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kobebean8
12-19-2006, 11:06 PM
Anyone have any good dog contracts or know where i can find one?




dunlap
12-19-2006, 11:34 PM
Check my site. You might like it or you may completely disagree with it.

A link is in my sig.


Anyone have any good dog contracts or know where i can find one?

Attila
12-20-2006, 07:32 AM
Dog contracts? Do you mean purchass agreement type? Puppy contracts between your kennel and a potential buyer?

NCPatchwork
12-20-2006, 08:47 AM
My best friend has a good one on her site...www.magnumkennels.piczo.com

ABK
12-20-2006, 09:43 AM
I don't see that either one of those contracts are that good. Dunlap's has a far better one IMO, but the health guarantees are a slap in the face.

72 hours on one & 12 mos on the other? Neither one will allow for adequate examination of the health of the dog. What if the pup develops an underbite at 12 weeks? The Magnum contract won't cover that b/c all it covers is a measley 3 days.

And what if someone buys a pup from Dunlap? It takes 2 years for a pup to be able to be OFA'd. So if a buyer purchases a Dunlap pup & the pup's hips are OFA'd & found to be bad, there is nothing that can be done b/c the guarantee would have expired a year before that.

No disrespect intended, but the health guarantee on both of these contracts looks like smoke & mirrors to put an uneasy yet uneducated buyer at rest.

What I want to know is whatever happened to a gentleman's contract? Used to, we didn't need all these paper contracts. :(

But if you have to use a contract, here is one I like from Always Faithful kennels:



<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width=528 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center>Puppy may be picked up or shipped at 8 weeks of age. The puppy must be paid for in full before pick up or shipment. The total purchase prices of $________ (including deposit) was received on ___/___/___. Buyer is responsible for all other expenses: including, but not limited to, purchase of crate, shipping, and health certificate fees.

This puppy may be registered with the AKC and UKC only! Our kennel name must come first in the puppy's registered name. If bred, puppy must be at least two years of age and posses a CGC or TT. The mate must also be AKC registered and temperament approved. Registration with the UKC is also preferred, but not mandatory. If puppy is sold as a pet with limited registration, it must be spayed/neutered.




Puppy's vaccinations and wormings will be up to date and must be kept up to date for puppy to be guaranteed. It is also required that the seller receives yearly pictures and proof that all vaccinations are up to date. If puppy (less than 30 months old) is diagnosed, by a licensed veterinarian, with a genetic defect that will shorten or otherwise affect it's normal lifespan, it will be replaced.


Puppy is temperament guaranteed. It is required that the buyer attends a basic obedience class with the puppy in order to promote proper socialization and behavior within 6 months of purchase.

Seller will reimburse purchaser up to $150.00 for professional training after providing proof of obedience class completion (must achieve a passing score).


If puppy is proven to be human aggressive and thataggressiveness is not a reflection of puppy's care and environment, puppy will be replaced.

Puppy is not to be used for any type of bloodsport or illegal activity - specifically dog fighting. If it is found that puppy is being used for illegal purposes, it will be confiscated immediately!

If buyer is no longer able to care for puppy, the seller will have the first option to obtain the puppy at a reduced rate, except in cases where puppy is in a life-threatening situation whereas no compensation will be made to buyer.

In instances of conflict between landlord and tenant, family, or other pets, no money will be refunded but seller will help buyer place puppy.


Buyer's signature:


Seller's signature:


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The guarantee covers the genetic health of the dog for 2.5 years (30 mos).
But what I don't like is that if the buyer can't keep the dog, they have to sell it back to the breeder at a reduced rate. IMO if someone buys a pup for $500 & they for whatever reason two years later can't keep the dog, the purchase price back to the breeder should be $500 since dogs accure value as they get older, providing they don't have any bad habits, were abused, etc.

I think that buying back a puppy one can't keep for less that what it was bought for is just a way for someone to get something fro nothing. So I would X that part from my contract.

But that is JMHO.

Attila
12-20-2006, 09:56 AM
For more than 30 years I have done a verbal. Never had a dead line set. Never have had any problems either though. I have thought about having some one educated in such to make one up for me. But I am not sure it is what is best. I have my rules and I lay them out, and if the person getting a dog has some thing they want we discuss it and come to terms. If need be we write those terms down and that about summed it up. But in todays world I am thinking I need one of them there legal papers to define everything as some people need that in writing and there are those ass enough to give you a hard time. I am not one of them though. I reckon it is time to catch up with the sue happy world.

ABK
12-20-2006, 09:59 AM
I used to do everything w/ a paper contract. I stopped though b/c they are virtually impossible to enforce. Even if you are in the right & re-po the dog or win the suit, often the dog is moved & you never get it, they never show up for court, etc. & all you do is end up spending your time & money on fruitless efforts.

I have found it is far easier to hand pick good owners than it is to use a contract.

Attila
12-20-2006, 10:27 AM
I used to do everything w/ a paper contract. I stopped though b/c they are virtually impossible to enforce. Even if you are in the right & re-po the dog or win the suit, often the dog is moved & you never get it, they never show up for court, etc. & all you do is end up spending your time & money on fruitless efforts.

I have found it is far easier to hand pick good owners than it is to use a contract.
You are probably right as I have never had a problem of a repo. And yes I have done it. One for me and many for others. I use tactical methods.

diva
12-20-2006, 10:28 AM
That is a good contract. But I just don't know about this part....

"Our kennel name must come first in the puppy's registered name."

Why should a person have to put the breeder's name in the pup's registered name? Why can't they put their own kennel name? The buyer is paying for the dog and should be able to name/ register it how ever he/she chooses in my opinion. The way I look at it is this....if I buy a dog, that's my dog, not yours any more. I know contracts are put in to place to try to protect the dog, breeder, and buyer. But, I've seen some contracts that were just ridiculous in my opinion.

NCPatchwork
12-20-2006, 10:34 AM
A lot of kennels do that. I will do that in the future. I just bought a pup and her name will be RUDE DAWG'S SHOW STOPPER...not Bryant's like Phantom. To each their own

diva
12-20-2006, 10:37 AM
Beth I would like you to know that you stole my name. ROFL Just kidding! I had thought about naming one of my pups "Show Stoppin' Sally". A few days later I got online and read about your new pup. LOL That's crazy. Congrats on the new pup by the way, she is a pretty lil thing. :D

Twitty
12-20-2006, 11:14 AM
if you have an ill feling about a potential buyer you should'nt sell the pup to them! secondly a kennel keeping their name is a good way of breeders of keeping track of their dogs, I like it and have started to using it in my program

Verderben
12-20-2006, 08:16 PM
That is a good contract. But I just don't know about this part....

"Our kennel name must come first in the puppy's registered name."

Why should a person have to put the breeder's name in the pup's registered name? Why can't they put their own kennel name? The buyer is paying for the dog and should be able to name/ register it how ever he/she chooses in my opinion. The way I look at it is this....if I buy a dog, that's my dog, not yours any more. I know contracts are put in to place to try to protect the dog, breeder, and buyer. But, I've seen some contracts that were just ridiculous in my opinion.It's a respect issue. Why should you be allowed to put your name on someone elses breeding?

dunlap
12-20-2006, 11:52 PM
I'm pretty easy to work/get along with. I wouldnt screw anyone over but I just like using contracts to cover my ass. If I sold someone a dog and later on down the road "no matter the age" something came up bad in it's health, and it was NOT do to the way it was being cared for, I'd do what I could to make things right. I just like using contracts because there are alot of bull shitters out there and you never know who you can trust. I'm just very...picky, when it come to who gets one of my animals. I like know that I have a foot in the door if anything ever came up. Ya'll all know how I feel about dog fighting (not gonna start again lol) and I have a part about that in my contract as well. There are alot of the backyard fighters around here that dont give two shits about the health of the dog. As long as it will win him/her a little bit of money, thats all that matters to them. Again, I'm not trying to give new life to the other* topic...Also, I require that my name reamin first in all registrations on the dog as a way to keep track of it/easily recognize it. That away no one can say that it was from another breeding, different blood line, ect.

ABK
12-21-2006, 11:29 AM
Good post Dunlap. Plus, keeping your name on a pup not only helps you keep track of the dog, but it can help you re-po a dog if you have to.

diva
12-21-2006, 11:58 AM
It's a respect issue. Why should you be allowed to put your name on someone elses breeding?I guess I never really thought about it as putting your name on someone else's breeding. That is an interesting point of view though. If you were looking at the pedigree on the dog, could you not tell it was a breeding you did without having your kennel name in there?
For example if you know you own "A" dog and "B" dog....and you bred them together to get a "C" litter......could you not look at a pedigree of one of
"C" dogs and tell that is one you produced?

Now maybe I am wrong, wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last....but I always looked at it as putting your name/kennel name would reflect who the dog belongs to not who did the breeding. I thought the pedigree would reflect where the dog came from. *shrugs*

ABK
12-21-2006, 12:13 PM
I guess I never really thought about it as putting your name on someone else's breeding. That is an interesting point of view though. If you were looking at the pedigree on the dog, could you not tell it was a breeding you did without having your kennel name in there?
For example if you know you own "A" dog and "B" dog....and you bred them together to get a "C" litter......could you not look at a pedigree of one of
"C" dogs and tell that is one you produced?

Now maybe I am wrong, wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last....but I always looked at it as putting your name/kennel name would reflect who the dog belongs to not who did the breeding. I thought the pedigree would reflect where the dog came from. *shrugs*Leaving your name on a dog is how one creates a line. For example, look at Mr. Boudreaux for example. If he had let everyone name his dogs, we would not have the "Boudreaux" line of dogs that we have today.

But if purchasers bought dogs from Mr. B & they were all had different prefixes there would be no order or common recognition. Instead we'd have pedigrees that looked like a mish-mash of names & it would be difficult to define a line.

Plus, a lot of breeders do not want their work to go unrecognized. For example, I have a line of dogs that I have worked for almost 10 years. If I sell a dog off that line to you & you CH. or Ace it out & the dog is named Diva's XXX, how is that dog going to known for the rest of it's life? As Diva's XXX & my 10 years of work would go unnoticed.

So by letting a purchaser name an animal the breeder will not get regconized in any way for breeding such a fine animal b/c ppl don't generally look at the pedigree, they look at the dog's name. For example, when printing show & pull results, only the dog's name is printed. No pedigree.

Hope this helped. lol.

diva
12-21-2006, 12:18 PM
Leaving your name on a dog is how one creates a line. For example, look at Mr. Boudreaux for example. If he had let everyone name his dogs, we would not have the "Boudreaux" line of dogs that we have today.

But if purchasers bought dogs from Mr. B & they were all had different prefixes there would be no order or common recognition. Instead we'd have pedigrees that looked like a mish-mash of names & it would be difficult to define a line.

Plus, a lot of breeders do not want their work to go unrecognized. For example, I have a line of dogs that I have worked for almost 10 years. If I sell a dog off that line to you & you CH. or Ace it out & the dog is named Diva's XXX, how is that dog going to known for the rest of it's life? As Diva's XXX & my 10 years of work would go unnoticed.

So by letting a purchaser name an animal the breeder will not get regconized in any way for breeding such a fine animal b/c ppl don't generally look at the pedigree, they look at the dog's name. For example, when printing show & pull results, only the dog's name is printed. No pedigree.

Hope this helped. lol.ahh gotcha! I understand. Good point, thank you.

Rocky H. Balboa
12-21-2006, 01:57 PM
If you want a "monster" contract, copy the one from CA Jack. Has anyone seen that monster of a contract? All you have to do is remove things, cannot say you will need to add things to it though.

In regards to keeping the breeder's name, like others have said, it is about respecting the people behind the dog. You may OWN the dog but did nothing to make it. So, why would you take it upon yourself to violate this rule? Some people have chosen to change the prefix of the dog only after gaining a Ch title or the like. Their thought is that THEY made it into a champion not the breeder. Others, keep the breeder's name even after winning such titles as a sign of outmost respect for the breeder.

Personally, i will keep the name of breeder and if it wins a title (conformation..lol), breeder's name will go after mine in parenthesis unless there is prior conflicting agreement to that affect.

kobebean8
12-21-2006, 02:01 PM
does anyone know ca jacks website?

ABK
12-21-2006, 02:34 PM
Can anyone post a link to his contract please?

Rocky H. Balboa
12-21-2006, 04:37 PM
I am trying to get this for ya'll. I do not have the site addy in my work computer but do at home. I will post contract rather than give link though. He seems to prefer staying under the radar if you know what I mean. Just try to use google and you will see.

Google got nothing on him! lol

Riptora
12-21-2006, 07:36 PM
ABK is right that contracts are tough to enforce, if you even are able. I think they are good though, and I think the biggest benefit to a contract is that it causes potential buyers to think twice and be sure that they want a pup, and that is indeed a BIG responsability. I feel it makes the breeders look more responsible, and it is proof that they not only care about the pups they put out, but the breed in general.

Attila- yeah, wouldn't it be nice if words were enough?