What do you guys...

[Tonka03]

and gals know and think about this boy and his bloodline? This is the sire of my brindle.

http://www.caragankennel.com/jd1.html

Thanks

Tonka

[Pipbull]

you didn't post anything?

Oh, and hey!

[brat pack]

I think he is a awesome dog. The size of him is perfect to me. Ms. Caragan knows her stuff. Her dogs are pure APBT. No staff crosses here. She has been breeding dogs for around 30 years. All show stock. She weight pulls too.
I am fixing to breed one of my females to him sometime after the first of the year. I have watched your puppy come up online since birth. Since that was his first breeding I was very interested to see the puppies. My females are red/rednose with very little white on them. I have waited a while before breeding. They are 3 years old. JD is a really good looking male in my opinion. I am sure I don't know as much about bloodlines as most people on this site. But I know what I like when I see it. Then I see if the performance aspect is there as well. Your litter was done AI and only produced 5 puppies. That would be fine with me as I probably won't sell any.

[MinorThreat]

He's a UKC CH, he's bred to UKC standards and looks UKC 100%

I like his markings

good luck with your pup

[bahamutt99]

I like JD, from what I've seen. I'm half the country away from Cheryl, so I've never had the op to meet him in person. I will admit having a fondness for white heads. Plus, it impressed me how he was able to be handled during the incident where he got his foot impaled on his kennel and had to hang there. (Ouch.) I know that ideally any APBT should be touchable when they're in pain, but many nowadays are not, and more and more people make excuses for that.

I'm eager to see what else Cheryl plans on doing with JD. He looks like a dog that could excel in just about anything.

[pennsooner]

Lots of Lar-San blood behind your dog. Lots of great sport dogs have some LarSan blood. Among the best "show,UKC " type blood.

Very nice.

[semo]

looks like a good SHOWDOG

[Miss Conduct]

You should have a nice little showdog on your hands! Very cute, good luck!

[Tonka03]

thanks everyone!!

tony

[CrazyK9]

He's a UKC CH, he's bred to UKC standards and looks UKC 100%
Ditto. So I would call that an AST not an APBT...

[MinorThreat]

my post wasnt meant to be degrading or slamming the dog.

[bahamutt99]

Why do people have to talk about "showdogs" and "AmStaffs" as if it were a slur? I hear enough crap from breed haters; its infuriating to have to deal with condescending and snide remarks from those who are supposed to be on the same side. All that does is alienate people who should be working together for common interests.

[CrazyK9]

Not trying to be rude... That dog is from show lines, and to me, that is an AmStaff. Not meant as a bad thing. Why do people ASSume that saying a dog is a showdog (which this dog obviously is) is an insult. I just think the only dog that is an APBT is one that is gamebred, a true bulldog.
I don't want to start a debate, believe it or not lol.

[LuvinBullies]

Not trying to be rude... That dog is from show lines, and to me, that is an AmStaff. Not meant as a bad thing. Why do people ASSume that saying a dog is a showdog (which this dog obviously is) is an insult. I just think the only dog that is an APBT is one that is gamebred, a true bulldog.
I don't want to start a debate, believe it or not lol.I see what you mean...but if you look through any old thread when someone states "looks like an amstaff to me..." there really is a condescending air about it. Sometimes there is certain emphasis on "SHOWDOG" as if to say "Don't go 'round thinkin you got an APBT or sumthin'..." I understand why the sentiment is there, certainly...but sometimes I wonder if new members who are an asset here may be unduly insulted before they are even welcomed. I completely understand why education is a must and owners of true APBTs are quick to make the distinction...this is just my 2 cents. Not out for debate, either...got my flame armor on...come n' get me...:D

[CrazyK9]

I agree with you. Anyhoo, I'm sorry if that came across as a slam. Not what I intended it to be at all. Its a nice lookin dog ....

[LuvinBullies]

I agree with you. Anyhoo, I'm sorry if that came across as a slam. Not what I intended it to be at all. Its a nice lookin dog ....No need for apology...just a general statement for anyone...:)

[purplepig]

Here's one:

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/5/6/4/3/July27031.jpg


Show dog or game dog? He's 100% game, and would excell in the show ring. Just cause the dog is, or has lineage to the show ring, dont mean it is a no go!! And just cause the dog wears a reg. papers of the UKC dont mean it's a no go either. Heck, the dog dont know what it's registered with. Just cause a dog is ADBA dont mean it's game either. A good dog is where you find it. And that IS the bottom line.

Nice dog, I know nothing of that line, but I hope it turns out better than you want it to.
Cheers.

[CrazyK9]

Show dog or game dog? He's 100% game, and would excell in the show ring. Just cause the dog is, or has lineage to the show ring, dont mean it is a no go!! And just cause the dog wears a reg. papers of the UKC dont mean it's a no go either. Heck, the dog dont know what it's registered with. Just cause a dog is ADBA dont mean it's game either. A good dog is where you find it. And that IS the bottom line.

Nice dog, I know nothing of that line, but I hope it turns out better than you want it to.
Cheers.
But thats my point. Your dog is gamebred so that makes it a true bulldog. A dog can do well in conformation and be an APBT but a dog bred for anything other than gameness is not an APBT, to me. Other than that, I agree with you though. Oy, I should have known this would end up as a debate, lol.

[purplepig]

But thats my point. Your dog is gamebred so that makes it a true bulldog. A dog can do well in conformation and be an APBT but a dog bred for anything other than gameness is not an APBT, to me. Other than that, I agree with you though. Oy, I should have known this would end up as a debate, lol.
Big question is, how do you know the dog in question is not gamebred? Maybe you know more about these folks than I. I have gotton dogs from people that didnt test their dogs, back in the day, and they turn out to be very game. So if they dont test them, that still dont mean they aint. right? I bought one that was DG from some folks who had not tested their dogs ever, and had bred for many years. They just knew what they were doing. Yea, it will always end up in debate. That's what my wife tells me anyhow!!

Cheers.

[CrazyK9]

Big question is, how do you know the dog in question is not gamebred? Maybe you know more about these folks than I. I have gotton dogs from people that didnt test their dogs, back in the day, and they turn out to be very game. So if they dont test them, that still dont mean they aint. right? I bought one that was DG from some folks who had not tested their dogs ever, and had bred for many years. They just knew what they were doing. Yea, it will always end up in debate. That's what my wife tells me anyhow!!

Cheers.
You're right, I don't know. I guess I'm the one ASSuming now. :o Im about 99% sure that this dog isn't gamebred, but I guess he could be. Generally game dogs can be show dogs but show dogs can not be game dogs.

[bahamutt99]

Sorry to have popped a vein earlier. Sometimes I guess that happens. :o You really have to admit, though, that there is usually a snide undercurrent to remarks that use those terms. Rather than saying "nice dog," folks go out of their way to say nice SHOWdog. Or nice PET. (I've gotten a little less sensitive about that one, since I treat my dogs as pets first and foremost, everything else being a secondary consideration.) As if there is this strenuous need to seperate the nice-looking dogs from the hard-working ones.

Perhaps a showdog cannot be a gamedog, but there are many things they can do. (Legal things. :D) I just hate the implication that because a dog has not been bred for gameness, its somehow less worthy.

Anyway, that's 2 vents for me in a night. I guess I'm done. LOL!

[dunlap]

I'm new on here and I'm curious to know ya'lls definition of "game bred/gameness"?

[diggit]

there is plenty of threads on that.... do a search :)

[dunlap]

there is plenty of threads on that.... do a search :)

I tried that but I cant figure out how to see more topics other than the top 5 LOL. But I'll check later, right now my girl Ladie is having pups so I'm having to keep an eye on her so I'll do it later. Her last one she had looks alot like your chocolate/brown and white one there.

[Tonka03]

well "game bred" or not he is a great dog. Show dog or not he is a great dog. One question if he is a "show" dog what makes him any less worthy or les of a APBT? He is a APBT!! If he has game then be it if doesn't then so be it. I would tend to say that most pure bred bulldogs have a streak in them. Now if it meets standards to what you are looking for it to do that maybe another question.


Thanks for the 1-2 compliments on him thow!!

Tony

[blackjackjr_9]

I see a very nice pitbull!

[PitBull_30]

You're right, I don't know. I guess I'm the one ASSuming now. :o Im about 99% sure that this dog isn't gamebred, but I guess he could be. Generally game dogs can be show dogs but show dogs can not be game dogs.

Lar-san blood goes back to pure OFRN Hemphill/Wilder after just a few generations. Game ones pop up but less than in a line bred for nothing but game. They are favorites in the UKC show ring, have tons of drive and a bit less dog aggression as long as it's not encouraged. They fit closely with the UKC standard and aren't overdone.

Here are some more pics of Lar-san dogs.

[Crimson Kennels]

Very nice dog. My male Coltrane has basically the same ped & he is awsome!! You should have a very nice show dog.

[MASON]

Nice looking boy you got there. I like most of the Caragan dogs, especially Xia of Lar-San aka (ADBA GdCH Klassic K9's Freebie) and Steel Magnolia. Good luck with him, should turn out to be a wonderful prospect!

[Tonka03]

thanks. I hope he turns out, well he will, great and be a good dog. I am wanting to put him into WP and do advanced OB with him. So he is a champ in the making and is a very samrt pup. So thanks for the compliments!!


this is the dam:http://www.geocities.com/frieflymenagerie/Dawn.html


Tony

[bahamutt99]

Have you started training him to stack and gait? He's at a good age to start learning those tricks. And don't forget about having strangers handle him so he gets used to the idea of standing there patiently while somebody's "groping" him. LOL. Good luck with him!

Loki learning to stack @ 6 months (still with lots of puppy fat on her!)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/bahamutt99/Loki_Jedi/loki_side1.jpg

[Tonka03]

Have you started training him to stack and gait? He's at a good age to start learning those tricks. And don't forget about having strangers handle him so he gets used to the idea of standing there patiently while somebody's "groping" him. LOL. Good luck with him!

Loki learning to stack @ 6 months (still with lots of puppy fat on her!)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/bahamutt99/Loki_Jedi/loki_side1.jpg


No I am not sure on stacking. I have asked for a lil help and he does ok the few imes I have tried, but hell I do not know what I am doing. So any help would be great.

[bahamutt99]

No I am not sure on stacking. I have asked for a lil help and he does ok the few imes I have tried, but hell I do not know what I am doing. So any help would be great.
Well, ya know, check out the APBT Encyclopedia (http://apbt.info/tiki-index.php?page=Dog+Show+Training) if you haven't already. I know Frog's breeder is far away from where you're at, but she'll be able to give you some tips, too.

Best advice I can give is to start slow and keep it positive. (Pretty generic advice for all training, I know.) Hold his collar gently but firmly while you place his feet, then praise. Doesn't even matter if your positioning is correct; at first you're just teaching the dog to stand patiently while you mess with their legs. Some use a piece of bait to hold in front of the dog's muzzle while they use their free hand to move the feet around. Grasp high up on the leg, rather than at the pastern or the hock. Practice for a few minutes, then play. You don't want it to get monotonous for the pup this early in the game.

As far as stacking correctly, that comes with practice. And you'll keep picking up more and more tricks as you go along.

[Tonka03]

Thankz Baha.



Tony