Puppy Peddling on this Site.

[Scotsman]

I had to make this thread after seeing the feature article "So You Think You Are Going To Make Money Breeding" (or something like that).
It is interesting how you can't advertise pups for sale, but how many people have their kennels web page link listed on their profile or signature? Most of these have pups and breedings listed. To me that is the same as advertising pups on this site. Also interesting is all the people saying get your dog fixed when they themselves are breeding Buff's.
Another thing is I always felt this was a place to educate people on the APBT. To me and others the term "Pit" is ghetto slang for anything that has APBT in it or looks like an APBT. I've never talked to an old timer or for that matter a well known modern dog man that used the name "Pit" when talking about their dogs. Either use American Pit Bull Terrier or better bull dog (which is what many people do). Pits are either under your arms or in the backyard for burying curs.
If this offends anyone well then maybe you are part of the problem.

[Pipbull]

I hate the word 'pit' in reference to our dogs! It bugs the hell out of me.

As far as kennel links in the signatures, I don't see a big problem with it. People are proud of what they do, why not show it? Plus, removing the links from signatures is not going to get rid of puppy peddlers from the forum, because I don't know about the rest of you, but I've gotten a few PMs involving that stuff as it is. I think it would affect more good people than it would get rid of the bad.

[GSDbulldog]

I agree. At this point in time, I am of the belief that no one should be advertising litters to anyone outside of their own "circle". Good, qualified homes for this breed are hard to find and advertising publicly is not helping the cause. Stick to who you can trust. As a general rule, I've found the best breeders on this site do not advertise, and for good reason!

However, I don't believe they need to be removed. There is more than ample information on this site for people to learn the difference between a good and bad breeder.

As far as "pit" goes, I can also agree with that. While we're at it... Let's knock out "pittie", "pibble", and "pet bull"!

[laurajean]

I know there are people on this forum who breed APBTs or "so-called" APBTs and sell them. Perhaps they are part of the problem. Perhaps it is better to leave them on the forum and perhaps they will see the error of their ways and do better by the breed. After belonging to the forum for a while and reading many posts by many people one can get a sense of who is "slinging the bull". I'm really NOT in favor of not letting people have links to their kennel websites. Visit the links and form your own opinion like everyone else does. I enjoy this forum because we have a mix of "pit bull" owners. Discussions sometimes get heated and some users have decided other users are not helping the breed. Then over time, I have seen some users change their minds about what they are doing with their dogs. I think that is a good thing.
As far as using the term "pit bull", I think it is something that is a big issue with many here. I try to say APBT or AmStaff now. But the general public needs education, not to be vilified. Ignorance is curable, stupidity isn't. If one wishes to change another's opinion, it is best to approach that person rationally and respectfully. I, myself, am more amenable to some one who says.."I think you are wrong and here's why" rather than listen to someone who says, "You are stupid and a bad person." Which person would you listen to yourself?
I've learned a whole lot on this forum. I thought I knew more than I did, when I came here. I have learned a lot from the users here who are willing to be friendly and rational. Some of the most experienced with this breed are willing to help newcomers to the breed and have admitted that they don't know everything. Try and keep an open mind, it may do some good for the APBT breed. I do not think we should vilify people who use the term "pit bull." When people use it, I don't think they realize how it offends some of the other users of this forum. I do not think they use the term on purpose to offend.
I think Shon and the moderators are to be commended for having and maintaining this forum. There is certainly a broad mix of dog owners here. And I think it is good to interact with each other and share perspectives. Some people are breeders of fine bloodlines, other people are pet owners, some people are hunters, some have therapy dogs, weight pullers, show dogs, a huge mix. I am in favor of learning about each others perspectives. The APBT is such a versatile breed, I like that I can come here and learn about all the wonderful things people can do with their APBTS. And I think that having an APBT pet is a wonderful thing.
I hope you will stay and share more of your opinions, Scotsman. I suspect that there are people here who are breeding substandard dogs for money, but maybe they will learn better if they are allowed to stick around.
I don't have the time, money, knowledge, nor inclination to breed dogs myself. But I enjoy reading from those who do. And I know my pet, Blue, who is my icon and who is a spayed rescue, gets better care now than she would have if I had never been exposed to game-dog.

[Scotsman]

I think it is one thing to have a link to you kennel but another thing to have pups and breedings listed on it.
To me that is just getting the rule of no advertising. I just think that if you are going to list your website in your signature than maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have pups for sale and breedings listed.
I am glad you agree on the "Pit" thing, GSD and Pip. When I am walking a dog and some one asks me if that is a "Pit" I just look at them confused shrug and walk away.

[Scotsman]

I know there are people on this forum who breed APBTs or "so-called" APBTs and sell them. Perhaps they are part of the problem. Perhaps it is better to leave them on the forum and perhaps they will see the error of their ways and do better by the breed. After belonging to the forum for a while and reading many posts by many people one can get a sense of who is "slinging the bull". I'm really NOT in favor of not letting people have links to their kennel websites. Visit the links and form your own opinion like everyone else does. I enjoy this forum because we have a mix of "pit bull" owners. Discussions sometimes get heated and some users have decided other users are not helping the breed. Then over time, I have seen some users change their minds about what they are doing with their dogs. I think that is a good thing.
As far as using the term "pit bull", I think it is something that is a big issue with many here. I try to say APBT or AmStaff now. But the general public needs education, not to be vilified. Ignorance is curable, stupidity isn't. If one wishes to change another's opinion, it is best to approach that person rationally and respectfully. I, myself, am more amenable to some one who says.."I think you are wrong and here's why" rather than listen to someone who says, "You are stupid and a bad person." Which person would you listen to yourself?
I've learned a whole lot on this forum. I thought I knew more than I did, when I came here. I have learned a lot from the users here who are willing to be friendly and rational. Some of the most experienced with this breed are willing to help newcomers to the breed and have admitted that they don't know everything. Try and keep an open mind, it may do some good for the APBT breed. I do not think we should vilify people who use the term "pit bull." When people use it, I don't think they realize how it offends some of the other users of this forum. I do not think they use the term on purpose to offend.
I think Shon and the moderators are to be commended for having and maintaining this forum. There is certainly a broad mix of dog owners here. And I think it is good to interact with each other and share perspectives. Some people are breeders of fine bloodlines, other people are pet owners, some people are hunters, some have therapy dogs, weight pullers, show dogs, a huge mix. I am in favor of learning about each others perspectives. The APBT is such a versatile breed, I like that I can come here and learn about all the wonderful things people can do with their APBTS. And I think that having an APBT pet is a wonderful thing.
I hope you will stay and share more of your opinions, Scotsman. I suspect that there are people here who are breeding substandard dogs for money, but maybe they will learn better if they are allowed to stick around.
I don't have the time, money, knowledge, nor inclination to breed dogs myself. But I enjoy reading from those who do. And I know my pet, Blue, who is my icon and who is a spayed rescue, gets better care now than she would have if I had never been exposed to game-dog.
I didn't say Pit bull I said "Pit" or "Pitt"

[sedaliapitbulls]

alot of people just say pit or pit bull because it is shorter to type, But we all know what they are talking about so why question it. We all know it is the american pit bull terrier but everytime we want to say that we just dont type it all just put pit or pit bull.

[bakerbt]

I agree with you. Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs. I hate BYB's. The worst part is the people who tell others to get their dogs fixed than you look at their kennel link and they are nothing but a joke. They talk a big game then turn around and breed dogs they shouldn't be bred. You are not the only person that noticed this Scotsman.

[Scotsman]

alot of people just say pit or pit bull because it is shorter to type, But we all know what they are talking about so why question it. We all know it is the american pit bull terrier but everytime we want to say that we just dont type it all just put pit or pit bull.
APBT is pretty easy to type and I stay away from people that talk about "Pits" or "Pitts", these people usually have very little knowledge of the breed.

[Scotsman]

I agree with you. Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs. I hate BYB's. The worst part is the people who tell others to get their dogs fixed than you look at their kennel link and they are nothing but a joke. They talk a big game then turn around and breed dogs they shouldn't be bred. You are not the only person that noticed this Scotsman.
Thanks Baker!!!

[simms]

I agree with you. Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs. I hate BYB's. The worst part is the people who tell others to get their dogs fixed than you look at their kennel link and they are nothing but a joke. They talk a big game then turn around and breed dogs they shouldn't be bred. You are not the only person that noticed this Scotsman.You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bakerbt again. :)

[FearlessKnight]

Well, I know our link in our sig. (which is no longer there) for arguments sake. I surely don't want anybody to think that we peddel pups, because we do not. But we have never had more than one litter per year and I couldn't count the number of people that we have turned down wanting to buy a pup from us. I would rather keep them as opposed to any of them getting in the wrong hands. If someone wants one for a "PET" then he/she does not leave here without first being "fixed" and then it is only to someone who we approve of.
The only litter we will have this year is going to split between us and the owner of the male (WSK). Just because some people peddel their asses off doesn't mean that they all do.
Just because some breed to whatever they can, doesnt mean they all do.

As far as "pit" goes, I feel the same way. My husband asd I have been talking about it a lot lately.....I never really paid that much attention to it until I found out just recently where there name "PIT" came from. I hate it that it is in our name and are looking to get it changed, hopefully we can without too much hassle. I guess we will see.

Good post by the way!

[getemcassius]

ghetto slang ? your a corn ball , bet you wouldnt say that in philly " homeboy "

[GSDbulldog]

ghetto slang ? your a corn ball , bet you wouldnt say that in philly " homeboy "Wow :rolleyes:

"Pitt" is an actor. "Pit" is a hole. "Pit bull" is a type of dog. APBT is a breed.

[Scotsman]

ghetto slang ? your a corn ball , bet you wouldnt say that in philly " homeboy "
I know I would home slice. Just so you know I live in the ghetto, it was nice at one point, but it is ghetto now.

[simms]

I know I would home slice. Just so you know I live in the ghetto, it was nice at one point, but it is ghetto now.

Home slice...LOL

[Big Rod]

ghetto slang ? your a corn ball , bet you wouldnt say that in philly " homeboy "

It is ghetto slang, just like many words many ppl use. Nothing wrong with characterizing a word, because i do believe that is where it originated from. And their are many ghetto's besides blacks and hispanics ones, so dont get your panties all up in a bunch because you think theirs some racist alterior motive going on.

And the only reason i agree with that is cause thats how it is here, thats how its always been here. I use the word bulldog and everyone points to the short bully. And sh!t yeach i try to educate every single "homeboy" i can over here. Why? Are they suppose to beat your ass for telling them its ghetto to use "pit" as a label for the APBT? Worse they gonna do is bust out their 100lb "pit" and challenge you to a fight against your "laughable" 40lb bulldog.

[Attila]

I had my sites in the sig but they are simple and nothing about my dogs but a brief intro and contact information. I don't know if I even have a photo of any dogs at all on it. It makes it simple to update too. Never anything to update. lol

Keep it simple stupid. Just like grandpa always said to keep things. Base your relationships upon friendship. And iffen your going to let a pup go know who that person is and make sure he is a friend. I say he but there are dogwomen as well. I have met a few on this site that know more about this breed and the care of such than most men.

I have often been asked about why I have nothing about breeding or my dogs and such. This thread should make that clear as to why now. Keep what litters you have among friends. To me if and when I breed and let a dog go it is a life long relationship between every one involved to include the dogs.

I don't care for the term pit or pitt. I pisses me the hell off. I know I am talking to an idiot at that point in time. But there is a long list of things that one could point out as flaws among folks and their dogs and ways in life. Breeding strait up currs, mutts, dogs that don't and wont hunt. I don't like it but some how we have to reach them and educate them to do otherwise. However there is a link section of this site that you can enter your site for business matters. There are many that have sites for various supplies and what not. I don't really have a problem with the sites. Some have good sites some don't, some breed currs some don't. some breed show dogs and so forth. I don't ask. I do like looking at other peoples dogs. At one time I had to travel to see someones dogs. I can click on their gallery or link and look at them with out driving across the country. Not that you can tell character from a photo but you can tell if it is a mutt and save a trip.

As far as Ghetto slang and such. I don't really use any, Maybe some hick slang. There are allot of new words I have learned here like bling = shinny shit and grill = metal shit on teeth. I don't reckon I am into either. But to each his or her own on that. I talk and act the same no matter where I go. Even when I do know what a person is trying to say with the bull shit slang I act like I don't.

[NcPrisonGuard]

As far as Ghetto slang and such. I don't really use any, Maybe some hick slang. There are allot of new words I have learned here like bling = shinny shit and grill = metal shit on teeth. I don't reckon I am into either. But to each his or her own on that. I talk and act the same no matter where I go. Even when I do know what a person is trying to say with the bull shit slang I act like I don't.
You and me both brother.. thats my biggest complaint at work trying to translate the ghetto slang into english. I have to transcribe statements for inmates that can't read or write. I can't understand half of wht I write for them.

[Attila]

You and me both brother.. thats my biggest complaint at work trying to translate the ghetto slang into english. I have to transcribe statements for inmates that can't read or write. I can't understand half of wht I write for them.
Try asking them if they want to be represented as such. If you can't understand it the judges and those in charge at the prison likely can't either. I would like to be clear if I was stuck in a cell. But that is me.

[Chopper]

im not sure if ur refering to my topic but i used to term ''pit'' because i was sure it wasent full blooded so i didnt wanna call it a apbt

[Bailey]

How many people here really prove their dogs? We'll never know and how many don't prove their dogs, again we'll never know. Everybody who drops a litter adds to the overpopulation of the breed. How do we know if a dog shouldn't be bred? We don't unless it's according to what you say. IMO, having a kennel with good stock of dogs with good papers doesn't make you a breed advocate or such. You're still a BYB unless you break the law to know you have good stock.

Just my 2cents


I agree with you. Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs. I hate BYB's. The worst part is the people who tell others to get their dogs fixed than you look at their kennel link and they are nothing but a joke. They talk a big game then turn around and breed dogs they shouldn't be bred. You are not the only person that noticed this Scotsman.

[Jake01]

How many people here really prove their dogs? We'll never know and how many don't prove their dogs, again we'll never know. Everybody who drops a litter adds to the overpopulation of the breed. How do we know if a dog shouldn't be bred? We don't unless it's according to what you say. IMO, having a kennel with good stock of dogs with good papers doesn't make you a breed advocate or such. You're still a BYB unless you break the law to know you have good stock.

Just my 2cents
Even if they do prove thier stock I doubt that anyone is that retarded to admit that on a public forum. I know I wouldn't.

[simms]

How many people here really prove their dogs? We'll never know and how many don't prove their dogs, again we'll never know. Everybody who drops a litter adds to the overpopulation of the breed. How do we know if a dog shouldn't be bred? We don't unless it's according to what you say. IMO, having a kennel with good stock of dogs with good papers doesn't make you a breed advocate or such. You're still a BYB unless you break the law to know you have good stock.

Just my 2cents

Refferences.

And one only adds to the over population of shit eaters when they peddle to the public.

[GSDbulldog]

Refferences.

And one only adds to the over population of shit eaters when they peddle to the public.You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to simms again.

[Scotsman]

Like I said before a website in the signature is cool show off what ya got is you want. But just looking at some of these websites with people breeding CKC registered dogs and people advertising their Bluffs as having dogs like Snooty, Ironhead, Bullyson, Zebo, Chinaman and other great dogs in their peds is wrong.
If your dog got its Ace or Judges Choice, cool show it off, but listing breedings and stuff I think kinda goes against the rules.

[14rock]

We cannot spend our limited time chasing peoples webpages down, and seeing what they are really into. We must go by what people do on this website, and thats about all we can do. If soemone is peddling mutts on here, it's gone, and they are trashed. For us to check every members homepage on a daily basis to make sure there are no litters/pups/dogs for sale is not feasible. Keep the shit on your own yard(site), and out of ours (so to speak).

[Phebes]

How many people here really prove their dogs? We'll never know and how many don't prove their dogs, again we'll never know. Everybody who drops a litter adds to the overpopulation of the breed. How do we know if a dog shouldn't be bred? We don't unless it's according to what you say. IMO, having a kennel with good stock of dogs with good papers doesn't make you a breed advocate or such. You're still a BYB unless you break the law to know you have good stock.

Just my 2cents

I find it upsetting that so many people on this site are having puppies. And they are all so proud of the new litter.......People they are not just killing badly bred APBTs at the shelters but well bred dogs also. Everyone can say as often as they like that they make sure their pups are going to a good home but there is no way to guarantee that. So a % of the pups you produce are going to end up in a bad situation.
I am not even going to get into natural disasters, as happened to the dogs in New Orleans. My husband and I can crate, load up every animal we own and get out of Dodge if needed. What do you do if you have 12 animals tethered in the yard and no means to move them to safety?? What if those 12 dogs where the result of a one or few breedings and you kept the pups?
Until the " pit bull" population in this country is once again manageable IMHO no one should be breeding them.

[simms]

I find it upsetting that so many people on this site are having puppies. And they are all so proud of the new litter.......People they are not just killing badly bred APBTs at the shelters but well bred dogs also. Everyone can say as often as they like that they make sure their pups are going to a good home but there is no way to guarantee that. So a % of the pups you produce are going to end up in a bad situation.
I am not even going to get into natural disasters, as happened to the dogs in New Orleans. My husband and I can crate, load up every animal we own and get out of Dodge if needed. What do you do if you have 12 animals tethered in the yard and no means to move them to safety?? What if those 12 dogs where the result of a one or few breedings and you kept the pups?
Until the " pit bull" population in this country is once again manageable IMHO no one should be breeding them.

I wouldnt go that far.....

However I do beleive that one should use what they breed. If one is breeding more than they can use....well might be that thier culling system and breeding program should be evaluated. Simple concept

[Ms. Anthrope]

DAAAAMN!! Who let all the *idiots* in here?!! Were debating over weather its a pit, pitt, or pit bull?? If you breed pit bulls, your a puppy peddler?? I dont breed (I dont have anything worth breeding) but in my opinion, I think you should hafta pass a test to own a pit bull... Its a wonderfull breed, but they arent labs. peaple breeding for color/size and shit piss me off.... dont you think we have ENOUGH "big blue pit bulls" running around? and as far as the ghetto fabs go, they are RUINING the breed... fighting their dogs, and throwing them in the dumpster, etc. (Thats one of the main reason they want to ban them, pass BSLs, etc.) DOG FIGHTING WAS A GENTLEMANS SPORT!! Not a stupid street rat ghetto fab *edited* sport..... Jeeeeez Louise!!

**Derogatory names that you have included in your post are NOT allowed on this site!**

[Ms. Anthrope]

I find it upsetting that so many people on this site are having puppies. And they are all so proud of the new litter.......People they are not just killing badly bred APBTs at the shelters but well bred dogs also. Everyone can say as often as they like that they make sure their pups are going to a good home but there is no way to guarantee that. So a % of the pups you produce are going to end up in a bad situation.
I am not even going to get into natural disasters, as happened to the dogs in New Orleans. My husband and I can crate, load up every animal we own and get out of Dodge if needed. What do you do if you have 12 animals tethered in the yard and no means to move them to safety?? What if those 12 dogs where the result of a one or few breedings and you kept the pups?
Until the " pit bull" population in this country is once again manageable IMHO no one should be breeding them.

And that exactly what all the people are thinking when they are passing laws about banning pit bulls. Its not the breeds fault. peaple are just stupid. dont breed what you cant feed, or give to someone you know/trust.... If they are not worth feeding, dont keep them. cull hard. lots of gangstas helped "over populate" this breed. Its not the real dog men/women.

o ya, and just how many animals do you own?? as far as crating them up and "getting out of dodge goes." I have 4 dogs, 3 cats.... not alot of animals... but what bout these peaple with 20 dogs on thir yard?? All Im sayin, is dont open your mouth till youve walked in their shoes. Its harder than you think sweet cheeks..... I had 13 dogs on the yard at one time.... the yard flooded... I had 13 fckin dogs in my basement.... pandamonium....


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[Lethalpits]

Hmm. I don't know. I don't agree with everyone to just up and stop breeding. If the serious, respectable breeders stop breeding then the real APBT breed will die out, and the next generation of APBT will be nothing but BYB dogs by people who refuse to stop breeding. It's like a see-saw. If Tom Garner stops creating dogs because he feels the APBT is over populated, it will only influence SoandSo kennels to breed more unworthy, unproven dogs. Of course I too now think that if you are breeding a pair of worthy dogs, then you are responsible for the litter and keeping them or having a respectable home for them. Breeding unworthy dogs is just like breeding anything else that's unworthy... goes for people, too lol.

But yea I don't agree with the whole cut out all breeding. I mean, nature has it's own culling process anyway. Dogs die, get run over, euthed, human culled, etc. Gives room for the worthy litter upcoming off of Ch. soandso ROM.


As far as puppy peddling on the site that's def. not cool. Usually if you have something worth breeding you shouldn't even have to advertise.

[Ms. Anthrope]

[QUOTE=Breeding unworthy dogs is just like breeding anything else that's unworthy... goes for people, too lol. [/QUOTE] LOL If anything, human beings are being over bred...... lots of STUPID human beings...... IMO, the gene pool needs a little bleach... and pronto!!

[short1]

[QUOTE=Breeding unworthy dogs is just like breeding anything else that's unworthy... goes for people, too lol.
. LOL If anything, human beings are being over bred...... lots of STUPID human beings...... IMO, the gene pool needs a little bleach... and pronto!![/QUOTE] first I to can not stand some one asking me if thats a pitt it just makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up I usually say bull dog or apbt and as far as breeding goes I usually keep almost all pups. maybe selling one and giving 1 to a trusted friend so I can watch the pups grow and see how they turn out

[Attila]

I think many should not breed dogs. Many need to learn why to breed and why not to.

And I agree, I wish people used the same standards to breed as some good dogmen. That would answer so many problems. Like welfare and the over abundnance of stupid people who burden the tax system. Also unemployment and the taxation that humans put on the resources of the earth. Time to do some culling. Another part of responsible breeding is culling the bad ones. People used to do it but now they have group homes and big institutions to further burdin tax payers.

[Bailey]

In my previous post I wasn't stating that no-one should be breeding due to overpopulation although many need to take that into consideration. What I was merely trying to get across is that anyone can say that their dogs are worth breeding and we may never know the truth. As far as the overdone bullys go, I just consider them another breed even though the media may not, so that's what I'm here for. To be apart of a online community that knows the difference in hopes we can all come together. Surely many of us know what an APBT is but how far do we go to educate others without being smart asses and telling people they gotta have tough skin?

[Phebes]

And that exactly what all the people are thinking when they are passing laws about banning pit bulls. Its not the breeds fault. peaple are just stupid. dont breed what you cant feed, or give to someone you know/trust.... If they are not worth feeding, dont keep them. cull hard. lots of gangstas helped "over populate" this breed. Its not the real dog men/women.

o ya, and just how many animals do you own?? as far as crating them up and "getting out of dodge goes." I have 4 dogs, 3 cats.... not alot of animals... but what bout these peaple with 20 dogs on thir yard?? All Im sayin, is dont open your mouth till youve walked in their shoes. Its harder than you think sweet cheeks..... I had 13 dogs on the yard at one time.... the yard flooded... I had 13 fckin dogs in my basement.... pandamonium....that was my point Baby Cakes......don't own more animals then you can care for in an emergency

[Attila]

that was my point Baby Cakes......don't own more animals then you can care for in an emergency
In some emergencies one is too many. Tornadoe's, hurricans, flash floods, death to you or a loved one, you can't control nature. You try to be as prepaired as givingly possible. In some cases a person can't take care of them self. Doesn't mean they are at fault. No one is prepaired for a disaster. Otherwise it wouldn't be one. It doesn't matter if you have no pets or a hundred if your house burns down or a tornado wipes you all off the map. No matter what your screwed.

[miakoda]

alot of people just say pit or pit bull because it is shorter to type, But we all know what they are talking about so why question it. We all know it is the american pit bull terrier but everytime we want to say that we just dont type it all just put pit or pit bull.
They don't use the term "pit" because it's just an abreviation, they use the term because it sounds "cool".

And no I woulnd't know what they are talking about. If someone starts talking "pits" to me, I would automatically assume they are talking about some holes in the ground......not a dog.

And "pit" or "pit bull" do NOT imply "American Pit Bull Terrier". Both are extremely general terms that refer to the APBT, AST, SBT, BT, often the AB, any mix of these, & any generic dogs that portrays similar physical characteristics. If someone tellse me they have a "pit" or "pit bull" I immediately think that they don't have a freaking clue as to what kind of dog they really own.

[Michele]

In some emergencies one is too many. Tornadoe's, hurricans, flash floods, death to you or a loved one, you can't control nature. You try to be as prepaired as givingly possible. In some cases a person can't take care of them self. Doesn't mean they are at fault. No one is prepaired for a disaster. Otherwise it wouldn't be one. It doesn't matter if you have no pets or a hundred if your house burns down or a tornado wipes you all off the map. No matter what your screwed.
good post.....

[CrazyK9]

As far as puppy peddling on the site that's def. not cool. Usually if you have something worth breeding you shouldn't even have to advertise.Wow, what a hypocrite. :rolleyes: So do you admit you have nothing worth breeding but still do it anyway?


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[440rider]

Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs.
first i want to ask what ya'll consider a puppy peddler..... someone who breeds for $? Someone that advertises (even on their own site)? Someone who sells to the public? Someone with a litter out of unproven dogs?
With proven dogs stated ...... is it really wise to list, announce, type in acronyms, symbols[], and jargon that is very easily encrypted by those looking to exterminate these animals. What is the point to list your kennels acheivements on the WWW for all to see and why is it of anyones business to what their achievement are in order to breed their dogs. Those want to be left alone and very private but yet air out all their activities. Not too smart!

[miakoda]

CrazyK9, you beat me to it. ;)

[Big Rod]

Man you ladies are vicious, callin him out just like that huh?

[Lethalpits]

Wow, what a hypocrite. :rolleyes: So do you admit you have nothing worth breeding but still do it anyway?
Yea, I made a mistake of advertising a litter. I was asked to so I said I'd help.
At the time I did think the parents of these dogs were the best around, with the mother being an obedience trained dog and plus I use to own an older female sibling to these. I do regret making a flyer and advertising dogs. But at least we know where the owners are and can still see these dogs.
But don't jump to conclusions I didn't create these pups. I helped find advertise them which is about as wrong, though.

edit: But did you really just dig through my photobucket to find a flyer I made for someone??

[MAXIM]

I just say pit bull, dunno if thats bad, but i never really thought about it..However i do know what you mean about saying "pit", it does sound a little ghetto!

[Lethalpits]

By the way, since we are debating on the word 'pit', do you all disagree with usernames with the word 'pit' in it?

[Michele]

By the way, since we are debating on the word 'pit', do you all disagree with usernames with the word 'pit' in it?
that's a good question....

[Attila]

Do folks mind that some of us call them Bull Dogs?

[CrazyK9]

Yeah, Lethalpits, I did ...and I also dug through your myspace sites and found that you plan to stud out Max and that you are selling and have sold dogs. What has Max done to be worthy of breeding and just how soon do you plan to start studding him out? Hes still a puppy. Who are you selling dogs to and do you even keep track of them once they leave? Are they being bred too?

I don't understand why people who are into American Bullies and show "pit bulls", and not gamebred APBTs, are even on this site. If they are learning, great, but to not show any change after being here for a long time... ? I just don't get it. :confused:

Pit is a dirty word in my book. I'll call a 90lb dog a pit or pit bull. I call real APBTs bulldogs, gamedogs, or by their full name.

[bahamutt99]

I haven't read all the replies yet. (Still on page 1.) But I can tell you that the issue with litter advertisements is something we've struggled with on another forum I mod. Its all well and good to say "don't sell puppies here," but when people are permitted to show off their new litters that aren't already spoken for, what stops somebody from PMing them about it? Then it gets into the issue of "Well, is it okay to show individual puppies, but not the whole litter?" or "If somebody posts pics of a friend's puppies, are they violating the rules?" I try not to work myself up about it anymore, because there are always going to be loopholes and ways around it.

[Lethalpits]

Yeah, Lethalpits, I did ...and I also dug through your myspace sites and found that you plan to stud out Max and that you are selling and have sold dogs. What has Max done to be worthy of breeding and just how soon do you plan to start studding him out? Hes still a puppy. Who are you selling dogs to and do you even keep track of them once they leave? Are they being bred too?

I don't understand why people who are into American Bullies and show "pit bulls", and not gamebred APBTs, are even on this site. If they are learning, great, but to not show any change after being here for a long time... ? I just don't get it. :confused:

Pit is a dirty word in my book. I'll call a 90lb dog a pit or pit bull. I call real APBTs bulldogs, gamedogs, or by their full name.I'm glad your working your hardest to pin something on me Crazy. Especially digging through my non updated myspaces and my photobucket. First,I would probably stud Max out in the *future* (your right, he is a pup, he's only 7 mnths.), but only to other show quality females that I see fit and have matching lines. It's not like I would have him open to anyone. I think game breeding and show dog breeding are two different angles(game qualities vs. confirmation qualities). And yes I have sold a dog. An elder sibling of those in the flyer. I don't think she will be bred because they don't own a male. And yes I do know where she is and see her from time to time. I also have one of my current females for sale because of various reasons. I haven't sold her yet because I haven't found someone I approve of, even though I've been called numerous times. It's hard to part with your dogs. I've only sold 1 dog in my time. I don't buy and sell dogs, or whatever your trying to pin on me.


As to your remark 'I don't see why people who are into American Bullies and show 'pitbulls' are even on this site..' Even though I have been pretty much turned away from bullies, I'm very much so still into show APBTs. I am also interested in game line APBTs, thats mainly why I'm still in this forum. One of my females is off Gr. Ch Buck bred dogs bred to Frisco/OFRN dogs.
Max himself is a Destiny Pits/Colby's (Fiarris) sire to a Clemmons/Petersons/Holbeche's dam. I'm in the process of owning my first real game bred top and bottom male. Anyway I like seeing more people who are into the dogs you mentioned here because it shows they are interested in the real APBT.

Like I said, I'm glad you took the time to disect my life with pitbulls since I've joined the internet. I've sold 1 dog pitbull in my day, and have one for sale to an appropriate owner. That doesn't make me some peddler or money hungry owner or whatever your trying to make me out to be.

edit: and I don't want to start arguing again about how good or bad of a dog Max is. In certain people and myself's eyes he may be one of the best bulldogs to hit my yard, to you and others he is nothing more than a blue/seal dog.

[Michele]

I don't understand why people who are into American Bullies and show "pit bulls", and not gamebred APBTs, are even on this site. If they are learning, great, but to not show any change after being here for a long time... ? I just don't get it. :confused:


wow....what about me CC?...i own a chihuahua? Should I be here?

[FearlessKnight]

Yeah, Lethalpits, I did ...and I also dug through your myspace sites and found that you plan to stud out Max and that you are selling and have sold dogs. What has Max done to be worthy of breeding and just how soon do you plan to start studding him out? Hes still a puppy. Who are you selling dogs to and do you even keep track of them once they leave? Are they being bred too?

I don't understand why people who are into American Bullies and show "pit bulls", and not gamebred APBTs, are even on this site. If they are learning, great, but to not show any change after being here for a long time... ? I just don't get it. :confused:

Pit is a dirty word in my book. I'll call a 90lb dog a pit or pit bull. I call real APBTs bulldogs, gamedogs, or by their full name.Well we do not fight our dogs....we show and are planning to do treadmill and weight pull with a couple of them.........
I guess we shouldn't be here either?

[Lethalpits]

and what do you mean by 'why are people who are into this type of and dog that and type are even on this site'???? You said you can understand if they are here to LEARN, but if they haven't 'changed' after a period of time..'

So what?? In order to 'change' do you expect people to get rid of their current dogs and jump into game dogs to be on this board? Since I've learned that bullies are something different and game bred APBTs are something I highly favor now, I should go ahead and cull one of my females that I love who has bully lines in her just because I decided to change my ways?

[miakoda]

EVERYONE who wants to be educated about the true APBT is welcome here. We do not discriminate just because that particular person doesn't own gamebred APBTs or the like. People have to learn somewhere.

What we don't allow is peddling to go on in the forum.

There is a huge difference.

[Riptora]

The term "Pit" might be a pet peeve of yours and others, but I don't see why anyone would waist their energy on something so miniscule... I mean, it's just a nickname, and not meant to be anything offensive. American Pit Bull Terrier is a long name, what's so wrong with shortening it into just Pit Bull or Pit? It's just like Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier being referred to as a Wheaton because someone just doesn't want to take the extra breath to speak it, or the extra second to type it. Or just Poe, instead of Edgar Allen Poe.

It just seems like a tiny thing to get all stressed out over, but we all have our pet peeves... I guess. I just don't see what's so wrong with shortening the name to speed up conversation... but that's just me.

However, BYB's DO offend me. They are an insult.

[bakerbt]

Yeah, Lethalpits, I did ...and I also dug through your myspace sites and found that you plan to stud out Max and that you are selling and have sold dogs. What has Max done to be worthy of breeding and just how soon do you plan to start studding him out? Hes still a puppy. Who are you selling dogs to and do you even keep track of them once they leave? Are they being bred too?

I don't understand why people who are into American Bullies and show "pit bulls", and not gamebred APBTs, are even on this site. If they are learning, great, but to not show any change after being here for a long time... ? I just don't get it. :confused:

Pit is a dirty word in my book. I'll call a 90lb dog a pit or pit bull. I call real APBTs bulldogs, gamedogs, or by their full name.Some people are going to peddle pups regardless of what they learn or say. To even think about using a pup as a stud does not make any sense to me. It is destroying the breed, but some people do not realize the harm they are doing, or just do not care. Crazy just stay true to the breed and they will return the favor oneday.

[diva]

I don't understand why people who are into American Bullies and show "pit bulls", and not gamebred APBTs, are even on this site.

Just curious.....How many APBTs do you own?

To me, the words pit or pit bull doesn't mean a person doesn't know what they feed. To me it's just short for American Pit Bull Terrier. Just like some people say they have bulldogs, it doesn't mean the dogs are not APBTs.

[Lethalpits]

Some people are going to peddle pups regardless of what they learn or say. To even think about using a pup as a stud does not make any sense to me. It is destroying the breed, but some people do not realize the harm they are doing, or just do not care. Crazy just stay true to the breed and they will return the favor oneday.
Seems you missed the 'plan to' part. I wouldn't stud a pup.

[bakerbt]

Seems you missed the 'plan to' part. I wouldn't stud a pup.To even plan to use a pup as a stud still does not make any sense. Do what you do man.

[diva]

I love this forum. But, I think people in glasses houses should not throw stones. some people are so quick to jump down a person's throat when they aint livin' "right" themself. What ever happened to live and let live? LOL

[Lethalpits]

To even plan to use a pup as a stud still does not make any sense. Do what you do man.
I agree with Diva. Then why would a breeder even go to purchase a new prospect, if in his eyes he hopes and looks forward to that prospect becoming his stud of the year? Assuming that the dog shows every quality that he is looking for.

[bakerbt]

So, you've never considered what you MIGHT breed a new dog or pup to if it proved "worthy", or if it turned out how you'd like for it to?


I love this forum. But, I think people in glasses houses should not throw stones. Not saying you bakerbt........just saying some people are so quick to jump down a person's throat when they aint livin' "right" themself. What ever happened to live and let live? LOLI have never even considered breeding a dog. Their are to many great breeders with exceptional animals for me to be breeding. And no I don't consider breeding a new pup when I get it. It would be years before I would know, so I would wait until that time came. To put that much faith in a pup is ridiculous. Their are to many high caliber studs for me to be considering breeding a pup "if" he turned out.

[Lethalpits]

I have never even considered breeding a dog. Their are to many great breeders with exceptional animals for me to be breeding. And no I don't consider breeding a new pup when I get it. It would be years before I would know, so I would wait until that time came. To put that much faith in a pup is ridiculous. Their are to many high caliber studs for me to be considering breeding a pup "if" he turned out.

And so you think these 'great' breeders just bought pups with no plans for them? Breeders don't randomly pick dogs. Breeders pick dogs with intentions (aka 'plans') of it becoming a part of their breeding program, after it has shown it meets the standards of their program. You do put faith in a pup, if it doesn't make it, cull from the program.

[cheekymunkee]

wow....what about me CC?...i own a chihuahua? Should I be here?Last I knew Crazy didn't even OWN any APBT's. Gamebred or other wise. :confused:

[Lethalpits]

That is also like saying a working kennel doesn't buy pups assuming the pup will become a great prospect for the box. Working kennels don't buy random pups or young dogs, they would get one having faith in that dog that it becomes a great box dog.

[bakerbt]

And so you think these 'great' breeders just bought pups with no plans for them? Breeders don't randomly pick dogs. Breeders pick dogs with intentions (aka 'plans') of it becoming a part of their breeding program, after it has shown it meets the standards of their program. You do put faith in a pup, if it doesn't make it, cull from the program.So you are "planning" to stud your seven month old dog? If it does not turn out you are going to cull it? This is were the cycle begins. People putting so much faith in a pup and having intentions (aka 'plans') to breed it. When the times comes they have been planning so long to breed the dog they go ahead and bred it even if the animal is subpar. A dog will let you know if he needs to be bred you do not have to make "plans" for a pup before he is even old enough to be bred.

[Lethalpits]

So you are "planning" to stud your seven month old dog? If it does not turn out you are going to cull it? This is were the cycle begins. People putting so much faith in a pup and having intentions (aka 'plans') to breed it. When the times comes they have been planning so long to breed the dog they go ahead and bred it even if the animal is subpar. A dog will let you know if he needs to be bred you do not have to make "plans" for a pup before he is even old enough to be bred.
A good breeder would not 'go ahead and breed' a subpar animal. a BYB would.
I have hopes and plans to turn Max into a stud, through show confirmation, but if he can't even get a 3rd place ribbon then no, he doesn't deserve to throw offspring. I really don't even consider myself a breeder as I've never bred dogs yet, but I in the years ahead I hope to have animals worthy of it. So I myself did not pick my dog with intentions of breeding him, but as he grew I started hoping he would become a stud as I think he will be good in the ring.
But even though you say that most people will not cull a dog when it doesn't meet standards, you agree that respectable breeders acquire pups in hopes that it becomes a part of their breeding program.

[cheekymunkee]

Just because you have a pretty dog with papers does NOT mean it needs to be bred. Winning a beauty contest does NOT mean the dog needs to be bred.

[Scotsman]

I love this forum. But, I think people in glasses houses should not throw stones. some people are so quick to jump down a person's throat when they aint livin' "right" themself. What ever happened to live and let live? LOLYou are one of that last people that should be saying anything with your CKC pups. You do live in a glass house so watch out. Better people than you have been banned from this site, I personally think you should be.
http://www.freewebs.com/loveabullkennels/puppies.htm

[pennsooner]

IMO, people should have VERY high standards to breed a dog. And most of us (and I include myself in this number) should leave it to those who know how. Too many dogs and too many substandard dogs running around and rotting in shelters to be offhandedly bringing more into the world. And I've never bred a dog, or even BOUGHT a dog.


And unless I find myself with some very precise reason to breed, I never will. And the show ring isn't one of them. I do plan to buy a pup to show, but even making champion (show) isn't a reason to breed a dog, IMO. To be breeding quality the dog should show outstanding working/sport ability.

[Attila]

The term "Pit" might be a pet peeve of yours and others, but I don't see why anyone would waist their energy on something so miniscule... I mean, it's just a nickname, and not meant to be anything offensive. American Pit Bull Terrier is a long name, what's so wrong with shortening it into just Pit Bull or Pit? It's just like Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier being referred to as a Wheaton because someone just doesn't want to take the extra breath to speak it, or the extra second to type it. Or just Poe, instead of Edgar Allen Poe.

It just seems like a tiny thing to get all stressed out over, but we all have our pet peeves... I guess. I just don't see what's so wrong with shortening the name to speed up conversation... but that's just me.

However, BYB's DO offend me. They are an insult.
Well when people do that sort of stuff like calling the Wheaton Terrier soft or rough coated a Wheatie it annoys the shit out of me. They can't expect another person that doesn't know a damn thing about the dog to know what you are talking about when you say that. I only know because last week I got into that one with some woman at the feed store. I just asked her what the hell kind of animal she was talking about. Because to me Wheaties is a cereal not a dog. Pit is a hole. Allot of old timers call our dog plan ole bull dog. My grandparents did. I tend to call them American Pit Bull Terriers. Some times Bull dog and if I am in a good mood I will respond to some one saying pit bull. Otherwise I ignore them and act like I don't understand them. Stupid people offend me. The peddlers and byb's do fit into that catagory as well as dog beaters, yellers, padlock wearing idiots and so on. but the deal is communication with those that use slang. One can't expect every one to understand your slang or another persons slang. If I am talking to some one that don't know shit about the breed I am going to call it by its full name. And most people don't know shit. They should be breeding themselves not alone breeding dogs. There needs to be a culling program implemented for humans. I would start with the BSL passing folks and work my way down the stupid list.

[simms]

I'm glad your working your hardest to pin something on me Crazy. Especially digging through my non updated myspaces and my photobucket. First,I would probably stud Max out in the *future* (your right, he is a pup, he's only 7 mnths.), but only to other show quality females that I see fit and have matching lines. It's not like I would have him open to anyone. I think game breeding and show dog breeding are two different angles(game qualities vs. confirmation qualities). And yes I have sold a dog. An elder sibling of those in the flyer. I don't think she will be bred because they don't own a male. And yes I do know where she is and see her from time to time. I also have one of my current females for sale because of various reasons. I haven't sold her yet because I haven't found someone I approve of, even though I've been called numerous times. It's hard to part with your dogs. I've only sold 1 dog in my time. I don't buy and sell dogs, or whatever your trying to pin on me.


As to your remark 'I don't see why people who are into American Bullies and show 'pitbulls' are even on this site..' Even though I have been pretty much turned away from bullies, I'm very much so still into show APBTs. I am also interested in game line APBTs, thats mainly why I'm still in this forum. One of my females is off Gr. Ch Buck bred dogs bred to Frisco/OFRN dogs.
Max himself is a Destiny Pits/Colby's (Fiarris) sire to a Clemmons/Petersons/Holbeche's dam. I'm in the process of owning my first real game bred top and bottom male. Anyway I like seeing more people who are into the dogs you mentioned here because it shows they are interested in the real APBT.

Like I said, I'm glad you took the time to disect my life with pitbulls since I've joined the internet. I've sold 1 dog pitbull in my day, and have one for sale to an appropriate owner. That doesn't make me some peddler or money hungry owner or whatever your trying to make me out to be.

edit: and I don't want to start arguing again about how good or bad of a dog Max is. In certain people and myself's eyes he may be one of the best bulldogs to hit my yard, to you and others he is nothing more than a blue/seal dog.
Geeze Whom ever is selling/placing a gamebred dog with you, needs to check them themselves!

This poster does not have the right refferences to get a dog from me!

[simms]

That is also like saying a working kennel doesn't buy pups assuming the pup will become a great prospect for the box. Working kennels don't buy random pups or young dogs, they would get one having faith in that dog that it becomes a great box dog.

Shut it! You dont know what your talking about!

[Lethalpits]

Geeze Whom ever is selling/placing a gamebred dog with you, needs to check them themselves!

This poster does not have the right refferences to get a dog from me!
What exactly makes me incapable of caring for and owning a game line APBT?

[BoogiemanBlood]

IMO, people should have VERY high standards to breed a dog. And most of us (and I include myself in this number) should leave it to those who know how. Too many dogs and too many substandard dogs running around and rotting in shelters to be offhandedly bringing more into the world. And I've never bred a dog, or even BOUGHT a dog.


And unless I find myself with some very precise reason to breed, I never will. And the show ring isn't one of them. I do plan to buy a pup to show, but even making champion (show) isn't a reason to breed a dog, IMO. To be breeding quality the dog should show outstanding working/sport ability.this kind of argument takes the cake. people who don't breed telling how to breed....people who don't even own a bulldog telling how to breed......people who have no idea what breeding is planning to breed.........and nobody listening. if you listen to the logic of some then nobody in the usa could possibly be breeding bulldogs legally. i remember just the other day when it was said that what happens in someone elses yard is THEIR business. does that apply here too? i'm not defending lethal but he didn't peddle pups on this site. that crap was dug up on another site. so whoever wants to bash him should go to that site and do it unless he did something to deserve it here. maybe the sites where the stuff was found really is old and not updated. ever think of that??? when he FIRST joined here he told of his "PLANS" and got a pretty good lashing for it. since he has admitted his blindness and pretty much been in line with the good peoples thinking of the board.

[simms]

A good breeder would not 'go ahead and breed' a subpar animal. a BYB would.
I have hopes and plans to turn Max into a stud, through show confirmation, but if he can't even get a 3rd place ribbon then no, he doesn't deserve to throw offspring. I really don't even consider myself a breeder as I've never bred dogs yet, but I in the years ahead I hope to have animals worthy of it. So I myself did not pick my dog with intentions of breeding him, but as he grew I started hoping he would become a stud as I think he will be good in the ring.
But even though you say that most people will not cull a dog when it doesn't meet standards, you agree that respectable breeders acquire pups in hopes that it becomes a part of their breeding program.


You have No clue what it is to be a good breeder. Let alone what to look for in a dog!

[Lethalpits]

IMO, people should have VERY high standards to breed a dog. And most of us (and I include myself in this number) should leave it to those who know how. Too many dogs and too many substandard dogs running around and rotting in shelters to be offhandedly bringing more into the world. And I've never bred a dog, or even BOUGHT a dog.


And unless I find myself with some very precise reason to breed, I never will. And the show ring isn't one of them. I do plan to buy a pup to show, but even making champion (show) isn't a reason to breed a dog, IMO. To be breeding quality the dog should show outstanding working/sport ability.

If you buy a show dog, from a show breeder, that is meant for the show, then what other angles are you planning on making that dog worthy of other than that? Conformation and weight pulling. You don't buy game dogs and turn that bloodline into show dogs. You don't take show dogs and turn that bloodline and turn it into fighting dogs.

So if you buy show dogs and they excel at what they were bred to do and what they are suppose to then they can continue the line of showdogs IMO.

[Lethalpits]

Anyway, I'm done digging holes. Crazy threw out a flyer of CKC pups that I made for SOMEONE ELSE and threw it in my face. I apologized for my mistakes from last year, because advertising pups someone else's pups is just as bad. Then went on to say I have hopes and plans that my male will become a good stud. Big deal. I sold a female dog to someone I know. Big deal. I have a female for sale to an appropriate owner. Big deal. I've never bred dogs, but I aim to have a show stock and a game stock in the years ahead of me, but learning more in the process. Hate me if you wish. EDIT: And breeding doesn't mean your selling dogs.

The whole breeder argument is a dead end road. Game breeders for game dogs.
Show breeders for show dogs. Either or the dogs need to be exceptional in either category to be worthy of throwing offspring. That's my opinion. They don't have to be exceptional in both.

[BoogiemanBlood]

this kind of argument takes the cake. people who don't breed telling how to breed....people who don't even own a bulldog telling how to breed......people who have no idea what breeding is planning to breed.........and nobody listening. if you listen to the logic of some then nobody in the usa could possibly be breeding bulldogs legally. i remember just the other day when it was said that what happens in someone elses yard is THEIR business. does that apply here too? i'm not defending lethal but he didn't peddle pups on this site. that crap was dug up on another site. so whoever wants to bash him should go to that site and do it unless he did something to deserve it here. maybe the sites where the stuff was found really is old and not updated. ever think of that??? when he FIRST joined here he told of his "PLANS" and got a pretty good lashing for it. since he has admitted his blindness and pretty much been in line with the good peoples thinking of the board.one more thing, and i can't believe i'm saying this.....LOL

some of the regs on this board should stand up for this guy a little and put a stop to this bashing for no reason. anybody that has been around here knows his story and he doesn't deserve the thrashing he's getting now. now had he not admitted he was wrong in the beginning i'd say he deserves whatever but that is not the case. sometimes i think it's all a little too political here and if you're not in the "click" then you are screwed. how bout it???? damnit i'm not tryin to start trouble either just right a wrong.

[Lethalpits]

I think half of the thread needs to be deleted. Not to mention my friend's phone number and my email are all over this thread.

[FearlessKnight]

Thank you for that!

Edited:
no posting of public E-mail info

[Lethalpits]

Just because you have a pretty dog with papers does NOT mean it needs to be bred. Winning a beauty contest does NOT mean the dog needs to be bred.
This ain't meant towards you Boogie..

but WTH do you think Gr. Ch. Boogieman did? He's also producing more show winning champions.

Reason I said show breeders for show dogs. Game breeders for game dogs.

[bahamutt99]

The whole breeder argument is a dead end road. Game breeders for game dogs. Show breeders for show dogs. Either or the dogs need to be exceptional in either category to be worthy of throwing offspring. That's my opinion. They don't have to be exceptional in both.
Everybody has their own idea of what makes an exceptional dog or an exceptional breeding. I look for dogs who are accomplished in different areas, not just one. That's part of why we're never going to reach 100% agreement when it comes to any kind of breeding discussions. No two people are going to have the same idea of what constitutes excellence.

[simms]

If you buy a show dog, from a show breeder, that is meant for the show, then what other angles are you planning on making that dog worthy of other than that? Conformation and weight pulling. You don't buy game dogs and turn that bloodline into show dogs. You don't take show dogs and turn that bloodline and turn it into fighting dogs.

So if you buy show dogs and they excel at what they were bred to do and what they are suppose to then they can continue the line of showdogs IMO.

This is the very type of thinking that has created and become an acceptable practice of breeding type dogs!

[Lethalpits]

Everybody has their own idea of what makes an exceptional dog or an exceptional breeding. I look for dogs who are accomplished in different areas, not just one. That's part of why we're never going to reach 100% agreement when it comes to any kind of breeding discussions. No two people are going to have the same idea of what constitutes excellence.
Good point Bahamut.

and Boogie and Southeasternpits, I'm waiting for some of this thread to be deleted. That flyer I made for a friend of mine has his contact information and my email and internet contacts.

[BoogiemanBlood]

This ain't meant towards you Boogie..

but WTH do you think Gr. Ch. Boogieman did? He's also producing more show winning champions.

Reason I said show breeders for show dogs. Game breeders for game dogs.he's done enuf to make my dogs worth me feeding and in the end that's all that should matter. what YOU are feeding. cold steel pits has a saying and a few more people should live by. "DON'T START NOTHIN AND THERE WON'T BE NOTHIN" they are honest hard working people who have dedicated much of their lives to the APBT. anybody that doesn't respect them will never have my respect. don't think for one minute that boogieman dogs "are just for show" either." these dogs are full of fire. ;)

they are as fine as bulldogs get.

oh and lethal i got your point i know he's known for his gr ch show title.

[Attila]

IMO, people should have VERY high standards to breed a dog. And most of us (and I include myself in this number) should leave it to those who know how. Too many dogs and too many substandard dogs running around and rotting in shelters to be offhandedly bringing more into the world. And I've never bred a dog, or even BOUGHT a dog.


And unless I find myself with some very precise reason to breed, I never will. And the show ring isn't one of them. I do plan to buy a pup to show, but even making champion (show) isn't a reason to breed a dog, IMO. To be breeding quality the dog should show outstanding working/sport ability.
Also they should know how to use a pistol and cull. That is a big problem I see is the lack of culling. I think we should end the business of shelters. You got a stray running around keep it or kill it. That is the bottom line. If your dog enters my yard and you don't have it on a leash in your hand it is a stray. That is all there is to it. Want to solve this shelter business mess then cull and cull hard. I can think of many other things to waste tax money on. I shouldn't have to pay for someone elses shit or mistakes. The hell with them either charge them or kill the damn animals and make soap. If it is a case like them taking some ones dogs either leave them on the yard or impound them on a police kennel till they either find the person innocent or guilty. If he is guilty make him pay if he isn't then the public owes them. That is right we pay the cops to do a job. They are working for us as public servants. They need to remember that and so do we. They mess up it cost us. Make sure you vote good sherriffs and police chiefs in. If they can't do their job then have their asses removed and put some one better in. Get involved. Learn what the hell is going on.

I believe if a person is going to run a rescue it should either come out of their own pocket or donations from those that support that stuff. I feel it is a nice thing to do. However I don't want to pay for it. I don't like paying for many things. Assistance is the biggest one that pisses me off. If I am going to give to the poor and I do I should be able to select who gets it, what and how they get it. I believe that shelters, group homes, welfare and so forth are a families problems not mine. If my dad gets ill it is my responsibilty to tend to him here. If my dog is needing a new home or culled that is my resposibility, If I were to have a child and that child was handicapped or what ever it is my responsibility to tend to that childs needs, And not a damn soul elses responsibility to do so. I can end this nations debts that I know. There would be allot of made sumbitches that would be pissed because I believe that every man should take care of his own shit. No excuses and no help form me. Only help form me I will give is 300 grains of lead from my 45/70 govt. Unless I feel exceptionally compassionate at the time. Widows and orphans are my only compassion.

[Lethalpits]

he's done enuf to make my dogs worth me feeding and in the end that's all that should matter. what YOU are feeding. cold steel pits has a saying and a few more people should live by. "DON'T START NOTHIN AND THERE WON'T BE NOTHIN" they are honest hard working people who have dedicated much of their lives to the APBT. anybody that doesn't respect them will never have my respect. don't think for one minute that boogieman dogs "are just for show" either." these dogs are full of fire. ;)

they are as fine as bulldogs get.

oh and lethal i got your point i know he's known for his gr ch show title.
Ya I hear ya I respect Cold Steel and what they do I was just using Boogieman as an example because some were saying the showring doesn't make a dog worthy. And I've heard his line has some fire, too.

[GSDbulldog]

There is one thing I will never understand and it is the seperation between "working" and "show". I like my bulldogs balanced. A well-built, structurally sound dog with the heart and ability to do what it does best. While I do not own papered dogs, I do have the pleasure of cleaning up after BYB's and the like.... In rescue.

Hypocrits are another thing I can't wrap my mind around, and it appears we have quite a few of them. So be it. The mods and admin here do the best they can to prevent trash from being advertised.

[Suki]

Just a friendly reminder here guys, (so I don't have to go thru this thread again, please)


no posting of public info here.
hit a member up with a PM if you want to add the personal stuff, ok?
rules are rules,
Tx!:)

[Attila]

Just a friendly reminder here guys, (so I don't have to go thru this thread again, please)


no posting of public info here.
hit a member up with a PM if you want to add the personal stuff, ok?
rules are rules,
Tx!:)
There is personal stuff up that needs removed.

[Suki]

There is personal stuff up that needs removed.
i know, i'm going thru the posts now :)

[Marty]

There is personal stuff up that needs removed.I don't see any now, and I took the contact info off, it is against the rules to post this info, I can't do anything about the links, and what is said on another site will not be brought up here! it stays on the other site we don't need the BS.

I will be watching this thread.

[simms]

There is one thing I will never understand and it is the seperation between "working" and "show". I like my bulldogs balanced. A well-built, structurally sound dog with the heart and ability to do what it does best. While I do not own papered dogs, I do have the pleasure of cleaning up after BYB's and the like.... In rescue.

Hypocrits are another thing I can't wrap my mind around, and it appears we have quite a few of them. So be it. The mods and admin here do the best they can to prevent trash from being advertised.

I agree there should be no sepparation. I commend you for all your efforts!


I personally have No problem with those that have websites....I like looking just like the next.

[Attila]

I don't see any now, and I took the contact info off, it is against the rules to post this info, I can't do anything about the links, and what is said on another site will not be brought up here! it stays on the other site we don't need the BS.

I will be watching this thread.
Good. I agree what goes on with other sites needs to stay on other sites. Especially them damn gossiping pet sites. Peoples personal business should not be brought up either. Really what goes on with some one's yard isn't anyones business but them. Educate and move along.

I don't often see people trolling or peddling pups or dogs on site. When I was a moderator I removed such when I saw it.

Peoples links in their sig and shit is their business and if you look then look and if you don't like what you see talk to them about it. If you don't like what is on their site then don't look or take it up with them. I would give out my sites but when I did people bitched because I didn't have any pictures of my dogs or anything but a brief intro to me and what I do. Any thing else someone can ask if they want to know or don't. I really don't give a shit. People should breed for the better and if they don't shame on them but if they do great. Unless your setting on someones yard you don't know what they are doing. What people do in PM's is their own personal business too. If some one hits another up for a dog that is their own business not mine. Hell if it is off the site it shouldn't be anyones business period. WTF. If Marty had a dog that I was really interested in you bet your ass I would PM him or call him about it. I would expect the same from some one also. That isn't advertising or peddling. It may be begging but not either of the other two. I don't recall asking any ones peds. I have seen some but I don't solisitate them. Stop digging in peoples personal shit. Assumptions are often wrong. I know that for a fact. Some one assumed something about me once and they were dead wrong. And if I ever find that person out I will hunt them down. That is all there is to that crap. Diva and leathalpits has done nothing to offend me or to me in any way I know of. There personal shit is just that. Digging through peoples past to find dirt is a Liberal Democrat thing. And there is not much more I find more repulsive than a liberal. Always making new laws and screwing the people in the process.

[purplepig]

You are one of that last people that should be saying anything with your CKC pups. You do live in a glass house so watch out. Better people than you have been banned from this site, I personally think you should be.
http://www.freewebs.com/loveabullkennels/puppies.htm
Scotsman, Thnx for posting this thread, very entertaining. I also wonder about the "talk" and the "walk". Personally, I find it funny to see what people post when they first come here, and then how they speak now.

Baker, You go boy!! And just so all of you would know, Baker is not like some who are running a breeding mill and talking different here. He has a mutt, and nothing else. He just simply loves these bulldogs, plain and simple. I vouch for him. He is a stand up guy.

[Riptora]

Well when people do that sort of stuff like calling the Wheaton Terrier soft or rough coated a Wheatie it annoys the shit out of me. They can't expect another person that doesn't know a damn thing about the dog to know what you are talking about when you say that. I only know because last week I got into that one with some woman at the feed store. I just asked her what the hell kind of animal she was talking about. Because to me Wheaties is a cereal not a dog. Pit is a hole. Allot of old timers call our dog plan ole bull dog. My grandparents did. I tend to call them American Pit Bull Terriers. Some times Bull dog and if I am in a good mood I will respond to some one saying pit bull. Otherwise I ignore them and act like I don't understand them. Stupid people offend me. The peddlers and byb's do fit into that catagory as well as dog beaters, yellers, padlock wearing idiots and so on. but the deal is communication with those that use slang. One can't expect every one to understand your slang or another persons slang. If I am talking to some one that don't know shit about the breed I am going to call it by its full name. And most people don't know shit. They should be breeding themselves not alone breeding dogs. There needs to be a culling program implemented for humans. I would start with the BSL passing folks and work my way down the stupid list.Well, that's no suprise... you get worked-up over every little thing http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif lol

Your list of pet peeves is one thousand miles long.

[Attila]

Well, that's no suprise... you get worked-up over every little thing http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif lol

Your list of pet peeves is one thousand miles long.Yah I know. But the things I love list is long too. I just don't deviate much from them. I am stubborn like that. lol

[Riptora]

Yah I know. But the things I love list is long too. I just don't deviate much from them. I am stubborn like that. lolAwww, you're so sappy now! How about for every negative/kill/destroy comment you make, we get two happy/lovie-dovie comments? Wouldn't that be great?

[Lethalpits]

I agree on the issue that if something is on someone's site that you don't agree with, take it up with them. As long as it's not on this board or brought up on this board, it has no affect. Posting pictures of a newly dropped litter is no different than posting pictures of a new dog. As long as there's no price tag and contact, it's not being 'peddled'. If someone has litters and whatnot for sale on their website, that's their yard and their business. Harass them all you want via PM.

As far as digging through someone's crap, that's much like rat, but like I said I apologize for making a puppy flyer for a friend. In a way, I'm glad you decided to bring that to the light.

For the breeding issue, it's a see-saw. You might not think soandso's dogs are up to par, but I might. Back and forth. I don't like to judge people and their yard because I can't tell much from a internet website. If you are just outright selling retarded, deformities, cur dogs to the public for money, then ya that's one thing. Other than that, let people do what they do, this board is for information and communication. Not bashing people's yards.

On the issue of people coming here and speaking a different way later, it's good in a way. I don't think it's funny; I like to see people coming here talking this and that when they get here, but after a while they have a different attitude and speak in a more knowledgeable and educated form of the breed. It shows they LEARNED something here. Hypocritical or not of their past; they learned something here.

[Attila]

Awww, you're so sappy now! How about for every negative/kill/destroy comment you make, we get two happy/lovie-dovie comments? Wouldn't that be great?
Oh don't get gross on me. Yuk. Happy happy joy joy peace love and all that hippie do rah. :p

[Attila]

I agree on the issue that if something is on someone's site that you don't agree with, take it up with them. As long as it's not on this board or brought up on this board, it has no affect. Posting pictures of a newly dropped litter is no different than posting pictures of a new dog. As long as there's no price tag and contact, it's not being 'peddled'. If someone has litters and whatnot for sale on their website, that's their yard and their business. Harass them all you want via PM.

As far as digging through someone's crap, that's much like rat, but like I said I apologize for making a puppy flyer for a friend. In a way, I'm glad you decided to bring that to the light.

For the breeding issue, it's a see-saw. You might not think soandso's dogs are up to par, but I might. Back and forth. I don't like to judge people and their yard because I can't tell much from a internet website. If you are just outright selling retarded, deformities, cur dogs to the public for money, then ya that's one thing. Other than that, let people do what they do, this board is for information and communication. Not bashing people's yards.

On the issue of people coming here and speaking a different way later, it's good in a way. I don't think it's funny; I like to see people coming here talking this and that when they get here, but after a while they have a different attitude and speak in a more knowledgeable and educated form of the breed. It shows they LEARNED something here. Hypocritical or not of their past; they learned something here.
No kidding. I for one am glad when someone learns and moves on to another level. Wouldn't it suck if everyone just stayed at one level and never learned a dag gum thing. Like a retarded monkey. or a lizard.

[Pitbull219]

Like a retarded monkey. or a lizard.hey now, what you got against lizards?? Lizards rock!! lol

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/7/8/2/smile.jpg

[GSDbulldog]

Definately!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/nekid_nazi/DSCF1799.jpg

[Lethalpits]

GSD that lizard is trippy cool looking.

[Attila]

I don't have anything against lizards but they are not the most intelligent of creatures. They do tast good though with beans and rice on a tortilla shell. Ya'll keep them things in your house? You ever have any extra send them my way. Frozen will be fine. Just clean them out first. lol

[14rock]

You don't buy game dogs and turn that bloodline into show dogs.
Amen, whats so hard to understand? APBT'S ARE NOT SHOW DOGS. They were ruined by people breeding for show, and sacraficing true breeding quality on 7 month old pups careers!

Shows are fantastic, dogs who can become dual- champions get all the respect in the world from me. BUT, a show title doesn't mean shit in this breed by itself!

[GSDbulldog]

I don't have anything against lizards but they are not the most intelligent of creatures. They do tast good though with beans and rice on a tortilla shell. Ya'll keep them things in your house? You ever have any extra send them my way. Frozen will be fine. Just clean them out first. lolLOL Our herps are here to stay. I do got an excess number of anoles though, like hundreds of 'em. They aren't pets but they're nesting in my bathroom.

Beans & rice ya say? Hmm...

[Attila]

LOL Our herps are here to stay. I do got an excess number of anoles though, like hundreds of 'em. They aren't pets but they're nesting in my bathroom.

Beans & rice ya say? Hmm...
It will take hundreds of those to make a meal. lol

[bakerbt]

Amen, whats so hard to understand? APBT'S ARE NOT SHOW DOGS. They were ruined by people breeding for show, and sacraficing true breeding quality on 7 month old pups careers!

Shows are fantastic, dogs who can become dual- champions get all the respect in the world from me. BUT, a show title doesn't mean shit in this breed by itself! I could not agree more.

[catcher T]

one more thing, and i can't believe i'm saying this.....LOL

some of the regs on this board should stand up for this guy a little and put a stop to this bashing for no reason. anybody that has been around here knows his story and he doesn't deserve the thrashing he's getting now. now had he not admitted he was wrong in the beginning i'd say he deserves whatever but that is not the case. sometimes i think it's all a little too political here and if you're not in the "click" then you are screwed. how bout it???? damnit i'm not tryin to start trouble either just right a wrong.
Some people learn and some people don't,,not toward anyone in paticular,,,I think this thread has been awesome with the info. breeding is a emotional subject,,I have issues with just about every dog that I know has been bred,,,nothing is ever good enough,,,I would say the majority of breeders really have nothing worthy,,, but then,where else would dogs come from,,,it will be a debate forever,,,and what click? I want to be in a click,,,am I in the click? or is this just like the crap I put up with in high school when people pretended to be my friend.

[purplepig]

On the issue of people coming here and speaking a different way later, it's good in a way. I don't think it's funny; I like to see people coming here talking this and that when they get here, but after a while they have a different attitude and speak in a more knowledgeable and educated form of the breed. It shows they LEARNED something here. Hypocritical or not of their past; they learned something here.
What I was speaking of is this:

" Hey I'm new here, wanted to post a picture of my cool pit! He's 7 months old, and very game, I cant wait to breed him, what blood would you suggest me breed to?"
and then a few months later:

"Man, I never said I wanted to breed!! I never said my dog was game, I dont even think I am ready to breed."

All the while, this person visits other boards talking about upcoming litters, creates a web site calling themselves a 'kennel'. That is what I believe is very lame. Heck, Jesus didnt like hypocrites either. BTW, a hypocrite is a "actor". Someone who presents themselves one way, but in reality is another.

I have no problem, and better still aplaud, those who truely educate themselves to a higher level. That is wonderful, and I am not speaking of those. I am speaking of the other bunch, who act like they learn, but in reality.. oh well, if you cant hear, you cant hear!!LOL

BTW, if a person wanted to make money breeding an animal, go and breed boa's. they drop bunches of babies at one breeding, and you can make some Jack off them! It would be hard to down breed them too.

[Attila]

Some people learn and some people don't,,not toward anyone in paticular,,,I think this thread has been awesome with the info. breeding is a emotional subject,,I have issues with just about every dog that I know has been bred,,,nothing is ever good enough,,,I would say the majority of breeders really have nothing worthy,,, but then,where else would dogs come from,,,it will be a debate forever,,,and what click? I want to be in a click,,,am I in the click? or is this just like the crap I put up with in high school when people pretended to be my friend.
I know the feeling of thinking I have a friend only to find out I didn't and they acting like a friend but all the time gaffing me in the back and smiling in my face as I bleed to death wondering what happened and who did it all the time still thinking I have a friend. Two faced back stabbers. No one likes a back stabber that is a fact.

[Lethalpits]

What I was speaking of is this:

" Hey I'm new here, wanted to post a picture of my cool pit! He's 7 months old, and very game, I cant wait to breed him, what blood would you suggest me breed to?"
and then a few months later:

"Man, I never said I wanted to breed!! I never said my dog was game, I dont even think I am ready to breed."

All the while, this person visits other boards talking about upcoming litters, creates a web site calling themselves a 'kennel'. That is what I believe is very lame. Heck, Jesus didnt like hypocrites either. BTW, a hypocrite is a "actor". Someone who presents themselves one way, but in reality is another.

I have no problem, and better still aplaud, those who truely educate themselves to a higher level. That is wonderful, and I am not speaking of those. I am speaking of the other bunch, who act like they learn, but in reality.. oh well, if you cant hear, you cant hear!!LOL

BTW, if a person wanted to make money breeding an animal, go and breed boa's. they drop bunches of babies at one breeding, and you can make some Jack off them! It would be hard to down breed them too.
Well, if they did say that at first, and then retracted their statements, maybe it's a good thing (as long as they stick to their retraction now). But as far as having a diff. personality on another board and having a kennel and litters that's different.

But like myself I came on here talking about my dogs and an idea of how I'd like to pair my male to one of my females one day which I got attacked for. After researching for myself I realized that this was not a great idea and have steered against it. I also argued my dog was game, which after learning, I realize is not. I also thought I was the bloodline king, which I was not lol.

I've seen a few people like myself come here and then gain knowledge and change their ideals. If they are looked at as hypocrites then so be it, but don't judge them. Jesus may not have not liked them, but he didn't judge them, merely pointed out their actions.

[purplepig]

I commend anyone who learns, and makes adjustments. That is progress, at any level. As to the Jesus not judging, feel free to pm me, and I will shed light on this for you.

[Attila]

I commend anyone who learns, and makes adjustments. That is progress, at any level. As to the Jesus not judging, feel free to pm me, and I will shed light on this for you.
Ah but Father holds the big gavel.

[purplepig]

Ah but Father holds the big gavel.
Two statements, "I did not come into this world to save it, but to condemn it", and , "I did not come into this world to condemn it, but save it", Seems that He will be doing alittle of both!!LOL then when the whole "hypocrites, your twice the son of the devil" thing, thats pretty tough!!LOL

[Lethalpits]

Ah but Father holds the big gavel.
That is true. People tried to judge the prostitute by stoning her, Jesus pointed out the mistake in this. Big Papa slams the gavel on both parties.

[purplepig]

That is true. People tried to judge the prostitute by stoning her, Jesus pointed out the mistake in this. Big Papa slams the gavel on both parties.
That's right, two different verdicts:
1. Forgiven, go and dont do it again,
2. Burn baby burn!

[Attila]

That's right, two different verdicts:
1. Forgiven, go and dont do it again,
2. Burn baby burn!
You reckon there will be a big weenie roast? lol Marshmellows any one? Just remember take no joy in it or you may be next. I am going to hang out by the fishing holes and the dogs so I am not tempted to enjoy any thing I should not.

[14rock]

Keep this on-track, or it will be closed. Also, religious debates need to be kept in pm's.

[Michele]

I don't have anything against lizards but they are not the most intelligent of creatures. They do tast good though with beans and rice on a tortilla shell. Ya'll keep them things in your house? You ever have any extra send them my way. Frozen will be fine. Just clean them out first. lol
ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Ms. Anthrope]

Just because you have a pretty dog with papers does NOT mean it needs to be bred. Winning a beauty contest does NOT mean the dog needs to be bred.

I agree 100%... I have a pretty dog with papers... should I breed her to the first pretty dog with papers I come across?? She is 3 years old, and never been bred. If I ever get the chance to take her out and get her titled in weight pull or confirmation, I might think about it. But that opens a whole other can of worms. Puppys are hard work, and they are expensive. You dont make any money... unless you are selling blues... for some reason they always seem to go for a couple grand... which I dont understand... I wouldnt pay a cent for a pretty blue coat....

[purplepig]

Keep this on-track, or it will be closed. Also, religious debates need to be kept in pm's.
Yea Lethal, You always bringing up religion and stuff!! Keep on thread!

[14rock]

Yea Lethal, You always bringing up religion and stuff!! Keep on thread!LOL Thats right, thanks for keepin' the trouble makers in check purplepig, Lethal was exactly the folks I was talkin to! LOL

[Attila]

Yea Lethal, You always bringing up religion and stuff!! Keep on thread!
I am not sure here but I think I just tore a lung. lol Yea what he said. lol

[CrazyK9]

I hate to keep this thread going but I haven't had the chance to repply since I'm busy with my foster dog.... when I said "into" that doesn't mean "own" ...I meant "interested in" ...As in, if you're not interested in gamebred APBTs, why are you here? (Thats just a rhitorical (sp?) question, by the way.)

I don't own any gamebred APBTs, no. I don't breed, no. But that doesn't make me a hypocrite. I explained above what I meant so hopefully that clears up the confusion. Anyone here who is willing to learn, and change their ignorant/stupid ways if need be, is welcome here to me.... be it someone who owns APBTs, American Bullies, pet bulls, a different type of dog entirely, or no dog at all.

Lethal you can call me a rat and explain all you want but I still stick by what I said. I do apologize to the mods though for causing difficulties and the need to edit my post or any posts in reply to my accusations.

[Lethalpits]

I hate to keep this thread going but I haven't had the chance to repply since I'm busy with my foster dog.... when I said "into" that doesn't mean "own" ...I meant "interested in" ...As in, if you're not interested in gamebred APBTs, why are you here? (Thats just a rhitorical (sp?) question, by the way.)

I don't own any gamebred APBTs, no. I don't breed, no. But that doesn't make me a hypocrite. I explained above what I meant so hopefully that clears up the confusion. Anyone here who is willing to learn, and change their ignorant/stupid ways if need be, is welcome here to me.... be it someone who owns APBTs, American Bullies, pet bulls, a different type of dog entirely, or no dog at all.

Lethal you can call me a rat and explain all you want but I still stick by what I said. I do apologize to the mods though for causing difficulties and the need to edit my post or any posts in reply to my accusations.
It's all good. In your eyes I'm some unworthy bulldog owner who's sold a dog and is interested in breeding one day, which will destroy us all. In my eyes you are a judgemental character that dwells in other people's affairs because they speak or say thing differently that get under your skin. So now that we know eachother ;P..

Anyway, I'm gonna leave this thread alone before I say something religious!

[brolick]

They don't use the term "pit" because it's just an abreviation, they use the term because it sounds "cool".

And no I woulnd't know what they are talking about. If someone starts talking "pits" to me, I would automatically assume they are talking about some holes in the ground......not a dog.

And "pit" or "pit bull" do NOT imply "American Pit Bull Terrier". Both are extremely general terms that refer to the APBT, AST, SBT, BT, often the AB, any mix of these, & any generic dogs that portrays similar physical characteristics. If someone tellse me they have a "pit" or "pit bull" I immediately think that they don't have a freaking clue as to what kind of dog they really own.
Iwas tryin not to post on this but if u think the term pit or pit bull is extremely general u have to be willin to educate some people. It doesn't take long, alot of things are abreveated, and some people(including me) call an american pit bull terrier a pit or pitbull. Pit bull is in the name of the dog so i don't see why its a problem. No other dog that looks like a pit bull has pit bull in its name. And if u have something else and someone asks u if u have a pit bull just say u have a staffordshire terrier ot what not. Some people will never know the difference if no one tells them. And the part about the ghetto slang thing, many words are shortened and someone that is from the so called ghetto would take offense to alot of u guys takin down about how we speak

[frenchie1936]

Iwas tryin not to post on this but if u think the term pit or pit bull is extremely general u have to be willin to educate some people. It doesn't take long, alot of things are abreveated, and some people(including me) call an american pit bull terrier a pit or pitbull. Pit bull is in the name of the dog so i don't see why its a problem. No other dog that looks like a pit bull has pit bull in its name. And if u have something else and someone asks u if u have a pit bull just say u have a staffordshire terrier ot what not. Some people will never know the difference if no one tells them. And the part about the ghetto slang thing, many words are shortened and someone that is from the so called ghetto would take offense to alot of u guys takin down about how we speak

i think that if you spent any amount of time on here, you would find most members are willing to educate the uneducated. it only serves us and our dogs to do so. and ghetto slang is exactly that. if you can't speak in a coherent fashion, how do you ever expect to portray this breed in a positive manner? and again, the general public doesn't have a clue about the difference in breeds. so while it is necessary to educate people, it still gets old and annoying at times.

[miakoda]

Iwas tryin not to post on this but if u think the term pit or pit bull is extremely general u have to be willin to educate some people. It doesn't take long, alot of things are abreveated, and some people(including me) call an american pit bull terrier a pit or pitbull. Pit bull is in the name of the dog so i don't see why its a problem. No other dog that looks like a pit bull has pit bull in its name. And if u have something else and someone asks u if u have a pit bull just say u have a staffordshire terrier ot what not. Some people will never know the difference if no one tells them. And the part about the ghetto slang thing, many words are shortened and someone that is from the so called ghetto would take offense to alot of u guys takin down about how we speak
I'm ALWAYS willing to educate anyone who is willing!

As for my not liking the term "pit bull", it at one time did refer to the American Pit Bull Terrier. But in today's day & age, it is a much more general term that refers to the APBT, the American Staffordshire Terrier, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and Bull Terrier. To most, it also refers to the American Bulldog, any mix of these breeds, and any other dog that looks like a "pit bull." Governments that have enacted B.S.L. have created a defnition for a "pit bull" so broad that the Pacific Ocean is a joke compare to it. In most cases, a "pit bull" is all the above mentioned breeds plus any dog with short hair, muscles, and weighing between 30 & 130 lbs. Doesn't really narrow it down much?

As for offending people, I've got friends that grew up in the not-so-nice neighborhoods (aka the ghetto) and all of them speak well. How you speak is not necessarily dictated by where your from......It's a choice you make. However, I was not offending anyone's manner of speaking, but rather voicing my opinion on talking about "Pits" and "Pit Bulls." Like I said, if you start talking to me about "Pits", chances are I'm thinking in my mind "arm pits? Or holes in his backyard?". If you start talking to me about your "pit bulls", I'm going to have to assume you mean your possibly mixed breed mutts until you prove otherwise. Not because I'm being a bitch, but because 20+ breeds of dogs & God knows how many mutts are called "pit bulls" these days.

[brolick]

i here what u guys are sayin and i don't care that much about u callin it ghetto slang, but that was the first name me and other people ever called the breed so thats what we call it. If u had an amstaff and someone said u had a nice staff would u think they were talkin about a staff infection when ur walkin ur dog? If i saw someone walkin an apbt i probly would say thats a nice pit, and if they want to try to treat me like i don't knopw what i'm talkin bout i can flip it on them cause i do know a thing or two. All this talk about the proper name and where i live everyone has to register their dog as an amstaff anyways

[yellaman420]

I agree with you. Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs. The worst part is the people who tell others to get their dogs fixed than you look at their kennel link and they are nothing but a joke. They talk a big game then turn around and breed dogs they shouldn't be bred. You are not the only person that noticed this Scotsman.
Truer words have never been spoken. People need to get off their butts and get out there with them dogs. Compete in something at some level, but compete none the less. This always has been a workin breed. I saw a pic up today from approx 1730. Two dogs, a man and a dead bear. I dont know about you, but thats what Im talkin about.

[miakoda]

If u had an amstaff and someone said u had a nice staff

Honestly, no. If I wasn't thinking of some inanimate object, I would wonder if they mean "Nice American Staffordshire Terrier" or "Nice Staffordshire Bull Terrier."

The truth is that we live in a day and age when it is important to let our dogs be known for what they are. My dogs are NOT the 90 lb "pit bulls" that I saw on our local news a few nights ago for biting someone. So to call my dogs that is an insult in my opinion.