Mom]

I am going to the bellivlle show here in michigan in a few weeks justwondering what bloodlines I should inquire about. I am not looking to start a yard or breeding program I just want a larger pit maybe 65-75 lb range for male very active with a hard mouth.I like to spend time working my dog and would like a active working pit that is straight foward and wont be dominated by anything. my dog is pretty much my homeboy and i spend lots of time on spring pole and other activities with them. I like them to be protective as well of me, not crazed man biters but just a good all around bull dog.My female I had died of cancer few months ago and I am going to go to show and talk to people and see if I can find a good solid dog for myself any help would be greatly appreciated.I have to say the Plummers Ch Alligator line.

[CrazyK9]

and what do you consider large? Mayday was fluke of his own genetics. where are you getting that info.....From studying pedigrees, I've noticed dogs of mainly Mayday (Yellow) blood were typically over 50lbs chain weight. I consider that large, definitely. Mayday was a freak! And although most of his offspring aren't nearly as huge, they are still big... but then again, I've seen just as many in the 40-50lb range. (Hell, I still consider that a bit on the larger side, lol.)

[Chef-Kergin]

jaybird - i'll see in you belleville, gonna take the little girl I got to the two AADR shows comin up this spring and early summer ;) You can see her in my gallery, keep your eye peeled for her at the show. Mr. Williams gave her sire enough points to be an aadr conf. ch. last year; maybe she'll show decent in that ring, too.

[Scotsman]

I hope you find what you are looking for, but here is a question; have you ever handled a 65-70lbs gamebred dog? It is not like walking a lab or boxer, they see a cat or another dog run in front of them and you really have to work to keep them under control, it isn't fun. And to be honest ignorant people are just as afriad of a 35-40lb APBT are they are a 65lb APBT.

[ABK]

jaybird - not all ABs are massive monsters. The Painter, Hines & Scott bred dogs are smaller, some even 65 - 75 & some look similiar to a white pit bull.

The only diff is APBTs were not bred to protect, while an AB will protect his a.. off.

[BoogiemanBlood]

She was the best dam all around dog I ever had, and I adopted her from somebody that dumped her off. then why not just adopt another one and be done with it if you're just looking for a pet? putting money into a working dog for no reason is kinda silly imo. sounds like another pound dog would suit you just fine for what you want. it's not like they are all garbage either. some i'm sure are very good dogs.

[YoungLion]

[QUOTE=jaybird] justwondering what bloodlines I should inquire about.


I love the Larger Catchwieght Dogs. I like the dogs down from Plumber's CH.Alligator . you might find what you are looking for within that bloodline size and mouth wise. there are different strains of this line and 55+ is not rare in this bloodline. good luck sounds like you know what you are looking for hope ya find it.

God bless

[miakoda]

jaybird - not all ABs are massive monsters. The Painter, Hines & Scott bred dogs are smaller, some even 65 - 75 & some look similiar to a white pit bull.

The only diff is APBTs were not bred to protect, while an AB will protect his a.. off.I agree. I suggest you read up/study on AB's. The Johnson line has fallen victim of being bred strictly for looks & size nothing more. And this is by the man himself. He ruined & is continuing to ruin his own dogs.

The other lines mentioned & even most of your hybrids are in the 60-90lb range.

And when did "catchweight pit bulls" become such a thing? I use my 35-55lb dogs as catch dogs & personally I've never seen any better (not better than my dogs but better out of that weight range). You don't have to have some oversized, out of standard, freak monster to catch a hog. That's just what the bybs & peddlers would like you to believe.

[jaybird]

Yeah ill look for you nice dogs man they are beautiful i really like the amber one and aubrey.jaybird - i'll see in you belleville, gonna take the little girl I got to the two AADR shows comin up this spring and early summer ;) You can see her in my gallery, keep your eye peeled for her at the show. Mr. Williams gave her sire enough points to be an aadr conf. ch. last year; maybe she'll show decent in that ring, too.

[jaybird]

Thanks for all the info i really appreciate it i am just tryin to make a wise choice before i buy anything, and i just may rescue another one as well. I just really enjoyed working the girl i had i will post pics of her on springpole if i can get them off my phone.I will also look into the ab's i must have just seen a lame one. The plumbers alligator i was lookin into but i noticed they had a few with over and under bites is this comon? they were exspensive for being defected also.Thanks again and i am not going to rush into anything i will go to show and continue to research because i will be spending hopefully 10 - 15 years with the dog. also will an ab get along with a pit if the pit insnt game bred say if i adopted a pit and purchased an ab?

[215pitts]

Don't forget about the OFR's

[simms]

Thanks for all the info i really appreciate it i am just tryin to make a wise choice before i buy anything, and i just may rescue another one as well. I just really enjoyed working the girl i had i will post pics of her on springpole if i can get them off my phone.I will also look into the ab's i must have just seen a lame one. The plumbers alligator i was lookin into but i noticed they had a few with over and under bites is this comon? they were exspensive for being defected also.Thanks again and i am not going to rush into anything i will go to show and continue to research because i will be spending hopefully 10 - 15 years with the dog. also will an ab get along with a pit if the pit insnt game bred say if i adopted a pit and purchased an ab? If your considering an AB, dont get one that is white. All the AB that i have delt with have been primarely white and all had skin conditions and or allergies! Ab also require a strong hand from the start.

[ABK]

Most ABs are white or mostly white. If you saw a white AB that has a genetic fault it was a fluke.

Here is a link to the ABA AB standard:
http://www.american-bulldog.com/aba_standard.htm

jaybird - if you want to know more about ABs, PM Mia. I think she owns an AB.

[simms]

Most ABs are white or mostly white. If you saw a white AB that has a genetic fault it was a fluke.

Here is a link to the ABA AB standard:
http://www.american-bulldog.com/aba_standard.htm

jaybird - if you want to know more about ABs, PM Mia. I think she owns an AB.
Ive seen many AB with skin conditions and or allergies. fluke maybe or maybe not.

[jaybird]

hey thanks for all the info im heading to new york tonite and will check up on the info tomorow thanks again

[BoogiemanBlood]

Thanks for all the info i really appreciate it i am just tryin to make a wise choice before i buy anything, and i just may rescue another one as well. I just really enjoyed working the girl i had i will post pics of her on springpole if i can get them off my phone.I will also look into the ab's i must have just seen a lame one. The plumbers alligator i was lookin into but i noticed they had a few with over and under bites is this comon? they were exspensive for being defected also.Thanks again and i am not going to rush into anything i will go to show and continue to research because i will be spending hopefully 10 - 15 years with the dog. also will an ab get along with a pit if the pit insnt game bred say if i adopted a pit and purchased an ab?sounds like you will think it through before you act so good luck. as far as the ab and the apbt getting along, i'd have to say no. even if one is submissive to the other eventually you will have a fight imo. supervised time together only would be the way i went. my buddy had both and had a yard accident or two.

[ABK]

From what I understand some of the "standard" AB lines had pit bull blood infused into them. As a result, some standard ABs can be dog aggressive.

So I would treat a standard AB the same as I would a pit bull when it came to dog aggression.

I once had a hybrid (Scott/Johnson cross) that was given to me by the guy that has the 130 AB. I ended up having to get rid of her b/c she was always messing w/ my bulldogs.

Plus, ppl thought she was just a huge white pit bull, which didn't do me any good since I was trying to keep ppl away from my yard instead of attracting them to it.

So she ended up w/ my landlord's mother. Several ppl have tried to steal her, but thus far no stranger has been able to get their hands on her & draw back all 10 fingers. ;)

A standard style AB:

http://www.gotpetsonline.com/pictures-gallery/dog-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/american-bulldog-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/pictures/american-bulldog-0338.jpg

Here is a vid of what appear to be standard style or hybrid style (I can't tell which) ABs working:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z8bIOsxqHkQ&mode=related&search=

[miakoda]

Every AB has APBT blood in it somewhere. ;)

[ABK]

I guess that depends on who you ask. Some believe that the AB is the original English bull baiting bulldog (before it got deformed) & has no APBT blood.

[jaystreetsA4]

i love me ambulls. APBT's will always have the number 1 spot in my heart but the Ambull is my 2nd favorite breed. thanks for posting tht vid ABK. good looking dogs working. good stuff.:D

[Big Game]

Jaybird all lins can throw catchweight dogs. Some lines such as the Rozumus dogs do tend to throw alot of catchweight males and large females. But this is not a given. Not all dogs from this line are big, not all dogs from this line throw big dogs. Also if there is a cross of another bloodline anywhare in the pup in question it can change everything. My advice to you is to judge the dog you are considering buying by its immidiate relatives(Sire,Dam,gr Sire,gr Dam etc..) the reputation of the breeder you get the dog from and the dog itself and not by the pedigree or bloodline. Bloodlines are breeding tools. Alot of pure or heavyblooded dogs are not of the best working quality. Most fastlane dogs are crosses of 2 or many bloodlines. Hince the term ""Battlecross"" or ""hybread vigor"" also over history many great dog were flat out scatterbread. The best way to judge the potental size of a pup is to look at the sire and dam the pup should end up someware between the two. A even better way is to buy a pup from a repeat breeding of dogs that in the past have produced dogs of the size and build you are looking for. The best way would to buy a dog that is at or close to being full grown. Then you know exactly what you are getting. You could be an asset to a gamedog breeder that may need to cull a young dog that is not working out. If you can prove you are responsible and have the breeds best intrest at heart Im sure most dogmen would rather give/sell you a dog under a spay/nuter contract than to put the dog down.I am sorry maybe I was miss understood because if you ask for info on a larger pitbull people assume you want a 100 lb. dog which i didnt re. gottie razors edge. which I didnt. I was lookin for a dog around the 65 lbs. or so, far from gottie razors edge size. I never said I needed a game breed pit either, I dont plan on breeding it or showing it, matching it, or doing anything except exercising it and spending my time with it. Tudors black jack was a big pit same with may day and some rozmus dogs also Ironline says on his web that his dogs can be 65 on the top end and that his dogs are protective of their owners does that mean his are any less real pits? Thanks for the reply about am bulls but I dont think they are very active and tend to be like the gotti dogs and such plus they have health problems. I dont like rottie been bit by one as a kid.My female that died of cancer was around 55 lbs or so had a hard mouth loved to work was protective of the house and loved kids.I dont believe any other breed loves their owners as much as a pit which is why I want one and not anything else. She was the best dam all around dog I ever had, and I adopted her from somebody that dumped her off. I am considering adopting another one also. I just want to get a good dog for myself and figured people here would know what dogs tend to have a little more size than say a 35 lb dog and were just good working dogs thats all. All I am looking for is a good size workin dog thats all doesnt mean I want a 100lb. 1/2 mastiff 1/2 pit, if thats what i was lookin for I would have asked that. If any one has helpull info I very much appreciate it and thank you for it.And thank you again for the people who are helping me out. I will look into am bulls but I have heard many bad things about there health, and my friend had one but it wasnt active but he may have a poorly bred one I dont know.

[Pitbull219]

I guess that depends on who you ask. Some believe that the AB is the original English bull baiting bulldog (before it got deformed) & has no APBT blood.I have a book on AmBulls in which the author (who started off breeding APBT's) was with another AB breeder looking over his peds and noticed alot of APBT blood he recognized. Come to find out this guy had unknowingly been mixing the two not knowing the difference for generations! Think of how many others must have bred off dogs they got from him, and so on. That's why some lines of AB's are smaller and/or more dog aggressive than others.

[maximusab]

That is crazy. What an idiot. If you can't tell the difference bettween the two you shouldn't be breeding anything. I guess any idiot can be a breeder.



I have a book on AmBulls in which the author (who started off breeding APBT's) was with another AB breeder looking over his peds and noticed alot of APBT blood he recognized. Come to find out this guy had unknowingly been mixing the two not knowing the difference for generations! Think of how many others must have bred off dogs they got from him, and so on. That's why some lines of AB's are smaller and/or more dog aggressive than others.

[miakoda]

I guess that depends on who you ask. Some believe that the AB is the original English bull baiting bulldog (before it got deformed) & has no APBT blood.Actually, the AB of today is just a recreation of the AB of years gone by. It was either after WWI or WWII that the breed became extinct (or almost). That's when preservation/recreation began. The AB is a creation from a hodgepodge of breeds including, but not limited to, the APBT, molosser breeds, the Saint Bernard, the EB, etc.

[Pits4life07]

I've got a RE male that will bite anyone who comes in my yard w/out ME with them, he weights 65lbs right now, normally about 75lbs, but he is VERY athletic, and believe it or not he's EXTREMELY game, he'll go after ANYTHING, he's kicked other pits asses, rots, chows, dobbies, he loves to fight so I gotta short leash him when we walk. But Razors Edge blood line is a really good one, oh and they have plenty of mouth, short, wide mouthed with damn good bite. Also, they are still APBT's, mine have been examined by UKC judges and have passed all tests and are proven to be good specimens of the breed. (they're just a bigger than MOST game dogs) If interested, look at my dogs on www.myspace.com/pits4life07 (http://www.myspace.com/pits4life07) white one is my Boy Domino, chocolate female is my girl Roxy, and the pups they have right now.

[Big Rod]

I've got a RE male that will bite anyone who comes in my yard w/out ME with them, he weights 65lbs right now, normally about 75lbs, but he is VERY athletic, and believe it or not he's EXTREMELY game, he'll go after ANYTHING, he's kicked other pits asses, rots, chows, dobbies, he loves to fight so I gotta short leash him when we walk. But Razors Edge blood line is a really good one, oh and they have plenty of mouth, short, wide mouthed with damn good bite. Also, they are still APBT's, mine have been examined by UKC judges and have passed all tests and are proven to be good specimens of the breed. (they're just a bigger than MOST game dogs) If interested, look at my dogs on www.myspace.com/pits4life07 (http://www.myspace.com/pits4life07) white one is my Boy Domino, chocolate female is my girl Roxy, and the pups they have right now.

Welcome to the board...i hope you stay and read as much as you can. Enjoy.

[renegadepit]

Here is my "blue" pit. Gotti on top Watchdog on bottom. As you can see he is not over done. Weighs in at 69lbs. Reasonably game. Strong bite. He has been in accidental dog fights. On one occassion it lasted literally 2 secs before I pulled my dog off and he has broken the other dog's skin on 3 places on his face near the muzzle. He is aggressive towards dogs but great with my kids and other people that come in my house. He has an aggressive bark when somebody knocks on my door, but never showed aggression towards people once they came inside.

[LegendsMami]

^^He's beautiful!

[pennsooner]

I've got a RE male that will bite anyone who comes in my yard w/out ME with them, he weights 65lbs right now, normally about 75lbs, but he is VERY athletic, and believe it or not he's EXTREMELY game, he'll go after ANYTHING, he's kicked other pits asses, rots, chows, dobbies, he loves to fight so I gotta short leash him when we walk. But Razors Edge blood line is a really good one, oh and they have plenty of mouth, short, wide mouthed with damn good bite. Also, they are still APBT's, mine have been examined by UKC judges and have passed all tests and are proven to be good specimens of the breed. (they're just a bigger than MOST game dogs) If interested, look at my dogs on www.myspace.com/pits4life07 (http://www.myspace.com/pits4life07) white one is my Boy Domino, chocolate female is my girl Roxy, and the pups they have right now.



You are getting dog aggression and gameness mixed up. They are two very different things. Some of the gamest dogs ever would be fine around other dogs unless another dog started the trouble. And NO real gamedog enthusist thinks much at all of razorsedge dogs as a line. As individual pets, that might be another things. I hope you keep ON TOP of your dog. I'd hate to see him and you end up in a headline. Oh, and do you think breeding highly people aggressive dogs is a good idea? I hope you live in a rural area with very few people around and keep all those pups on YOUR yard. If you are letting them go to the public with a manbiter that close behind them you aren't doing the rest of us any favors.

[simms]

I've got a RE male that will bite anyone who comes in my yard w/out ME with them, he weights 65lbs right now, normally about 75lbs, but he is VERY athletic, and believe it or not he's EXTREMELY game, he'll go after ANYTHING, he's kicked other pits asses, rots, chows, dobbies, he loves to fight so I gotta short leash him when we walk. But Razors Edge blood line is a really good one, oh and they have plenty of mouth, short, wide mouthed with damn good bite. Also, they are still APBT's, mine have been examined by UKC judges and have passed all tests and are proven to be good specimens of the breed. (they're just a bigger than MOST game dogs) If interested, look at my dogs on www.myspace.com/pits4life07 (http://www.myspace.com/pits4life07) white one is my Boy Domino, chocolate female is my girl Roxy, and the pups they have right now.

I dont know what to say *shakinghead*

I will give you some advice though.....mind you, you may not like what i have to say.

You have officialy on the world wide web admitted that you have agressive dogs that will bite ppl. God forbid that those curs bite anyone cause if you think you have somthing in this world you wont for long and you never will. Unless you win the lottery....LOL

oh if that dog will bite when your not around, he'll bite when you are there.....an that's where your gonna fuckup!

[chloesredboy]

I've got a RE male that will bite anyone who comes in my yard w/out ME with them, he weights 65lbs right now, normally about 75lbs, but he is VERY athletic, and believe it or not he's EXTREMELY game, he'll go after ANYTHING, he's kicked other pits asses, rots, chows, dobbies, he loves to fight so I gotta short leash him when we walk. But Razors Edge blood line is a really good one, oh and they have plenty of mouth, short, wide mouthed with damn good bite. Also, they are still APBT's, mine have been examined by UKC judges and have passed all tests and are proven to be good specimens of the breed. (they're just a bigger than MOST game dogs) If interested, look at my dogs on www.myspace.com/pits4life07 (http://www.myspace.com/pits4life07) white one is my Boy Domino, chocolate female is my girl Roxy, and the pups they have right now.just cause a dog will attack any other dog or animal doesnt mean its game.There is only one way to know for sure if your dog is game.And if the dog will bite anyone who comes in your yard,please do everyone a favor and put the dog down.This post is just disgusting on so many levels.

[cheekymunkee]

Well, if the law that is before the House in Texas passes as it is witten, this young man may very well be in prison soon doing 2 years if his dog is so quick to put it's teeth on a human. That is REALLY something to brag about isn't it? :rolleyes:

[jaystreetsA4]

this thread was good at one point.

[Pitbull219]

I present pits4life07 with the first ever game-dog.com worst post ever award

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I don't think this poster is for real anyway.....

[ericschevy]

I've got a RE male that will bite anyone who comes in my yard w/out ME with them, he weights 65lbs right now, normally about 75lbs, but he is VERY athletic, and believe it or not he's EXTREMELY game, he'll go after ANYTHING, he's kicked other pits asses, rots, chows, dobbies, he loves to fight so I gotta short leash him when we walk. But Razors Edge blood line is a really good one, oh and they have plenty of mouth, short, wide mouthed with damn good bite. Also, they are still APBT's, mine have been examined by UKC judges and have passed all tests and are proven to be good specimens of the breed. (they're just a bigger than MOST game dogs) If interested, look at my dogs on www.myspace.com/pits4life07 (http://www.myspace.com/pits4life07) white one is my Boy Domino, chocolate female is my girl Roxy, and the pups they have right now.http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o301/ericschevy/14.jpg

[hrdeluxe]

That had to be a joke post from Pits4life. Please tell me it isn't real!!!

[jaybird]

that is some funny stuff, is the show in bellville mi next weekend?

[bakergary]

American bulldogs are good for protection?anyone knoe of any good breeders with wedsites where i could learn about them?
I had an American Bulldog for awhile. I loved her to death, she was a very smart dog. Most women loved her too so that was a huge plus for me. But, I did found out that it is hard to get good information on them because so many people do not consider them a purebred dog. Anytime I found any reading materials on them they were lumped in with the APBT or the English Bulldog and I think they share traits with both breeds but are very different in their own rights.

[QuarterBullSpitz]

Every AB has APBT blood in it somewhere. ;)But ofcourse, the foundation stock for this breed was of Mr. Johnson running around the south begging for catch weight Bulldogs (Apbt) and then he bred them bigger and bigger. It's not much different from what the bully folks are doing today except the AB people kept a working test for thier breed, catch work. It wasn't till the 80's that the second line of these dogs where created, the new one being founded Johnson's English Bulldog hybrid Dick The Bruiser, I believe.

[ABK]

OK I could be wrong, but I have read in AB history that the AB was the original English Bulldog before it got perverted & there was no pit bull blood in it. The AB was supposedly the original bull-baiting bulldog & was brought over w/ immigrant families from the UK & only after it had been in the US for several generations was pit bull blood added to create strains such as Scott, Hines, Painter, etc. & that JDJ added modern EB to his lines to get the more bully look.

[QuarterBullSpitz]

OK I could be wrong, but I have read in AB history that the AB was the original English Bulldog before it got perverted & there was no pit bull blood in it. The AB was supposedly the original bull-baiting bulldog & was brought over w/ immigrant families from the UK & only after it had been in the US for several generations was pit bull blood added to create strains such as Scott, Hines, Painter, etc. & that JDJ added modern EB to his lines to get the more bully look.It's pretty easy to fabricate history when no one really cares, fact is there is tons of Apbt in AB's. The AB is a recreation breed wether Mr. Scott or Mr. Johnson wants to admit it or not, Painters stock is even worse because he was an APBT Dogman first.