A rule of thumb about blue dogs

[redripper]

I know alot of folks on here won't breed to blue dogs because they don't think they are true to type game dogs and what not. I understand where the sentiment comes from, but I don't dismiss a dog just based on color.
When I first started getting into dogs, I must admit, I thought blues were something special. I went out to talk to my uncle about getting a dog, because he had been breeding for decades. His response to me was, "what the hell does color have to do with anything?" I responded that I just thought they looked cool and that they were rare. He of course informed me that they weren't all that rare and that if I hung around long enough I would understand that looks don't make the bulldog, but if I was dead set on it, he'd find me a good one.
A good rule of thumb he said is, "if they are being bred for color, or money, or they come from unproven dogs, then they are probably curs and you don't want anything to do with them. If two good dogs throw a blue then that dog has just as good a chance as any dog in the litter of being a good dog."
I don't know, to me it made allot of sense. My uncle bred nothing but game dogs his whole life, and every so often one of his dogs would throw a blue fawn (or fawn bluies according to the adba), and alot of them turned out to be fantastic dogs from what I've been told.
I know folks that won't breed rednoses because they say so many of the fad breeders a while back ruined the stock, but I think the same rule of thumb applies. You can't judge a dog by it's color.
By the way...I never did get a blue dog.

Yall tell me what you think.

[DiMaSaLaNg]

LOL...nice story.

so what did you get instead of a blue one?

[redripper]

LOL...nice story.

so what did you get instead of a blue one?A red one, with a black mask and white markings from my uncle. I'm pleased with her.

[Scotsman]

A few years ago I had a dog that was off a double bred son of Yellow. The mother was a Norrod dog. My buddy had a 1/2 sister, same sire but the bottom was Alligator. So he bred her to my male, and she had 6 pups, 3 black, 1white w/ a brown spot, a red and tan and a blue and tan.
I always thought that was weird.
When I lived in AZ I did see someone with some nice looking blues at a show. They were small and in the best shape of any dog there.

[ABK]

I don't think color itself has anything to do w/ it, but rather breeding ethics. Blue has been around for Lord knows how long & most blues were "normal" looking dogs. It's only since the fad breeders decided to couple the blue color w/ their non-standard dogs & bred for those 2 items alone (big size & blue color) that blue has become taboo.

As a side note, there is a dog named Kollar's Smokey who was a dark blue brindle. I think he was Yellow bred as well. When I made a point to someone about him being a dark blue brindle, the owner freaked out & took Smokey's pic off his site.

[Michele]

ok, what type of ABPT is this? This is my neighbors dog: I'm confused about this "blue" thing....

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/Michelejc/Blue.jpg

[FearlessKnight]

ok, what type of ABPT is this? This is my neighbors dog: I'm confused about this "blue" thing....

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/Michelejc/Blue.jpg It appears to have a black nose and looks a bit on heavy/short & stocky side....I would say IMO just another one of those...ya know!
True blues ARE RARE...they are not bred for color, and they have grey noses.

[NOLEFAN]

Everytime somebody tells me they have a blue apbt I ask to see it, and everytime, I am shown an overweight, and obviously a crossbred mutt. I have never seen a conformation blue (in person), I know that doesn't mean they are not out there, it is just that I have never seen one in person, only a pic or two.

Color means nothing, if all a person cares about is color, then they know nothing.


My rule of thumb is, if I hear somebody say they have a "blue pitbull", theres a 99.9999999999999999% chance they are full of doodoo.

[ABK]

It appears to have a black nose and looks a bit on heavy/short & stocky side....I would say IMO just another one of those...ya know!
True blues ARE RARE...they are not bred for color, and they have grey noses.It is a genetic impossibilty for a blue dog to have a black nose. I'm sure as you already know, blue is simply the result of the recessive dilute allele acting on a black coat. Since dilute prohibits the formation of ALL black pigment a black nosed blue is impossible. They can have a very dark blue nose, but not a black one.

Here is a pic of one of my dark blue females, Indigo Rose:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/19952.jpg

Her nose looks black (in fact SHE looked black in poor light) but I assure you it was blue.

BTW, she was by a black & white dog & out of a red/blacknosed bitch & weighed in at a whopping 40 lbs! So not all blues are big, fat, hoggish monsters bred for color! ;)

[Michele]

True blues ARE RARE...they are not bred for color, and they have grey noses so, if i see a APBT and its nose is grey, most of the time, that's a blue. Thanks....appreciate it..

[FearlessKnight]

so, if i see a APBT and its nose is grey, most of the time, that's a blue. Thanks....appreciate it.. Or as ABK stated "dark blue nose" I tend to call it grey, same difference :D
but they are never black....not on a true blue!

[ABK]

southeastern: Blue, grey, same thing.

Michelle: The dog in the picture you provided was blue & white. But just b/c a APBT has a blue nose doesn't mean it's blue. I've seen blue buckskins, blue fawns, blue sables as well as white dogs who all have had blue noses. ;)

BTW, just for SNG, here is another one of my dark blue females. This is Indigo's daughter, Emmy. She is an even darker blue & provides an even more striking contrast. Like Indigo, her nose looks black & in poor light SHE looked black, but both she & her nose were actually a very dark blue.


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6278/emmy2sm1.jpg

[Michele]

southeastern: Blue, grey, same thing.

Michelle: The dog in the picture you provided was blue & white. But just b/c a APBT has a blue nose doesn't mean it's blue. I've seen blue buckskins, blue fawns, blue sables as well as white dogs who all have had blue noses. ;)

BTW, just for SNG, here is another one of my dark blue females. This is Indigo's daughter, Emmy. She is an even darker blue & provides an even more striking contrast. Like Indigo, her nose looks black & in poor light SHE looked black, but both she & her nose were actually a very dark blue.


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6278/emmy2sm1.jpg
ok, thanks. BTW, the dog in the pic is stunning....

[purplepig]

I had a blue pup out of my last litter of PonchoXRed Vegas. Poncho is black, Mocha is black and white. All pups are black w/white mrks, but one. She come out light blue as could be. I'll upload a pic of her and let you see her. She'll be a smaller dog.

[ABK]

I wanna see!! I wanna see!!

[MAXIM]

I GOT A BLUE...I didnt buy him just cause he was blue, BUT he was the cutest out of the litter and he ran to me right away, so i fell in love...His bro's & sisters were all different colors, blue/white, fawn, brindle, blue/fawn, but Max just happened to be more blue than all the others...But NEways, i love him!!!!

[realonebulldog]

I had a blue pup out of my last litter of PonchoXRed Vegas. Poncho is black, Mocha is black and white. All pups are black w/white mrks, but one. She come out light blue as could be. I'll upload a pic of her and let you see her. She'll be a smaller dog. I know this, black chicken + white chicken= grey-blue chicken. Hope this helps...lol

[SAM_I_AM]

I know this, black chicken + white chicken= grey-blue chicken. Hope this helps...lolOne fish + Two fish = Red fish + Blue fish.....

yea I got it... :D LMFAO

[Lethalpits]

Neither one of my dog's parents were blue. The father was black/white and the mother was a white cow patch red nose female. My boy was the only blue/seal dog in the litter, the rest were black/seal with white and there was a beautiful all white girl. I knew I had ran into more of a show breeder since the parents were on the larger side and (sire had to be around 65 and mother around 55)
and just the way he talked about his dogs.
Back then, I didn't know how to read pedigrees, so he caught me with all the game lines he was showing me from 4th-6th gen and thats what I use to call my dog at first.

Anyway, my intention was to get the solid white female, but the blue male turned out to be the dominant one in the litter and was catchin my eye.
So I ended up getting him and he's turning out to be a great dog. I wasn't buying into the fad; in fact I didn't know about Gotti and RE's till after I got my dog.

We all know color doesn't make a difference in a bulldog, but the color blue really got put down by all the fad breeders. For some reason, blue and big put together seemed like a great idea. What really sucks is that it makes it even that much harder for people who own blue bulldogs to prove a point.
I think it's funny that if I would've got one of the black males, I wouldn't be getting so much heat.

My dog is not that big at all, he works constantly, driven, and ready to go. He's bigger than most game dogs, but that's due to show lines. Great confirmation so far and he will be showing up in the ADBA ring. His first fun show will be at the TBA in March.

I've got some updated pictures on the way to show his confirmation stance.

Here's a video clip of him going on 7 mnths. He's already about 45 lbs. now. Probably will top out around 65 lbs. and conditioned down to the high 50s.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=236666


BTW: I always thought he had a black nose, but over time it looks like it ended up a really dark blue.

[miakoda]

I agree with ABK. We do NOT hate blue dogs, we hate the fact that unethical people have jumped on them as "rare" dogs & started breeding them solely for their color & then size alone forgoing any reference to the breed standard.

Blue is a dilution of black. It happens. But to then breed that dog just because of it's color is w-r-o-n-g. Period. And right now, 99.999% of the blue dogs out there were bred solely for their color while working ability was just tossed out the window.

And also, the blue dogs that occurred naturally were actually a very dark blue or dark grey looking. They were not these light coated dogs. The light blues & blue fawns are dogs that have been bred for their coat color for so longer that the color just kept getting diluted.

[ABK]

... but the color blue really got put down by all the fad breeders.Lethal: The color blue didn't get "put down" by all the fad breeders. It got picked UP by all the fad breeders & that's were the problem began!

Mia: You are correct. I have found most blues in game lines are usually a darker blue & most will retain correct nose & eye pigment. Breeding blue to blue to blue will eventually corrupt the pigment & this is where all those "purple" noses & hazel eyes are coming from.

Also, an interesting note, in the Complete Staffordshire Bull Terrier by Danny Gilmoure the Blue Poll was NOT said to be like the blues we see today. The Blue Poll was descibed as a dark blue dog w/ dark eye rims, nose & nails.

[Titch_Pitbull]

So guys what would you call this dog?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/davidsdog012.jpg

[Lethalpits]

Also, an interesting note, in the Complete Staffordshire Bull Terrier by Danny Gilmoure the Blue Poll was NOT said to be like the blues we see today. The Blue Poll was descibed as a dark blue dog w/ dark eye rims, nose & nails.
ABK, my dog has red rims around the eyes and muzzle?

[ABK]

Your picture link isn't working.

[Lethalpits]

Here ya go Titch. That's a good looking bulldog. That's the same color blue as my boy, and I'm hoping he will have that stature when he is an adult.



So guys what would you call this dog?

IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/davidsdog012.jpg[/IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/davidsdog012.jpg

[ABK]

Just looks like a pit bull to me. Pretty dog though & she looks very spoiled! :D

[jadedpitgirl]

So guys what would you call this dog?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/davidsdog012.jpg
Titch, I would call her a blue APBT. I think she looks really nice and correct. And, I love her ears, they are perfect!

[FLpits]

heres my blue about 50lbs



http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/6/1/6/2/Picture062.jpg

[Pitbull219]

So guys what would you call this dog?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/davidsdog012.jpg
lol, looks alot like my dog....

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/bill_excelsior/pic103.jpg

[Titch_Pitbull]

Thanks all. Although I dont own her. She is nice.

Maybe a suprise to you all but she is actually greyline bred. they call it Old Greyline the very beginings of the blue era.

[Michele]

So guys what would you call this dog?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/davidsdog012.jpg
I would call that dog absolutely beautiful.....

[ABK]

they call it Old Greyline the very beginings of the blue era."Old Greyline" must have been the line before they mixed EB into it, eh? (J/K). ;)

[CrazyK9]

Titch, I think that may be the best looking blue I've ever seen. So refreshing to see one that doesn't look like it was bred for color and size alone.



You know, one thing that gets under my skin is when blue "pit" owners think its the color of their dog that people don't like. For me, its usually that they are ASTs and not APBTs. I mean you can have a dog that is a really nice looking Staff but if you call it a Pit Bull then that changes things completely. I don't care if your dog's pedigree has AmStaffs in it or not, a UKC pit bull is typically not an APBT, IMO.

You have a blue dog, it wasn't bred for gameness, it's a cur.
(Ruffian, Watchdog, Razor's Edge, York, Greyline, Gotti, OFRN, etc. being some examples of lines that, for the most part, are being bred by BYBs or just show breeders.)
You have a blue dog, it was bred specifically for gameness, it's an APBT.
(Eli, Chinaman, Jeep, Red Boy, Jocko, Yellow, Mayday, etc. being primarily bred for gameness)

[ABK]

I have to say, this is probably my all time favorite picture of a blue dog:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4522/rippedstaffgl6.jpg

[BoiBoi]

I have to say, this is probably my all time favorite picture of a blue dog:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4522/rippedstaffgl6.jpg
Holy Moly, who's dog is that, its probably up there with the best looking blue dog i've seen

[Chopper]

Holy Moly, who's dog is that, its probably up there with the best looking blue dog i've seen
Wow if there were anymore blues that looked like that one i wouldnt have a problem getting blue's, and maybe then all these hippos would go out of style.

[CrazyK9]

Wow, thats impressive for any dog, blue or not. ;)

[DiMaSaLaNg]

wow! damn that blue dog!

[Lethalpits]

Titch, I think that may be the best looking blue I've ever seen. So refreshing to see one that doesn't look like it was bred for color and size alone.



You know, one thing that gets under my skin is when blue "pit" owners think its the color of their dog that people don't like. For me, its usually that they are ASTs and not APBTs. I mean you can have a dog that is a really nice looking Staff but if you call it a Pit Bull then that changes things completely. I don't care if your dog's pedigree has AmStaffs in it or not, a UKC pit bull is typically not an APBT, IMO.

You have a blue dog, it wasn't bred for gameness, it's a cur.
(Ruffian, Watchdog, Razor's Edge, York, Greyline, Gotti, OFRN, etc. being some examples of lines that, for the most part, are being bred by BYBs or just show breeders.)
You have a blue dog, it was bred specifically for gameness, it's an APBT.
(Eli, Chinaman, Jeep, Red Boy, Jocko, Yellow, Mayday, etc. being primarily bred for gameness)



So what does that make my dog lol.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=230913

[YoungLion]

thats an APBT

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I have to say, this is probably my all time favorite picture of a blue dog:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4522/rippedstaffgl6.jpg
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[Lethalpits]

That's a great looking APBT. But when you go to save the picture, it says 'rippedstaff'. So in Krazy's terms, it's a cur.

[pittfallin]

i think that there are some really good blue dogs out there and i think that once i get mine in good shape ill be able to have a blue dog that looks great, but blue dogs are getting abad rep. because of these crap breeders breeding the blue hippos

[YoungLion]

this is a cur but the breeders say they are breeding for size,head,chest,temperment,GAMNESS,ATHLETISIM,CONF ORMATION,BLAH,BLAH,BLUE!!!!!!
What gets me is how when i tell folks i only deal with original gamebred APBT they say something like i used to do game but i have children now as if GAME is synonamous with manbiters so just smile and say have a good day. sometimes i will go into how the dogs were handled in oldtimes in the pit and it would not make sense to have manbiters and ect. but hey the whole world seems to be hungry for HIPPOS?

http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/images/lobo080504_lg.jpg

[pittfallin]

what do yall think of my dog?...being blue and all.

i cant wait to get her conditioned so i can post some pics of her,i think yall will really like her when i do.


edit: shes fat in that pic because i had just had surgury and wasnt walking and working her...i need to get a new one up

[YoungLion]

what do yall think of my dog?...being blue and all.

i cant wait to get her conditioned so i can post some pics of her,i think yall will really like her when i do.


edit: shes fat in that pic because i had just had surgury and wasnt walking and working her...i need to get a new one up
she is very pretty she kind of reminds me of the York dogs from VA.

[pittfallin]

she is very pretty she kind of reminds me of the York dogs from VA.shes got some york in her..lol

[YoungLion]

shes got some york in her..lol
this is a york bitch they have some pretty dogs too.
http://yorkkennels.tripod.com/z-nickel.jpg http://yorkkennels.tripod.com/z-nickel2.jpg

York's Nickel

Sire - York's Blue Boomerang and Dam - CH 'PR' York's See A Penny

UKC PEDIGREE (http://yorkkennels.tripod.com/pedigreenickel.html)

[pittfallin]

this is a york bitch they have some pretty dogs too.
http://yorkkennels.tripod.com/z-nickel.jpg http://yorkkennels.tripod.com/z-nickel2.jpg

York's Nickel

Sire - York's Blue Boomerang and Dam - CH 'PR' York's See A Penny

UKC PEDIGREE (http://yorkkennels.tripod.com/pedigreenickel.html)





i like her older dogs alot, im not to fond of her newer ones...

[YoungLion]

i like her older dogs alot, im not to fond of her newer ones...
pretty animals allright just not my cup of tea but anyway yall have a goodnight its going to spend some QT with my wife.

God bless

[lovebeingme]

We have a little blue an white girl in our rescue at the moment. Her name is Annie and she is doll.

Only 15 pounds at 7 months old, I wish I had the room.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/399418315_7ad4193302.jpg

[jaystreetsA4]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=94860



http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/94860.jpg

what about this blue guy?

[Pitbull219]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=94860



http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/94860.jpg

what about this blue guy?I don't care if that dog was purple with green polka-dots, I'd take a dog like that any day!!

[BoogiemanBlood]

shes got some york in her..lolmy boy nicodemus has lots of york and make no mistake about it you can get that dog in fine shape. now does that make it game or anything but besides in shape? no, but if you wanna go to shows you should be able to accomplish that. keep her on that carpet mill...which i watched and she was doing great by the way.....and work a flirtpole.

[Whiskey Bay]

Everytime somebody tells me they have a blue apbt I ask to see it, and everytime, I am shown an overweight, and obviously a crossbred mutt. I have never seen a conformation blue (in person), I know that doesn't mean they are not out there, it is just that I have never seen one in person, only a pic or two.

Color means nothing, if all a person cares about is color, then they know nothing.


My rule of thumb is, if I hear somebody say they have a "blue pitbull", theres a 99.9999999999999999% chance they are full of doodoo.
I haven't been on the site in quite awhile,as most of the older original members know,so I don't know many of the newer members on here.I think I had the first true blue dog on here that was accepted for what he was not outcast for his color.His name was Boo and unfortunately you won't be able to meet him in person,as he was lost to Hurricane Katrina.He was not bully bred in any way,not even Watchdog/Gaff breeding.He came off our hog stock and proved himself time over to be one of the best doggers we had.He never maxed out over 55 pounds,and that was when he was kept kenneled due to injury.He was catching shoats at 14 weeks and by a year was on the regular hunt schedule.He was also an active weight puller and passenger seat driver.My avitar is a pic of him in his "largest" form. While I agree with most on the large Bully bred blues (and even reds/chocolates/and blacks) don't judge a dog by what color the owner mentions.Meet the dog.

[Whiskey Bay]

The two red dogs are his 'Aunts' ,the chocolate male is Gpa,and the blue females are daughters of his.The dark one coming off a blk brindle white daughter of Sasha(one of the red ones) and the lighter female coming off a red brindle daughter of Sasha.2 of only 3 blue phase pups he has ever produced,and he was never bred to a blue.

[purplepig]

Here's the pup that came from the litter:


http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/6/4/3/january262007047.jpg

[Lethalpits]

Good lookin dogs Whiskey. I saw yours around when I first joined the site.

My boy's in the sig. No bully just an ole scatterbred.

[hashishin]

breeding for colors????
a real blue come from any kind off breeding not for breeding blue with blue.
the real blue come from a breedng a red nose male with a black nose female from good bloodline.
i think, and here in my country they are starting to breed only blues, this is amateur breedings. they don't know what they are doing.

apbt is breed for work!!!
the show conterpart i accept but i don't like.

i prefer some hog hunting bloodlines or even bloodlines that are still game tested.

i don't buy a dog for his colour but what the breeder does with the progenitors and what ethic breeding program does he follow.

but i'm just a bull lover.

best regards

[ABK]

That's a great looking APBT. But when you go to save the picture, it says 'rippedstaff'. So in Krazy's terms, it's a cur.Lethal: That dog is NOT an AmStaff. A lot of ppl think "staff" = AmStaff. Not so.

There are many staffordshire strains, to include the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (English), the Irish Staffordshire Terrier & even a Scottish Stafforshire Terrier. The SBT is bred more for show while the Irish & the Scottish staffs are mostly game bred.

The blue dog in the pic is an IRISH staff bred down from the famous CH. Psycho (4xw) bloodline.

Purplepig: Your pup is a cutie! :) You don't often see blues, let alone blues w/ flash in game bred dogs any more.

[CrazyK9]

That's a great looking APBT. But when you go to save the picture, it says 'rippedstaff'. So in Krazy's terms, it's a cur.
Don't put words in my mouth, please. I don't care what breed it is, its a nice looking dog. I don't know if it's a cur or not, again regardless of breed, because I haven't seen it work and don't know what purpose it was bred for.

You're dog could be game and I will never know, but based on its pedigree and what those dogs were bred for, I would have to say he isn't. That is not to be taken as an insult, Lethal. If that's not why you purchased him and are going to breed him for, then I guess it doesn't matter, does it?

BTW, whoever left negative rep points (which I think I know who it was thanks to a PM from that person) for my post commenting on how lovely that blue, ripped Staff was... grow up. Through the internet all you can judge about a dog is looks and pedigree. It doesn't make me "a fad follower." I can like the looks of a dog, but it certainly doesn't mean that's what I think is important in a dog.

[purplepig]

Purplepig: Your pup is a cutie! :) You don't often see blues, let alone blues w/ flash in game bred dogs any more.
And that is a very true, and at the same time, a very sad statement!

When they began to spar, at first all the others would gang up on her, then after a bit, she had enough, and I was lucky enough to watch that happen. There were three of them bullying her in, and all of a sudden she began to bounce on her front legs(I dont know if that makes sense to you), and went after them. She began to attack every one of them. It was so funny. Now, they fight all day long. You hear them out there going off. I hope it stays mild for a while, as I dont want to seperate them early. They learn allot from the interaction the longer they can stay together. they are just 9 1/2 weeks now.

[ABK]

Yea, I know what you mean about the front feet bouncing. I call it their "war dance!" lol.

[Lethalpits]

You have a blue dog, it wasn't bred for gameness, it's a cur.
(Ruffian, Watchdog, Razor's Edge, York, Greyline, Gotti, OFRN, etc. being some examples of lines that, for the most part, are being bred by BYBs or just show breeders.)
You have a blue dog, it was bred specifically for gameness, it's an APBT.
(Eli, Chinaman, Jeep, Red Boy, Jocko, Yellow, Mayday, etc. being primarily bred for gameness)

I didn't put words in your mouth, Krazy.

ABK, I wasn't meaning to say that particular dog isn't game. I've read about that Psycho line.

As far as my dog goes,the first few names on his ped are highly known, doesn't mean he's not a bulldog. He's bred down from some good dogs, no sho AKC/UKC dogs either. I know he wasn't bred for the go ring, though. So I'm getting him ready for confirmation and weights. I wouldn't mind seeing what he'd do on a hog, though.

In my opinion, color really doesn't have to do with anything. As well as picking a pup shouldn't be for color. In a blue dog's case, a good one is usually gonna be out a breeding that wasn't intended for blues. Like I said I was going for a white female, but I decided to pick the most dominant male which was the only blue/seal, and the breeder was keeping a seal/white male.

If you go to someone that put two blue dog's together, more than likely the pups won't be worth much but their looks.

Whatever happened to the Old Family Blues! lol

[CrazyK9]

The blue dog in the pic is an IRISH staff bred down from the famous CH. Psycho (4xw) bloodline.
Lethal, I said a blue that isn't bred for gameness is a cur. Does that dog fit my description? No, it doesn't, so yes, you did put words in my mouth.


BTW, I don't really know if you're aware of this but have you seen this kennel? http://www.petersonpitbull.com/index.html (http://www.petersonpitbull.com/index.html) Pure bullies. Makes me think the papers are hung on this dog in your boy's ped. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=45796 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=45796)

ETA: No offense, I just thought you'd like to know. If I had a dog whose papers might be hung, I'd like to know too.

[Lethalpits]

Lethal, I said a blue that isn't bred for gameness is a cur. Does that dog fit my description? No, it doesn't, so yes, you did put words in my mouth.


BTW, I don't really know if you're aware of this but have you seen this kennel? http://www.petersonpitbull.com/index.html (http://www.petersonpitbull.com/index.html) Pure bullies. Makes me think the papers are hung on this dog in your boy's ped. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=45796 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=45796)

ETA: No offense, I just thought you'd like to know. If I had a dog whose papers might be hung, I'd like to know too.Nah unfortunately it's real. The people that own Clemmons' Big Easy aren't the brightest breeders. This is a littermate to my boy's dam. Don't get me wrong, though, these were working dogs.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=151972

You can tell where some people started forgettin about gameness and started breeding for color back in her 3rd gen.

[purplepig]

Too funny!LOL

[Lethalpits]

Not all the sherman the tank dogs were out of standard dogs back in the day. Different story now. Anyway I don't know how much that strain contributes to my dog since it shows up once in 5th gen. Never said he was bred for the game lol.

[pittfallin]

The two red dogs are his 'Aunts' ,the chocolate male is Gpa,and the blue females are daughters of his.The dark one coming off a blk brindle white daughter of Sasha(one of the red ones) and the lighter female coming off a red brindle daughter of Sasha.2 of only 3 blue phase pups he has ever produced,and he was never bred to a blue.my dogs name is boo...lol
boogie man: thanks for the advice, ive been working her on it for 3 days now and she seems to LOVE it