Calling all Kennels! Let's understand your rights IF you get raided by them Mo Fos!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I am so tired of hearing one kennel after another being violated by these MO FO organizations seeking to eliminate our true breed from existence. I will start by stating not being part of a kennel/team. All words are of my own making and sentiment. Now, let us get to the point of this thread.

I get pissed when reading about another yard destroyed. So, here is this thread. What is the purpose of it? To bring as many minds (thoughts) together to make their MO Fo efforts as difficult as possible. I will use Socrates' method to hopefully come to the answers we MUST all learn to combat the abuse that is "Humane" organizations, which aim is to euthanize our breed off existence.

I ask those that know:

What is required by law, from these organizations to come into YOUR property, look around, assess your dogs at will, and make a removal determination?

In order of phases, what are the measures one may take to prevent any and/or all of the above?

What can you do to diminish (reduce) personal liability (out of pocket expense) directly and indirectly related to a "second party" determination to possess your assets/property (dogs)?

What are intelligent evidences to take to a court of law to improve/win your case? What are the least intelligent?..lol

Is negative court ruling an "end it" all?

Is appealing a worthless effort?

I do not expect one person to answer all questions. I wish we can start gathering intelligence of our own against the monster-destroyer of the true American Pit Bull Terrier, one question at a time.

Yours In Script,


Rocky H.
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[Attila]

I suppose posting your land and knowing your rights. You can back law officials off your land if you know the laws pertaining to what they are trying to do. That is to snoop into your privacy. If they want to visit me they can call, I have the number posted on the sign. If I say no they have to obtain a search warrant. Once they do and find nothing record it. Here they will find nothing. Record every thing. If they persist it is harassment. I don't have any such problems. I had one officer make a bad move here and it got her suspended from her job for three days with out pay. I try to be nice, but once they show their ass I show mine. I make sure to call first the Chief of police then the mayor then the local senator for our district all on speed dial. The deal is to make more trouble for them than it is worth to bother you again ever. Once they know you are not messing around when it comes to them they will find easier targets to mess with. I have friends that work the force and I have those I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. Best thing is to treat them with respect till they prove they don't deserve it. Then make every call and push it to the limit you can possibly afford legally to make their lives a living hell. Fight fire with fire. Spread sugar where you can. and other wise keep your kennel upright and clean.

[ghost 1]

i had to threaten to sue them for harassment,,, they cost me a fortune before i got them to leave me alone,,,since i threatened them they stopped,, one time alone cost me over a 1000 dollars and the last time i got a 180 ticket and tore it up in they're face and threatened to sue they're @ss and haven't heard from them since,,,,,,they was just finding a way to tax me ,,,,nothing they had ever stuck but it was a costly pain in the @ss,,,but they never got not one dog

[TripleJ]

Bro once they come in it is to late most of the time the sneeks wait till you are not home. They waited till a bill passed that made it unlawfull to have a rooster with a comb cut in Fl then the basterds waited untill my partner went to work. Then the FUN FOR THEM begain they came in and stomped biddies killed over 50,000$ worth of some of the Finest birds we have ever raised. And they trashed our shop and sheds looking for more stuff. We have been to court and not a damn thing will be done. I took 2 life times to get the birds we had and it took them about 45 min to make them a memorey. Thank god they do not know where we have our dog yard. If they come thare it will be on the news I will not let them do that to my familey of dogs. YIS J

[LadyRampage]

Like said above.. its already too late if they show up. Once they do its a battle that you will be lucky to win and even if you do its going to take alot of money and more than likely (depending on where you live) your dogs will be gone. In some states once the dogs are taken, they are considered "fighting dogs" (even without a conviction), they can legally be destroyed. Kind of puts a spin on Innocent until proven guilt..:rolleyes:

But before all that happens take steps to make sure they don't have any cause. Every dog with a shelter, clean water, food in a dish, and looking healthy. Alot of times a yard is raided because of a complaint of dogs not being treated right, or a neighbor hears dogs barking all the time. Keep your dogs healthy, and any sick dogs in the house in a clean envirnoment.


DON'T DO/SELL/HAVE DRUGS at your house. How many times do we hear of a dog "bust" and there are some kind of drugs involved? Its very rare that drugs are NOT involved... hmmmm..

Be a responsible owner. Check your yard equipment to make sure you don't have one get loose and cause trouble. Don't let them roam around looking for trouble. Don't take them to the dog park for a play date where something could happen to make you and your dog look bad. Don't talk about how "tough" your dog is, or about what they can "do".

Educate people about the breed and what they are all about. Explain the difference between animal and people aggression.
Get involved in a LEGAL activity with your dogs. If you don't do anything legal and you own all those dogs, and that treadmill what exactly are you doing with them? In other words don't make them wonder or guess.

I know some people are going to say... I follow all that and STILL we get harassed.. I understand that. I have to defend my ownership of these dogs to own family for YEARS and they haven't even seen one of my dogs let alone spent any time at my house..lol Its going to happen...someone who just HATES our dogs, gets you in their sites, and gives you hell. You have to keep doing right by the dogs, keep doing right by yourself, and keep proving that your dogs DO have a right to live.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Bro once they come in it is to late most of the time the sneeks wait till you are not home. They waited till a bill passed that made it unlawfull to have a rooster with a comb cut in Fl then the basterds waited untill my partner went to work. Then the FUN FOR THEM begain they came in and stomped biddies killed over 50,000$ worth of some of the Finest birds we have ever raised. And they trashed our shop and sheds looking for more stuff. We have been to court and not a damn thing will be done. I took 2 life times to get the birds we had and it took them about 45 min to make them a memorey. Thank god they do not know where we have our dog yard. If they come thare it will be on the news I will not let them do that to my familey of dogs. YIS J
Man, that is what I am talking about!!!! I hate how we are being abused by these peoples and their almighty "morals". It certainly feels like an inquisition.....they are going to tie us to a rock, throw the rock in deep water, and if we float, we are innocent....

I cannot just believe "sh!t is what it is". Just reading about all the different ways "Humane" societies have opted to screw our breed, their breeders, and fanciers of this wonderful breed. We must unite our efforts to reverse the irreversible harm "they" intent on committing on to us.

Here is an example of what I am trying to do with this thread. Under normal circumstances, NO ONE is permitted to go into your home (house, apartment, shack, etc). This includes the land (home) owner if you rent. This also includes police. Yet, if the door is open, they are allowed (due to not forcing entry) to go in. Key is to keep your property LOCKED and away from curious eyes!!!! A Texan buddy of mine informed me of something unheard of in NY; You Southerners do not lock your doors!!! Seriously, it was a shocker for me too. He continued by stating that some even leave the keys in the ignition...lmao Anyway, lock gates and doors people and THEY will not be able to force their way into your property.

In addition, like Attila stated, their constant pestering and obvious history of singling out kennels who breed APBT, may win YOU a harassment case against them.

Please do not hesitate to think out loud. Also, those that like to find and paste links, do so for this purpose.

Regards,


Rocky H.

[diva]

You are right. Some here in the south do not lock their doors. My old room mate would leave and not lock my door. It drove me nuts. Thankfully, I live alone now and I always make sure my house and fence is secure.

[Nc_pitz]

I pray that once i decide to start up alittle kennel or what ever that they dont try to bother me because i dont wanna give us pitbull owners a bad name cause u can damn sure bet that u will hear about some maniac going crazy and beating human society workers to death over them trying to take dogs(sorry if this really makes me sound like a maniac but there gonna have to put me ''to sleep'' before they take my dogs). If they dont show me a warrent i might not even let em in the yard. But i would try my best to let them see wat they want and explain everything there before i go haywire on em. An yes they do have a tendancy to goto your yard when your not there. I have heard from a few people about them taking there dogs etc when they were not there and then they put to sleep right away because its the pound/agency's way to work. An yes it would suck for them to goto your yard when ur not there..

To the person who said they lost birds how could u not sue them or anything like that for the damage they caused?(i have no clue about sueing just saying)

[TripleJ]

They will just cut the damn lock and say it was off. They do not care at all! I have been threw this they are the biggest gang with the most guns and people and that is just the way it is. They do what ever and get away with it and it will keep going like that. Its been that way in the south for ever and it aint going to change.Now all the people moving down are richer and dont understand that Running Hounds, Hunting , Bulldoging and Roosters are a way of life for a lot of us that are FROM the south. They dont like it so they have the most money so who do you think the biggest gang will listen to? It gets my goat every time I look at my old hunting club and see a F*%#*& golf and country club. Thats what is most problem to many people thinking they are helping when they are hurting. J

[TripleJ]

I pray that once i decide to start up alittle kennel or what ever that they dont try to bother me because i dont wanna give us pitbull owners a bad name cause u can damn sure bet that u will hear about some maniac going crazy and beating human society workers to death over them trying to take dogs(sorry if this really makes me sound like a maniac but there gonna have to put me ''to sleep'' before they take my dogs). If they dont show me a warrent i might not even let em in the yard. But i would try my best to let them see wat they want and explain everything there before i go haywire on em. An yes they do have a tendancy to goto your yard when your not there. I have heard from a few people about them taking there dogs etc when they were not there and then they put to sleep right away because its the pound/agency's way to work. An yes it would suck for them to goto your yard when ur not there..

To the person who said they lost birds how could u not sue them or anything like that for the damage they caused?(i have no clue about sueing just saying)We Dont have the funds to keep fighting with them.. WE WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THEM THE STOMP like they did our biddies. J

[CrazyK9]

I can't even say how important it is to keep your dogs out of sight! "What a person knowingly exposes to the public is not subject to Fourth Amendment protection."
They can seize the animals without a warrant and I will bet any amount of money that if they see multiple pit bulls on chains, they will, even if there is no evidence of cruelty. Once they get your dogs, they'll probably try to get a warrant to search the rest of your property, if they didn't already when they took the dogs, and thats when you get problems... if you have any gamedog magazines, mills, breaking sticks, trophies for "Best in Show" or "Gamest in Show", or even pedigrees, it will be nearly impossible to get your dogs back alive with all that "evidence" of dog fighting. :rolleyes:
Another part of the "open fields doctrine," at least here in Texas, is that they don't need a warrant to seize animals that aren't on your property. A lot of people who live in rural areas might move dogs off their land and into woods so they are out of sight... but if anyone finds out they're there, bye bye dogs. If your dog gets loose or is with someone other than the dog's owner, again, they don't need a warrant.

I don't know anyone in Texas who doesn't lock their doors, but I'm not really out in the country so that probably makes a big difference. Its the Canadians who don't lock their doors, lol.
I will always lock mine. You're crazy not to! ...no matter where you live.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Like said above.. its already too late if they show up.
Sorry to sound like a simpleton but....why is it too late if they show up? Do they not need to hold a warrant before entering private property without consent? Do "they" not need to show strong proof of illegal activity before receiving a "search warrant"? Does the mere fact of breeding APBT constitute enough "evidence" of illegal activity?

Once they do its a battle that you will be lucky to win and even if you do its going to take alot of money and more than likely (depending on where you live) your dogs will be gone.
Yes, things are not stacked in our favor. That is why I strongly believe this type of thread can potentially become beneficial to ALL. If we become educated, we can save allot of money on lawyer fees.

In some states once the dogs are taken, they are considered "fighting dogs" (even without a conviction), they can legally be destroyed. Kind of puts a spin on Innocent until proven guilt..:rolleyes:
You obviously see how flawed is the system. They are guilty by birth. This sort of law has to be repealed but it will not if we cross our arms and watch them stick it to us.

But before all that happens take steps to make sure they don't have any cause. Every dog with a shelter, clean water, food in a dish, and looking healthy.
Yup, just like Floyd had them well fed, good shelters, looking very strong, AND without scars. How much better can anyone expect us to treat them? Another example of how "taking the proper steps" is useless in dealing with these "humane" societies is the Tom's yard (WestPenn). If memory serves right, he had around 300 dogs. Off those 300+ only around 5 were deemed ill with a skin infection. That means that his yard was 98% under the law. Was removal of his dogs an appropriate measure for less than 2% of issues? HECK NO! I am sure most shelters cannot not come close to how well Tom treated his dogs.....May he rest in peace and may his killers die slow deaths.

Alot of times a yard is raided because of a complaint of dogs not being treated right, or a neighbor hears dogs barking all the time. Keep your dogs healthy, and any sick dogs in the house in a clean envirnoment.
I wish it was that easy. My eyes have seen otherwise. I am sure many more have seen allot more.

DON'T DO/SELL/HAVE DRUGS at your house. How many times do we hear of a dog "bust" and there are some kind of drugs involved? Its very rare that drugs are NOT involved... hmmmm..
I would not say "it is very rare drugs are not involved" because most of us are NOT into dealing with drugs. It may seem that way to you thanks to the media's method of attracting news.

Be a responsible owner. Check your yard equipment to make sure you don't have one get loose and cause trouble.
Don't you remember? They think chain setups is animal abuse.

Don't let them roam around looking for trouble. Don't take them to the dog park for a play date where something could happen to make you and your dog look bad. Don't talk about how "tough" your dog is, or about what they can "do".
None of that will work. Do you know why? Because as long as your dog and mine are animal aggressive, it will be deemed a fighting dog. All other breeds could have animal aggressiveness except our own. I hate each time "Animal Cop" shows a temperament testing of a "pit bull" who does great with people BUT they add another dog into the equation. Obviously, they will not react the same way (most) to an animal. What is the determination? It is an unpredictable liability to society...sentence? death.


Educate people about the breed and what they are all about. Explain the difference between animal and people aggression.
Get involved in a LEGAL activity with your dogs. If you don't do anything legal and you own all those dogs, and that treadmill what exactly are you doing with them? In other words don't make them wonder or guess.
Good advice. I will add that going and participating in conformation, pull, agility competitions may provide "proof" on your behalf. This is better than your word against theirs.

I know some people are going to say... I follow all that and STILL we get harassed.. I understand that. I have to defend my ownership of these dogs to own family for YEARS and they haven't even seen one of my dogs let alone spent any time at my house..lol Its going to happen...someone who just HATES our dogs, gets you in their sites, and gives you hell. You have to keep doing right by the dogs, keep doing right by yourself, and keep proving that your dogs DO have a right to live.
You are right about that!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I can't even say how important it is to keep your dogs out of sight! "What a person knowingly exposes to the public is not subject to Fourth Amendment protection."
They can seize the animals without a warrant and I will bet any amount of money that if they see multiple pit bulls on chains, they will, even if there is no evidence of cruelty. Once they get your dogs, they'll probably try to get a warrant to search the rest of your property, if they didn't already when they took the dogs, and thats when you get problems... if you have any gamedog magazines, mills, breaking sticks, trophies for "Best in Show" or "Gamest in Show", or even pedigrees, it will be nearly impossible to get your dogs back alive with all that "evidence" of dog fighting. :rolleyes:
Another part of the "open fields doctrine," at least here in Texas, is that they don't need a warrant to seize animals that aren't on your property. A lot of people who live in rural areas might move dogs off their land and into woods so they are out of sight... but if anyone finds out they're there, bye bye dogs. If your dog gets loose or is with someone other than the dog's owner, again, they don't need a warrant.

I don't know anyone in Texas who doesn't lock their doors, but I'm not really out in the country so that probably makes a big difference. Its the Canadians who don't lock their doors, lol.
I will always lock mine. You're crazy not to! ...no matter where you live.
Well, one thing I learned from watching Animal Cops (they give info away for free) is that a dog may be considered a "stray" if on public/abandoned area. Once it is deemed a "stray" it requires officials to take over its charge. If they take it as a "stray", they cannot accuse anyone of any so-called wrong doing.

I bolded some of your information that may be useful to others.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Here is some good news, someone posted this on another forum. I thank "Bulldogluvr" for posting:



REMEMBER -- YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ALLOW ANYONE INTO
YOUR HOUSE WITHOUT A PROPER SEARCH WARRANT!


SUGGESTED STEPS TO BE TAKEN IN THE EVENT OF LOCAL
ANTI-DOG ENFORCEMENT. The following text outlines
methods of inquiry and enforcement which may be
used by local officials in attempts to enforce anti-dog
ordinances in your community and suggested techniques
of response. These techniques are entirely legal
and based upon the rights of citizens as stated
by the U. S. Constitution.


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A: TELEPHONE INQUIRY OR
THREAT: You may receive telephone inquiries concerning
the number of dogs you own and whether any dogs
or puppies are for sale. Other questions may also
be asked.



Your response should be to inquire "Are you interested
in a puppy?" If the answer is "yes", ask that person
for his name, address and phone number. Suggest
that you or a responsible breeder will contact that
person at a more convenient time for you.



If the answer is friendly and genuinely inquisitive,
invite the person to look at your puppies.



If the question is asked "What price is each puppy
being sold for?", simply say that puppies of this
type are being sold for between "X" and "Y" dollars.
Never say that you are selling them.



If the question is asked "Are these your puppies?",
you should ask "Why do you want to know?"



If your conversation indicates that the person is
representing the county clerk's office or allegedly
representing an official body, ask the caller for:


FULL NAME, TITLE, PHONE NUMBER


SUPERVISORS FULL NAME, PHONE NUMBER


AGENCY'S FULL NAME AND FULL ADDRESS


NATURE OF THE INQUIRY (what it is about)


WHY THE INQUIRY IS BEING MADE


HOW YOUR NAME AND PHONE NUMBER WERE OBTAINED


ASK THAT ALL FUTURE QUESTIONS FROM THAT AGENCY BE
SUBMITTED IN WRITING


If you believe that you are being harassed, do not
give your address or your name; it is not your problem
to send the letter. Make a complete record in writing
of the date and time of each phone call and all
the information that was requested by you and the
caller. Keep these records with your dog records
so they may be referred to in the future.



Under no circumstances should you volunteer information
or admit any action which may be in violation of
the ordinances over the telephone. You should not
attempt to mislead or otherwise lie to a caller
nor should you treat such a caller with any more
respect than you would a magazine salesman. You
do not have to incriminate yourself under the Fifth
Amendment of the U. S. Constitution and you should
certainly not make such statements over the telephone.


Do not bother to call back to verify identities
or information simply because you are requested
to (you are under no obligation to spend money to
aid a criminal investigation of yourself).


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B: PERSONAL INVESTIGATION:
If you are confronted with some official demanding
to investigate your property, the following responses
are recommended:



If the person presents a badge, you should ask for:



HIS FULL NAME AND PHONE NUMBER



HIS SUPERVISORS FULL NAME, PHONE NUMBER



THE AGENCY HE REPRESENTS



HIS BADGE NUMBER



WHY HE IS THERE TO SEE YOU



IS THERE ANY COMPLAINT INVOLVED



WHO MADE THESE COMPLAINTS (he probably won't answer)




WHETHER HE HAS A WARRANT FOR A SEARCH



REQUEST A COPY OF THAT WARRANT (probably he won't
have one)



You should answer no questions but ask that he send
or deliver all questions in writing. You should
write down the answers to all of these questions
as the conversation proceeds. A simple notebook
will do the job.



If you feel that a search of your home will lead
to threatened confiscation of a dog or a criminal
complaint you should refuse entry to your home unless
the sheriff or police are present with a search
warrant. If he says that he can get one easily,
then tell him to do so. Remain cool and polite.
Call your attorney as soon as possible



If you are faced with a threatened seizure without
court hearing or court order, call the police immediately.
Also obtain the names of all persons involved, including
police officers. This may prevent seizure. Please
understand that seizure of property, without due
process of law, is unconstitutional, and due process
of law should include a court hearing in every action
relating to such seizure. If the animal control
officials or police seize a dog, they may not destroy
the animal or harm it in any way until a judge has
ruled that you are in violation and this can only
occur after a full hearing.



Call your attorney at the time of threatened seizure
and ask him to help you. Do not answer any questions
from the police without legal advice. Do not offer
any explanations regardless of what they may be
(police and enforcement officials have a bad habit
of misinterpreting such explanations!). Remember,
everything you say can and probably will be used
against you. Do not volunteer any dogs or other
property.



Call other breeders in the area to warn them and
inform them of the occurrence.





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C: COOPERATION: Remember
that cooperation will not usually avoid prosecution.
Also remember that seizure of one of your dogs without
court action, under protest, amounts to prosecution
without trial. We repeat - anything you say or do
in regard to the attempted seizure or inquiries
may be used against you in a criminal or quasi-criminal
action. Everything you say or do will probably be
used against you. Write down everything that is
said or done as it happens. These notes can be valuable
evidence to defend yourself at a later time.



Try to avoid anger and avoid violence at all costs.
Try to obtain as much information as you can; the
informers, enforcing officials, officers, etc. Require
enforcing officials and officers to put everything
into writing. They may not do it but you can ask.
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BUT remember these AR grp's make all kinds of procedural errors if you don't know to STAND UP FOR WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS, again I say DON'T LET THEM BULLY you into believing you have to comply with them coming in unless it's proper procedure. I hope this information helps just 1 person, we need to be informed in this day and age against these FRIEKS!
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[brat pack]

I am getting my dogs into pet therapy. One bitch has gone through and will get certified next week. I also neutered 2 of my 5. Because one has no papers and the other is not ideal far as conformation goes. You should only breed worth animals. I have not bred the others, 2 females and one male, yet. Not sure if I will. I will probably breed once and keep the puppies to train for show.We have a guy in our area who has probably 60 dogs, adults, who breeds all the time and sells the pups to anybody. That is very irresponsible in my opinion. But maybe that is the problem, people with opinions.

[CrazyK9]

If they take it as a "stray", they cannot accuse anyone of any so-called wrong doing.
Oh, but they can. It's very rare and definitely not easy for them, but it can happen, especially if they believe the dog was being fought (and lets face it any pit bull with scars is deemed a "fighter" by those idiots). If they have their suspicions about you, they may ask neighbors if they have seen you with the dog or if the dog was ever on your property. That alone could probably be considered evidence (since these people are so damn determined to crack down on dogmen) and grounds for a warrant. I know that sounds farfetched but we all know these people bend the rules, especially when it comes to catching dog fighters.

[Nc_pitz]

I tell ya what if im home they better come prepared lol, im talkin military force cause there will be a world war going on in my back yard. but anywayz yea i think they have to have a warrent to search and even if they have a warrent i think u can still refuse to allow them on your yard inless they come with the police(which they will most likely call after u dont allow them on your yard).

[440rider]

You Southerners do not lock your doors!!! Seriously, it was a shocker for me too. He continued by stating that some even leave the keys in the ignition...lmao Anyway, lock gates and doors people and THEY will not be able to force their way into your property.

The doors arent locked but the guns are cocked!


We bring our dogs into inside kennels when expecting anyone beyond friends and fam to the property. People just be smart about your animals , live clean and you wont have any problems...bottom line!

[LadyRampage]

Sorry to sound like a simpleton but....why is it too late if they show up? Do they not need to hold a warrant before entering private property without consent? Do "they" not need to show strong proof of illegal activity before receiving a "search warrant"? Does the mere fact of breeding APBT constitute enough "evidence" of illegal activity?

Yup, just like Floyd had them well fed, good shelters, looking very strong, AND without scars. How much better can anyone expect us to treat them? Another example of how "taking the proper steps" is useless in dealing with these "humane" societies is the Tom's yard (WestPenn). If memory serves right, he had around 300 dogs. Off those 300+ only around 5 were deemed ill with a skin infection. That means that his yard was 98% under the law. Was removal of his dogs an appropriate measure for less than 2% of issues? HECK NO! I am sure most shelters cannot not come close to how well Tom treated his dogs.....May he rest in peace and may his killers die slow deaths.


I would not say "it is very rare drugs are not involved" because most of us are NOT into dealing with drugs. It may seem that way to you thanks to the media's method of attracting news.


None of that will work. Do you know why? Because as long as your dog and mine are animal aggressive, it will be deemed a fighting dog. All other breeds could have animal aggressiveness except our own. I hate each time "Animal Cop" shows a temperament testing of a "pit bull" who does great with people BUT they add another dog into the equation. Obviously, they will not react the same way (most) to an animal. What is the determination? It is an unpredictable liability to society...sentence? death.
Why do I say its too late when they come? Because if they come, they already HAVE the warrant, which means they had enough probable cause to get it. Strong proof of an illegal activity could be something as simple as a breakstick, cowhide, or treadmill.. If you read most of the "pitbull" laws all three are listed as dog fighting tools. And yes, in the eyes of alot of these anti-pitbull people just breeding these dogs is a red flag.

Ahh but with Floyd they also had some tricky things involving the government and unreported income from selling the dogs. They can come up with just about whatever they want when they need to. I have no doubt about that. Even if you think all the bases are covered, they can try a different way. The situation with Floyd was horrific and should have made everyone sit up and take notice.

Make no mistake.. The media has NOTHING to do with my take on the drugs/dogs situation..lmao. I've had these dogs for 12 years, relatively new, but in all those years I've met only a few people that don't do any drugs..lol And trust me, My husband and I are some of the few in this area that have nothing to do with drugs..lol I've talked to people all across the state, and the country.. Now don't get me wrong, there are some awesome people that own these dogs and are NOT involved with drugs. Media hype? There was a huge bust here a couple years ago... A man that had dogs for a whole lot long then I've even known these dogs exist.. One of the main things that brought him down? He was supplying drugs, when they followed the drug trails, leading back to him, the dogs were a huge added bonus.. and btw, MOST of us that don't do the drugs are not in the media correct?

Sad to say we agree on the last point. The only thing I mean is don't put your APBT in a situation that can only have a bad outcome if something happens. I don't care if the weenie dog came up and started the fight, the only thing the media/people will remember is the APBT that was involved.

Nice posting Rocky's Human we have alot of the same views, and even those we differ on were handled with style!

[Attila]

Bro once they come in it is to late most of the time the sneeks wait till you are not home. They waited till a bill passed that made it unlawfull to have a rooster with a comb cut in Fl then the basterds waited untill my partner went to work. Then the FUN FOR THEM begain they came in and stomped biddies killed over 50,000$ worth of some of the Finest birds we have ever raised. And they trashed our shop and sheds looking for more stuff. We have been to court and not a damn thing will be done. I took 2 life times to get the birds we had and it took them about 45 min to make them a memorey. Thank god they do not know where we have our dog yard. If they come thare it will be on the news I will not let them do that to my familey of dogs. YIS J
That is one thing I don't have to worry about either If I am not here at least one of my kennel hands are and at least one of my patners are here. All of which are ex Military like me. And if they are not a cop and meening no harm God help them because no man will ever find them.

[Attila]

I tell ya what if im home they better come prepared lol, im talkin military force cause there will be a world war going on in my back yard. but anywayz yea i think they have to have a warrent to search and even if they have a warrent i think u can still refuse to allow them on your yard inless they come with the police(which they will most likely call after u dont allow them on your yard).
Even here if they call the police they still can't come onto our property. They have no legal course and Police can't enter with out a warrant to do so. Best thing is to just run them both off. Well even better is not to do shit that draws that kind of attention. And if you got neighbors that stir up shit tend to them face to face make sure they don't have the desire to stir up shit with or about you ever again. You can persuade people to stay out of your business with the right methods.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Here is something else I found while doing a search or two or three:





<B>GET INFORMED – STAY INFORMED! A. Read books and magazine articles regarding animal welfare and animal rights – understand the difference.

B. Attend seminars and workshops.
C. Tap into local, state and national organizations which are working to uncover the truth – National Pet Alliance, National Animal Interest Alliance, and any state or local alliance or coalition of dog, cat and other animal fanciers. Support these organizations; support with both your membership checks and your time, whether that time is spent helping stuff mailers or attending Council meetings or participating in a telephone tree. Become involved in CFA's Grass Roots Network and be a CFA Legislative Liaison.
D. Attend Animal Rights rallies and pick up free literature in order to learn more about their beliefs.
E. Study the issues and know the facts. Be prepared to provide documentation.
F. Know that YOU are the animal husbandry experts.




GET INVOLVED – STAY INVOLVED! A. Learn who the players are.


Animal Shelters, Humane Societies and Animal Control Agencies.
Legislators
Bureaucrats
Special interest groups
B. The very best method of having your finger on the pulse of ordinance activity in your local area is to volunteer to serve on your city or county's animal control/animal shelter advisory board. Ordinarily these boards meet only a few times a year, and all proposed animal ordinances are reviewed by them prior to being presented at Council.
C. Learn how to lobby utilizing three methods: Letter writing, personal visits, and phone calls or fax.

Be proactive rather than just reactive whenever possible.
Be patient and politely persistent. Know that you will probably have to work through an aide or staff when making initial contacts with legislators.
Look for innovative ways to meet your legislator face to face.
Be brief and to the point.
Offer constructive solutions – it isn't enough to say something is a bad idea. But be careful what you ask for, you may get it!
Focus on humane or municipal fiscal impacts rather than on constitutional rights to counteract the perception that we are a profit motivated special interest group.
D. Help out in the way that suits you best.

Not everyone has to work in the public arena.
There is a great need for behind the scenes support.
E. Study what the opponent's arguments are and learn how to rebut them effectively.
F. Stay in for the long haul. This is only the beginning of what may be a long series of challenges to our right of ownership and humane use of animals.
G. Keep the faith and BELIEVE that ultimately truth and logic will prevail.


I found it sad that none of the "copy and paste"/paste link experts on this forum attempted to try and google or whatever anything about this VERY important topic. I even seen a few members here that have built their "reputation" (points) from copying and pasting or otherwise linking information. Just the same, I do not do it for them. i do it for ALL that are interested in being better prepared to fight for your or someone else's dog/yard.

Please people, try and make an effort to add to this or similar types of threads. They are constantly gathering information and new ways to destroy our breed, what are we doing about it?

I will take this time to give my respect to "Whitemojo" for making an effort in a proactive way. He has posted (in many forums) about new legislation that will surely bring breed destruction closer to our door steps. Funny (not) that his threads get very little participation as well. That just goes to show you why people are online.:( </B>