Hypocrite......

[DryCreek]

Look at her dog, it's a "Pit Bull Type" ;)

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/idaho/story.asp?ID=180662


Woman asks city to ban pit bulls

CdA resident says vicious dogs killed cat, may harm children next

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/stories/2007/mar/23/id_thomas.IMG_03-23-2007_40A4MO2.jpg
Cari Elmore, of Coeur d'Alene, sits on her couch with her dog, Rebecca Lynn, on Thursday. Her cat, Thomas, was recently killed by pit bulls, and she wants the breed banned from Coeur d'Alene. ()


More information

•To contact Cari Elmore about her petition, e-mail her at ceelmorejr2@yahoo.com (ceelmorejr2@yahoo.com).

•For information on Coeur d'Alene's animal ordinances, call (208) 769-2300 or go to www.coeurdaleneidaho.org (http://www.coeurdaleneidaho.org/) and click on "city code."



Erica Curless (http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news/bylines.asp?bylinename=Erica Curless)
Staff writer
March 23, 2007



The next time neighborhood pit bulls go on a rampage, Cari Elmore fears they will kill a child, the same way they ripped apart her beloved cat, Thomas.

That's why the Coeur d'Alene woman is asking the City Council to ban pit bulls within the city limits.

"My cat weighed about 21 pounds, and the neighbor child weighs about 25 pounds," Elmore said Thursday. "I'm telling you it's only a matter of time before we lose a kid."

She brought color photos of the mangled, dead, black-and-white cat to Tuesday's council meeting and read a short story written in honor of her feline friend.

Thomas, who had been declawed, was killed March 5 when two pit bulls allegedly jumped into the fenced Ninth Street yard and dragged him off. Elmore woke to his screams and her husband ran to fight the dogs with a shovel. But by the time he got outside, the dogs and Thomas were gone.

Elmore found Thomas' body on a neighbor's lawn the next day.

Now she's collecting signatures for a petition to rid the city of what she calls a "vicious" breed that's bred to kill. She wants the measure named "Thomas' Law," after her cat.

City Administrator Wendy Gabriel said staff will look at Elmore's request and research other cities, such as Denver, that have banned the breed.

Yet some local dog owners and trainers argue outlawing pit bulls won't solve the problem of irresponsible pet owners.

"What we need to do is have better enforcement for dog owners," said Vicki Pennington, a Spirit Lake dog groomer, trainer, 4-H leader and owner of two pit bulls. "It doesn't end with one breed."

One of the two pit bulls that allegedly killed Thomas is impounded at the Post Falls Animal Shelter. Coeur d'Alene Animal Control has classified the spayed female as dangerous, said Officer Debi Slater.

The owner, whom Coeur d'Alene Police declined to name, isn't contesting the classification. Instead he's trying to meet city requirements to keep the animal, such as constructing an enclosed kennel, securing liability insurance, posting "beware of dog" signs and muzzling the animal in public, Slater said.

The other pit bull, which lived at the same house and allegedly also came into Elmore's fenced yard, has moved.

Slater said she had received calls about the same pit bulls running free but that they were never considered vicious until Thomas was killed.

Sgt. Christie Wood said the owner of the pit bull that's impounded was cited in October for letting his dog run.

That makes Elmore question why nothing was done to keep her neighborhood safe.

"The whole thing has been handled really lousy," Elmore said, adding that neighbors who live closer to the pit bulls tell horror stories. She said one elderly woman keeps a gun handy for protection, and another man has had to throw his groceries at the canines to keep them away.

Wood said that the city gets vicious dog complaints but that they haven't risen to the level of an epidemic.In 2006, Coeur d'Alene Police officers responded to 44 animal bite complaints, 425 dog-at-large calls and 221 vicious animal complaints, according to the department.

A dog killing a cat is newsworthy enough for a personal interview? Never used to be. It used to be considered normal, just like a cat killing mice.:confused: :rolleyes:

[Suki]

subscribers must be down, ......:mad: ......

[cheekymunkee]

thank you for posting this! I tried the link earlier but had to be a subscriber to see it.

[NOLEFAN]

notice how they invoke "the children" in this.....such a shame

since when did a dog killing a cat become something odd and new?

[cheekymunkee]

notice how they invoke "the children" in this.....such a shame

since when did a dog killing a cat become something odd and new?My cats are warriors, they often bring me dead birds & snakes so watch for me on CNN this summer!

[miakoda]

I think SHE should be fined for putting/keeping a declawed cat outside!! It's a $250 fine where I live.

[The Watcher]

a cat with claws has a 50/50 (no pun intended) chance of getting away....

[ChiaPit]

Interesting that they published her e-mail address...bet thats one full inbox.

[coolhandjean]

the whole thing that she thinks that because a dog attacks a cat that it will attack a child is insane...there is quite a difference there, no matter how fat the cat is.

[ABK]

I may be the odd man out here, but the cat was in his OWN yard. Declawed or not, the cat was in his own yard, doing his own thing & these dogs jumped into her private property (FENCED private property BTW) & killed her cat. I'd be pissed too. If those dogs would have trespassed on my property & attacked one of my animals, those dogs wouldn't have gotten a shovel to the head, they would have gotten a bullet to the brain. :mad:

[Michele]

The owner, whom Coeur d'Alene Police declined to name, isn't contesting the classification. Instead he's trying to meet city requirements to keep the animal, such as constructing an enclosed kennel, securing liability insurance, posting "beware of dog" signs and muzzling the animal in public, Slater said.

The owner should of done this from the beginning. another irresponsible dog owner......

[cheekymunkee]

I may be the odd man out here, but the cat was in his OWN yard. Declawed or not, the cat was in his own yard, doing his own thing & these dogs jumped into her private property (FENCED private property BTW) & killed her cat. I'd be pissed too. If those dogs would have trespassed on my property & attacked one of my animals, those dogs wouldn't have gotten a shovel to the head, they would have gotten a bullet to the brain. :mad:


I agree!! What I do NOT agree with is the fact that ONLY pit bulls ( or what they think are pit bulls) make the news when something like this happens. As if other breeds do not kill cats.

[Lethalpits]

I agree!! What I do NOT agree with is the fact that ONLY pit bulls ( or what they think are pit bulls) make the news when something like this happens. As if other breeds do not kill cats.
That's what gets me, too. If it were german shepards she wouldn't be on the news. The dogs getting in her yard is bad, though.

[DryCreek]

My point is not about what happened. It's about calling for BSL instead of just blaming the dogs involved. I mean, she owns a dog that could be construed as a "Pit Bull Type" yet she's calling for a ban. Punish the dogs that killed her cat by all means. Just leave the rest out of it.

Dogs kill cats and rabbit's, cats kill mice and birds, and my chickens kill mice and insects. It's all part of nature.

Just like any incident involving domesticated animals, it's the person who owns the offending animal, or the person who overstepped their bounds with the animal who are to blame.
It's pathetic the way people are these days. Ban this, Ban that, Sue him, Sue her, whatever happened to self government and taking responsibility for your actions. Too much reacting and not enough thinking.

[NOLEFAN]

a cat with claws has a 50/50 (no pun intended) chance of getting away....
I have experienced this. I had a male that got scratched and never messed with a cat again. I also had a female that got scratched, and she went nuts and ripped that cat apart, and tried to kill every cat she could after that.

[ABK]

Yea, I agree she shouldn't be calling for BSL b/c ANY dog will kill a cat. Heck, if a Jack Russell or Patterdale had gotten in there it would have done the same thing. I have even known Boston Terriers (her breed of choice) who were pretty dicey around other animals. So should we ban all Bostons? Somehow I don't think she'd support THAT ...

[WWII]

She looks mean.

[ABK]

She looks to me like she is a sad, bitter old woman. But who can blame her? B/c of 2 irresponsible owners, 2 dogs trespassed onto her fenced property & subject her pet to a very terrifying & very painful death. I'd be sad & bitter too.

[Suki]

She looks to me like she is a sad, bitter old woman. But who can blame her? B/c of two irreponsible owners, 2 dogs trespassed onto her fenced property & subject her pet to a terrifying & painful death. I'd be sad & bitter too.

i would be, too.
it's just too bad it's so sensationalized, due to the 'breed', ....:(

[clutch billups]

you know what i say about people like that ..."Cant Undertand Normal Thinking"

but thats just me http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Verderben]

they have the same face LMAO

[ChiaPit]

they have the same face LMAO
THANK YOU!!! I'm not the only one that thought that!!! LMFAOOOOO I just didn't want to be the one that said it first!!! LMAO

[MIKA]

I think SHE should be fined for putting/keeping a declawed cat outside!! It's a $250 fine where I live.I agree 100%. A declawed cat is not even supposed to be outside!! What if a bird would have flown down on it? How would it have caught it to KILL it!!! If you know what I mean.

[miakoda]

I may be the odd man out here, but the cat was in his OWN yard. Declawed or not, the cat was in his own yard, doing his own thing & these dogs jumped into her private property (FENCED private property BTW) & killed her cat. I'd be pissed too. If those dogs would have trespassed on my property & attacked one of my animals, those dogs wouldn't have gotten a shovel to the head, they would have gotten a bullet to the brain. :mad:
Oh I'm not defending the dog's owner by any means here. And personally, I really wonder if the cat was within a fenced backyard. I have yet to meet a cat that voluntarily stays within the simple boundaries of a fence.

As for our declaw law, it doesn't matter if you put your cat on a tie-out in a fenced in backyard, it is illegal to put a declawed cat outside. Period.

[CynthiaATL]

Yea, I agree she shouldn't be calling for BSL b/c ANY dog will kill a cat. Heck, if a Jack Russell or Patterdale had gotten in there it would have done the same thing. I have even known Boston Terriers (her breed of choice) who were pretty dicey around other animals. So should we ban all Bostons? Somehow I don't think she'd support THAT ...You know whats funny. At my clinic we had a Boston come in for boarding and when the owner tried to pick him up. He bit the tip of his owners index finger off. His own owner. I did not see that on the news here in Atlanta.

And yes I think it is the owners fault for not containing thier dogs. And who suffers the dogs and responsible owners.

But as far as dogs killing cats that is not uncommon. I think it is because of the breed that it is making news.

[LegendsMami]

Interesting that they published her e-mail address...bet thats one full inbox.
It's gotta be. As I just wrote her an email myself. I'm wondering if she will respond.

[Michele]

they have the same face LMAO
LMAOOOOOO....that was funny

[ericschevy]

Oh I'm not defending the dog's owner by any means here. And personally, I really wonder if the cat was within a fenced backyard. I have yet to meet a cat that voluntarily stays within the simple boundaries of a fence.

As for our declaw law, it doesn't matter if you put your cat on a tie-out in a fenced in backyard, it is illegal to put a declawed cat outside. Period.
As it should be, I mean hows it going to stand a chance...
Pesonaly I don't like cats but whats a cat to do with no claws..

[ABK]

Mika: My mom used to let our declawed cat outside. Not only did she bring home birds, she even caught & brought home items such as live baby rabbits & even climbed trees!

But before anyone says anything, I do not agree w/ letting declawed cats out. My point is simply that declawed cats can do many of the things clawed cats can.

Mia: Yes, cats often roam. But we know this cat was killed in his yard b/c it plainly stated the dogs went into the fenced property to get the cat. :(

Cynthia: I'm sure the breed is a factor for the coverage, but this woman pushing the issue too. If the dogs had been Dobermans & she was rallying & petioning as hard as she is, it probably would have made the news too. You the old saying: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

[Phebes]

I think SHE should be fined for putting/keeping a declawed cat outside!! It's a $250 fine where I live.
my thoughts exactly!!!
what did she think would happen to a declawed cat outside
what an idiot

[ABK]

I dunno. She probably did not think anything would happen to the cat since it was IN HER OWN FENCED IN YARD!

Y'all are trying to make this woman out as evil. And while I do not agree w/ what she is trying to do, I can empathize w/ her. Her cat was in HER yard, minding HIS business. Then here come two dogs who then trespass into HER fenced private property & kill HER pet in a very violent & painful way.

Y'all can vilify that woman all you want, but IMO the blame lies w/ the two IRRESPONSIBLE APBT OWNERS. But funny, no one here seems to be wanting to discuss THAT! We all want to make fun of that woman & tear her to shreds for having a declawed cat outside in her own fenced in yard!

How would y'all feel if you put one of your APBT puppies (also a virtually defenseless animal) in a fenced yard & a pair of Rottweilers jumped the fence & tore your pup to shreds, killing it??

You wouldn't be trying to shift the blame or make jokes about the owner of the dead pet then would you? Oh no. I can bet your bottom dollar you wouldn't be. All of a sudden the convo then would be all about RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP of Rottis, wouldn't it??

I say BULLHOCKEY! The issue here is not whether a declawed cat should be out or not. Even if the cat was clawed it would have still likely been killed. So whether he had his needles or not is a non-issue.

The REAL issue is responsible APBT ownership, which these two morons couldn't seem to pull off. If it weren't for their irresponsibility, the dogs would have never gotten out, never killed the cat & this wouldn't be in the papers as we speak!

All I can say is RIP Thomas & that maybe the focus should be put on the REAL cause of the problem instead of this poor woman & her cat!

[simms]

My point is not about what happened. It's about calling for BSL instead of just blaming the dogs involved. I mean, she owns a dog that could be construed as a "Pit Bull Type" yet she's calling for a ban. Punish the dogs that killed her cat by all means. Just leave the rest out of it.

Dogs kill cats and rabbit's, cats kill mice and birds, and my chickens kill mice and insects. It's all part of nature.

Just like any incident involving domesticated animals, it's the person who owns the offending animal, or the person who overstepped their bounds with the animal who are to blame.
It's pathetic the way people are these days. Ban this, Ban that, Sue him, Sue her, whatever happened to self government and taking responsibility for your actions. Too much reacting and not enough thinking.

That's right....

[Michele]

I dunno. She probably did not think anything would happen to the cat since it was IN HER OWN FENCED IN YARD!

Y'all are trying to make this woman out as evil. And while I do not agree w/ what she is trying to do, I can empathize w/ her. Her cat was in HER yard, minding HIS business. Then here come two dogs who then trespass into HER fenced private property & kill HER pet in a very violent & painful way.

Y'all can vilify that woman all you want, but IMO the blame lies w/ the two IRRESPONSIBLE APBT OWNERS. But funny, no one here seems to be wanting to discuss THAT! We all want to make fun of that woman & tear her to shreds for having a declawed cat outside in her own fenced in yard!

How would y'all feel if you put one of your an APBT puppies (also a virtually defenseless animal) in a fenced yard & a pair of Rottweilers jumped the fence & tore your pup to shreds, killing it??

You wouldn't be trying to shift the blame or make jokes about the owner of the dead pet then would you? Oh no. I can bet your bottom dollar you wouldn't be. All of a sudden the convo then would be all about RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP of Rottis, wouldn't it??

I say BULLHOCKEY! The issue here is not whether a declawed cat should be out or not. Even if the cat was clawed it would have still likely been killed. So whether he had his needles or not is a non-issue.

The REAL issue is responsible APBT ownership, which these two morons couldn't seem to pull off. If it weren't for their irresponsibility, the dogs would have never gotten out, never killed the cat & this wouldn't be in the papers as we speak!

All I can say is RIP Thomas & that maybe the focus should be put on the REAL cause of the problem instead of this poor woman & her cat!

you are right on the money.......

[laurajean]

Really good post ABK.(I can't give you any more rep, I tried) I don't think BSL would solve her problem (the woman whose cat was killed), but maybe some teeth in the laws that are supposed to prevent dogs running loose would help. It's easy to blame her for putting her declawed cat outide in her own yard. I had a declawed rescued cat once. (It was also spayed) This cat demanded to be outside, it would yowl piteously if I didn't let it out to hunt...and it was hunter too, even with no (front) claws.
I think we should be condeming the owners who let their dogs run loose. There is where the fault lies, not with the dogs but with the irresponsible owners who couldn't be bothered to exercise their dogs and contain them but let them run around out of control...making all APBT or "pit bull" owners look like scofflaws.

[ChiaPit]

I dunno. She probably did not think anything would happen to the cat since it was IN HER OWN FENCED IN YARD!

Y'all are trying to make this woman out as evil. And while I do not agree w/ what she is trying to do, I can empathize w/ her. Her cat was in HER yard, minding HIS business. Then here come two dogs who then trespass into HER fenced private property & kill HER pet in a very violent & painful way.

Y'all can vilify that woman all you want, but IMO the blame lies w/ the two IRRESPONSIBLE APBT OWNERS. But funny, no one here seems to be wanting to discuss THAT! We all want to make fun of that woman & tear her to shreds for having a declawed cat outside in her own fenced in yard!

How would y'all feel if you put one of your APBT puppies (also a virtually defenseless animal) in a fenced yard & a pair of Rottweilers jumped the fence & tore your pup to shreds, killing it??

You wouldn't be trying to shift the blame or make jokes about the owner of the dead pet then would you? Oh no. I can bet your bottom dollar you wouldn't be. All of a sudden the convo then would be all about RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP of Rottis, wouldn't it??

I say BULLHOCKEY! The issue here is not whether a declawed cat should be out or not. Even if the cat was clawed it would have still likely been killed. So whether he had his needles or not is a non-issue.

The REAL issue is responsible APBT ownership, which these two morons couldn't seem to pull off. If it weren't for their irresponsibility, the dogs would have never gotten out, never killed the cat & this wouldn't be in the papers as we speak!

All I can say is RIP Thomas & that maybe the focus should be put on the REAL cause of the problem instead of this poor woman & her cat!

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to ABK again

[simms]

Just another example of folks that shouldnt own this breed. My deepest sympathy to this woman regardless of her own neglagence concerning her pets.

This is not a blackeye as most would consider it to be. This is yet another compelling case that will be stacked and used against the APBT. Worst of all another supporter of it.

There was a terrible incedent 2 days ago south of dallas. The news reports were horiffic. The after math of the incedent the niebors were giving interviews. Not only did they speak against chaining a statement was made that the breed was dangerous.

[CrazyK9]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to ABK again
Ditto... Great post!


Simms, I didn't hear anything about that on the news lately. Can you post a link to an article about it, if possible? The only local news I've heard lately was that officer being killed last night.

[chloesredboy]

what freak,she needs to get a life.Dogs kill cats.my moms black lab loves to "play" with kittys.I for one am sick and tired of theses f-ing cat owners that seem to think its okay for their damn cats to roam around freely and everytime something happens they act like its everyone else responsabilitie to protect and watch out for their mangy asses!anytime you let any animal out to roam free you are taking a chance that something might happen to it, and its no ones fault but your own.That whole story sounds like a huge load of B.S,like mia said who has ever seen a cat stay behind a fence?and if the dogs really did jump the fence that cat would have had enough time to run,and really if the dogs jumped itno her yard and started mauling the cat why would they grab the cat and jump back over the fence ,run away with the cat in their mouths only to continue mauling it elsewhere?Every time my dogs get a opposum or other small animal they catch it and maul it right there! they dont run away with it,thats something cats do.I think this freak has no idea what happened to her stupid cat and is just looking for a scapegoat.One more thing she said she took pics of the cats mangled body?if it was really two pits that got ahold of a cat ,there wouldnt be anything left to take pictures of.

[Excelsior-Mom]

Well heres my opinion on the hole thing-

Sh*t Happens

[ChiaPit]

what freak,she needs to get a life.Dogs kill cats.my moms black lab loves to "play" with kittys.I for one am sick and tired of theses f-ing cat owners that seem to think its okay for their damn cats to roam around freely and everytime something happens they act like its everyone else responsabilitie to protect and watch out for their mangy asses!anytime you let any animal out to roam free you are taking a chance that something might happen to it, and its no ones fault but your own.That whole story sounds like a huge load of B.S,like mia said who has ever seen a cat stay behind a fence?and if the dogs really did jump the fence that cat would have had enough time to run,and really if the dogs jumped itno her yard and started mauling the cat why would they grab the cat and jump back over the fence ,run away with the cat in their mouths only to continue mauling it elsewhere?Every time my dogs get a opposum or other small animal they catch it and maul it right there! they dont run away with it,thats something cats do.I think this freak has no idea what happened to her stupid cat and is just looking for a scapegoat.One more thing she said she took pics of the cats mangled body?if it was really two pits that got ahold of a cat ,there wouldnt be anything left to take pictures of.

You may be right and you made a good point...but even so, the dogs were obviously not restrained and no one is currently calling for a ban on cats so the owners of the dogs should have been more diligent as well to avoid all this negative publicity our breed tends to get.

[chloesredboy]

You may be right and you made a good point...but even so, the dogs were obviously not restrained and no one is currently calling for a ban on cats so the owners of the dogs should have been more diligent as well to avoid all this negative publicity our breed tends to get.yes i agree the dogs owners should be held respponsable fot letting their dogs roam,there's just something about the whole story that doesnt sound right,a little to cliche

[CynthiaATL]

Cynthia: I'm sure the breed is a factor for the coverage, but this woman pushing the issue too. If the dogs had been Dobermans & she was rallying & petioning as hard as she is, it probably would have made the news too. You the old saying: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."Yea I agree. And that is why I do not let my cats outside. To many risks. FIV FELV, URI, other animals getting ahold of them, cars. AC. THe vaccine for FIV will show a positive FIV test so you do not know if your cats has it or its from the vaccine, also the FELV vaccine is only about 80% effective.

I have 1 declawed and 1 kitten that is not. I just had to PTS 1 of my cats because of health reasons.

But even if you let out a cat in a fenced back yard you are still putting that cat at risk of getting out. If cats can climb trees they can get out of the fence. But IMO letting your cat out is irresponsible. But again thats my opinion. When you let your cat out you are accepting that risk that it may not come back alive. Even if it was her fenced in yard. Animals get in and animals get out.

If you want your cat to go outside build an enclosure.

But it boils down to an irresponsible dog owner. And I do feel for her.

[toby'smom]

I don't think banning the breed is fair, but perhaps they need to have some guidelines for keeping PB within city limits. All in all, it was the dogs who left their yard and caused the trouble. Where I live, it wouldn't matter what the breed was, if it was unattended and loose and did that, the owner better get some hip waders cuz' they'd be in some deep caca.

[chloesredboy]

I don't think banning the breed is fair, but perhaps they need to have some guidelines for keeping PB within city limits. All in all, it was the dogs who left their yard and caused the trouble. Where I live, it wouldn't matter what the breed was, if it was unattended and loose and did that, the owner better get some hip waders cuz' they'd be in some deep caca.i think most cities do have guidlines for all dogs that wouldve prevented this situation,the problem is idiots who dont follow them wouldnt follow pit-bull specific guidlines either.

[toby'smom]

i think most cities do have guidlines for all dogs that wouldve prevented this situation,the problem is idiots who dont follow them wouldnt follow pit-bull specific guidlines either.
That's true enough, the owner didn't do anything when there had been a complaint about his dog prior, so he must not have taken it very seriously. By the same token, the city had a chance to insist he do somethng about it, and they failed to do so either. It's a lose-lose situation.

[laurajean]

See I like kitty cats. And until I joined this forum and until I talked to my neighbor (who had her neighbors' cats pooping in her flower beds) I never considered that letting cats be "free spirits" might inconvenience anyone. So how are we all gonna be responsible and let the dog lovers and the cat lovers co-exist with happy and healthy pets?
Actually, though, although I like kitties, if I had to chose, I'll have dogs.

[chloesredboy]

See I like kitty cats. And until I joined this forum and until I talked to my neighbor (who had her neighbors' cats pooping in her flower beds) I never considered that letting cats be "free spirits" might inconvenience anyone. So how are we all gonna be responsible and let the dog lovers and the cat lovers co-exist with happy and healthy pets?
Actually, though, although I like kitties, if I had to chose, I'll have dogs.I think cats should be under the same laws as dogs,laws such as not being alowed to roam freely.Alot of people who let their cats go all over the place are just like people who let their dogs do it.They have no respect for other peoples property.For some reason though,it is acceptable for cats.My neighbor has about five outside cats and they annoy the hell out of me.They poop in my rock garden,the get in the dumpster at night,they walk all over my car,they get into fights at five in the morning,they sit by the window to drive the dogs crazy.But its okay because they are cats.Could you imagine if i took my dogs to her yard everyday to poop?cat owners just need to take resposability for their animals.

[DryCreek]

How many places are there where cats are required to be registered and tagged like dogs? What about charges/fees for roaming cats picked up by A/C compared to dogs? I think cats should be regulated the same as dogs.

No matter what type of animals you own, cats, dogs, goats, rabbits, cows, horses.....they should be contained or restrained properly on your own property.

The way I look at it, if it gets off your property and out of your control, all bets are off. I tell you, if I could have caught the cow I found on my front lawn the other week, my freezer would have been full of steaks LOL.

This post was NOT started so people could bash on the woman about putting her cat outside, it was posted to point out how easy it is for BSL to start in any neighborhood. I looked at the breed she owns and was blown away. Boston's can be holy terrors with other animals for goodness sakes. It's a terrier isn't it? LOL

All it takes is ONE irresponsible owner to allow an incident to happen for BSL to rear it's ugly head. Not all people are realists about animal behavior. They take it very personally when they lose an pet.

[simms]

How many places are there where cats are required to be registered and tagged like dogs? What about charges/fees for roaming cats picked up by A/C compared to dogs? I think cats should be regulated the same as dogs.

No matter what type of animals you own, cats, dogs, goats, rabbits, cows, horses.....they should be contained or restrained properly on your own property.

The way I look at it, if it gets off your property and out of your control, all bets are off. I tell you, if I could have caught the cow I found on my front lawn the other week, my freezer would have been full of steaks LOL.

This post was NOT started so people could bash on the woman about putting her cat outside, it was posted to point out how easy it is for BSL to start in any neighborhood. I looked at the breed she owns and was blown away. Boston's can be holy terrors with other animals for goodness sakes. It's a terrier isn't it? LOL

All it takes is ONE irresponsible owner to allow an incident to happen for BSL to rear it's ugly head. Not all people are realists about animal behavior. They take it very personally when they lose an pet.


................:)

[Scotsman]

Man that dog looks like that ugly ass woman, poor dog.

[laurajean]

Twenty years ago I would have felt that anyone who suggested keeping cats restrained was a fool. But I have become more tolerant and considerate as I have grown older and have lived in houses closer to others. We have to respect our neighbors and have some consideration for them and their gardens and lawns. Obviously the "pit bull" owner didn't care what his dogs did. The owner let the dogs run around. Good post about how easily BSL can be started and how many people confuse dog aggression or prey drive with human aggression. There is also the point that two or more dogs are a "pack" and will behave differently than a single dog.
Of course the lady is upset and is going to use any arguement to support her position. I have had loose aggressive dogs in my neighborhood and I , too, feared for the neighborhood children. Kids don't have much sense or judgement and may very well run up to strange dogs and , of course, their faces are right at tooth level.
Many parents let their kids run wild through the neighborhood just like many irresponsible dog owners let their dogs run loose. I suppose all here read the post about the child who had her lip ripped off by the golden retreiver? The Mom wasn't watching her kid. It's just a tragedy.
So look Dry Creek, you make a good point about animals being restrained on their own property. I think the golden retreiver was chained on his owner's property, so it was just a lack of sense and responsibility on everyone's part(The incident with the child and the golden). Apparently the Boston Terrier lady had her cat in her fenced in yard. How big was the fence? It doesn't say. But we know it is going to take a special fence to contain a "pit bull".
As for me, I am super cautious and careful with my dog and I wish I had known many years ago what I know now, because I was not always so conscientious. Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes when you exercise poor judgement. It is human nature to blame others for one's mistakes, hence the woman's desire to ban "pit bulls." It could have been GSDs or Dobermans who jumped her fence but it wasn't. They are up for their own special BSL so we should really try hard to make people realize how serious it is to let their dogs(of any breed) run loose.
I recall several members of this board reporting how their dogs got out repeatedly. These owners are putting the whole breed at risk.
You are right Simms, this breed isn't for everyone. I would even venture to say that dog ownership (of any breed) isn't for everyone.

[vena]

one thing i can say is that i hate roaming cats. there arent any laws on cats roaming loose where i live, or at least i dont think there is. I always find them on my truck leaving paw prints after i just washed it. I've even found a few small scratches from them. really pisses me off. I think the owners of the pit bulls are at fault. i see some people jumping on her for leaving her cat in the back yard, but what if it would have been a shitzu or min schnauzer. it could have been the same exact story. i have heard many storys similar to this that has happened to personal friends of mine. one of my friends had a min schnauzer and the pit bull next store ripped off his paw through the chain link fence. another friend had a german sheperd and he was killed by the neighbors pit bulls. this is why we have to keep our dogs on chains or in kennels. i always wondered why most pit bull owners would keep their dogs on chains. I used to think it was cruel. I now understand why. they are escape artist and extremely animal agressive. to be a responsible owner you cant take a risk not haveing them on a chain.



How many places are there where cats are required to be registered and tagged like dogs? What about charges/fees for roaming cats picked up by A/C compared to dogs? I think cats should be regulated the same as dogs.

No matter what type of animals you own, cats, dogs, goats, rabbits, cows, horses.....they should be contained or restrained properly on your own property.

The way I look at it, if it gets off your property and out of your control, all bets are off. I tell you, if I could have caught the cow I found on my front lawn the other week, my freezer would have been full of steaks LOL.

This post was NOT started so people could bash on the woman about putting her cat outside, it was posted to point out how easy it is for BSL to start in any neighborhood. I looked at the breed she owns and was blown away. Boston's can be holy terrors with other animals for goodness sakes. It's a terrier isn't it? LOL

All it takes is ONE irresponsible owner to allow an incident to happen for BSL to rear it's ugly head. Not all people are realists about animal behavior. They take it very personally when they lose an pet.

[ABK]

This cat was not roaming. This cat was in his own yard. And while cats are not really ones to recognize yard boundaries, I doubt this cat could get out of the yard - it weighed 21lbs, which is huge for a cat & he was no doubt quite overweight (look at her Boston!), so I doubt the cat was a proficent runner or jumper.

As for why the dogs ran, it might have something to do w/ the guy who was going to beat them w/ the shovel!

I myself own 4 cats, none of whom go outside. Now, when we lived on a farm & had no nearby neighbors who the cats could bother, I let them out. But now I have several neighbors (who ironically let their dogs run at large) so all my cats are strictly indoor cats.

As for laws, there are laws in almost every city about roaming cats. So don't tell me there aren't any cat laws out there. In fact, some cat laws are stricter than dog laws! For example, in one town the owner of the cat is subject to a $100 fine for the first time the cat steps on a neighbor's property & a $500 fine for every time thereafter!

I haven't heard any dog laws like that! maybe if they started slapping dog owners w/ $500 fines each time their dog got out, we'd have fewer dog-related incidents.

JMHO ...

[miakoda]

I apologize as I feel I took this thread off topic. I certainly do NOT blame the cat owner in this incident if the cat was indeed in the owner's own fenced in backyard.

I just assumed everyone knew my stance & how much it pisses me off to hear stories about people's "pit bulls" roaming the streets & causing problems. But alas, assuming only made an ass out of me. ;)

And I'm all for a $500 fine the first time your dog gets out & a $1,000 PLUS having your dog taken from you for good the second time it gets out. If your dog gets loose once, I understand it can be a freak accident. If it gets loose twice, your an irresponsible owner who did nothing to correct the problem or you just don't give a rat's behind.