Slat vs Carpet Mill or none

[LuNoTiCK]

What do you guys prefer and why.

[Bubba]

How bout a poll answer of both. They are used for different purposes, wind and stregnth...

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[LuNoTiCK]

Fixed for BBK. :).

[Texasbulldogs]

I personally prefer good old fashion roadwork. A mill can come in handy on them rainy days but nothing can beat roadwork. A good dog, conditioning harness (with tracer), and time that’s all I’ve ever used. I would use a slat mill if I lived in the city though. But then again they sound like a damn freight train when a dog is working them.

[Bubba]

All voted now :D
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[BFKENNEL]

Me, I personally prefer slatmill. We here in the Philippines experience a great number of typhoons and we cannot do roadworks as often as we want. And a good slatmill will do come handy in conditioning a dog for a show. And for the strenght training we can always do the good old style of weight pulling.

[olympianbulldogs]

I Prefer to work my dogs by hooking up my leash to my WP harness & have them pull me on a skateboard for a mile or two. Uphill as much as possible & I also run em alongside me on the bike up to 3 to 5 miles. Another thing I just started is Running them on the bike with WP Harness on & drag a Car tire behind them & gradually build up the weight. Ive never tried em on a mill before. its alot more work when u actually gotta exercise with your Dogs & I got 3 that I work everyday pretty much.

[J Henry]

I like roadwork myself. I get my dog worked along with myself.

[rocksteady]

Nothing beats spending time with your best bud..and thats what road work brings to the table

But man...when you're short on time nothing beats a slat mill if you can handle the noise. I know people that put their carpet mills right next to the computer ..killing 2 birds with one stone.

I think a combination of millwork and road work works well. I know in some areas you need to be carefull about the type of equipment you own ..but sometimes doing road work can be just as dangerous especially if you live in an area in where people just dont understand the concept of keeping their dogs secure on their own property.
also..sometimes you get those do gooders who call you in for taking your dog along the car ..

If I had the space I'd put one of those jenny or cat mills up..

[MTNDOG]

I think they both have there uses, I myself am in pretty good shape and I can work the dogs good doing roadwork. If I couldnt do roadwork I would us a slat mill.

[blackbeard]

Slat all the way. A carpet mill will over time put alot of strain on the dog's rear end.What do you guys prefer and why.

[barrowdog]

I have 2 dogs get at least 3-4 miles each day followed by no more than 5 minutes on the slat.Once in the morning and once in evening.

Also work my bitches on the road, followed by swimming in open sea mostly behind boat in good weather.They're in the water for about 4-5 minutes then into boat for rest.Going back across bay they get same 4-5 again.

There is a slight difference in the bitches that get the swimming compared to the dogs getting the millwork.They seem to have more wind and are defenitely fitter and easier to condition.

[KY BOY]

I would have to say slat mill. From there you can go on as to how free spinning of a mill you want the more free spinning the better it does for giving the dog more air but if you get one that is not you can give air and build a little muscle at the same time. Also these days you can get mills that you can hardly hear when the dog is running it which is good for those who live in town and can't take their dogs out for road work all the time for whatever reason.

[who]

have you guys forgotten our four fathers way of conditioning.....CAT MILL....it was used by the most famous DOGMEN in the country....example D M ......... Yes road work is good....but your dog wants to go....go he shall and he'll be tring to pull you the whole way....the cat mill works the best.... the dog is non-stop running.....you have to build your dog up but at the end of the "keep" he'll be going 6 hours....BUT the reason that the slat mill started being used was for a couple of reasons...1..."dogmen" got lazy and wanted to be on the couch, or like whats his name said on the computer...2 a dog didnt like working by himself and wouldn't work the cat mill...so a person would get 2 slat mills and have them face each other that way they would work and you kill 2 birds with one stone....3 and cause conditioning a dog in the city, on a cat mill was out of the question...so really the slat mill was made for HUMAN conveinence....so IF you have the time and patience try the cat mill and you will be stumped that you haven't done it before..

[Texasbulldogs]

“you have to build your dog up but at the end of the "keep" he'll be going 6 hours”

If you are working your dog for six hours straight you will be leaving the dog on the jenny instead of taking him to the show, or he is not working all that hard.

[who]

i dont get what ur saying?.........

[Texasbulldogs]

What I’m saying is; you are either working your dog entirely too much (6 hour straight) and odds are your dog will not be at the show game day or you are working it half ass for 6 hour which makes no sense either way. Why would you need to work your dog that long? If you look (don’t have the energy) in the Journal, 99% (educated guess) of shows end in 2 hours or less. So what is the need for so much more work, which could equate to a minimal of an extra 12 hours of, unneeded work a week (60 the entire keep) on your athlete? That’s a lot of extra stress and time taken from him that could have been best used resting. IMO

[who]

well if your get the tapes from DON M. you could see how to SUCCESSFULLY do this to your dog...you work him up to 6 hours on the mill ....AND YES it is important to work your dog that much if you wanna win....4 days before the contest you let him rest and only road work for a little bit leading up to the show......by the time your dog is in the ring HE HAS NO FAT on him AT ALL and your dog is ready for the show....whether it last 30 min or 4 hours he is ready...
thats what seperates the winners from the losers...i dont see how people work their dogs for only and 1hour or 2 a day and expect him not to get tired at the 1 hour mark.....more than 50% of this game is conditioning i would say 25% on the stradegy you use in the ring and 25% for the dog.....

[Texasbulldogs]

“well if your get the tapes from DON M.”
LOL. That’s all that I need to say!

“you could see how to SUCCESSFULLY do this to your dog”
Why would I won’t to add that much of unneeded time to my dogs workout, when what I am doing is working just fine?

“AND YES it is important to work your dog that much if you wanna win.”
This is really diverting Who, but I’m getting the feeling this is just like your breeding advise except know we are talking about conditioning. Have you ever put one through a keep?

“by the time your dog is in the ring HE HAS NO FAT on him AT ALL and your dog is ready for the show”
I would hope not.

“thats what seperates the winners from the losers”
If that speaking from you own experiences or what others have told you?

“i dont see how people work their dogs for only and 1hour or 2 a day and expect him not to get tired at the 1 hour mark”
That’s because you have never conditioned a dog.

“more than 50% of this game is conditioning i would say 25% on the stradegy you use in the ring and 25% for the dog”
Could you please explain your “strategy” in the ring? If what you say is right, than that should mean you could bring in a mutt and win 3 out of 4. Since according to you 75% of the show is conditioning and strategy. I don't agree with your percentages, but yes a big part of winning is in conditioning.

[who]

YES Texas i have conditioned for a show before so dont be saying i haven't....i conditioned my male ALONG to same lines that i have said before...but like i told you in the chat that one time...he has no wind.....i conditioned him to the BEST of HIS abilities and he still came out with the win but by a narrow margin i went by my dad's conditioning and he said "NO DOGMEN COULD PUT MORE WIND INTO HIM....HE JUST DONT HAVE IT".....and thats from a CROSSED up family....

BUT back to the topic.....the "JENNY" when USED RIGHT.....will get your dog the best results....

[Texasbulldogs]

“but like i told you in the chat that one time...he has no wind”

Like I told you that is your job as a ‘conditioner’ to put wind in them.

“i conditioned him to the BEST of HIS abilities”

According to who? Maybe the best of ‘YOUR” abilities is what should have been said.

“i went by my dad's conditioning”

I figured that.

“he said "NO DOGMEN COULD PUT MORE WIND INTO HIM....HE JUST DONT HAVE IT"”

How does he know? He didn’t even see the dog, so how could he say that? Do you really think he would say anything but good things about the conditioning of a dog using his keep?

“and thats from a CROSSED up family.”

Being crossed has nothing to do with having ‘natural’ wind or not. If that was high on you list in what you wanted in a dog, why did you get that dog?

[GrChPitBitch]

I would rather do road work...
A mill never looks too good sitting in the gorage anyway...
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[who]

NOw TEXAS you just started bashing my dad and now im getting a little pissed....i said that ME AND MY DAD conditioned this dog like carzt....DID NO GOOD...like i said he just dont have it......and i dont understand why thats the first thing you grab for ....BASHING.....i tell you somthing and you just totally disregard it as if i havn't even said anything....

i got the dog before i even really knew about bloodlines.....crossing pure or what ....i got hooked u[p by my mom....her old boyfriend is the guy i got it from....in CA....the lancaster area....but after i LEARNED the truth about ANY bloodline.....it was and IS clear.....but ill just see you around then....

[GrChPitBitch]

Hey Tex, if you can't say something nice, dont say anything at all... You are ALWAYS starting something with someone....
I dont like coming on here and reading about how "smart you are, and how stupid everyone else is.."....

[who]

thank you Gr.CH. but i dont guess he'll ever change

[Texasbulldogs]

“NOw TEXAS you just started bashing my dad and now im getting a little pissed”

No I just stated my opinion (that most in the game share). I don’t want you to be mad Who, we are just having a debate here.

“i said that ME AND MY DAD conditioned this dog like carzt”

No you did not! I’ll refresh your memory, you said, “i conditioned him” and “i went by my dad's conditioning”. When did ‘I’ turn into ‘we’?

“i dont understand why thats the first thing you grab for ....BASHING.”

I’m not bashing you, just pointing out your inconsistencies and the advice you preach so highly about, you yourself don’t even follow. But yet you don’t tell those, you are giving out the advice too.

“i tell you somthing and you just totally disregard it as if i havn't even said anything”

No what I do is break down what you are saying and put it in context.

“i got the dog before i even really knew about bloodlines”

Nothing wrong with that, most start off the same way.

[who]

if most of us start out that way why you still bashing me for not practicing what i preach....im getting MY FIRST one this comeing spring....i have just chose to WAIT for the breeding THAT I WANT...just because i am a follower of R.K. doesnt mean ill just take anything off him....and yes....I CONDITIONED the dog i had....and i conditioned under my dads SUPERVISION....so i would say me and my dad conditioned this dog....just stop bashing and our debates would go along alot better

[nc_pitbulls]

ok enough is enough we all have our own way of conditioning , either it be tredmill , catmill , the good ole road work , slat mill or carpet mill. what ever you're doin can use improvement. NON OF US HAVE THE "PERFECT" BULLDOG , that's why proceed to making our yard better , if you cross or don't corss there are many ways for making a blooline better we all know this. if you condition your dog for 2 to3 hour or 6 hours , if you're winning with what you got than you shouldn't have to worry about what others say unless it's something to , try it out and if it doesn't work than stick to what you were doind before. we dogmen and yes there will be times like this where conversations will get heated and emotionally , but if you think about the great dogmen from the past they had there moments , but that had great respect for each other we need to follow their foot steps in the respecting part. i love the apbt and would trade any other breed for it! just remember it doesn't hurt to try new things it may works for the better of you dogs , look at how lonzo , carver , crenshaw , jerry , mnt man(les) , and other great dog man , do or did things and better it. i know i got off track a little , but my point is don't down play some elses way of working their dogs unless you know it works or not other than that.......that's all i have to say.

[Texasbulldogs]

“Hey Tex, if you can't say something nice, dont say anything at all”

I haven’t stated anything but the facts.

“You are ALWAYS starting something with someone”

I in fact what you say is true, could you please point it out for me?

“I dont like coming on here and reading about how "smart you are, and how stupid everyone else is.."”

Never once have I stated such. Why are you intimating that I have? Also just so you know, I was PM’ed by ‘Who’ for my opinion on this and another one of his post. So should I have not obliged his specific request?

[Jenn]

:eek: Glad it's not just me.

[nc_pitbulls]

i'm not taking noones side and i have no prolems with texas he seems like a really cool person , just really up front with his opinions , all our opinions count but like i said you can't knock it if you haven't tried it!!!!!!!

[nc_pitbulls]

i'm getting ready to do something constructive like condition my dog , it's time for his workout! he love to work and loves roadwork he wont stop pulling till after 2 hours work roadwork then he'll slow down a bit before he starts back up.

[Texasbulldogs]

“if most of us start out that way why you still bashing me for not practicing what i preach”

I’m not bashing, and most don’t give out advise, that they themselves have never even had experience with.

“im getting MY FIRST one this comeing spring”

That’s good. I wish you the best of luck with it.

“just because i am a follower of R.K. doesnt mean ill just take anything off him”

Never said it did.

“yes....I CONDITIONED the dog i had....and i conditioned under my dads SUPERVISION....so i would say me and my dad conditioned this dog”

Why didn’t you just state that in the beginning? Why does your statements always change for post to post?

“just stop bashing and our debates would go along alot better”

Again I have not “bashed” you! Why did you ask for my opinion if you didn’t want it?

[who]

finally CONSTRUCTIVE criticism from TEXAS....i agree with NC on the whole opinion stuff....i was merely expressing my opinion.....the keep i use for my dog(s) is straight from D M...with a little bit of changes....this work works GREAT for me...and i was just stating this fact for others to TRY...but from the bashing i got from TEXAS the message was lost and i was forced to defend myself..(in a way)....but i hope the debates on this site get better this is a good site and i hope to better it.....

[dangersouth]

i would like to know if anyone could give me any input on how to start on building a slat mill

[dangersouth]

please anyone just leave me a message or somethin beause any input would be greately appreiated thanks

[Saiyagin]

I would use both the more tools the better you just gotta know how t use each equipment the right way.