How's he lookin'?

[Lethalpits]

How ya'll doing. Just wanted to put up some updated pictures of my 4 1/2 month old blue boy. I am looking forward to doing confirmation shows with ADBA(because thats mostly all we have around here) and I know I gotta keep him toned and under 60lbs. He's not a Gotti or RE or a bully line so I'm hopin that won't be much of a problem, although right now he is looking hefty.
Here's his ped if anyone's interested.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=101225812&blogID=198206680&MyToken=d3f55a97-b54b-47d0-8311-12a6d0c5b1ea


But give me any feedback. I get alot of mixed reviews from the breeders and people around here, just checkin with ya'll.


BTW sorry for bad pictures these were quick cell phone shots today at the park.


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k106/lethalceo/maxstanding.jpg



http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k106/lethalceo/maxsitting.jpg

[MASON]

Good looking pup you got there! Hope everything works out and wish the best of luck with that youngin.

[Lethalpits]

Good looking pup you got there! Hope everything works out and wish the best of luck with that youngin.
Thanks man. BTW great lookin dog bro. Do you show with AADR/ADBA?

[BoogiemanBlood]

good luck with your pup at the shows. it's alot of fun and good people to meet if you've never been.

[Suki]

He looks good, imo. I personally like more of a tuck, but he's young yet...

Looks like you keep him nice, and he's good lookin, toboot.
Best of luck with him! :)

[Attila]

It is a good looking young dog. I have to admit that I don't recognize the dogs or lines in his pedigree. But that is fine I don't know them all. I do good knowing the ones I do. I am a bit bias in my own lines. I feel everyone should be proud of their dogs no matter what breed line they are. Or breed for that matter. I love most types of dogs. Although I have not figured out the use of some breeds yet. Maybe when I am really old I will understand what fluffy dogs are for. Maybe not. lol
Good dog show it proudly. he is still young yet but you will want to work on that tuck for the ring. Mason had some pictures of one of his show dogs on a thread a day or so ago take a good look at that dog and how it gaits and its stack. Very nice looking dog he has.

[Brothermarree]

He looks good nice structure. His tuck will come w/ work and time.

[Lethalpits]

He looks good nice structure. His tuck will come w/ work and time.Man I don't want to sound uneducated, but what exactly is the 'tuck' I'm looking for?

BTW I could really use some help on the show terms. I mean, I've read about them in the ADBA conformation, but they don't explain the terms.

Is the tuck the under stomach region? Also what about stacking? And Mason's dog does give me a great idea of what I'm looking for. I mea visually I can see what I am aiming for, but not verbally.

I've only been to one show, year and a half ago, at a 'bully' cup or whatever so it really wasn't a real show. It seemed like more of a show off your kennel.


Also, Atilla I signed up with APBT online so I'll have his ped up soon.
Most of the names in his 1-4 aren't highly known but his pedigree overall(1-6) is kind of interesting the way people put things together. It's kind of scatterbred, but it seems like a little bit of thought went into it with the game x PR show dog. I don't know, but I somehow picked up on an awesome boy!

[ABK]

Man I don't want to sound uneducated, but what exactly is the 'tuck' I'm looking for?
Here is a pic of a puppy who is "tucked."

http://www.freewebs.com/abkapbts/bis3006.jpg


As to can see, her tummy isn't a straight line like your boy's but instead her tummy "tucks" like a greyhound's does. If you condition a pit bull one of the things you will see is a tuck. Lack of tuck usually mean the dog is a little overweight. My girl's her tuck isn't really pronounced b/c I like to let my pups be pups & in this shot she is chain weight, but maybe this will give you an idea of what tuck is in a pup.

[MASON]

Thanks man. BTW great lookin dog bro. Do you show with AADR/ADBA?
I started out showing in UKC but now I show ADBA. I liKe ADBA better and have more fun when I am at the ADBA shows. Its all about your personal preference some of my friends love UKC and others like ADBA.

[Lethalpits]

Thanks ABK. I figured that is what a tuck is. He sometimes has a good one, but most of the time he doesn't. I'll just have to work on it a few months prior to show. Also I know the gait is his stance..right? But what about stacking??

ALSO here is his APBT online ped if anyone wants to look back further in his lines.
<a href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=230913">
MCGEE'S ROCK SOLID MAXIMUS AKA MAD MAXIMUS</a>

[ABK]

No problem. Gait & stance are not the same thing. Gait is how a dog moves. Stance is how he stands. Stacking is the act of "posing" a dog or teaching the dog to stand where it looks the best.

There is a page of dog show lingo out there somewhere. Maybe someone will be kind enough to post it for us. In the meantime you can play this game for fun. ;)

http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz17223213b92c8.html

[Lethalpits]

LOL ty thats funny ;p

[ABK]

LOL ty thats funny ;p
Ha ha. So what was your score? Did you lean anything? lol.

[CrazyK9]

Hmmm, thats interesting that your dog has game dogs and AKC AmStaffs, both not too far back in his ped. You don't really see that too often.

Hey Lethal, can you take some more pics of your boy? A few side, back, front, and top views at least. I can show you him compared to another dog of correct form and things to look for, like angulations, with paint shop pro if you want. :p Just remember he has growig to do still so right now its hard to judge.

ABK, how old is that pup in that pic? Just curious.

[Lethalpits]

Hmmm, thats interesting that your dog has game dogs and AKC AmStaffs, both not too far back in his ped. You don't really see that too often.

Hey Lethal, can you take some more pics of your boy? A few side, back, front, and top views at least. I can show you him compared to another dog of correct form and things to look for, like angulations, with paint shop pro if you want. :p Just remember he has growig to do still so right now its hard to judge.

ABK, how old is that pup in that pic? Just curious.
I will as soon as I can Crazy I'll PM you. but I dont have a Digi cam and I either use disposable and get CD or camera but it wont take long.

and yea, his ped is kinda odd,but if you look back further enough on those amstaffs they lead back to the earlier fighting amstaffs(which I'm sure most do but I thought it was different) and some have Tudors/colby lines tied into the amstaffs in the 1900's etc. And the breeder I got him from had pictures of all of the 2nd to 4th gen dogs and he knew most of the owners. Plus his setup was great and he claims this was his last litter.

[Renegade]

I will as soon as I can Crazy I'll PM you. but I dont have a Digi cam and I either use disposable and get CD or camera but it wont take long.

and yea, his ped is kinda odd,but if you look back further enough on those amstaffs they lead back to the earlier fighting amstaffs(which I'm sure most do but I thought it was different) and some have Tudors/colby lines tied into the amstaffs in the 1900's etc. And the breeder I got him from had pictures of all of the 2nd to 4th gen dogs and he knew most of the owners. Plus his setup was great and he claims this was his last litter.
I'm In memphis as well..What part of memphis are you in?

[ABK]

ABK, how old is that pup in that pic? Just curious.
She is 6 mos in that pic.

[CB]

That is a weird breeding if you ask me.

[MASON]

Hmmm, thats interesting that your dog has game dogs and AKC AmStaffs, both not too far back in his ped.
Which AKC Amstaffs are you referring to? Maybe I missed something?

[Lethalpits]

Which AKC Amstaffs are you referring to? Maybe I missed something?
On my boy's pedigree, click on Lowe's Sad Sadie(Reynold's Alligator Dundee's dam). She's in 4th gen. Her sire is an AKC line Amstaff and not quite sure what her dam is. Weird because Sad Sadie was bred to Corbett's Hagbar the Horrible, a Woods/Steve Bullsht line dog. So it's like a game/amstaff cross which shot out Alligator Dundee. My boy has like 4% amstaff. But on the bottom he also has 6% camelot line so..lots of game x show dog crosses on both top and bottom

yea it is weird lol

[Lethalpits]

I'm In memphis as well..What part of memphis are you in?
I'm in the Millington area Ren, u?

[Renegade]

I'm in the Cordova Area

[MASON]

On my boy's pedigree, click on Lowe's Sad Sadie(Reynold's Alligator Dundee's dam). She's in 4th gen. Her sire is an AKC line Amstaff and not quite sure what her dam is. Weird because Sad Sadie was bred to Corbett's Hagbar the Horrible, a Woods/Steve Bullsht line dog. So it's like a game/amstaff cross which shot out Alligator Dundee. My boy has like 4% amstaff. But on the bottom he also has 6% camelot line so..lots of game x show dog crosses on both top and bottom

yea it is weird lol
I see it now, right before my eyes, thanks.:) Curious to see how he will turn out, never saw a breeding like that before.

[pittfallin]

Man I don't want to sound uneducated, but what exactly is the 'tuck' I'm looking for?

BTW I could really use some help on the show terms. I mean, I've read about them in the ADBA conformation, but they don't explain the terms.

Is the tuck the under stomach region? Also what about stacking? And Mason's dog does give me a great idea of what I'm looking for. I mea visually I can see what I am aiming for, but not verbally.

I've only been to one show, year and a half ago, at a 'bully' cup or whatever so it really wasn't a real show. It seemed like more of a show off your kennel.


Also, Atilla I signed up with APBT online so I'll have his ped up soon.
Most of the names in his 1-4 aren't highly known but his pedigree overall(1-6) is kind of interesting the way people put things together. It's kind of scatterbred, but it seems like a little bit of thought went into it with the game x PR show dog. I don't know, but I somehow picked up on an awesome boy!youre gonna have a hard time showing a blue...take it from someone who knows,...im in the middle of regestering with the ukc. thats where ill be showing from now on

[Lethalpits]

youre gonna have a hard time showing a blue...take it from someone who knows,...im in the middle of regestering with the ukc. thats where ill be showing from now on

Yea I hear that alot from ADBAers Pit. But since I'm starting on him early I'm hoping I can keep his weight down by April 07 and try to keep him around 60 lbs max. I'll let his weight fluctuate(sp?) between shows but no more than 70.

although his breeder did say he could get up to the 80s which I'm trying not to.

BTW Pit did the ADBA show you attended not have a best blue??

[pittfallin]

Yea I hear that alot from ADBAers Pit. But since I'm starting on him early I'm hoping I can keep his weight down by April 07 and try to keep him around 60 lbs max. I'll let his weight fluctuate(sp?) between shows but no more than 70.

although his breeder did say he could get up to the 80s which I'm trying not to.

BTW Pit did the ADBA show you attended not have a best blue??60lbs will be WAY to heavy,...thats where my girl is and she was an easy 10 or 15lbs heavier than the rest...i dont unserstand the last part of your post....lol...

[Lethalpits]

60lbs will be WAY to heavy,...thats where my girl is and she was an easy 10 or 15lbs heavier than the rest...i dont unserstand the last part of your post....lol...

Damn 45-50 for blues? Does that count with males, too?

And, for my latter part of post I was refferin to the ADBA shows. Alot of the ones round here have a 'Best Blue Male/Female' judging. Was wondering if they did not have that at the ADBA show you attended. This is the one I'm looking into attending here soon.

http://www.vsbulldoggerassoc.com/

[pittfallin]

Damn 45-50 for blues? Does that count with males, too?

And, for my latter part of post I was refferin to the ADBA shows. Alot of the ones round here have a 'Best Blue Male/Female' judging. Was wondering if they did not have that at the ADBA show you attended. This is the one I'm looking into attending here soon.

http://www.vsbulldoggerassoc.com/ no,...they definetly did not have that ....lol...or i woulda won, the judge told me to my face that my dog looked terrific,she just has to much muscle on her back legs and that she was'nt skinny enough...look around the posts for a dog named red cocaine,...your dog needs to be that skinny or skinnier

[pittfallin]

Damn 45-50 for blues? Does that count with males, too?

And, for my latter part of post I was refferin to the ADBA shows. Alot of the ones round here have a 'Best Blue Male/Female' judging. Was wondering if they did not have that at the ADBA show you attended. This is the one I'm looking into attending here soon.

http://www.vsbulldoggerassoc.com/i looked at the link and thats not an adba show man...i have a book of all the shows and that ones not in it. also, you can ask around,..the adba DOES NOT like dogs our color...the ukc would be better for you also...jmo...he has to be at least a year before you can double register im though...if anything go to the show and meet some really smart people.

i went to my first show thinking i knew alot about these dogs and left with a complete diffrent outlook on the breed and the standard...
talk to everyone there, thats what i did...im normally im kinda loner when it comes to talkin to new people but when you can almost see the knowledge floating in the air you cant help it

[Lethalpits]

i looked at the link and thats not an adba show man...i have a book of all the shows and that ones not in it. also, you can ask around,..the adba DOES NOT like dogs our color...the ukc would be better for you also...jmo...he has to be at least a year before you can double register im though...if anything go to the show and meet some really smart people.

i went to my first show thinking i knew alot about these dogs and left with a complete diffrent outlook on the breed and the standard...
talk to everyone there, thats what i did...im normally im kinda loner when it comes to talkin to new people but when you can almost see the knowledge floating in the air you cant help it

Dang I gotta double check on VSBA..does anyone on here know more about their club?

Also don't give up just yet Pit you can always condition these dogs out man its hard but possible. I checked out RedCocaine, but check out Tnobs' dogs.

They are Greyline and at ABA shows.

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/3/8/8/2riley4-22.jpg

[pittfallin]

Dang I gotta double check on VSBA..does anyone on here know more about their club?

Also don't give up just yet Pit you can always condition these dogs out man its hard but possible. I checked out RedCocaine, but check out Tnobs' dogs.

They are Greyline and at ABA shows.

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/3/8/8/2riley4-22.jpgno....i am very far from giving up,...im double reg. my dog and going for the ukc show...i met the judge that inspected my dog for the double reg last weekend and she told me that mjt dog was one of the best she ever saw..

and then im gonna save up to buy a tredmill and get my dog lean for the adba shows...its not impossaqble to place a blue bog in the adba...its just got to stand out better than normal

[Patch O' Pits]

60lbs will be WAY to heavy,...thats where my girl is and she was an easy 10 or 15lbs heavier than the rest...i dont unserstand the last part of your post....lol... 60lbs is a bigger female of any color

I've seen plenty of males around that weight do fine in ADBA but not big females.

On another note, it is not about being skinny it is about being in shape

It is honestly more of a conditioning and proportion thing more so than actual weight. Dogs having a specific part more muscled than other parts are considered out of proportion

UKC is more accepting of dogs that are not fully conditioned , but overall the dog should still have good proportions

There are ADBA CHs that are blue so don't be discouraged if that is the org you want to try showing with....

From the picture it looks like the pups head may be larger than most ADBA dogs but that could just be the pict and or that he is still growing and in an awkward stage which is quite common during growth spurts. It is really hard to tell much of anything because it isn't a stacked or full pict of the dog. When you post more it will be easier to give better opinions on him though doing a structural eval on a pup going through growth spurts isn't always the best time to eval.


Good luck showing


I don't show ADBA, but I have been to their shows. I do however show UKKC, and have ADBA/UKC reg dogs. I may begin showing my girls ADBA in the spring... still deciding

[Lethalpits]

60lbs is a bigger female of any color

I've seen plenty of males around that weight do fine in ADBA but not big females.

On another note, it is not about being skinny it is about being in shape

It is honestly more of a conditioning and proportion thing more so than actual weight. Dogs having a specific part more muscled than other parts are considered out of proportion

UKC is more accepting of dogs that are not fully conditioned , but overall the dog should still have good proportions

There are ADBA CHs that are blue so don't be discouraged if that is the org you want to try showing with....

From the picture it looks like the pups head may be larger than most ADBA dogs but that could just be the pict and or that he is still growing and in an awkward stage which is quite common during growth spurts. It is really hard to tell much of anything because it isn't a stacked or full pict of the dog. When you post more it will be easier to give better opinions on him though doing a structural eval on a pup going through growth spurts isn't always the best time to eval.


Good luck showing


I don't show ADBA, but I have been to their shows. I do however show UKKC, and have ADBA/UKC reg dogs. I may begin showing my girls ADBA in the spring... still deciding
Yea I was thinking 60 is not that far off for a male, 55 would be better. But yes his head is kind of big but like you said he might be going through some growth spurts. I'll get better pictures soon, plus he is stubborn when it comes to cameras!

And Pit share that mill with me when ya get one lol jk I need one too. But ya I wouldn't let one adba judge get me down I'd take it more of a challenge, get my dog conditioned, weighted down and come back and show them whats up.

[pittfallin]

60lbs is a bigger female of any color

I've seen plenty of males around that weight do fine in ADBA but not big females.

On another note, it is not about being skinny it is about being in shape

It is honestly more of a conditioning and proportion thing more so than actual weight. Dogs having a specific part more muscled than other parts are considered out of proportion

UKC is more accepting of dogs that are not fully conditioned , but overall the dog should still have good proportions

There are ADBA CHs that are blue so don't be discouraged if that is the org you want to try showing with....

From the picture it looks like the pups head may be larger than most ADBA dogs but that could just be the pict and or that he is still growing and in an awkward stage which is quite common during growth spurts. It is really hard to tell much of anything because it isn't a stacked or full pict of the dog. When you post more it will be easier to give better opinions on him though doing a structural eval on a pup going through growth spurts isn't always the best time to eval.


Good luck showing


I don't show ADBA, but I have been to their shows. I do however show UKKC, and have ADBA/UKC reg dogs. I may begin showing my girls ADBA in the spring... still decidinghell....some of them dogs up there were just plain skinny...my dog is well proportioned well shes just a larger dog than the adba likes...i didnt say that you couldent place a blue dog.,...i said its hard ....i had 10 people tell me before i even got in the building that it was gonna be hard to place a blue dog....also you gotta have your dogs gait, stack and stance down before a ukc show...where as in the adba you need to teach you dog how to pull you while standing on its hind legs....lol....i called it a wheelie

[mopardave360]

I went to an ADBA show out here in So. Cal. about 3 weeks ago and saw a Blue Male get second place out of I believe 4 dogs in his class, so it's definitely possible. He was bigger than the other dogs in every way, taller, heavier, but WELL PROPORTIONED. I would have guessed him about 65-70 lbs. but he looked great. Lethalpits your dog definitely has the potential IMO.Don't get discouraged Pittfallin, just work her out a lil more and give it another shot. She looks good.

[pittfallin]

Yea I was thinking 60 is not that far off for a male, 55 would be better. But yes his head is kind of big but like you said he might be going through some growth spurts. I'll get better pictures soon, plus he is stubborn when it comes to cameras!

And Pit share that mill with me when ya get one lol jk I need one too. But ya I wouldn't let one adba judge get me down I'd take it more of a challenge, get my dog conditioned, weighted down and come back and show them whats up.man...thyere wasent a male in there that weighed more than 50....besides the weight pull...split the cost and you can come use it whenever you want..i live in dallas

[pittfallin]

what im saying isnt textbook standards but ive been to 4 diffrent shows and im telling you th problems that i personally had and what people told me that i was gonna have before i even got in there...and what the people told me is exactally what i saw happend and what happned to me....im not discouraged at all i only had 2 weeks to prep for the show and even when i did get to prep i didnt get to a good as i wanted because i had just had surgury 2 weeks prior....ill be ready next time...

[sedaliapitbulls]

Do you mind If I make a sticker out of your signature that you got there to sell.

Thanks man. BTW great lookin dog bro. Do you show with AADR/ADBA?

[BoogiemanBlood]

Yea I hear that alot from ADBAers Pit. But since I'm starting on him early I'm hoping I can keep his weight down by April 07 and try to keep him around 60 lbs max. I'll let his weight fluctuate(sp?) between shows but no more than 70.

although his breeder did say he could get up to the 80s which I'm trying not to.

BTW Pit did the ADBA show you attended not have a best blue??"best blue" is not an actual class. it is just one of the "fun" classes that some clubs put on to help raise money. you win a trophy but no points toward championing your dog.

[Lethalpits]

Do you mind If I make a sticker out of your signature that you got there to sell.
Um, I don't mind myself. I don't quite remember where I got that sticker from, but I don't think it would be a problem? Just remember its not mine lol

[Lethalpits]

"best blue" is not an actual class. it is just one of the "fun" classes that some clubs put on to help raise money. you win a trophy but no points toward championing your dog.
I figured that. Does anyone here know if VSBA is sanctioned??