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Suki
03-16-2007, 06:24 PM
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“Every year in the United States an estimated 5 million animals lose their lives in shelters because they are homeless. That is one pet life lost every 6.5 seconds. The pet overpopulation epidemic is so staggering that for every animal born in the United States to have a home each and every human being would have to own 6 dogs and 9 cats. So, in actuality a family of four…2 parents and 2 small children would have to own 24 dogs and 36 cats. It costs U.S. taxpayers an estimated 2 billion each year to round up, house, kill and dispose of homeless animals.” -- Source: Ryan Newman Foundation website


spay and neuter
can't stress that enough, ....


edit to add the following:


THE REALITY OF PIT BULL ADOPTION


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Never found a home, was euthanized on 06/15/99








About animal shelters...

Shelters and humane societies were created to care for stray and abused animals. They weren't meant to be a drop-off for people who don't want their pets anymore. Shelters, on average, take in 100 new animals or more each day. Let's face it - there won't be enough good homes for all of them. Even the best shelters can't boast much more than a 50% adoption rates. Only the youngest, friendliest, cutest and best-behaved dogs are going to be adopted.

By law, stray pets must be kept several days for their owners to reclaim them. They may not be destroyed until that period is up. These laws don't protect dogs that have been given up by their owners. They may be destroyed at any time. Shelters don't want to kill all these animals but they don't have a choice. There just isn't enough room for all of them. Shelters today are so overcrowded that your dog could be killed the same day it arrives.

Being purebred won't help your dog's chances of adoption either - almost half of the dogs in many shelters are purebreds. Chances are things will be worse for your dog because he is a Pit Bull. Due to the breed's bad reputation and the attraction these dogs have on undesirable individuals, *many* shelters across the nation have a "non-adoption" policy on Pit Bull type dogs and will not put them up for adoption at all. Your dog may be as good as dead when he walks in the door. If your Pit Bull is old, has health problems or poor attitudes toward strangers; its chances of adoption are slim to none.

Sending your dog to a shelter in hopes that he'll find a good home is wishful thinking. It's more likely that you'll be signing your Pit Bulls death warrant. A shelter is your last resort only after all your best efforts have failed.




About "no-kill" shelters and breed rescue services...

True "no-kill" shelters are few and far between. Obviously, no one wants to see their pet killed so the demand for no-kill shelter services is high. So high that they're forced to turn away many pets because they don't have room for them all. Often, they have to choose only the most adoptable dogs to work with. Pit Bulls are certainly not the easiest dogs to place....

Breed rescue services are small, private, shelter-like groups run by volunteers dedicated to a particular breed. Most of them operate out of the volunteer's home. Like no-kill shelters, demand for their services is high, so high that your dog may be turned away for lack of room. A breed rescue can still help you place your dog by providing referrals to persons interested in adopting your dog. You'll have the most success if you follow the rescue service's advice and are willing to do your share of the work to find a new home.






Reconsider...

Before you go along with putting your dog up for adoption, please remember that the dogs featured in PBRC are all in dire need of a home. Many come from fighting rings, abusive homes, neglect, or from homelessness. Some of their stories are so hard to believe, except that there are pictures and scars to back them up. These dogs face death everyday, and in many cases will not receive placement in the time they are allowed.

If you provide love, a daily walk, some space (which doesn't have to be a lot, just enough), proper training, and food and water, your dog has a much better home than most of those looking for placement. We know that you may feel that you don't have what it takes to properly care for him or her, but we believe that your dog is receiving all that he needs. In a world as over populated and dangerous for Pit Bull dogs, you are the best chance that your family pet has.

We recommend that if you need support or any assistance in caring for, training, or just venting about your dog, join us on the Pitbull-L (http://www.pbrc.net/pitbull-l/). This mailing list is full of people with many expertise that can help you overcome many problems or question you may have. People who will help you see that the best place for your dog, is with you.

If you still want to go along with the adoption and find a new home for you dog, please take the time to carefully read the following guidelines:
ADOPTION STEPS AND SCREENING TIPS (http://www.pbrc.net/adoption/searching.html)




CrazyK9
03-16-2007, 06:44 PM
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Callie, euthanized Aug '06.
A scared pit bull couldn't compete with the happy-go-lucky puppies or small, fluffy lap dogs. She and 75% of the dogs in the shelter never make it out alive.
You can see the fear in her face. She died in the hands of strangers.

In the time it took to read this, another pet is dead.

chloesredboy
03-16-2007, 07:06 PM
so sad,my mom just found two pups that were dumped,she allready has 4 dogs so she called A.C and they told her if she brought them in thay woul be taken right to the back,she ended up taking them to he humane society instead where they might at least have a small chance.I like the fact that they pointed out about how shelters are supposed to be for strays/lost pets.When i worked at the shelter 90% of the animals were just pets no longer wanted or had become inconveniant to the owners.There were actually people who would bring in pets they'd had for years for the simple reason that they wanted a different type of dog!I really remember one who sticks out in my mind,an eight year old beautiful,purebred,obediant golden called shiloh,the owners brought her in because she was past her puppy bearing age,They bred these goldens and had to get rid of shiloh to make room for another,younger female.It still makes me want to vomit!It turned out that she was only with us for about a week before an older retired couple took her home(YAY!).But most arent as lucky as her,she just happened to be lucky that she was really an exceptional dog.we thought about charging people to dump their pets ,but in the end it was decided that this would just do more harm than good.I personally think that offering free or very low cost spay and neuter clinics would be the most effective way to tackle the problem.well sorry to ramble but i also wanted to say how cool it was to bring up pbrc,thats how i found my Izzy!

Phebes
03-16-2007, 08:11 PM
So everyone just keep breeding those Apbts and don't forget to post pix of all those litters so I can have a good cry.
I am sorry but the blight of the homeless dogs in this country makes me nuts and people just keep breeding and they all think it is not them causing the problem.

Michele
03-16-2007, 08:26 PM
If you provide love, a daily walk, some space (which doesn't have to be a lot, just enough), proper training, and food and water, your dog has a much better home than most of those looking for placement. We know that you may feel that you don't have what it takes to properly care for him or her, but we believe that your dog is receiving all that he needs. In a world as over populated and dangerous for Pit Bull dogs, you are the best chance that your family pet has.
so true, so true.......

CrazyK9
03-16-2007, 10:50 PM
So everyone just keep breeding those Apbts and don't forget to post pix of all those litters so I can have a good cry.
I am sorry but the blight of the homeless dogs in this country makes me nuts and people just keep breeding and they all think it is not them causing the problem.
But the responsible breeders on this board (and everywhere) don't provide dogs to the public. They keep the dogs themselves, trade or sell among fellow dogmen, and cull as often as needed.

The problem is people selling to friends, family, and strangers intact, even if there is a contract between them... And the people who can't keep their bitches in heat properly contained, inside, away from other dogs... And the ones who supply the demand for puppies. Etc.

My 2 pets are rescues and I have made a lifetime commitment to them. They are altered of course. Neither one is outside without supervision but always have ID on them just in case. I am and always will be working towards putting a dent in the over-population problem. Be it through educating ignorant neighbors or even strangers ...or volunteering time, money and space (through fostering) to dogs in need.
I plan to breed in the future. But I also plan to keep doing rescue, volunteering, and educating. Do you consider that to be contributing to the problem? If so, I'd like to know just what you're doing that's so great.

Phebes
03-18-2007, 12:10 AM
But the responsible breeders on this board (and everywhere) don't provide dogs to the public. They keep the dogs themselves, trade or sell among fellow dogmen, and cull as often as needed.

The problem is people selling to friends, family, and strangers intact, even if there is a contract between them... And the people who can't keep their bitches in heat properly contained, inside, away from other dogs... And the ones who supply the demand for puppies. Etc.

My 2 pets are rescues and I have made a lifetime commitment to them. They are altered of course. Neither one is outside without supervision but always have ID on them just in case. I am and always will be working towards putting a dent in the over-population problem. Be it through educating ignorant neighbors or even strangers ...or volunteering time, money and space (through fostering) to dogs in need.
I plan to breed in the future. But I also plan to keep doing rescue, volunteering, and educating. Do you consider that to be contributing to the problem? If so, I'd like to know just what you're doing that's so great.
Well for one thing I have not be responsible for a dog being bred in 40 years, Every dog or cat I have owned in the last 40 years have been spayed and neutered. I foster for a local rescue (cats not dogs and have had as many as 24 cats here and paid for their spay and neutering). I set traps out and catch feral cats and spay and neuter them. And if people were dropping off dogs in the woods instead of cats where I live I guess I would also be catching dogs a having them fixed as well.
But the responsible breeders on this board (and everywhere) don't provide dogs to the public. They keep the dogs themselves, trade or sell among fellow dogmen, and cull as often as needed.
How many is that? Many on this board have web sites advertising and selling the dogs they breed. I am sure there are some that keep the pups but they are few. And then there are those who breed and have no idea how long a female is in season, how long she bleeds after giving birth, how long the pups nurse, is it normal for the female to refuse to let her pups nurse and the list goes on. These people have no business breeding. Shit I am not even sure they should be allowed to own a dog much less breed them. Maybe they shouldn't even be allowed to look at dogs.
I plan to breed in the future. But I also plan to keep doing rescue, volunteering, and educating. Do you consider that to be contributing to the problem?
And yes if you are planing on breeding you also are part of the problem.
I can't find an article written by the founder of Pit Bull Rescue but she is very articulate when stating no one should be breeding APBTs for a few years until the population of this breed is under control.

CynthiaATL
03-18-2007, 12:22 AM
While I was in Colorado going to school to be a tech I worked in a "no kill" shelter. And it was far from no kill. It was so hard. To go get the dog out the kennel and he/she was so happy to be let out wagging tail and all. And to have to take that walk. I swear I left crying everyday. Also the director would not adopt out "pits" because she said that they are a ticking time bomb. Even puppies.

It is a sad reality. I just wish I could do more. I went to AC last tuesday with a co worker she wanted to adopt a cat. I saw this 2 month old blk/white pit pup. I asked about if it will be available for adoption. And they said no.

chloesredboy
03-18-2007, 02:01 AM
While I was in Colorado going to school to be a tech I worked in a "no kill" shelter. And it was far from no kill. It was so hard. To go get the dog out the kennel and he/she was so happy to be let out wagging tail and all. And to have to take that walk. I swear I left crying everyday. Also the director would not adopt out "pits" because she said that they are a ticking time bomb. Even puppies.

It is a sad reality. I just wish I could do more. I went to AC last tuesday with a co worker she wanted to adopt a cat. I saw this 2 month old blk/white pit pup. I asked about if it will be available for adoption. And they said no.Thats why i had to leave the shelter,even befor i went to school i was there as a kennel tech/assistant.I couldnt do it and now im crying just thinking about it....

CrazyK9
03-18-2007, 03:09 AM
And yes if you are planing on breeding you also are part of the problem.
I'm sorry but that, to me, is a truely ignorant statement. I used to think the same thing, but the fact is, true dogmen keep their animals in their own little circle or put them under ground.

Anything I produce (when I do, which won't be often) will be on my yard or my mentor's. Occasionally, I will probably sell or trade dogs to other kennels (who I know will bury a dog before they let the public get its hands on it), but for the most part, I am breeding to better my yard. Any dog that leaves will be kept track of until the day they die.

I am very aware that there is always a chance that a dog I produce will end up in a bad situation, but I plan on doing everything possible to reduce that risk. For example, I won't sell to non-working homes or kennels that I have any reservations about.


However, you are right about this board. There are very few responsible breeders here --and even fewer who live up to my definition of the term, and I'm sure yours-- but they do exist. I do agree, though, that most people shouldn't even own a dog, let alone be breeding.

If you really believe that I will be adding to the problem, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.