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I might be getting 1 of these dogs this weekend which one would you get.
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=123094
Prospect that has been through school.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=194786
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=164290
jaystreetsA4
03-22-2007, 10:08 PM
im a big fan of the grch spikey blood :) they look good. good luck with your choice. :D
Magneeto
03-22-2007, 10:43 PM
That izodXChica should be really good. that would be my choice.
game_test
03-23-2007, 12:23 AM
id take the grown schooled adult, no question. pups are a risk.
purplepig
03-23-2007, 12:50 AM
id take the grown schooled adult, no question. pups are a risk.I agree with game test. If the prospect is actually schooled out, and still looking good, I'd go with it.
id take the grown schooled adult, no question. pups are a risk.
It might be just me, but the bottom side of the dog looks like Greek to me. She might be a good one, but will she be able to produce when the time comes? IMO, I'd take the Izod x Medusa. Should be a nice hard biting dog.
The Watcher
03-23-2007, 02:15 AM
I would have to go with: "Prospect that has been through school" and I didnt even look at the peds....
purplepig
03-23-2007, 02:22 AM
I would have to go with: "Prospect that has been through school" and I didnt even look at the peds....
I didnt look at them either!LOL
The Watcher
03-23-2007, 02:25 AM
yep, it was a given...
BoogiemanBlood
03-23-2007, 03:48 AM
yep, it was a given...lol yeah i think it was a baited question. ;)
nikeballer06
03-23-2007, 04:46 AM
So most of you all like taking the easy way out, or a shortcut, so to type of? What's wrong with going with a pup from the breedings? If the breeding consists of proven parents/lineage then why not take the chance? So what would your plans be with the young prospect when you get him? Plan future breedings with him because you know he is already proven, take him out, or how about doing the dog again to see if he won't quit on YOU? These dogs have another reason for showing proving themselves and it isn't always because of the genetics in their body, it's also from the love, bond, and relationship the dog has with it's owner. Hypothetically speaking here, what if the dog does quit on you? Are you going to make up some excuse and/or blame the seller for selling you a cull? I know I'm speaking on my opinion alone but I like to know for sure that when I buy or am farmed out a pup that I will do all that I can to show the dog love, devotion, and time with it so that he/she will give back for me when the time comes. And if the dog doesn't work out for me, then I won't feel disappointed with myself knowing that it wasn't in the dog all along, and something that could have worked out if I devoted more time to the animal, and move on. Try giving a cur to a new owner that will give the dog a lot of love and attention from an owner that didn't give enough other than feeding it and see if the won't give the new loving owner more time than the latter before quitting again. All in all, I just believe in a more bonding situation with a dog and it's owner knowing that both the dog and owner both are there for each other in any giving matter.
chloesredboy
03-23-2007, 04:52 AM
I might be getting 1 of these dogs this weekend which one would you get.
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=123094
Prospect that has been through school.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=194786
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=164290All of themLOL!:D
Attila
03-23-2007, 05:19 AM
schooled prospect. Ya, and see how it does with them game bred cats.
MinorThreat
03-23-2007, 05:34 AM
if the schooled prospect was show quality then why would they spend the time schooling him and sell? Maybe they had a few littermates that were better and kept them
Was he schooled the way you would have schooled him? Theirs a ton of variables going on here
I wouldnt trust the schooled prospect for sale unless you can see him shut school down with your own eyes before you buy him
I'd go with the 3rd
FLpits
03-23-2007, 06:06 AM
I might be getting 1 of these dogs this weekend which one would you get.
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=123094
Prospect that has been through school.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=194786
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=164290
i'm new to the ped thing, but it looks like the second one has staff blood on the bottom.
Pitbull219
03-23-2007, 06:09 AM
I like the way the last one is bred. They only want $300 for the prospect? Sounds like her grades weren't very good in school......
DryCreek
03-23-2007, 08:12 AM
Going by papers alone, personally, I like the first pup. Always had a fondness for the Cottinghams stuff. I'd take a chance on it.
The prospect..... why are they selling her if she's such a good dog? I tend to be wary of what MIGHT be other peoples rejects. I'd rather put the extra time in and do the schooling myself. People have been known to ruin good prospects with improper schooling. Plus, I know jack about the blood.
The last pup......Looks pretty good on paper, it's also a third breeding with apparently good results the first two times. Tends to raise the percentages of getting a good one.
How well do you know the kennel that has these dogs for sale? If your tight with them, I might lean towards the prospect more as you know more about them as dog people. Of course, if you don't know them well, you're taking a chance no matter which you pick.
I still like the Cottinghams stuff though LOL:)
purplepig
03-23-2007, 10:14 AM
It is not uncommon for good prospects to be sold. I didnt look at the ped, so didnt see the $300 price tag. That right there throws up a red flag. Aproper prospect should cost a good bit more than a pup.
The Watcher
03-23-2007, 10:21 AM
thats a given....
BoiBoi
03-23-2007, 10:26 AM
By papers alone i would go with the first pup, or possibly the 3rd pup. I'm a little confused about the prospect, why would they breed a dog like that, they took proven parents on the top side and bred it to what seems like show bred amstaff's on the bottom, atleast thats what im guessing unless those amstaff's were multi purpose in which case i still wouldn't be quick to jump on that prospect because i have no clue what that amstaff blood is all about
Chef-Kergin
03-23-2007, 10:37 AM
If you were spending a pretty penny on a prospect, then why not just buy a pup and take a gamble on it? If you look at what (from the limited ads I've seen for them) "prospects" seem to cost a grand or more.....why not get a pup, take the time to watch it grow, and if it don't work out, put it down/fix it and place it, and get another pup.
Me personally, I feel too much bonding would be missed out on if you bought a more mature dog. A dog, like any true friend, would die for you if needed, but I don't think the "food & water bringer" warrants as much of a commitment from the animal.
Me, I'd get a pup, and you'd be just as well flipping a quarter to decide between to two, imo, unless one really caught your eye and reacts well with you.
purplepig
03-23-2007, 10:51 AM
If you were spending a pretty penny on a prospect, then why not just buy a pup and take a gamble on it? If you look at what (from the limited ads I've seen for them) "prospects" seem to cost a grand or more.....why not get a pup, take the time to watch it grow, and if it don't work out, put it down/fix it and place it, and get another pup.
Me personally, I feel too much bonding would be missed out on if you bought a more mature dog. A dog, like any true friend, would die for you if needed, but I don't think the "food & water bringer" warrants as much of a commitment from the animal.
Me, I'd get a pup, and you'd be just as well flipping a quarter to decide between to two, imo, unless one really caught your eye and reacts well with you.That may be ture about other breeds, the unable to bond as well with an older dog, but it isnt with a bulldog. It is amazing how quickly they will bond with a new owner, even if the dog is 4 or 5 years of age. That is the downside, because someone can steal your well socialized dog, and in short order, have the dog willing to lay its life down for THEM!
The camble is that you could go through 15 pups before you got a good one, or you could let someone else go through that process for you(hence the higher price) and be heads and tails ahead. Of course, you should only get one from a reputable breeder that you trust, and of course you should take a look at the dog with your eyes. In times past, the majority of dogmen's word was good. Nowadays we have people claiming all kinds of stuff. So definately would have to look. Like I said, the $300 price tag would steer me clear, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!\
I have to admit, I would have been reeled in by the "prospect", but unless my eyes showed me different, I would have broke line!
1Pit_ManyLuvs
03-23-2007, 10:53 AM
I think you should go with the prospect....:D
You know how she is bred and what her littermates are like....Sophie is her sister. lol
Also, I just prefer older dogs to getting a puppy and having to go through the whole training thing, of course there is a chance you may have to "train out" a bad habit with older dogs.
Not taking anything away from the puppies (they are nicely bred also), but Eedi is a good looking and acting dog....
JM2C
realonebulldog
03-23-2007, 11:02 AM
I might be getting 1 of these dogs this weekend which one would you get.
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=123094
Prospect that has been through school.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=194786
Puppy
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=164290Yes if the paper dont lie the first looks got...but the 2 others are also good....good luck with you choice!
There is not a whole lot of staff in this dog.
The staff comes in in the 5th generation in the form of a dog called Blue Rondo, but it is Patton blood, which has been known to be behind a few winners.
There is also some Watchdog blood in the 7th from a dog called CoJim, but again I wouldn't worry over it as it's too far back to worry about & even if it were closer, the old WD blood was behind a few winners as well.
But Sweetie is a linebred Superman II dog & Aphrodite is a mix of Medlin's Outlaw, Jeep, Rascal, Otis & Obnoxious Ox.
So IMO, I would not say the dog is go on the top & show on the bottom as that certainly does not seem to be the case. The dog is has maybe about 4% staff, if that.
As for which dog to choose, the prospect seems to be the most obvious choice. However ... I too am leery of the price they have on this dog as good prospects are often quite a bit more than $300.
Further, what w/ the prospect appearing to be rather scatterbred, I would wonder about her ability to reliably produce as well.
That being said, I would consider either one of the pups before the prospect.
Or buy one of the pups as well as the prospect. At $300 it's not like purchasing her is going to break the bank. She might end up being a worthy investment after all & of she isn't, you've still got the pup.
JMHO ...
Excelsior-Mom
03-23-2007, 01:39 PM
Yes if the paper dont lie the first looks got...but the 2 others are also good....good luck with you choice!
Ok here is how I broke this one down-
All three have GrCh Mills & Garner Izod. The two pups have him as sire and the prospect has him as grand sire. The difference is going to be on the bottem. For what your looking for I would list them:
1st place-3rd pup [although not a big fan of jeep (jmho)]
2nd place-1st pup
3rd place-Prospect (I personally,me myself and I, would think about getting her because of her adba show potential and I have a soft spot for her color, YES I said COLOR)
These are just my thoughts.
Please let us know what you decided to do.
The reason there selling her cheap is they run a whole new differernt blood now and there about to have a litter drop and need room. The prospect is the littermate to my bitch sophi which has everything you would want in a dog. And the prospect is suppose to be just like sophi if not better. So i dont know i might just wait until i have my mind set on a dog i really want in the future and just use the money on my current dogs.
Excelsior-Mom
03-23-2007, 02:06 PM
The reason there selling her cheap is they run a whole new differernt blood now and there about to have a litter drop and need room. The prospect is the littermate to my bitch sophi which has everything you would want in a dog. And the prospect is suppose to be just like sophi if not better. So i dont know i might just wait until i have my mind set on a dog i really want in the future and just use the money on my current dogs.
If your that fond of your dog, sophi, and she's a littermate than go for it.
coolhandjean
03-23-2007, 02:10 PM
The reason there selling her cheap is they run a whole new differernt blood now and there about to have a litter drop and need room. The prospect is the littermate to my bitch sophi which has everything you would want in a dog. And the prospect is suppose to be just like sophi if not better. So i dont know i might just wait until i have my mind set on a dog i really want in the future and just use the money on my current dogs.yeah, Sophi is an amazing bitch...Going on that, I'd say go with the prospect.
The Watcher
03-23-2007, 05:03 PM
i might just wait until i have my mind set on a dog i really want in the future and just use the money on my current dogs.yea... especially because somebody (aah-hem) mentioned farming you a dog bred a little nicer then that...
The reason there selling her cheap is they run a whole new differernt blood now and there about to have a litter drop and need room. The prospect is the littermate to my bitch sophi which has everything you would want in a dog. And the prospect is suppose to be just like sophi if not better. So i dont know i might just wait until i have my mind set on a dog i really want in the future and just use the money on my current dogs.
Well, if you have the littermate to the prospect, there is really no need to get her. You already have THAT blood on your yard. Basically, you'll be spending $300 to see which littermate is better, not which blood is clicking the best. And this isn't gonna improve your yard. Go with one of the pups. The 1st one has a mighty pretty ped, but I'd take the 3rd choice over it. Simply b/c to me, it looks like the first one was bred on paper. The 3rd one is bred off of BULLDOGS.
Verderben
03-23-2007, 05:55 PM
I would pick the 3rd one if it was me
CrazyK9
03-23-2007, 11:25 PM
Going by papers alone, personally, I like the first pup. Always had a fondness for the Cottinghams stuff. I'd take a chance on it.
Ditto. :D But just go with your gut. If you're not sure, pass em up and wait, like you said.
Scotsman
03-24-2007, 07:59 AM
I would pass on all of them. I really don't see what you'd get out of them except for maybe a good performance dog, but nothing I'd want to use for breeding.
There is better Spikey blood out there is that is what you want.
The Watcher
03-24-2007, 09:05 AM
I agree. pass on those.
Scotsman
03-24-2007, 10:32 AM
Another thing is, I think it is strange when a kennel switches lines and get rid of the other stuff. Usually if a line you are running is lacking something or starts getting to tight you add to it, not get rid of it.
miakoda
03-24-2007, 12:56 PM
Another thing is, I think it is strange when a kennel switches lines and get rid of the other stuff. Usually if a line you are running is lacking something or starts getting to tight you add to it, not get rid of it.
Thank you. I've been holding my breath on this entire thread telling myself, "if you can't say nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all." :D
YoungLion
03-24-2007, 01:01 PM
I dont think i would get any either but to each his own. hope you find what ya need.
Old Timer
03-24-2007, 01:42 PM
myself i wouldn't take any.if you have one good dog from from the kennel just hang on to it,save your money and get a diffrent pup.a good prospect will cost you a lot more than 300 bucks so something is up with her that they ain't letting on about to you.a prospect if your lucky enough to get your hands on one will set you back at least 3 times as much and they don't go often.so if it was me i would look for some blood to make what you already have and are happy with that much better.
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