AmStaff Blood?

[Lethalpits]

What do ya'll think about AmStaff blood?

Well, actually what do ya'll think about AmStaff blood being scattered into bulldogs?

Do you think it makes a bulldog less of a bulldog? Does it make not 100% APBT?

I'm sure there's not many bulldogs out there that have been outcrossed with Amstaff blood, but here's one thats in my blue males pedigree in 5th gen.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=68243

[pittfallin]

my dog has some amstaff in it also, people have mixed opinions but i think it makes no diffrence

[GSDbulldog]

It makes your dog a PIT'R'STAFF, or a "hybrid" (As a big-name in our breed likes to call them).

Since "hybrids" are typically associated with dogs bred for looks or the showring, I'm more apt to call them staffs than APBTs.

But I won't judge a dog by papers alone.

[WWII]

What do ya'll think about AmStaff blood?

Well, actually what do ya'll think about AmStaff blood being scattered into bulldogs?

Do you think it makes a bulldog less of a bulldog? Does it make not 100% APBT?

I'm sure there's not many bulldogs out there that have been outcrossed with Amstaff blood, but here's one thats in my blue males pedigree in 5th gen.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=68243
Well, just my 2cents... I know of a dog that has some ruffian closer up in it's ped and it's a BULLDOG. It has a lot of the same blood your's does. It shouldn't matter, IF the staffs are working dogs. They both came from the same dogs. It's just that most staffs went the way of the showring.

[Lethalpits]

Man, I've never heard that one lol. Pit'r'staff. Well, the staff blood in my boy is past 5th gen and it's from one dog so I don't pay it much attention, but it's still there.

By the way that pedigree link is to a dog in my dog's 5th gen, not my dog himself. WW2 any idea if that dog is on peds? I'm curious to see a good workin staff bred dog. I hear ya on that too. There's been word of some game ass ruffian dogs. Hell they all stemmed from working APBTs, but like ya'll said alot went way of the show ring.

Are there Amstaffs that made a name in the go ring?

[MASON]

I don't think it will make the animal less of a bulldog as long as the Staff can work. There are a hand full of Amstaffs today that are workers but most of them are specifically bred for looks and are wall flowers. I like the Ruffian and some Tacoma dogs, I was impressed when I saw their ability. I really don't think there is a difference in the old school Amstaffs of the 70's from the APBT but definitely a difference in todays Amstaffs.

[pittfallin]

my girl has alot of ruffian in her but its back in the 7th gen...but she has alot if you look that far back

[Lethalpits]

my girl has alot of ruffian in her but its back in the 7th gen...but she has alot if you look that far back
Most of the Gaff and York dogs are bred down from Amstaffs. I think your girl is mostly bred down from amstaffs too as all the dogs in her 4th gen are bred down from them. She looks look good and in standard though.

This is my boy's ped. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=230913

He's scattered to hell. That Amstaff stuff shows up on Lowe's Sad Sadie in 4th gen.

[simms]

Well, just my 2cents... I know of a dog that has some ruffian closer up in it's ped and it's a BULLDOG. It has a lot of the same blood your's does. It shouldn't matter, IF the staffs are working dogs. They both came from the same dogs. It's just that most staffs went the way of the showring.

True........

[simms]

What do ya'll think about AmStaff blood?

Well, actually what do ya'll think about AmStaff blood being scattered into bulldogs?

Do you think it makes a bulldog less of a bulldog? Does it make not 100% APBT?

I'm sure there's not many bulldogs out there that have been outcrossed with Amstaff blood, but here's one thats in my blue males pedigree in 5th gen.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=68243

The only thing worth mentioning on that ped is the Gonner blood.

[Lethalpits]

The only thing worth mentioning on that ped is the Gonner blood.
I was simply showing that the pedigree listed is of a dog that is bulldog/amstaff crossed. It's a pedigree of a dog back in my dog's ped.

[TripleJ]

Well about 15 years ago P.M at airhead kennels had a bit of am staff (working stuff) in his dogs ,and that man was HARD to beat he would go any where in to any one with them and He broke a lot of harts with his dogs. last time I talked to him he no longer had any of them his yard was stolen from so much he got sick of it all and moved, and his old line died out. But they were good game hard dogs to beat. Yis J

[CrazyK9]

If the dog is a bulldog, hes a bulldog ...regardless of pedigree. The only thing is, typically, AmStaffs aren't bred for gameness and that makes them a lot less likely to produce a true bulldog. So if you have an AmStaff thats truely game (which no one can confidently say unless they admit to breaking the law) then, hey, congrats! You don't have just a pretty cur, you have yourself a bulldog.

[Old Timer]

What do ya'll think about AmStaff blood?

Well, actually what do ya'll think about AmStaff blood being scattered into bulldogs?

Do you think it makes a bulldog less of a bulldog? Does it make not 100% APBT?

I'm sure there's not many bulldogs out there that have been outcrossed with Amstaff blood, but here's one thats in my blue males pedigree in 5th gen.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=68243noe i don't care for it,i belive keep your pit's pit's and your staffs staffs.i never have owned a dog with staff blood in em and i never will.i own game dogs not mongrels and if your pit has staff blood in it is a mongrel in my opinion.i said it from day one and i have always thought that way.and will continue to think that way till i am in the ground.

[Lethalpits]

I seen that Gr. Ch. Boogieman's got a small outcross of Ruffian in him, still made a hard line from what I've heard.

Old Timer have you seen any workin staffs or bulldogs with staff blood in em that were in the go ring? I'm talkin the Amstaffs not the SBTs or the Psycho lines. I'm wonderin if any of the Amstaff lines had some dogs that still had some game in em.

[FearlessKnight]

noe i don't care for it,i belive keep your pit's pit's and your staffs staffs.i never have owned a dog with staff blood in em and i never will.i own game dogs not mongrels and if your pit has staff blood in it is a mongrel in my opinion.i said it from day one and i have always thought that way.and will continue to think that way till i am in the ground.Now thats how you stand up for what you truly believe in....and I couldn't agree more!

[PorsA]

we have two amstaffs off 100% Ruffian line and they are good working dogs with alot of drive and no big head lazzy fat dogs thats only shits and eats. But I know they are not pitbulls and sure aren't gamebred. Pitbulls are banned in my country since 1993 so the old amstaff lines are as close as possible we can get to the real deal. Amstaffs with fci papers are not banned by law.

But i think a gamebred dog is a bulldog and a amstaff is a amstaff.

[Old Timer]

I seen that Gr. Ch. Boogieman's got a small outcross of Ruffian in him, still made a hard line from what I've heard.

Old Timer have you seen any workin staffs or bulldogs with staff blood in em that were in the go ring? I'm talkin the Amstaffs not the SBTs or the Psycho lines. I'm wonderin if any of the Amstaff lines had some dogs that still had some game in em.i have and i tell ya there ain't no comparisson.you can tell right off the bat they ain't bulldogs.they just don't have the special something a good gamebred dog does.if your happy with your animal thats what counts you have to like what you own and raise don't ever raise or keep something for anyone but yourself.and for me it is gamebred APBT's and a select few other dogs for hunting and guarding.but my passion is my ol bulldogs.

[rpk]

I don't like amstaff blood because it dilutes the pitbull gameness traint almost everytime. There are few exceptions. I do not agree with adba allowing amstaff dogs to be registered as pitbulls but it has been going on for years. That has contributed to some negative traits such as temperment and health problems.

[Lethalpits]

I don't like amstaff blood because it dilutes the pitbull gameness traint almost everytime. There are few exceptions. I do not agree with adba allowing amstaff dogs to be registered as pitbulls but it has been going on for years. That has contributed to some negative traits such as temperment and health problems.Amstaffs have different health problems than game dogs? I figured their temperment would be less aggression.

[Old Timer]

Amstaffs have different health problems than game dogs? I figured their temperment would be less aggression.what do you mean by aggression?

[Marty]

what do you mean by aggression?I would assume the dog aggression since amstaffs have been bred for no DA at all ;)

[Old Timer]

I would assume the dog aggression since amstaffs have been bred for no DA at all ;)i figured that but the way he worded it,it sounded like he thought APBT's were human aggressive.and thats a myth that doesn't sit right with me.

[Marty]

i figured that but the way he worded it,it sounded like he thought APBT's were human aggressive.and thats a myth that doesn't sit right with me.I hear ya ;)

***Edited*** As the young folks says "I feel ya!"

[Verderben]

Here is my Ruffian Boys Ped

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=233969