Killer Spinner Mill Launched

[RPmillmaker]

http://millmaker.proboards50.com/index.cgi

[STPFAN]

8 times...just like I was saying...good job guys!

[ChAnimal]

8 times...just like I was saying...good job guys!
Nice thats pretty good, but it cant beat 11, as soon as its made?

[RPmillmaker]

I am off by 1/4" on the belt slat assembly,the slats are not perpendicular with the belt. I will make a test run again as soon as i have fixed the belt, Im aiming on 10 spins or more,plus if the mills are "break" well it should be more..The mills tested are "new". RL mill only spins 7

[STPFAN]

Nice thats pretty good, but it cant beat 11, as soon as its made?
What mill spins 11 times?

YIS

[ChAnimal]

What mill spins 11 times?

YISMINE LOL AND THATS A FACT, THATS 11 AS SOON AS ITS MADE AND IM NOT STANDING OVER IT PUSHING WITH BOTH HANDS WITH A SLAT MISSING, IF I DONE THAT I WOULD HONESTLY GET 15-20.

EDIT:- BUT WITH THAT SAID HIS MILLS ARE NICE AND ARE GOOD FOR THE $$$

[DDK]

MINE LOL AND THATS A FACT, THATS 11 AS SOON AS ITS MADE AND IM NOT STANDING OVER IT PUSHING WITH BOTH HANDS WITH A SLAT MISSING, IF I DONE THAT I WOULD HONESTLY GET 15-20.

EDIT:- BUT WITH THAT SAID HIS MILLS ARE NICE AND ARE GOOD FOR THE $$$If you are for real post some pics and videos of your mill spinning 11 or more,maybe your mill is da** too short (3 feet length),and belt about 8-10 feet, LOL,thats why one whole revolution is pretty easy to reach,My Red River mill has approx of 23 feet of belt,turns about 4-5 only, I would pay any amount of $$ for one of your mill if it is true that it can reach 11 or more,but if you are just bullsh***** ,nevermind!

I'll be waiting for your reply

email me at numbahone_stunnah@yahoo.com

YIS
DDK

[BFKENNEL]

With respect to Robert Lemm THE ORIGINAL MILLMAKER. I watched his old video and his new video. I noticed that when he demonstrates the lightness of his mill by turning the slat with four fingers of his right or left hand. I GIVE emphasis on the number of fingers that he uses to spin his mill and uses only one hand and standing on the side of the mill. And by looking at the video you can see the lightness of his free turning mill. Its not the number of rotations but its lightness. When he demostrates in his video he DIDNOT targeted a certain number of turns rather to show the public that he has the FREE TURNING SLATMILL that you can find.

BTW, I've got an e-mail from the secretary of Mr. Lemm and she gladly informed me that they're selling some rollers and hubs etc. that you can use for your mills.And also planning to make another design of FREE TURNING slatmills in a couple of months.

LINK: http://www.themillmaker.com/ hope this link could help!!!

DISCLAIMER:
I'm no against with the RP millmaker.He's a good and stand up guy. Every person has his own views. And lets give CREDIT to where the credit is due!

[DDK]

With respect to Robert Lemm THE ORIGINAL MILLMAKER. I watched his old video and his new video. I noticed that when he demonstrates the lightness of his mill by turning the slat with four fingers of his right or left hand. I GIVE emphasis on the number of fingers that he uses to spin his mill and uses only one hand and standing on the side of the mill. And by looking at the video you can see the lightness of his free turning mill. Its not the number of rotations but its lightness. When he demostrates in his video he DIDNOT targeted a certain number of turns rather to show the public that he has the FREE TURNING SLATMILL that you can find.

BTW, I've got an e-mail from the secretary of Mr. Lemm and she gladly informed me that they're selling some rollers and hubs etc. that you can use for your mills.And also planning to make another design of FREE TURNING slatmills in a couple of months.

LINK: http://www.themillmaker.com/ hope this link could help!!!

DISCLAIMER:
I'm no against with the RP millmaker.He's a good and stand up guy. Every person has his own views. And lets give CREDIT to where the credit is due!I had the chance to talk John (CAjack) last time and he is fuc*** up with you,You are selling his stuff without his approval,he told you ordered all the stuff (cd,book,etc.),and he was thinking it was for your personal use,but he was f***ed up to know you are reselling it,LOL

[RPmillmaker]

This one is for you ACE of BFK, I dont need FOUR fingers, I just need ONE,and thats my PINKY

watch video:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v468/millmaker/FOR%20YOU%20ACE/?action=view&current=FORUACE.flv

[Attila]

ChAnimal and all. Please keep this civil. Putting out facts and civil debate is fine. But the pissing match needs to stop now. Please do so in a polite manner. And if someone is reselling another mans product give that man the credit. No one like shady sales.

Thank you for your compliance.

[BFKENNEL]

This one is for you ACE of BFK, I dont need FOUR fingers, I just need ONE,and thats my PINKY

watch video:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v468/millmaker/FOR%20YOU%20ACE/?action=view&current=FORUACE.flv
Well if thats the case you made the Best mill that i can find. You made a good job. Now I can say I will be the first one to sugest to my friends to get the mills from you since the Old Robet Lemm is gone.

GREAT JOB!!!!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

This one is for you ACE of BFK, I dont need FOUR fingers, I just need ONE,and thats my PINKY

watch video:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v468/millmaker/FOR%20YOU%20ACE/?action=view&current=FORUACE.flv
Take it easy RP! No need to spit venom just because someone makes valid points. He has not bashed you here or on other thread. Why do you get so angry man? ACE obviously motivated you to make a better presentation of your killermills. You have to learn that criticism is not bad. It makes us improve on those points.

The creation of your killer spinner mills are a direct result of criticism.

Also, I do not think that CA Jack has anything to do with your mills. Oh by the way, ACE did say good things about your person in a PM to me. He criticed your mill not YOU. Now guys, shake hands and rub each other's bellies.

[ChAnimal]

Take it easy RP! No need to spit venom just because someone makes valid points. He has not bashed you here or on other thread. Why do you get so angry man? ACE obviously motivated you to make a better presentation of your killermills. You have to learn that criticism is not bad. It makes us improve on those points.

The creation of your killer spinner mills are a direct result of criticism.

Also, I do not think that CA Jack has anything to do with your mills. Oh by the way, ACE did say good things about your person in a PM to me. He criticed your mill not YOU. Now guys, shake hands and rub each other's bellies.
I sent a vid of my mill doin 11 spins then 12 straight off the bat, and also a little demo on how easy the mill is to spin, just the facts.

P.S it was the first time even filming, first cut.

[DDK]

I sent a vid of my mill doin 11 spins then 12 straight off the bat, and also a little demo on how easy the mill is to spin, just the facts.

P.S it was the first time even filming, first cut.POST SOME PICS OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT

[CrazyK9]

Ok, this may sound really newb-ish, but why is it better to get more spins with less force? I would think the dog would get more of a workout the other way around... or is it all about endurance?

[14rock]

Endurance, slat mills are not for strength, and you need them free turning so the animal isnt working too hard and burning up his kidneys.

[Iverson's Pits]

i think theres far too much emphasis placed on number of revolutions, while there are so many variables to take into account in the first place. hell...there's nothing wrong with a mill that revolves 4 times.

[XxKonnectionsxX]

Everyone has good points..

IMO...I feel that the amount of evolutions the belt will turn does play a role in conditioning. Just think if you had a belt that turned faster, and was lighter, but still got the job done, then why not? The more it turns and the easier it turns, will help the dog(especially if warmed up properly), to OPEN UP WIDE UP. Less energy exerted as far as moving the belt. The feet would touch the belt and come up off quickly (if its a light belt that turns fastsest such as the one presented in this post). If the legs have to do LESS work to keep the mill going, then that equals what....more time spent conditioning the lungs other than conditioning the legs...Conditioning the lungs will condition the whole body....even if it is for a few seconds at a time. It might make or break a hunt....
Hmm..Just food for thought..

I do not own one of these mills, but from just looking seeing the demonstration, I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do. It would be nice to see a demonstration with an animal though....

[Saiyagin]

i think theres far too much emphasis placed on number of revolutions, while there are so many variables to take into account in the first place. hell...there's nothing wrong with a mill that revolves 4 times.
I have to agree with Iverson on this one. A mill that is too free turning will simulate unnatural running conditions meaning it will actually be easier for the dog to run the mill then running on actual ground doing road work thats why I say a mill shouldnt be too free spinning or too hard spinning but just right to simulate actual road work conditions.

[CrazyK9]

If the legs have to do LESS work to keep the mill going, then that equals what....more time spent conditioning the lungs other than conditioning the legs...Conditioning the lungs will condition the whole body....even if it is for a few seconds at a time. Very, very good explanation. Thank you!

[Saiyagin]

Very, very good explanation. Thank you!
See now from a ametures point of view that explanation might sound good but in reality a dogs legs usually give out before his lungs and if a dog cant stand he will lose.

[CrazyK9]

...but isn't that what hand-walking is for?

[Saiyagin]

...but isn't that what hand-walking is for?
NOPE, you got alot to learn about conditioning.

[getemcassius]

hand walking is an excellent conditioning tool ... you also need something that will get a dogs heart rate up to.... crazy k9 , if training a dog the legs or lungs give up , that means the dog was worked to hard

[CrazyK9]

I understand that part, cassius. ;) What I don't get is... what are the effects on a dog running on a slat mill vs. one being hand walked? What about the difference (in the effects on the dog) between a mill with high resistance vs. little to none? And what about carpet vs. slat? Inclined vs. not?


I am here to learn so I'd love to hear from you guys about it. :) I'm going to be conditioning dogs in about a year for a dogwoman so I'd like to fully understand what I'm going to be doing and why.

Sorry to hijack the thread, RP. :o

[XxKonnectionsxX]

See now from a ametures point of view that explanation might sound good but in reality a dogs legs usually give out before his lungs and if a dog cant stand he will lose.
Well I wouldn't say I'm an amatuer. lol.. But it does make sense to me. We're just talking of conditioning here. I feel that if you were concentrating on conditioning the lungs, then this type of mill would be appropriate. If you are conditioning for strength, then you know you will need to appropriate tools for that. Maybe someone should try it out and do a test to see what yields the best results.

You do have a valid point. But think of this. If you can condition his lungs to their maximum, then why not then work the legs as well to get them up to par. Put everything together...its like a package.. Everything is done in pieces. But hey, everyone has their own ideas about conditioning...Thats what makes this so much fun.

[Attila]

I understand that part, cassius. ;) What I don't get is... what are the effects on a dog running on a slat mill vs. one being hand walked? What about the difference (in the effects on the dog) between a mill with high resistance vs. little to none? And what about carpet vs. slat? Inclined vs. not?


I am here to learn so I'd love to hear from you guys about it. :) I'm going to be conditioning dogs in about a year for a dogwoman so I'd like to fully understand what I'm going to be doing and why.

Sorry to hijack the thread, RP. :o
Okay! how fast and how long can you hand walk a dog? can you get its heart rate up and condition it as you walk it? No!

Unless you are a marathon runner that dog can out run you any day up hill down hill and flat. You can't hand walk a dog long and far enough to do such. A conditioned dog can drag you over 15 miles before it is exhusted. And you would be dead tired at five. It can run longer and faster than any human. Resistance is for strength time is for endurance. Two total different aspects of conditioning. Both are important the same.

[CrazyK9]

Ok, so I did understand correctly ...I think.
Thanks Attila.

Saiygin, you said that a dog's legs usually give out before its lungs. Hand-walking builds strength in the legs... so what did I say wrong to get the answer no? Unless you misunderstood me or I'm still not getting it, lol. I'm not blonde but I swear I feel like I am sometimes, lmao.

Isn't it pretty much mill=endurance, hand-walk=strength? Thats what I was implying before.

[Saiyagin]

Ok, so I did understand correctly ...I think.
Thanks Attila.

Saiygin, you said that a dog's legs usually give out before its lungs. Hand-walking builds strength in the legs... so what did I say wrong to get the answer no? Unless you misunderstood me or I'm still not getting it, lol. I'm not blonde but I swear I feel like I am sometimes, lmao.

Isn't it pretty much mill=endurance, hand-walk=strength? Thats what I was implying before.
I will let you find the answers on your own the best way is from your own experiences with trial and error.....Heres a tip Every dog is different you have to find what you think works best for that particular dog.

[davidlau_2002]

Everyone has good points..

IMO...I feel that the amount of evolutions the belt will turn does play a role in conditioning. Just think if you had a belt that turned faster, and was lighter, but still got the job done, then why not? The more it turns and the easier it turns, will help the dog(especially if warmed up properly), to OPEN UP WIDE UP. Less energy exerted as far as moving the belt. The feet would touch the belt and come up off quickly (if its a light belt that turns fastsest such as the one presented in this post). If the legs have to do LESS work to keep the mill going, then that equals what....more time spent conditioning the lungs other than conditioning the legs...Conditioning the lungs will condition the whole body....even if it is for a few seconds at a time. It might make or break a hunt....
Hmm..Just food for thought..

I do not own one of these mills, but from just looking seeing the demonstration, I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do. It would be nice to see a demonstration with an animal though....in terms of human conditioning, an electric mill should only be used in supplement to roadwork and used incorrectly can give false ideas of conditioning ability. i am not experienced enough to comment for dogs but an electric mill that has too little resistance is worth nothing. when a tread mill is too fast and light, the runner basically can run faster and easier without working the lungs at a maximum potential and giving the body a natural resistance that s/he experiences during regular activity. that's like shadow boxing 12 rounds on a planet with less gravity or sprint exercises downhill. makes no effin' sense. worse off, the body will learn to stride higher and lighter, making the exerciser and mill look like it's going faster. your body subconciously learns how to work easier and more efficiently at any exercise. if the mill spins faster and easier, there is more footage of mill being moved between strides thus giving off the idea that the exerciser is running farther and faster when in fact s/he is moving the same speed as a slower mill. at least a tiny amount of resistance and upward slant should be used i think to maximize the workout and time spent for conditioning.

i do respect your craft millmakers but i don't know if relating the usefullness of the mill directly would relate to how many times it spins. regardless, craftsmanshipwise (i know that's not a real word) rpmills does look high quality.

one dogman told me to get off my ass and run the dog with a bike. only use a slat if it's effin' snowing outside. lates.