looking to buy a pup from this breeder

[NYapex]

monsterpitkennel.com

still a somewhat newb dont kill me on this post lol...i like this breeder because its what im looking for physically, i had no luck with amstaff and other pit breaders in NY and NJ (researched on websites and pics from them)and they say there dogs will be free of distemper at transfer (assuming that means good temperment)
what im looking for is a young pup red nose with great temperment considering i have a 3yo and will have a basset hound, and must have the bully looks short wide stocky huge head,

ps i will have a house backyard etc room to run will not be an apt dog, he will be our family dog

[BoiBoi]

oh man i think i just threw up in my mouth a little after seeing that site. Don't do it man ur just giving those type of breeders a reason to continue ruining this great breed of dog. If u are looking for an apbt go to the shelter, u'll do much better there. U sound like u want a dog that will get along with ur other dogs, well sorry to dissapoint u but a true apbt is not the dog ur looking for. If u buy one of those huge mutts ur going to regret it because of the amount of health problems that come's along with those things. I think ur best bet is the pound, because if u buy a dog from a reputable breeder who breeds his apbt's true to standard they most likely will never get a long with ur other dogs. Stick around and do a lot of research before u get one and i bet ur mind will change after u read plenty of post on this site.

[tommy3]

monsterpitkennel.com

still a somewhat newb dont kill me on this post lol...i like this breeder because its what im looking for physically, i had no luck with amstaff and other pit breaders in NY and NJ (researched on websites and pics from them)and they say there dogs will be free of distemper at transfer (assuming that means good temperment)
what im looking for is a young pup red nose with great temperment considering i have a 3yo and will have a basset hound, and must have the bully looks short wide stocky huge head,

ps i will have a house backyard etc room to run will not be an apt dog, he will be our family dog
Distemper is an illness that can easily kill puppies. You may want to make sure these dogs have health certificates such as OFA. These bully dogs that are bred for looks instead of working ability are more prone to serious health problems. If the breeder does not offer a health certificate of some sort, I would look elsewhere. A guarantee that the dog won't have distemper is nowhere near enough. Also, make sure that the dogs have their shots and have been checked by a vet.

Bully dogs are not American Pit Bull Terriers. They are terrible representations of the breed and I doubt that you will get much help concerning them from this board. Breeding dogs for looks such as, "short wide stocky huge head" goes against everything this breed stands for.

Also, just because it is a bully, it does not mean that the dog won't eventually grow to hate and want to kill your basset hound. They can have some level of dog aggression and you must be prepared for it.

[Miss Conduct]

Distemper is an illness that can easily kill puppies. You may want to make sure these dogs have health certificates such as OFA. These bully dogs that are bred for looks instead of working ability are more prone to serious health problems. If the breeder does not offer a health certificate of some sort, I would look elsewhere. A guarantee that the dog won't have distemper is nowhere near enough. Also, make sure that the dogs have their shots and have been checked by a vet.

Bully dogs are not American Pit Bull Terriers. They are terrible representations of the breed and I doubt that you will get much help concerning them from this board. Breeding dogs for looks such as, "short wide stocky huge head" goes against everything this breed stands for.

Also, just because it is a bully, it does not mean that the dog won't eventually grow to hate and want to kill your basset hound. They can have some level of dog aggression and you must be prepared for it.

Any kennel that has a different breed of dog on their t-shirts and what not, makes me a little leary LMFAO. Besides the fact that the dogs already look like pigs...

If you are wanting a bully, you went to the right website. If you are wanting an APBT, you are FAR FAR FAR from it.

Whatever you decide to do (as it doesn't matter what advice we give, if thats what you want, you will get it), RESEARCH (and NO looking at photos of dogs is NOT research) these dogs, and think about your situation, and if its really right. Also, if you do buy one of these monsters, make damn sure they are certified, and have shot records/health certificates. You will pay a damn arm and both your legs for one, so you better atleast get the "basics". Any "breeder" that charges $3000.00 for a dog, but doesnt offer that, is a back yard breeder that cares nothing but for his pocket book.

IMHO

[semo]

http://files.photojerk.com/blood/notagain.jpg

SIGH...............

[Pitbull219]

monsterpitkennel.com

still a somewhat newb dont kill me on this post lol...i like this breeder because its what im looking for physically, i had no luck with amstaff and other pit breaders in NY and NJ (researched on websites and pics from them)and they say there dogs will be free of distemper at transfer (assuming that means good temperment)
what im looking for is a young pup red nose with great temperment considering i have a 3yo and will have a basset hound, and must have the bully looks short wide stocky huge head,

ps i will have a house backyard etc room to run will not be an apt dog, he will be our family dogIf that's what you're into.....to each his own I guess. You do realize however those dogs are bred out of standard, and for color. Not at all what a true APBT is supposed to be. Distemper has nothing to do with temperament. Canine distemper is a disease that pups are vaccinated for. I myself would rather have a well-bred true APBT, as they are great with kids. Some of these dogs bred for size and color have other breeds mixed in with them, and even if they don't, they may be unstable since temperament is not one of the things they're being bred for. And not for nothing, but look at the image they're portraying on their site, half-naked women, guns and thugz. I wouldn't get anything from these people for a multitude of reasons. Why don't you stick around this site for a while and put off getting an APBT for a bit. Go thru this site with a fine tooth comb and read all the wonderful information on here. Learn all you can about these dogs, the true American Pit Bull Terrier, then get yourself a quality dog. I'd be happy to point you in the right direction as to where to get a good dog, but I don't feel you're ready just yet........you don't even know what distemper is. Do your homework, and I'd be glad to help you out.

[NYapex]

i understand what your saying about dog aggression and not having the true physical standards of a true pitbut i figured since the puppy will grow up with the other dog it wont be a problem, i might even get both dogs as puppies.

if this will help at all...what sex should i get if i do get 1.. female pit female basset?? and would u recomend getting both dogs as puppies?

ps there site states...all puppies are health certified vet checked updated on shots worming etc..

or would u recomend me getting an amstaff by a reputable breeder(show dog history)

[NCPatchwork]

IMO, you are just paying for their website. God, the graphics. But anyways, not the point. If you get one of these dogs, just remember, when someone asks what it is, its a mutt or an AMERICAN BULLY. There is NO APBT there.

[LuvinBullies]

monsterpitkennel.com

still a somewhat newb dont kill me on this post lol...i like this breeder because its what im looking for physically, i had no luck with amstaff and other pitbreaders in NY and NJ (researched on websites and pics from them)and they say there dogs will be free of distemper at transfer (assuming that means good temperment)
what im looking for is a young pup red nose with great temperment considering i have a 3yo and will have a basset hound, and must have the bully looks short wide stocky huge head,

ps i will have a house backyard etc room to run will not be an apt dog, he will be our family dogI sincerely hope you don't take anyone's posts the wrong way...there is great advice there.

Any dog derived from standard APBT (pound pup pit mix or bully) may have a level of dog aggression, so if you get your basset be sure to get good advice on training the two together- and be prepared to keep them separated for their entire lives if necessary. Dogs that get along at 1 year of age may be arch enemies at 2 1/2.

My advice... take er easy, stick around here- put the notion of getting any dogs on hold for now and just learn. In a few months you may decide to join a bully forum and pursue that kind of dog, or you may decide to start preparations for bringing a standard APBT into your life. Or you may decide to get a hound dog...who knows. Just stick around for awhile and take in information and read old threads, too as well as new ones...lots and lots of info here.

Welcome, by the way!

[Pitbull219]

i understand what your saying about dog aggression and not having the true physical standards of a true pitbut i figured since the puppy will grow up with the other dog it wont be a problem, i might even get both dogs as puppies.

if this will help at all...what sex should i get if i do get 1.. female pit female basset?? and would u recomend getting both dogs as puppies?

ps there site states...all puppies are health certified vet checked updated on shots worming etc..

or would u recomend me getting an amstaff by a reputable breeder(show dog history)whether you get one of these "bullies" an AmStaff or an APBT, there's a good chance there will be dog aggression. That's not a big deal if you know this beforehand and take the neccessary precautions. Your dogs may never be able to play together, that is to be expected. I have 4, all female........they get along for the most part, but there have been fights I've had to break up. They are never together unsupervised. Like I said before, do your homework, take the time to learn all you can.......then learn some more! These dogs are not for everyone, there's alot of responsibility that goes along with owning one of these. I would just like to see you not get anything from this kennel or kennels that deal in these type of dog, they're really much more concerned with lining their pockets than breeding quality dogs.

[NYapex]

If that's what you're into.....to each his own I guess. You do realize however those dogs are bred out of standard, and for color. Not at all what a true APBT is supposed to be. Distemper has nothing to do with temperament. Canine distemper is a disease that pups are vaccinated for. I myself would rather have a well-bred true APBT, as they are great with kids. Some of these dogs bred for size and color have other breeds mixed in with them, and even if they don't, they may be unstable since temperament is not one of the things they're being bred for. And not for nothing, but look at the image they're portraying on their site, half-naked women, guns and thugz. I wouldn't get anything from these people for a multitude of reasons. Why don't you stick around this site for a while and put off getting an APBT for a bit. Go thru this site with a fine tooth comb and read all the wonderful information on here. Learn all you can about these dogs, the true American Pit Bull Terrier, then get yourself a quality dog. I'd be happy to point you in the right direction as to where to get a good dog, but I don't feel you're ready just yet........you don't even know what distemper is. Do your homework, and I'd be glad to help you out. i guess i have alot more research and self education then i thought.. thats why i came to this site, i am a formal pit bull owner RIP and grew up with a rottie so bully breads arent that new to have in the house (should have mentioned that in the post if it helps any) and would love to hear your recomendations to breeders, ps i live in NY

[LuvinBullies]

if this will help at all...what sex should i get if i do get 1.. female pit female basset?? and would u recomend getting both dogs as puppies?

Oh dear God, no. Female / female fights can be the absolute worst. speuter judiciously, and alternate sexes, IMO

[NYapex]

i think people that bred bully might be out of the question after reading what i read, if there wasnt another dog in the house id probably get a bully but not likely with the wifey and her luv of basset hounds, last thing i want is a mauled basset in front of my daughter, thank you for all the advise, ...would u recomend an amstaff or a pit in my situtation? and what sex combo should i have with the basset and pit (or amstaff) that will be better to get along with? oh and thanx agion for all your quick replies

[SAM_I_AM]

i understand what your saying about dog aggression and not having the true physical standards of a true pitbut i figured since the puppy will grow up with the other dog it wont be a problem, i might even get both dogs as puppies.

if this will help at all...what sex should i get if i do get 1.. female pit female basset?? and would u recomend getting both dogs as puppies?

ps there site states...all puppies are health certified vet checked updated on shots worming etc..

or would u recomend me getting an amstaff by a reputable breeder(show dog history)OK like everyone said please read up on this site.

Do you know what a TRUE physical and tempermental standards of the Pitbull are? (if you did, you would want one true to form)

No matter if you get them both as puppies there are no gaurantees regardless if its a bully, APBT, or AmStaff.

2 females is not a good recomendation. I would go with a male and female, but you still have no gaurantees.

Dont get scared away some people on here can be harsh at times but it just because they love the breed and protect it. Stick around there is very much to learn here.

[Pitbull219]

i think people that bred bully might be out of the question after reading what i read, if there wasnt another dog in the house id probably get a bully but not likely with the wifey and her luv of basset hounds, last thing i want is a mauled basset in front of my daughter, thank you for all the advise, ...would u recomend an amstaff or a pit in my situtation? and what sex combo should i have with the basset and pit (or amstaff) that will be better to get along with? oh and thanx agion for all your quick repliesBullies are actually probably least likey to be dog agressive, but I would steer clear of them because of their propensity to be human aggressive. I'd rather take the chance of a Bassett Hound getting mauled in front of my daughter than have my daughter be the one getting mauled!!! No matter what you decide, you need to realize these dogs were originally bred to fight, and as such many cannot get along with other dogs.....just a fact of life. Proper training can curb dog aggression in some of them, but you'll never get rid of it completely. I'd say for now just get the Bassett, and wait until you've done extensive research on APBT's before you get one.

[NCPatchwork]

If you do get that combo of dogs, and it is possible, just listen to what everyone is saying. Alternate sexes work the best, Spay and NEUTER! Training will help. Keep seperated while you are gone and/or cannot watch them. Pay attention to body language. Buy books on both breeds and keep your self up on current information. Check the laws in your city, county, and state about dogs. And don't forget. Love them!

[ABK]

NY:

Let me address a few things here.

#1: If that is what you like physically, get an Olde English Bulldog, Johnson type American Bulldog or Victorian Bulldog. Pit bulls are not supposed to be short or stocky. They are athletes & should look like athletes.

#2: Distemper is a disease. It does not mean your pup will have a good temperament. XXL dogs are bred first & foremost for looks, not temprament. If you will notice, none of the dogs on that site have passed ANY temperament tests whatsoever. NONE. No OTCH or TT. Not even a CGC.

Furthermore, since bully "pit bulls" are bred out of standard, they are much more likely to have health problems. For example, did you know that a dog 100lbs is three times more likely to have hip dysplasia than a 50lb dog? Why do you think OFA testing is so important to breeders of big dogs like Danes, Shepherds, Dobermans, etc? Despite this fact it seems that Monster Pits has done no health testing whatsoever.

Some defects found in these XXL dogs are as follows:

Auto immune disorders (to include allergies & mange)
Cancer
Chondrodyplasia
Elbow dysplasia
Elongated soft palate
Heart abnormalities
Hip dysplasia
Luxating patella
Malformed teeth

And these are just a few of the disorders found in XXL dogs - NONE of which Monster Pits has tested for.

#3: Are you aware that most of these XXL dogs are not purebred pit bulls? The overwhelming majority are mixed w/ French Mastiff, Neapolitan Mastiff or Presa Canario.

In fact, those who know what their dogs are are even trying to break away from the pit bull. They have created their own name for their dogs (the American Bully) as well as their own kennel club (The American Bully Kennel Club).

But even after knowing that these dogs are likely to be questionable in temperament, questionable in health & questionable in purity you still want a bully dog I would urge you to check out Pit Bull Rescue Central (PBRC). There are pit bulls & pit mixes of all ages needing forever homes, to include bully types.

Plus, there you may be able to get a older puppy or young adult who HAS been temperament tested & will be most suitable to get along w/ your other pets. Below is a link to the pic of a beautiful blue bully named Tanya. She is housetrained, micro chipped, spayed, good w/ kids & good w/ other dogs. But despite this she in a shelter right now waiting for a forever home.

http://pbrc.net/webapp/pics/fullsize/1536_5722.jpg?38430


But whatever you do, I would not buy from Monster Pits or any breeder like them.

Good luck!

[miakoda]

ABK brought up an excellent idea & one that I also promote to people who want a short, stock dog with a big head....get an Olde English Bulldogge.

We've owned 2 in the past & have just 1 right now. They are wonderful dogs & all bulldog. They are stubborn, hardheaded & not too bright, but they are loving, loyal, people friendly (although a little bit more protective than a true to standard APBT), & most of all are big oversized clowns. They are also strong & many are quite athletic for their size & structure. All of ours have been easy to train & LOVE playtime (& feeding time :p ).

HOWEVER, ANY breed/type of bulldog has an innate trait of dog aggression. Some have very low levels (some don't act on it at all) & some have very high levels. All of our OEBs had a high prey drive & anything smaller than 25lbs was fair game in their book. And the one we have now is very DA to male dogs unless they are very submissive. And don't think for one second that any kind of bulldog won't start a scrap....or try to finish it for that matter.

Here's Chipper (our OEB we have now):
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/6/2/1/PIC00001_471837.jpg
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/6/2/1/chipper.jpg
Here's a pic of him sitting next to our former English Bulldog (to give you a comparison):
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Miakoda15/chippereddie.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Miakoda15/chipper4.jpg

[ABK]

I have seen several OEBs at shows. They were very nice bulldogs who would fit the bill for anyone looking for a SNS (short-n-stocky)

Here is a pic of an OEB who I think is a real looker. His name is Beast & he is 8 mos old in this pic. He comes from Warrior Bulldogs:

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VQDfAhgaWFfhiijXUIYp9LvkZ!vkXHU2a2FykCSJEwRawS9oB IVZZg5fQJjgH5rayAsW6G4QMSJRYGCUPzcCi!hsSMt3l1g1xAQ ZxdtfAAcYgU7roQiSksLD89t30oTA/HPIM0710.JPG?dc=4675490928486644929

[RED GATOR]

I think you should check with your local shelter. There are a lot of good dogs out there locked up on death row. Help the breed out by adopting and not supporting the back yard breeders. an adopted dog will already have its shot's,be fixed, and microchiped. Here in Clark county 200+ pit bulls get euthanized each month because of irresponsible owners and breeders. Save a good dogs life.

Also pit bulls do not mature until between 2 and 3 years old. So even if they grow up together it could turn into a fight at one point.

[pennsooner]

i understand what your saying about dog aggression and not having the true physical standards of a true pitbut i figured since the puppy will grow up with the other dog it wont be a problem, i might even get both dogs as puppies.

if this will help at all...what sex should i get if i do get 1.. female pit female basset?? and would u recomend getting both dogs as puppies?

ps there site states...all puppies are health certified vet checked updated on shots worming etc..

or would u recomend me getting an amstaff by a reputable breeder(show dog history)






You'd be much better off getting an AmStaff from a reputable breeder.

[davidlau_2002]

i think people that bred bully might be out of the question after reading what i read, if there wasnt another dog in the house id probably get a bully but not likely with the wifey and her luv of basset hounds, last thing i want is a mauled basset in front of my daughter, thank you for all the advise, ...would u recomend an amstaff or a pit in my situtation? and what sex combo should i have with the basset and pit (or amstaff) that will be better to get along with? oh and thanx agion for all your quick repliesright on for holding your composure and absorbing some real good knowledge. you are already not going to make the mistakes i made getting into this breed with your early research and being open for positive criticism. good luck and KEEP RESEARCHING! peace and hairgrease.

[Patch O' Pits]

i understand what your saying about dog aggression and not having the true physical standards of a true pitbut i figured since the puppy will grow up with the other dog it wont be a problem, i might even get both dogs as puppies.

if this will help at all...what sex should i get if i do get 1.. female pit female basset?? and would u recomend getting both dogs as puppies?

ps there site states...all puppies are health certified vet checked updated on shots worming etc..

or would u recomend me getting an amstaff by a reputable breeder(show dog history)
This is no disrespect to you at all, but meant to help you to make an informed choice and give you fod for thought

Getting multi pups is hard for experienced people let alone a newbie. It is twice the training , twice the bills, twice the play time and no just because they are raised together doesn't mean they will necessarily get along as adults.

If you are getting an APBT or AMstaff and have never owned one before you especially should NOT be thinking about getting more than one dog. or you may want to rescue a dog that is older and already known not to be dog aggressive to make sure you are able to handle her.

If you go through a breeder, make sure you find one who will help you out ith training and pretty much mentor you on the breed. Honestly though with what you are posting you are looking to do even though the dog will be a loved family dog many breeders would not place one with you unless you are willing to get one dog and learn before making any other decisions

Getting 2 of the same sex also is not the best choice. Not saying that a male and female will get along, but you have a better chance with a spay/neuter opposite sex pair IMO if you are still going to do it even against all the advice posted

There is some really great info on the breed standards and temperament along with other info on the breed on this site, It is a good place to start your research:
http://www.apbtconformation.com/

You should also look into the OFA website and Penn Hip site as well. There you can learn about genetic dsorders and health testing. Regular vet checks are not health tests

Many of the things listed below can be found in any dog breed this is why it is important to go to a reputible breeder and not a BYB or puppy mill. FYI elbow displasia and other conditions you listed are also very common with small dogs. That being said people who breed for size in APBTs seems never to do health tests, temperament tests or get any titles. So I see the point you were trying to make

O.T. Sorry pet peeve.
Cancer is a disease not a defect. Cancer is one of the #1 killers of dogs in general which I didn't find out until I lost my 48lb girl to cancer.
Cancer is not something you can genetically test in dogs and is also caused by things like vaccines, pollution, toxins etc. With many cancers they have no idea what causes

Some defects found in these XXL dogs are as follows:

Auto immune disorders (to include allergies & mange)
Cancer
Chondrodyplasia
Elbow dysplasia
Elongated soft palate
Heart abnormalities
Hip dysplasia
Luxating patella
Malformed teeth

[davidlau_2002]

This is no disrespect to you at all, but meant to help you to make an informed choice and give you fod for thought

Getting multi pups is hard for experienced people let alone a newbie. It is twice the training , twice the bills, twice the play time and no just because they are raised together doesn't mean they will necessarily get along as adults.

If you are getting an APBT or AMstaff and have never owned one before you especially should NOT be thinking about getting more than one dog. or you may want to rescue a dog that is older and already known not to be dog aggressive to make sure you are able to handle her.

If you go through a breeder, make sure you find one who will help you out ith training and pretty much mentor you on the breed. Honestly though with what you are posting you are looking to do even though the dog will be a loved family dog many breeders would not place one with you unless you are willing to get one dog and learn before making any other decisions

Getting 2 of the same sex also is not the best choice. Not saying that a male and female will get along, but you have a better chance with a spay/neuter opposite sex pair IMO if you are still going to do it even against all the advice posted

There is some really great info on the breed standards and temperament along with other info on the breed on this site, It is a good place to start your research:
http://www.apbtconformation.com/

You should also look into the OFA website and Penn Hip site as well. There you can learn about genetic dsorders and health testing. Regular vet checks are not health tests

Many of the things listed below can be found in any dog breed this is why it is important to go to a reputible breeder and not a BYB or puppy mill. FYI elbow displasia and other conditions you listed are also very common with small dogs. That being said people who breed for size in APBTs seems never to do health tests, temperament tests or get any titles. So I see the point you were trying to make

O.T. Sorry pet peeve.
Cancer is a disease not a defect. Cancer is one of the #1 killers of dogs in general which I didn't find out until I lost my 48lb girl to cancer.
Cancer is not something you can genetically test in dogs and is also caused by things like vaccines, pollution, toxins etc. With many cancers they have no idea what causesjust to note...... i know 5 people owning blue mutts. 4 died of cancer before the age of 6. they were good petbull owners too. don't set yourself up for hurt just for the looks. form follows function. im a hard convert but i've seen many make that mistake. good luck.

[ABK]

I agree. I lost one of my blue girls to cancer at the age of 4.5 & her mother also to cancer at age 6. And I am not the only one - many, many others who have bluffs have lost dogs to cancer at unsually early ages.

So while cancer is technically a disease, I consider it a defect b/c:

a. it can be is genetic in nature

b. it is found in a lot of blue & blue bred dogs.

Hope this helps!

[NYapex]

i think im gonna decide on an amstaff form x-pertise kennel (well known)

[Attila]

Bottom line, how much are you willing to pay for a mutt? There can be no garantee's on their temperment as they have not reached a standard as of yet to save their lives. If you really want blue that bad go with a Shar-Pei or Neopolitan Mastiff. If you want a pot belly pig then get one of those. At least you can toss it on the grill when it gets out of hand. Not trying to hurt your feelings but those dogs just are not worth more than $1 and not one penny more. They are as worthless as titts on a boar hog. You would be better off with the Staffordshire if you after a non game dog but like a similar look. As fare as dogs getting along together different breeds have different temperments.

[14rock]

Never heard of them, are they descendants of the "X-pert" line of Amstaffs?

[Attila]

i think im gonna decide on an amstaff form x-pertise kennel (well known)That is probably your best choice. The original owners have passed on but the lady that has it now has stayed true to them. that is if it is x-pert. No ise on the end of it. If it has ise on the end then that would be a copy cat and a foney.

[NYapex]

Never heard of them, are they descendants of the "X-pert" line of Amstaffs?yes they are

[Patch O' Pits]

So while cancer is technically a disease, I consider it a defect b/c: You are entitled to your oppinion

a. it can be is genetic in nature Yes and I never said it couldn't be but that is one aspect of it not in all cases. Also what I said was there is no genetic test as I was telling the person about OFA testing

b. it is found in a lot of blue & blue bred dogs. well I'm sorry for them and their owners as it is an awful disease in both humans and canines... but that doesn't mean all dogs of that color get it.From being in a cancer group I met many cancer APBTs and I have to say they were mostly red, brindle and red fawn & not blue. Thus, You really can't make generalizations about color IMO with out research of more than a couple of dogs. Just making a point. I researched a ton on this topic

It is found in all colors of dog including in APBTs. I think too many blame things on color JMO on it.

There is even a study they started on APBTs with different kinds of cancer.

Again it is in all breeds and all colors. Are dogs that are bred carappy more sespetible.... most likely yes IMO. But to say one color has it more is not true.

That would be like me saying I know several dogs with HD who are red fawn (which I do) so HD it is more common with red fawn which is not true... understand my point

I am not by any means defending BIG BULLY breeders or those who breed for color as I'm against both things...In my post I try to get the person to go look at the standard and give them info.

I'm not hear to argue but to help :) Hope my post sheds some light on the topic at hand.


Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[NYapex]

whats everybodies opinion about circlekpits.net i talked to the breeder seems very nice and genuine and they breed for companionship conformation and temperment

[Patch O' Pits]

Suggestion
maybe this will be more helpful to you; make a list like this to ask breeders when you look at their dogs. Think of other questions I didn't list that pertain to your particular needs as well. Also be prepared for the breeder to ask you lots of things back. If they are not willing to answer your questions, can't or give you a line of BS you'll know to look elsewhere

First off Why are they breeding?? meaning for show, working, temperament, the total package, themselves, to better the breed etc??? answers like size, and color are MAJOR red flags

Do they breed and offer pups for public sale? not all breeders offer pups to the public

Do the parents have health testing? If so what type? If not ... why not?

What bloodlines do they deal with and why?

Are their dogs titled in performance events or showing??

How long have they been involved with the breed?

Are the pups sold under contract?

Do they socialize their pups?

Do they worm and give at least the first set of shots?

When do they require picks be made?

Here is a link also to help you recognize a responsible breeder:
http://www.apbt.info/tiki-index.php?page=Reputable+Breeders



Other things you could do

Go to shows and events and look at the dogs and talk to different owners and breeders and ask lots of questions to learn more aout the breed and what you like. There are shows abd events in both NJ and NY and surrounding states.

Visit litters you are interested in and get a feel for the breed more and what to look at



When looking at pups they should be

bright alert and friendly towards you and outgoing

Eye and ear discharge is a sign of an unhealthy pup

Fearful and shy pups are not good representatives of the breed

here is a link also to help you:
http://www.apbt.info/tiki-index.php?page=How+to+Pick+a+Puppy
and also:
http://www.apbt.info/tiki-index.php?page=Selecting+an+APBT

[davidlau_2002]

i like the www.gladiatorkennels.com (http://www.gladiatorkennels.com) amstaffs. they are beautiful and have pretty good drive and are not gamebred. pip and crockett are my favorite males and check out their agility. don't know about the price though. this guy dna, hip and elbow certifies the mating. he does care about his dogs.

[~apbtfriend~]

i like the www.gladiatorkennels.com (http://www.gladiatorkennels.com/) amstaffs. they are beautiful and have pretty good drive and are not gamebred. pip and crockett are my favorite males and check out their agility. don't know about the price though. this guy dna, hip and elbow certifies the mating. he does care about his dogs.
those are not amstaffs

[~apbtfriend~]

i think im gonna decide on an amstaff form x-pertise kennel (well known)
go here most amstaff breeders from all over have their webpages listed here

[Verderben]

lol Did anyone else notice that thier logo on thier site and on those clothes they sell is a pic of an ENGLISH BULLDOG???

[NYapex]

whats everybodies opinion about circlekpits.net i talked to the breeder seems very nice and genuine and they breed for companionship conformation and tempermentbump .....anyone?

[ABK]

Again it is in all breeds and all colors. Are dogs that are bred carappy more sespetible.... most likely yes IMO. But to say one color has it more is not true.
I agree. Cancer is not a defect/disease that is associated w/ color. Heck in my case one of my girls was blue & the other was red. But unfortunately, most blues are poorly bred & therefore DO have IMO more incidence of cancer, among other things. :(

[~apbtfriend~]

bump .....anyone?
do they health test or do any activities with their dogs ?

[ABK]

NY - have you looked ar RoKi Reds or York Knls yet? If not, here are some links for you to check out. I think they will probably have what you want.

http://www.rokireds.com/

http://www.yorkkennels.com/

[NYapex]

do they health test or do any activities with their dogs ?yes but i wanted to know if anyone heard of him or recieved a dog from him etc..

[Twitty]

Take Your Time! Do Your Research! Look Outside Of The Box!

[Patch O' Pits]

I honestly think you are rushing into getting a pup. Take your time and research as others have said

I agree. Cancer is not a defect/disease that is associated w/ color. Heck in my case one of my girls was blue & the other was red. But unfortunately, most blues are poorly bred & therefore DO have IMO more incidence of cancer, among other things. :( I cn agree that the ones being bred by BYBs of every color have a bad chance in life of having crappy immune systems. Unfortunately when these BYBsare breeding for color that is linked to recessive genes repeatedly without crossing out or at least putting in new pigment other recessive genes and crapola can pop up more frequently.

Unfortunately most BYBs dogs a[of all colors don't have that great of a chance. It is so sad. I'm so sorry about your dogs. Cancer is Horrible.

I think we are pretty much on the same page about this LOL

I don't know how this turned into a Blue debate the OP wanted a bully red dog not blue any way. LOL I think everyone overlooked that . I am seeing more and more HUGE and also short and wide red red noses as well. has anyone else noticed that sad downward spiral?

Watching what some are doing to the breed is making me sad :(

If people want short and squatty they should get an EBD
big they need an AB or Mastiff. Why screw around with the way an APBT is supposed to look???? I can't understand that

[~apbtfriend~]

yes but i wanted to know if anyone heard of him or recieved a dog from him etc..

you really need to decide if you want an amstaff or an apbt.

I can give you a list of well note amstaff breeders and this also goes for UKC apbt breeders if you want an ADBA apbt keep doing reserch on this forum . There are many people on here that will help you out and that link I was trying to post is this http://amstaffnetwork0.tripod.com/

[bahamutt99]

this guy dna, hip and elbow certifies the mating. he does care about his dogs.
I'm not trying to be an ass, but 3 out of the 17 dogs listed appear to have health testing. That's not a good ratio. Seems more like an afterthought.