A License to own a Pitbull?

[Lethalpits]

Has these idea ever been brought to attention or possibly being used anywhere?

I was wondering this as I read about the judge who said that she would kill all pitbulls if she could.

I believe this would be a great argument to BSL and would greatly cut back BYBs, uncaring handlers, underground thug pit fighters and generally anyone who doesn't deserve or need a 'pitbull'.

This license wouldn't have to be that hard to acquire, either. Just a good test of handling, caring, a 'what to do in case of' test, knowledge of the breed test and so forth.

Could be brought about by an organization, and maybe even ADBA or UKC could handle it? I mean I'm sure they'd love to hand out papers and licenses and charge anywhere from $10-50 to issue a license and re-new it every year.

I mean, people that know nothing of the breed would be less prone to go out and by one. On top of that, Billy the 16 year old who just has to have one because his buddy does wouldn't be able to coax his parents into getting him one.

I also believe that people should be at least 18 to own a pitbull.

If I ever had a litter drop I would never sell a pup to anyone under 18.


Anyway, give me some feedback, let me know what ya'll think.

I'm actually thinking of pushing this idea and starting a petition for BSL.

[simms]

Has these idea ever been brought to attention or possibly being used anywhere?

I was wondering this as I read about the judge who said that she would kill all pitbulls if she could.

I believe this would be a great argument to BSL and would greatly cut back BYBs, uncaring handlers, underground thug pit fighters and generally anyone who doesn't deserve or need a 'pitbull'.

This license wouldn't have to be that hard to acquire, either. Just a good test of handling, caring, a 'what to do in case of' test, knowledge of the breed test and so forth.

Could be brought about by an organization, and maybe even ADBA or UKC could handle it? I mean I'm sure they'd love to hand out papers and licenses and charge anywhere from $10-50 to issue a license and re-new it every year.

I mean, people that know nothing of the breed would be less prone to go out and by one. On top of that, Billy the 16 year old who just has to have one because his buddy does wouldn't be able to coax his parents into getting him one.

I also believe that people should be at least 18 to own a pitbull.

If I ever had a litter drop I would never sell a pup to anyone under 18.


Anyway, give me some feedback, let me know what ya'll think.

I'm actually thinking of pushing this idea and starting a petition for BSL.
BULLSH%T!

I'll push for breeder liability first.

[SisMorphine]

I think everyone should have to actually take a test of general knowledge to get a license to own any dog.

[catcher T]

you make many good points,,however,,call me a paranoia,,but,,I would not license my dogs,,I don't now,,i have all working breeds and do not want the government knowing exactly what I got,,I think the less they know the better. it seems no matter what is done its such a bite in the @ss

[diggit]

there is pro's and cons to everything..... but i dont think it will stop the BYB's they will just breed anyways :(

maybe a lisence to match a dog? i mean heck you have to have a liscene to own a gun.... and they probibly have shooting comps and ect. why cant we have proper matches by the rules?...

again there would be pros and cons to that also... obvioulsy and of course it would never happen.

[Lethalpits]

you make many good points,,however,,call me a paranoia,,but,,I would not license my dogs,,I don't now,,i have all working breeds and do not want the government knowing exactly what I got,,I think the less they know the better. it seems no matter what is done its such a bite in the @ss
I don't think the government would be too much involved unless something happened with the dogs(i.e attack, animal rights or something etc.).

and even if there were a license brought about I doubt everyone would jump up and go get one.

But, in case of of a court or some other government organization had to get involved with you and your dog, maybe a license would help?

Aren't there other licenses to own certain animals?

[Jake01]

I personally wouldn't want to give up anymore rights than I have to. Or add any laws to the ten thousand existing laws. There's nothing you can do about kids getting these dogs. IT'll happen anyways.

[bahamutt99]

The problem is, dog owners are so diverse, and there is no single set of criteria for what defines a responsible one. If there's going to be a dog owner licensing system, maybe it should be similar to the driver's license. You can get one when you turn 18, but if you start screwing around and getting cited for things (loose dogs, bites, noise nuisances, letting poop pile up), you get points on your license. Too many points, your license gets suspended, and you can't own or handle dogs.

And it should go for all dogs, not just Pit Bulls. If we start letting breed-specific language creep into our laws, we've already lost.

[jaystreetsA4]

sounds like a good ideea, but in reality would be a BSL nightmare.

[BoogiemanBlood]

Has these idea ever been brought to attention or possibly being used anywhere?

I was wondering this as I read about the judge who said that she would kill all pitbulls if she could.

I believe this would be a great argument to BSL and would greatly cut back BYBs, uncaring handlers, underground thug pit fighters and generally anyone who doesn't deserve or need a 'pitbull'.

This license wouldn't have to be that hard to acquire, either. Just a good test of handling, caring, a 'what to do in case of' test, knowledge of the breed test and so forth.

Could be brought about by an organization, and maybe even ADBA or UKC could handle it? I mean I'm sure they'd love to hand out papers and licenses and charge anywhere from $10-50 to issue a license and re-new it every year.

I mean, people that know nothing of the breed would be less prone to go out and by one. On top of that, Billy the 16 year old who just has to have one because his buddy does wouldn't be able to coax his parents into getting him one.

I also believe that people should be at least 18 to own a pitbull.

If I ever had a litter drop I would never sell a pup to anyone under 18.


Anyway, give me some feedback, let me know what ya'll think.

I'm actually thinking of pushing this idea and starting a petition for BSL.
This is not a good idea at all. First step toward something worse. As soon as a few accidents happen with people who didn't get the permit and everybody against our dogs would use it against us.

[Attila]

I think we have enough laws and rules that don't work as is. Why add more. What are you reaching for, socialism?

[Twitty]

ask yourself if you would like to have a license to take a s@#T, or to have sex! I feel that to many people want to get in your pocket. Isn't paying taxes enough for you! personally some adults should not be allowed to breed but we don't make them get a license to have children! next youll be asking me to get a license for owing a poodle! forget about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! disagree with ya!

[GSDbulldog]

We need to police our own. Stop adopting/selling dogs to people who shouldn't own them, help educate those already in the breed, do some good for your dogs. We created this problem, and we need to fix it.

The last thing we need are more laws, more regulations. . . When the current ones can't be enforced as it is!

[Brothermarree]

Has these idea ever been brought to attention or possibly being used anywhere?

I was wondering this as I read about the judge who said that she would kill all pitbulls if she could.

I believe this would be a great argument to BSL and would greatly cut back BYBs, uncaring handlers, underground thug pit fighters and generally anyone who doesn't deserve or need a 'pitbull'.

This license wouldn't have to be that hard to acquire, either. Just a good test of handling, caring, a 'what to do in case of' test, knowledge of the breed test and so forth.

Could be brought about by an organization, and maybe even ADBA or UKC could handle it? I mean I'm sure they'd love to hand out papers and licenses and charge anywhere from $10-50 to issue a license and re-new it every year.

I mean, people that know nothing of the breed would be less prone to go out and by one. On top of that, Billy the 16 year old who just has to have one because his buddy does wouldn't be able to coax his parents into getting him one.

I also believe that people should be at least 18 to own a pitbull.

If I ever had a litter drop I would never sell a pup to anyone under 18.


Anyway, give me some feedback, let me know what ya'll think.

I'm actually thinking of pushing this idea and starting a petition for BSL.I don't agree your parrents should dictate whether you can have a pit bull or not. I been running w/ this breed since I was 14. 've had a few mentors which always helps some I listened to and some I never will get advice from again.

[Lethalpits]

ask yourself if you would like to have a license to take a s@#T, or to have sex! I feel that to many people want to get in your pocket. Isn't paying taxes enough for you! personally some adults should not be allowed to breed but we don't make them get a license to have children! next youll be asking me to get a license for owing a poodle! forget about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! disagree with ya!

Well, if having sex or using the bathroom was banned where I live, then yes, I would GREATLY appreciate a license to do so. Those are two things I can't live without lol.

But just like my dogs. Let's say I live in Dade County(where pitbulls are banned), I would love to be offered a license to own a pitbull and still live in the area.

Yes, this specifies our breed, but it is already specified in that area and banned. There is really no other option. You can try to petition to release the ban as much as you want, but to no avail.

Maybe a certificate or license wouldn't be useful to everyone, but I'm sure in a city where the dogs are banned, it would be helpful.

[GSDbulldog]

But just like my dogs. Let's say I live in Dade County(where pitbulls are banned), I would love to be offered a license to own a pitbull and still live in the area.
Hell, the ban in Dade County isn't doing much. There's a bulldog on every corner. For every dog you see that's confinscated on TV, there are at least 5 more in hiding. My own dog came from there (Which is something I don't understand. The shelter will allow pit bulls to be adopted out so long as they will not be housed in Dade County. If they were really as dangerous as they claim, all would be euthanized upon entering the shelter)

[Phebes]

personally some adults should not be allowed to breed but we don't make them get a license to have children! !
AH! but maybe we should

[Lethalpits]

and my aim wouldn't be 'socialism'.


I'm just thinking more of a certificate that shows you are a capable dog/pitbull owner. Not government issued, but government recognized. It could be handled by our own pitbull registries.
You don't have to get certified, but you can get certificate showing that you are a capable owner.

In turn, it could be done for all dog breeds. Nothing you 'have' to do, but something that would be better for you and your dogs.

Then again, I'm sure, this wouldn't hold against anything in court, but maybe.

Certified(or licensed or w/e) breeders, certified trainers, dog handlers, owners.

As opposed to uncertified breeders, owners, trainers, etc.

[14rock]

Our own breed owners, and forum members, are supporters of BSL...unbelievable.

[Dirty3rd]

If they will just let anyone breed (have kids) without a license, then it will never happen with dogs. I mean we all know that some people just should'nt have that right.

[14rock]

we all know that some people just should'nt have that right.This is true, many dog-owners shouldnt own an animal. HOWEVER its no ones say to tell them they can't. The only thing you can do is watch whose hands your dogs get into, and educate.

[Lethalpits]

I'm hoping no one is getting the wrong idea of this thread and assuming I support any type of BSL.

The point of this thread was for places and cities that are already victims of BSL and trying to propose a solution.

[ABK]

IMO it's a bad idea. Here's why - you need a license to drive a car right? Licenses are supposed to keep kids from driving right? But how many ppl out there right now as we speak - both kids & adults - are driving on w/o a license?? Tons of them. TONS. So having an "APBT license" is not going to work. It will only hurt the law abiding citizen & will do nothing to curb irresponsible ownership.

JMHO ...

[14rock]

I'm hoping no one is getting the wrong idea of this thread and assuming I support any type of BSL..The liscencing of "pitbulls" is a clear-cut case of BSL. BSL=Breed Specific Legislation. That means any legislation which seperates one breed of canine from another, is bsl. Its not as severe as mandatory spay/neuter, illegal to own in city limits, etc etc but you give an inch, they take a mile. Hell, APBT owners have been fighting tooth and nail against BSL for close to 30 years, if not more, and still losing. Can you imagine if "pitbull" owners started to AGREE with the propositions how fast these legislations would fly into office?

Your reasoning behind it is probably well-meant, but imo its misguided, and a terrible idea.

[CrazyK9]

I don't like the idea of anything limiting people's rights. As much as I wish we could keep stupid people from breeding and away from our dogs, they have every right to do what they want.

And I'll tell you one thing for sure, keeping people under 18 from owning pit bulls is a bunch of bull. I am only 16 and I know a lot more about dogs, especially APBTs, than most adults. Before I'm 18, I may very well own 5 dogs or more and be breeding gamedogs. Anyone who tries to keep me from that is going to get hell!

[Fedor23]

you make many good points,,however,,call me a paranoia,,but,,I would not license my dogs,,I don't now,,i have all working breeds and do not want the government knowing exactly what I got,,I think the less they know the better. it seems no matter what is done its such a bite in the @ss Me either, these days the gov. tries to control us too much

[purplepig]

More laws is the last thing we need. To legislate that I must have a permit/liscense to own a dog is flat out crazy. Heck, I am even worried about my dogs being registered should the humaniacs manage to pull off the big one. Cause you know that Gov. will make them hand over their files, and then big brother will be knockin' on my door!! And to legislate this would be even closer to that. NO, I reckon I would have to be outside the law(and I do my best to obey the law, dont want to store up damnation for myself!!) if something like this were passed. We say that the gov. couldnt do this or that, well, I am one of those whose free spirits was broken by the government. I was institutionalized at one point in my life, so I am under no dilusionment of what is possible. Look at Waco, Ruby Ridge. We want to say we'd do this or that, maybe you'd try, but you'd go down. "no one would do that to me", at the same time getting dog piled by the police, handcuffed and getting more charges added by the minute. No thank you. I aviod anything to do with the government having more info on me. they got enough as it is.

It just may be that if something like this were passed, the next thing would be having to get one to have a baby! Although I do feel that people who are living on welfare as a profession should be spuetered! As do I feel that a person who has an abortion should be done the same way. Over 90% of them are done as a form of birth control.

I am sorry I kinda got off topic, just got me to thinking.

Cheers

[pennsooner]

A liscense to own a specific breed IS BSL. Awful idea for any number of reasons. This reminds me of Ronald Regans famous quote. " Some of the most dreaded words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

[ABK]

This reminds me of Ronald Regans famous quote. " Some of the most dreaded words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".lol, how true! Unless the person hearing it is one of those welfare tiddy-babies. Then that quote is probably music to their ears. After all ...

http://www.bootsandsabers.com/images/welfare.jpg


But that is another subject unto itself ...

[jdbpitbull]

now if we did go for this liscense to own (which i think it is a bad idea), wouldnt it make it another reason to down the pit because then we would have to hear "oh you have to have a license just to own one of those horrible breed, they are so vicious you have to be trained just to have one " and dont they have a bad enough rep that people place on their shoulders and backs instead of the ones trying to help the breed adding to this terrible problem

[TripleJ]

NO MORE RULES!!! If you breed them keep them its that simple. If you sell pups to strangers then thats when the trouble starts. I can tell you where every dog Ive bred is, except for a few that were stolen. But we can all police our selfs dont let dogs out to folks that dont need them you know a real dog man/woman or a punk ass that wont take care to make sure they are first.. Yis J

[Attila]

If only every one would be so responsible. Even with careful picking some times something goes wrong. I reclaim dogs and/or find new homes for them.

[ABK]

If only every one would be so responsible. Even with careful picking some times something goes wrong. I reclaim dogs and/or find new homes for them.
I have as well. But sometimes if ppl find out you're going to re-claim the dog they'll hide the dog. I've even had one woman actually up & move to avoid having me repossess the dog for a contract violation. :(

[Attila]

I have as well. But sometimes if ppl find out you're going to re-claim the dog they'll hide the dog. I've even had one woman actually up & move to avoid having me repossess the dog for a contract violation. :(
I have had them try similar tactics too. But I don't give warnings. I didn't mention the details that resulted in violent reposetions. We all know how that can go. There probably is a major difference's in our tactics. It depends on how far are you willing to go to make the point, example and punishment. We all know what happens in the field stays in the field.

[Lethalpits]

I think everyone is missing my reply posts..

As I read everyone's responses and feedback, I proposed another idea.

Instead of FORCING everyone who owns a pitbull terrier, I proposed the idea of having the option to be a certified pitbull owner.

and like I said before, it could be handled by our own pitbull registeries.

[ABK]

I have had them try similar tactics too. But I don't give warnings. I didn't mention the details that resulted in violent reposetions. We all know how that can go. There probably is a major difference's in our tactics. It depends on how far are you willing to go to make the point, example and punishment. We all know what happens in the field stays in the field.Yea, maybe I am too nice. I gave her 30 days to comply w/ the contract & she disappeared. Lesson learned on my part I guess.

[Attila]

Yea, maybe I am too nice. I gave her 30 days to comply w/ the contract & she disappeared. Lesson learned on my part I guess.
I wouldn't say you're too nice. That would mean I am not nice at all. lol
I have just learned to strike with out warning. The element of suprise works best catch them with their pants down and give them no time to react negatively. And don't go alone or unprotected. To be prepaired for adverse reactions.

[ABK]

I wouldn't say you're too nice. That would mean I am not nice at all. lol
I have just learned to strike with out warning. The element of suprise works best catch them with their pants down and give them no time to react negatively. And don't go alone or unprotected. To be prepaired for adverse reactions.You are right in that you have to be prepared for adverse reactions. Some ppl will clown when they think you are taking something that is "theirs." The last time I re-claimed a dog I took the police w/ me just in case. Luckily the guy was real cool about the whole thing, but he was the exception, not the rule.

[Attila]

You are right in that you have to be prepared for adverse reactions. Some ppl will clown when they think you are taking something that is "theirs." The last time I re-claimed a dog I took the police w/ me just in case. Luckily the guy was real cool about the whole thing, but he was the exception, not the rule.
Yah that isn't a common response. However breach of contract makes that dog mine and no longer theirs. I have a complaint department they can file a complaint with it for resolution. My collections department handles all collections, monitary or other. Mr. Louisville heads up both departments. Some times backed by Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. However most times it goes very smoothly. As the contract department has a very effective way of getting the terms across on how things will be operating in the event of a conflict of contract. Communication is a very important issue.

[NGDOGMAN]

Lethal you seem to have good intentions but let me break it down for you as I have had the same idea and there is no simple fix to this problem.

BSL=unconstitutional
No one wants or needs more laws or regulations.
There is no guarantee or way to get all people to register all dogs without major violations of rights/privacy. Still there will be people that breed and sell off pups or keep em on their yard and never register.
Even after registration you will just know who has a dog, unless all dogs are tagged in some way after registration and photographed there is no real definate way to identify a dog that attacks or gets loose. And again who is going to really register and all this would cost extra $$.
It will not stop fighting or neglect/abuse cases.
It will put out a negative overall image of the breed.
It will give PETA a hit list.
There really is no need, as pitbulls are wonderful loyal loving human passive animals. It is just the few bad cases that mess it up for everyone.
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I think i know your line of thought. 'there has to be a way to get all these people that hate pitbulls, want to ban them, and want to kill them to see the light.' In my experience these people are the most uneducated people when it comes to these dogs or they had a bad personal experience. There is a legislature in my state that was pushing bsl because his niece was attacked and mauled. I understand his pain but wrong solution. BSL is not going to stop the next little girl from getting attacked. I remember about ten years back the same thing was going on with rots and dobes. People need to step back and think outside the box on this one. One day it is this breed the next day it is another. The problem is not a breed but the owners. BAN THE DEED NOT THE BREED. sounding familiar. sure you have come across this saying before. Education seems to be the only real solution we have right now. Hopefully the trend of pitbulls will pass soon and everyone will move on and want to ban flaming liberals.
Do yall ever wonder about these liberal bsl pushing peta folks. I mean they are all worried about a few animals and want everything to be all touchy go feely sunshine and rainbows, but what about the millions of americans below the poverty line what about the aids epidemic in africa what about the meth problem that has hit like crack did in he 80's. I mean you come off like you want to help but you are doing nothing to really help anyone or anything. And yes there is a need for animal protection from some folks but find a better cause already.

[simms]

NO MORE RULES!!! If you breed them keep them its that simple. If you sell pups to strangers then thats when the trouble starts. I can tell you where every dog Ive bred is, except for a few that were stolen. But we can all police our selfs dont let dogs out to folks that dont need them you know a real dog man/woman or a punk ass that wont take care to make sure they are first.. Yis J
Viable refferences.

Close the circle folks this breeds not for every one!

[Attila]

I think everyone is missing my reply posts..

As I read everyone's responses and feedback, I proposed another idea.

Instead of FORCING everyone who owns a pitbull terrier, I proposed the idea of having the option to be a certified pitbull owner.

and like I said before, it could be handled by our own pitbull registeries.
Here is the deal. If we are required to do such then every pet owner should be required the same, to include goldfish, lizards, snakes, bats, birds, cats, rats, goats, sheep, chickens, ducks, mudd puppies, and the list goes on forever, and if you put a collar and leash on your spouse you have to have a permit and lisence for that too!

What really needs to happen is for lawmakers do gooders, AR, HS, PETA, tree huggers and so on need to mind their own farking business and stay the hell out of others. They need to get a life or shoot them selves in the head or jump from a tall tree with a short rope tied to their necks. Problem solved they can't bitch and we don't need to hear them any way they are worthless wastes of flesh that only take up much needed space and oxygen. I say we make a movement and a hostile take over and exsile them to some place like alkatraz or maybe hell sooner than they had planned on going there.

[Brothermarree]

I feel ya. I really haven't had anythinggo wrong with my farm outs but I only have done 3 and kept most of the litters between me and my partner. I think we sold 2 out of 6 to some resposible homes one was a pet home where they wanted him sneutered so they paid 4 him.
I hope I don't run into anything I think A permit to keep a pit is a bad idea.

[masta of game]

I'm hoping no one is getting the wrong idea of this thread and assuming I support any type of BSL.

The point of this thread was for places and cities that are already victims of BSL and trying to propose a solution.

they should do that in Australia

most of my friends this year bought pitbulls or pitbulls crosses if i can count...6 of my friends... even though they are banned here in australia..

and most likely they will all get rid of them by the age of 1 years old..

so this bsl thing is really not working over here in Australia..

A License to own a Pitbull is good idea..

u know whats funny... there is this dude, young guy who always asks me to get him a pure apbt with paper/pedigree, and i always used to tell him to join game-dog.com and be active for a year and learna alot before i will help him.. he never did

and every time he sees me he asks me, so i tild him to first try other breed. i told him to adobt a Germain shepherd or buy a a pupy..

he did so, bought an 8 week pup, 3 weeks later i met him arond the hood and he was looking for someone to take the pup for 50 dollars, and he asked me if i know anyone who would take the pup... i asked hik why, he said the puppy eats alot and he cant afford it.. i was like damn.. im glad i didnt give u an apbt.. i said dude , u just git the pup 2-3 weeks ago... u see , i knew u couldntt takecare of a dog

he walked and was asking every person he sees if the they want a pup for 50 dollars or free.. sad

[Titch_Pitbull]

How would you police this? hassle everyone on the street walking a bulldog WHERES YOUR LICENSE? lets say you forget it at home. RIGHT OFF TO THE POUND WITH YOUR DOG.

F That. Our freedoms are already been taken alway slowly. :mad:

it should be your choice and right to own whatever breed of dog you wish.