Kennels in my area...

[Tonka03]

and what do you think about there dogs they are putting out.


www.hurricanebaykennels.com (http://www.hurricanebaykennels.com/) RE in there line and Gaff.

www.doublecbluepits.com (http://www.doublecbluepits.com/) RE and Gaff too.



Tony

[GSDbulldog]

Edit.

To keep it simple, what sets these breeders apart from the hundreds of others peddling RE and Gaff-bred dogs?

[Lethalpits]

Edit.

To keep it simple, what sets these breeders apart from the hundreds of others peddling RE and Gaff-bred dogs?
Double C looks like a reasonable breeder, I suppose. They do have some good looking dogs imo. No info of bloodline or peds or anything. The Hurricane kennel looks like they are out for the money to me.

[diggit]

i would classifly as staff breeder.... since those lines are mixed with staffy if you look at the pedigrees.

i used to like dogs of this line when i first started but now that i have studied everyday i like the strong pitbull traits and working ability, therefore im now sticking to the original lines.

RE have big rumors that they mixed it with english bulldog... i have to admit most RE dogs of today do look like english bulldogs and somtimes pop out with a curly tail.

both lines should be OFA tested for HD because with most lines of showdogs or bullies they have HD common.... esp. greyline dogs.

and the gaff's are showbreds they look more like the AKC standard then the UKC one...

i like dogs to the ADBA standard but thats just my own opinion....

its good that you are studying about these lines.... :) hopfully you find what you like.


JMHO

[bahamutt99]

Well, ya know... Whenever I see a breeder page with nothing but pictures and puppy prices, I generally assume they aren't really worth looking at. Maybe that's not technically the right thing to do, but its been a pretty good indicator so far. Folks who are putting a lot of effort into their program and trying to breed responsibly aren't going to try to hide their accomplishments. I know with every title or health test Loki gets, one of the first things I do when I get home is brag and update her page. :D If you can't go to a dog's page and see his titles and health tests laid out, they probably aren't there.

[Attila]

I don't think much at all about those dogs. I don't even know what breed of dog they are. I can tell you what they are not though. Not worth any more than adopting any dog from the pound and that is as honest as I can be.
Infact if this is going to be just another shot at promoting a mix breed dog then I will shut it down. this is the warning.

[Tonka03]

"I" am not promoting these dogs or the kennels. I went to the flea market yesterday and saw these two out there. Usually there are about 4-6 breeders out there. I asked HBK if he health tested he said that he has been breeding since 2000 and no problems have showen up anywhere. NO HD, demedetrix mange(redmange) or any othere thing. I asked the Double C person about the dogs and she was saying that she bred the Gaff and the RE and come out with a fine dog all the way around. I told her they were to big and she got really deffencive. So I just let it go, but I am just curious to what people think about these dogs and the kennels. No promotoing or anything like that.

Tony

[Attila]

Tony,

That is good to know. The dogs are mongrels. No worthy Breeder would be peddling pups at a flea market, and six years of breeding hardly means much that is only a couple of generations. There is much more to health checks than someones word on it. I am sure you know that or you would have been standing there listening to their sales pitch longer than you did. When I was a kid you could get mixed breeds for free at the IGA parking lot. Iffen you got one you would try to see if it would hunt bird or squirrel maybe a coon or something if not it was just another shit eaten dog. taking up space on the farm unless it kept fox and coyotes run off. They sure as heck are not worth more than a penny a pound. There isn't much to be trusted by a mix of two total different breeds of dog. Could end up a man biter or a dog that just don't hunt and just lays there getting fat and taking up space. Not much worse than puppy peddlers. No back ground checks, no repore, no nothing. Probably not strait papers. When you go to an auction you often get what the farmer didn't want or the least desireable of the herd. Well dogs at a fea market are no different. Just isn't right. I want to know who I am getting a dog from see their yard, and If some one is to get a dog off my yard I expect them to get to know me and check me out as well. Otherwise I don't want them having one of my dogs. It is a very careful process to pick who gets a dog off your yard. Even after careful picking something can go wrong. We can't control any one but ourselves. And every one will make an error now and then. I did once and her name is Kim or satan which ever works for you. Ok I made more than that but that was the worst ever. But a big problem is that many feel that this is an excepted practic and that these dogs are of some sort of standard. They have yet to write, state or other wise profess a standard for what ever breed they might be which also is yet to be put in stone.

[HBK]

"I" am not promoting these dogs or the kennels. I went to the flea market yesterday and saw these two out there. Usually there are about 4-6 breeders out there. I asked HBK if he health tested he said that he has been breeding since 2000 and no problems have showen up anywhere. NO HD, demedetrix mange(redmange) or any othere thing. I asked the Double C person about the dogs and she was saying that she bred the Gaff and the RE and come out with a fine dog all the way around. I told her they were to big and she got really deffencive. So I just let it go, but I am just curious to what people think about these dogs and the kennels. No promotoing or anything like that.

Tony

Just so there is no mistakes made I am not the HBK mentioned here nor do I or would I be affiliated with them.

hbk

[Brothermarree]

The fact is ppl like different dogs, I can't vouch for RE but I know gaff is good blood. Thier are only a few strains of RE who are pure in my eyes.

[GSDbulldog]

Regardless of what blood they're running, if someone is peddling pups at a flea market it's a good indication that they are not a responsible breeder, and ARE part of the problem.

[debodebo]

Tony,

That is good to know. The dogs are mongrels. No worthy Breeder would be peddling pups at a flea market, and six years of breeding hardly means much that is only a couple of generations. There is much more to health checks than someones word on it. I am sure you know that or you would have been standing there listening to their sales pitch longer than you did. When I was a kid you could get mixed breeds for free at the IGA parking lot. Iffen you got one you would try to see if it would hunt bird or squirrel maybe a coon or something if not it was just another shit eaten dog. taking up space on the farm unless it kept fox and coyotes run off. They sure as heck are not worth more than a penny a pound. There isn't much to be trusted by a mix of two total different breeds of dog. Could end up a man biter or a dog that just don't hunt and just lays there getting fat and taking up space. Not much worse than puppy peddlers. No back ground checks, no repore, no nothing. Probably not strait papers. When you go to an auction you often get what the farmer didn't want or the least desireable of the herd. Well dogs at a fea market are no different. Just isn't right. I want to know who I am getting a dog from see their yard, and If some one is to get a dog off my yard I expect them to get to know me and check me out as well. Otherwise I don't want them having one of my dogs. It is a very careful process to pick who gets a dog off your yard. Even after careful picking something can go wrong. We can't control any one but ourselves. And every one will make an error now and then. I did once and her name is Kim or satan which ever works for you. Ok I made more than that but that was the worst ever. But a big problem is that many feel that this is an excepted practic and that these dogs are of some sort of standard. They have yet to write, state or other wise profess a standard for what ever breed they might be which also is yet to be put in stone.Exactly those dogs are mutts and should not be bred. Their are plenty that look identical at all the shelters around here.

[Quitugua]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the truth is the truth. BYB!!!! What else is there to say? You're wasting your time, & money if you haven't already dealt with them. Please just go with an honest reputable breeder, & get to know him, & his stock. He won't let you down. Because not only does he have a rep as a breeder, he'll be as honest as his word makes him out to be.God bless you...

[Mott's APBT's]

Hey wasnt Gamblers Gr CH Virgil bought at a flea Market? LOL

[bahamutt99]

I asked HBK if he health tested he said that he has been breeding since 2000 and no problems have showen up anywhere.
Think about what you just said, though. If he's been breeding since 2000, then the oldest dogs he's bred are only 6. A dog with mild HD or a light heart murmur may live through the biggest part of their life without showing any signs. And if you don't take steps to look for these things, you'll never know if they're there or not. Its plenty easy to ignore small signs and just take your chances and breed anyway. The folks that I respect the most actively seek out the flaws and breed to avoid them.

[Tonka03]

I AM NOT GETTING A DOG FROM EITHER ONE OF THEM, JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR!!!!I have my new boy already. Just curious to what you guys thought about them thats all.

[CrazyK9]

Both are horrible. I can't even express how angry those types of breeders make me. If people want to breed these types of dogs they need to at least stop calling them "Pit Bulls." They are American Staffordshire Terriers. They are "American Bullies". They are mutts. They are NOT American Pit Bull Terriers.

RE dogs ...ugh, don't even get me started. I know nothing about Gaff, Gotti, Greyline or any of that other crap but I expect they're the same. Those are the kind of dogs instilling fear in people and giving true APBTs a bad name. Those are the kind of dogs that are appealing to "thug" types. And those are the kind of dogs being over-bred and badly bred by puppy peddlers.

Also, notice that HBK did not answer the question about if they did health tests. They walked around it by saying that nothing has shown up. As Baha said, many health problems can't be seen with the naked eye...