GAME Test

[Fedor23]

How do you game test your dogs nowadays?

[BoiBoi]

.......U don't lol

comeon man go read the rules

[Pitbull219]

http://www.thepitbullplace.com/index/images/smiles/stupidpeople.gifWhat is goin on today?? Full moon or something?

[LegendsMami]

http://www.thepitbullplace.com/index/images/smiles/stupidpeople.gifWhat is goin on today?? Full moon or something?
LMFAO!!! This is the second strange thread I've seen today.

[Saiyagin]

How do you game test your dogs nowadays?
What you do is you challenge him in a game of checkers and if he can beat you 8 out of 10 times with out quitting hes game lol lol......hahahahahahaahaha

[Pitbull219]

What you do is you challenge him in a game of checkers and if he can beat you 8 out of 10 times with out quitting hes game lol lol......hahahahahahaahahalol, yes that would be one "game" dog that could do that......but what would that make you losing checkers to your dog??

[MR BIGGS]

play tug-o-war with him and if he dislocates your shoulder then my friend u have a bad ass dog

[miakoda]

I think I understand what the op was trying to get at.

We cannot test our dogs for gameness legally anymore in the US (& many other places, however there are some countries where the matching of dogs is still legal).

However since that option is not available, there are different ways of testing other traits such as agility, courage, stamina, etc. People do activities such as hog hunting, weight pulling, & enter them into competitions like the Bully Olympics or the Iron Dog where contests include a conformation show, weight pulls, treadmill races, hangtime events & some others. Many people have gone down these routes in an effort to preserve their dogs to the best of their legal abilities.

Does this help?

[Saiyagin]

lol, yes that would be one "game" dog that could do that......but what would that make you losing checkers to your dog??
EXACTLY LOL HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[Pitbull219]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to miakoda again.

Very informative answer Mia, guess I was just being a dick, lol
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[shadyridgekennel]

and to see if your dog is dead game. ya have to take a mouse and the dog to play a Game of dog and mouse and when the mouse get eaten its considered dead game

[Pitbull219]

and to see if your dog is dead game. ya have to take a mouse and the dog to play a came of dog and mouse and when the mouse get eaten its considered dead gamemmmmmmm, dead game.....venison, turkey, goose, quail......now I'm gettin hungry

[TripleJ]

How do you game test your dogs nowadays? You teach them to play checkers.

[shadyridgekennel]

lmfao :p :p that do sound good dont it

[BoiBoi]

Shoot im going to test some game with my bow tomorrow...MMMMM good

[Fedor23]

I think I understand what the op was trying to get at.

We cannot test our dogs for gameness legally anymore in the US (& many other places, however there are some countries where the matching of dogs is still legal).

However since that option is not available, there are different ways of testing other traits such as agility, courage, stamina, etc. People do activities such as hog hunting, weight pulling, & enter them into competitions like the Bully Olympics or the Iron Dog where contests include a conformation show, weight pulls, treadmill races, hangtime events & some others. Many people have gone down these routes in an effort to preserve their dogs to the best of their legal abilities.

Does this help? This is a good, answer. I know that some things are illegal, but how can someone say their dog is game, just because their are Champions and grand champions in the pedigree, doesn't garauntee a game dog.

[TripleJ]

Shoot im going to test some game with my bow tomorrow...MMMMM good I get to use my 308 can't wait I got a date at 7am with a nice one Ive been seeing down the road. Good luck to ya them moutain Deer I love them... J

[BoiBoi]

I get to use my 308 can't wait I got a date at 7am with a nice one Ive been seeing down the road. Good luck to ya them moutain Deer I love them... J
oh i got another 2 weeks till i can use my trusty 270 on deer and only a week till i can use it on a big ole PA black bear. Gonna try to wack something tomorrow though don't really care what it is at this point, shoot i might just shoot a squirrel with my bow if i get bored lol, good luck to u 2

[davidlau_2002]

I get to use my 308 can't wait I got a date at 7am with a nice one Ive been seeing down the road. Good luck to ya them moutain Deer I love them... Jwhatcha got tripleJ? m1a? i just got my socomII m1a. i'm broke for this whole year.

[purplepig]

oh i got another 2 weeks till i can use my trusty 270 on deer and only a week till i can use it on a big ole PA black bear. Gonna try to wack something tomorrow though don't really care what it is at this point, shoot i might just shoot a squirrel with my bow if i get bored lol, good luck to u 2
I'd love to get in on some of that bear!! Here big game is deer, and allegator, if that counts, does to me!!LOL

[TripleJ]

whatcha got tripleJ? m1a? i just got my socomII m1a. i'm broke for this whole year. Man I run A gun shop what ya want LOL but I use a custom Rem 700

[purplepig]

As for me, I do believe that you can take a hog pen, a wild hog and a bulldog(better put the vest on) and test the gameness of the dog. You cannot test the match quallity, but gameness, yes. As it will not be long before(an unseasoned dog) he/she is put behind, then you will see whether or not the dog will try and go over the wall.

I know many people do not agree with me, and that is fine. Many folks have never seen what kind of fight a hog can give a dog. Now, once the dog learns how to handle the hog, it is a different story, and some are talented enough/gentically gifted enough to get it right off the bat. Know this, if you do not use the vest, you may very well find out whether or not the dog is dead game!!

As to the weapons, this past summer I sold a "XM16" weapon. made by Frankfort Arsenal. SN 00095. Searched everywhere and could not find much info on this weapon, only found that the X in the XM stoof for experimental model. It was the second one though, as it had a forward assist, and you could tell by the bolt that it was full at one time.

How much them bushmasters goin for?

[pancho]

As for me, I do believe that you can take a hog pen, a wild hog and a bulldog(better put the vest on) and test the gameness of the dog. You cannot test the match quallity, but gameness, yes. As it will not be long before(an unseasoned dog) he/she is put behind, then you will see whether or not the dog will try and go over the wall.

I know many people do not agree with me, and that is fine. Many folks have never seen what kind of fight a hog can give a dog. Now, once the dog learns how to handle the hog, it is a different story, and some are talented enough/gentically gifted enough to get it right off the bat. Know this, if you do not use the vest, you may very well find out whether or not the dog is dead game!!

As to the weapons, this past summer I sold a "XM16" weapon. made by Frankfort Arsenal. SN 00095. Searched everywhere and could not find much info on this weapon, only found that the X in the XM stoof for experimental model. It was the second one though, as it had a forward assist, and you could tell by the bolt that it was full at one time.

How much them bushmasters goin for?
How do you explain the amstaffs, ambulls, and mixed breed dogs? Many will catch just as good as any pit bull. Even some of the blue dogs will catch. Watchdog kennels used to have some very good catch dogs.

[purplepig]

How do you explain the amstaffs, ambulls, and mixed breed dogs? Many will catch just as good as any pit bull. Even some of the blue dogs will catch. Watchdog kennels used to have some very good catch dogs.
It's not about the catch, it's about the dog getting put behind and seeing if it quits, or thinks it is still ahead, even though behind. If the dog does a good catch, then there is no testing of game. So it is better for the test if the dogs is a novice, because once experienced and can handle the hog, no more testing can happen, IMO. Understand?

[MR BIGGS]

I don't hunt and I have nothing against it but I do know that whatever is in play is considered "game" so it just depends on who you're talking to because any dog that catches the game cane be a game dog so some people look at the technical side, but we here are talking about match dogs so in this case it could be on both sides of the fence depending on who you're asking and most dogs that are used are not catch dogs but more like retrievers or spotters(locators).

BTW: I watch hunting shows and animal planet alot so this is all based on what i've gotten from television but in my own words.
How do you explain the amstaffs, ambulls, and mixed breed dogs? Many will catch just as good as any pit bull. Even some of the blue dogs will catch. Watchdog kennels used to have some very good catch dogs.

[purplepig]

and most dogs that are used are not catch dogs but more like retrievers or spotters(locators).

BTW: I watch hunting shows and animal planet alot so this is all based on what i've gotten from television but in my own words.
Well Mr. Biggs, that's not how it is here. We use Catahoula's for Bay dogs. Which is what I would call the "spotters". The Cats bay the hog, or get the hog hemmed up, then the "Catch" dog is loosed to get a hold of the hog, so that the people can come in and either shoot/knife/live catch the hog. A bulldog is usually used as the catch dog, and thus, having a hog in a pen to "train" the dog is legal. I was speaking of getting a wild catch and "training" the dog with the fresh catch, not a lazy pen hog, a wild one!

[MR BIGGS]

I know what you were saying but I was stating what I had seen and IMO, a dog could be considered game is if hunts wild game, but that would be technically speaking and I can be a very technical guy. On the other end of the spectrum you got those dogs that are used for other aspects of hunting wild game which would be the retrievers, spotters and the bay dogs which I left out.

Here at game-dog.com when someone ask how test a dog for gameness, they know exactly how to test and are just BS-ing around. There's only way to game test an APBT and we all damn sure know it.

Well Mr. Biggs, that's not how it is here. We use Catahoula's for Bay dogs. Which is what I would call the "spotters". The Cats bay the hog, or get the hog hemmed up, then the "Catch" dog is loosed to get a hold of the hog, so that the people can come in and either shoot/knife/live catch the hog. A bulldog is usually used as the catch dog, and thus, having a hog in a pen to "train" the dog is legal. I was speaking of getting a wild catch and "training" the dog with the fresh catch, not a lazy pen hog, a wild one!

[Fedor23]

I know what you were saying but I was stating what I had seen and IMO, a dog could be considered game is if hunts wild game, but that would be technically speaking and I can be a very technical guy. On the other end of the spectrum you got those dogs that are used for other aspects of hunting wild game which would be the retrievers, spotters and the bay dogs which I left out.

Here at game-dog.com when someone ask how test a dog for gameness, they know exactly how to test and are just BS-ing around. There's only way to game test an APBT and we all damn sure know it.I know the original game test and the rules, but have never done it because it is illegal, all I'm saying if it is illegal and you dont do it, why do some people on this site say their dog is game, just because it has Jeep, Chinaman, mayday, etc. in their pedigree

[MR BIGGS]

That would be my guess but do we really know what goes on in each others lives and how we handle our dogs. I can tell you all day that I don't match my dogs but would you ever really know? Honestly whose gonna admit it, so people just throw bloodlines and pedigress around so others will get an idea of what they're working with.Pedigrees, bloodlines, agility, weightpulling, flyball, flirtpole, sprinpole, treadmill or anything else doesn't determine a game dog except matching.
I know the original game test and the rules, but have never done it because it is illegal, all I'm saying if it is illegal and you dont do it, why do some people on this site say their dog is game, just because it has Jeep, Chinaman, mayday, etc. in their pedigree

[purplepig]

I know the original game test and the rules, but have never done it because it is illegal, all I'm saying if it is illegal and you dont do it, why do some people on this site say their dog is game, just because it has Jeep, Chinaman, mayday, etc. in their pedigree
I havent heard anyone actually say,"this is cudo's, and He is one game sob!" Havent heard that one.

[pancho]

It's not about the catch, it's about the dog getting put behind and seeing if it quits, or thinks it is still ahead, even though behind. If the dog does a good catch, then there is no testing of game. So it is better for the test if the dogs is a novice, because once experienced and can handle the hog, no more testing can happen, IMO. Understand?
I understand what you are saying. Still that does not explain all of the other breeds that will do the same job, in the same style, and with the same determination of the pit bull. For some reason a dog will stay with a hog longer than he would a game dog. Even when he is punished about the same. Just something about it being a wild animal. At one time I had a pit bull/fox terrier cross that would catch any hog and stay with them all day long. Funny looking dog, wasn't game, but was a great hunting dog.
I used to hog hunt with some Florida people in the swamps. Their dogs were pit bulls and amstaffs. Each did a great job. Catching a hog in the swamp is a job. It was a job just following the dogs.
That was about the time the ambull was being developed so they didn't use them.
A dog being called game if it hunts wild game is not the same gameness we talk about with the pit bull. That would make a cocker spaniel game. Two different things.

[purplepig]

I understand what you are saying. Still that does not explain all of the other breeds that will do the same job, in the same style, and with the same determination of the pit bull. For some reason a dog will stay with a hog longer than he would a game dog. Even when he is punished about the same. Just something about it being a wild animal. At one time I had a pit bull/fox terrier cross that would catch any hog and stay with them all day long. Funny looking dog, wasn't game, but was a great hunting dog.
I used to hog hunt with some Florida people in the swamps. Their dogs were pit bulls and amstaffs. Each did a great job. Catching a hog in the swamp is a job. It was a job just following the dogs.
That was about the time the ambull was being developed so they didn't use them.
A dog being called game if it hunts wild game is not the same gameness we talk about with the pit bull. That would make a cocker spaniel game. Two different things.Agreed about the hunting wild game not being the gameness we like.

As to your mix, have you ever seen it so far behind that you said to yourself,"there's no way he'll stay with it"?, yet the look on the dog's face was like it was winning the battle? Just alittle bit of challenge is not what I am speaking of. I am talking about one of them full grown hogs putting a hurting on that dog that would bring a grown man to his knees begging for mercy, yet the dog is still smiling/happy? Then it comes to the stage when the dog beggins to sing. Now the dog is beggining to get to a place of testing, but hasnt arrived yet. If you are saying that you got a mix that will go through what I am speaking of and not do everything it can to get away, or just lay down and die,...well, I just truely dont see it happening. A Catahoula is a pretty tough dog, but it wont go through the thing I am speaking of. You said you had been hoggin with some folks from Florida, did they have a wild fresh catch in a pen to let the young ones train with? if so, have you ever seen a novice in said pen? If so, especially for the hogs around my place, (dont know about Florida's), they had better put the vest on, and if the dog didnt catch the hog right, that dog could very easily get to a place of having to get pulled out!

I do not suggest letting the dog get so far out there that he is ruined, but you'd be suprised at how bad it would have to be for that to happen.

On a side note, back in the day, a dog who went through it's "game test", would be thrown in with a dog that was believed to be able to put the testee way behind. Some would even two dog them. Many dogs have been ruined because of an improper test. Why, some folks have even kept the dog fighting other dogs till the dog did quit. A good dog man, with experience, would test the dog so far, and if he saw what he liked, test was over.

[pancho]

Agreed about the hunting wild game not being the gameness we like.

As to your mix, have you ever seen it so far behind that you said to yourself,"there's no way he'll stay with it"?, yet the look on the dog's face was like it was winning the battle? Just alittle bit of challenge is not what I am speaking of. I am talking about one of them full grown hogs putting a hurting on that dog that would bring a grown man to his knees begging for mercy, yet the dog is still smiling/happy? Then it comes to the stage when the dog beggins to sing. Now the dog is beggining to get to a place of testing, but hasnt arrived yet. If you are saying that you got a mix that will go through what I am speaking of and not do everything it can to get away, or just lay down and die,...well, I just truely dont see it happening. A Catahoula is a pretty tough dog, but it wont go through the thing I am speaking of. You said you had been hoggin with some folks from Florida, did they have a wild fresh catch in a pen to let the young ones train with? if so, have you ever seen a novice in said pen? If so, especially for the hogs around my place, (dont know about Florida's), they had better put the vest on, and if the dog didnt catch the hog right, that dog could very easily get to a place of having to get pulled out!

I do not suggest letting the dog get so far out there that he is ruined, but you'd be suprised at how bad it would have to be for that to happen.

On a side note, back in the day, a dog who went through it's "game test", would be thrown in with a dog that was believed to be able to put the testee way behind. Some would even two dog them. Many dogs have been ruined because of an improper test. Why, some folks have even kept the dog fighting other dogs till the dog did quit. A good dog man, with experience, would test the dog so far, and if he saw what he liked, test was over.

We sold the hogs we caught to hunting clubs mostly. Never had a reason to put a dog on a hog in a pen. If we already had the hog in a pen there wasn't any reason to put the dog on it, the dog had already caught the hog in the swamp. Also back then there wasn't any vest to put on the dog, they came later. As far as I can remember the Watchdog kennel was one of the first with the vests, although they caught on fast. We would loose a dog every once in a while. We chose our hog dogs by their style. A head dog would do alright, a leg dog was useless.
The mix would stay with any hog. He would cur out if another dog got too rough. We hunted in Arkansas and Oklahoma also. For equal conditions we found the hogs in Oklahoma were about the roughest. Many did not have any ears.
Game testing a dog is not something the inexperienced should ever try. You sure are right about some being ruined.
Like many of the old timers used to say, their dog didn't have to be game, he just had to be more game than the other dog.

[purplepig]

We sold the hogs we caught to hunting clubs mostly. Never had a reason to put a dog on a hog in a pen. If we already had the hog in a pen there wasn't any reason to put the dog on it, the dog had already caught the hog in the swamp. Also back then there wasn't any vest to put on the dog, they came later. As far as I can remember the Watchdog kennel was one of the first with the vests, although they caught on fast. We would loose a dog every once in a while. We chose our hog dogs by their style. A head dog would do alright, a leg dog was useless.
The mix would stay with any hog. He would cur out if another dog got too rough.
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I just dont think you are understanding what I am saying. And I will not go any further with this.

We pen wild hogs to train new dogs on the hunt. Some do the same to fine tune them for competition. A dog in comp. is timed for the catch, and the release.

Also, those south Arkansas river bottom hogs are some of the roughest I have seen. Especially in the Saline River bottoms just before it dumps into the Quachita.

[MR BIGGS]

I think we all pretty much know or have an idea about the term game and how it stems to be labeled towards a particular dog.


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Well I tried, but I couldn't find the button:p

[purplepig]

I think we all pretty much know or have an idea about the term game and how it stems to be labeled towards a particular dog.


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Well I tried, but I couldn't find the button:p
I second the motion!! This thread is going nowhere. Pig out!

[malachi]

Its too damn bad someone can not ask a question and get an answer without everyone being ass%$#@. Sorry not everyone is as smart and all of you. Sorry Fedor23. Miakoda thanks for not being an ass.

[kane85]

I think I understand what the op was trying to get at.

We cannot test our dogs for gameness legally anymore in the US (& many other places, however there are some countries where the matching of dogs is still legal).

However since that option is not available, there are different ways of testing other traits such as agility, courage, stamina, etc. People do activities such as hog hunting, weight pulling, & enter them into competitions like the Bully Olympics or the Iron Dog where contests include a conformation show, weight pulls, treadmill races, hangtime events & some others. Many people have gone down these routes in an effort to preserve their dogs to the best of their legal abilities.

Does this help?i love that post you made i give you props all i could say is that at least you took the guys question serious good info.

[purplepig]

Its too damn bad someone can not ask a question and get an answer without everyone being ass%$#@. Sorry not everyone is as smart and all of you. Sorry Fedor23. Miakoda thanks for not being an ass.
I did answer your question, and was not trying in anyway to put you down. I am sorry you took what I sad sarcastically. If I have offended you, please forgive me, it was not my intention!

[MR BIGGS]

I'm not apologizing and people shouldn't be so sensitive and no-one should apologize. There are ways of searching topics that have been discussed and this is one that has been brought up a few times. Second of all it's a topic that has only one factual answer and anybody involved with these dogs should know it. The site is game-dog.com. There's enough reason to do a search right there. If you stumbled onto this site then there was a way and a reason you found it.

BTW: if a person is asking how to test for game then they know what the hell they're talking about because how would they know it's something that needs to be tested?

[pancho]

I just dont think you are understanding what I am saying. And I will not go any further with this.

We pen wild hogs to train new dogs on the hunt. Some do the same to fine tune them for competition. A dog in comp. is timed for the catch, and the release.

Also, those south Arkansas river bottom hogs are some of the roughest I have seen. Especially in the Saline River bottoms just before it dumps into the Quachita.I understood what you were saying from the first. You can pen your hogs and let your dogs play with them. That is not a game test and you should know it. And I do not really care if you go further or not. The question was game test. You cannot game test a pit bull with a hog.
I may have to take that part back. The people with pit bulls now days may test their dogs with hogs. That may be the reason there are so many people with game dogs that do not know what game test is.
I can't see where anyone can complain about the blue bully dogs when they can handle a hog just as good as a pit bull. Maybe it is true what some of the old timers have tried to tell me. The pit bull of today is just a shadow of the dog it used to be. With game testing against a hog I can begin to understand.

[Fedor23]

so if we can't realy game test our dogs, how do we know they are game? becuase maybe a mix can be game who knows

[pancho]

so if we can't realy game test our dogs, how do we know they are game? becuase maybe a mix can be game who knows
In reality very few of the dogs are game. Just saying so on the computer does not make a dog game. In the past, many years ago, there were very few game dogs. That was when they game tested the dogs. Nowdays there are very few that know what game is and not many that test. There are even less game dogs than in the past. There is getting to be very little difference in the pit bull and the amstaff. Some think because they are conditioned they are game. You can condition any dog. That does not make them game. You cannot tell by looking and a game dog 3 generations ago means nothing.

[Fedor23]

In reality very few of the dogs are game. Just saying so on the computer does not make a dog game. In the past, many years ago, there were very few game dogs. That was when they game tested the dogs. Nowdays there are very few that know what game is and not many that test. There are even less game dogs than in the past. There is getting to be very little difference in the pit bull and the amstaff. Some think because they are conditioned they are game. You can condition any dog. That does not make them game. You cannot tell by looking and a game dog 3 generations ago means nothing. that's what I've beem trying to say

[MR BIGGS]

But you put it in question form, so technically speaking you knew what the hell u were saying and just wanted to hear somebody else say it. Do a search and you'll find many threads on this topic.
that's what I've beem trying to say

[pancho]

But you put it in question form, so technically speaking you knew what the hell u were saying and just wanted to hear somebody else say it. Do a search and you'll find many threads on this topic.
I don't know for sure but maybe he was curious how so many call their dogs game when they haven't been tested. Sometimes a person will know the answer to a question but is just curious how others do something that will perform the same task.
I would be curious also. For all of those who have game dogs but do not test, what is the secret?

[MR BIGGS]

Who calls their dog/s game? I've never seen it, but I have seen people call their dogs game bred. People come here obviously knowing something about something so why BS and ask around? Do a search? Everyone knows that dog fighting is illegal and everyone knows that's what APBts' were used for at one point so why go through the whole process of asking around when either u know, or u can do a search?
Whatever, keep playing dumb if you'd like. I'm done
I don't know for sure but maybe he was curious how so many call their dogs game when they haven't been tested. Sometimes a person will know the answer to a question but is just curious how others do something that will perform the same task.
I would be curious also. For all of those who have game dogs but do not test, what is the secret?

[pancho]

Who calls their dog/s game? I've never seen it, but I have seen people call their dogs game bred. People come here obviously knowing something about something so why BS and ask around? Do a search? Everyone know that dog fighting is illegal and everyone knows that's what APBts' were used for at point so why go through the whole process of asking around when either u know or u can search around?
Whatever, keep playing dumb if you'd like. I'm done
I have been reading some of your posts. I don't believe you really know what game is. To be game bred the parents of the dog would have to be game. This 3 or more generations back is not game bred.
How can people call their dogs game bred? How is it possible to have game bred dogs when they come fron untested dogs? How many generations back can you go to find a game tested dog and still call your dog game bred?
My grandfather was a boxer. That does not make me a boxer.

[malachi]

I'm not apologizing and people shouldn't be so sensitive and no-one should apologize. There are ways of searching topics that have been discussed and this is one that has been brought up a few times. Second of all it's a topic that has only one factual answer and anybody involved with these dogs should know it. The site is game-dog.com. There's enough reason to do a search right there. If you stumbled onto this site then there was a way and a reason you found it.

BTW: if a person is asking how to test for game then they know what the hell they're talking about because how would they know it's something that needs to be tested?
Do you know anything at all? Have you graduated junior high? Are you smart enough to have a dog or does your dog take care of you? If you had a brain the size of a nut then you would see I did not ask the question I just was looking at the posts and saw this tread and saw rude comments like the following "play tug-o-war with him and if he dislocates your shoulder then my friend u have a bad ass dog" "What is goin on today?? Full moon or something?" "What you do is you challenge him in a game of checkers and if he can beat you 8 out of 10 times with out quitting hes game lol lol......hahahahahahaahaha". I do not know the poster I am simply saying people are on here to learn and sometimes I ask question and people might think they are stupid but I am trying to learn to be a better pet owner. So maybe just maybe instead of attacking each other and putting each other down we should try to help each other out. And if you dont have anything nice to say keep your damn mouth shut. Oh by the way did you mother and father ever teach you that if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it at all. Well, incase they didn't there you go. Have a blessed weekend. And please instead of bashing people on the site get a life.

[14rock]

People who still use the word game to describe their animals either:

1.) Break the law.

2.) Have a lesser definition of game (thus, they consider weightpull and hog-hunting a gametesting experience)

3.) Are lieing and/or wishful thinking.

[diggit]

instead of getting name called and ect. along with all the beating around the bush

look at this.....

http://www.gamedogs.com/gametest.htm

it gives you all the info you need..... if someone says there dog is game either they did test there dog or they are lieing that its game... it looks bad either way.....

[purplepig]

I do know people who have gametested their dogs in the hog pen and when the dog was put into the box the same results came across, back in the day. And the ones who would try to jump the fence from the hog, did the same in the box. Now, I realize you wont change your mind, as you truely have no idea of what I am saying from your posts, and truely have never seen what I am talking about, as you have already admitted you havent ever seen a hog penned up. So haveing contempt prior to investigation truely is a position to be able to stay in ignorance, and it is a choice.

[pancho]

People who still use the word game to describe their animals either:

1.) Break the law.

2.) Have a lesser definition of game (thus, they consider weightpull and hog-hunting a gametesting experience)

3.) Are lieing and/or wishful thinking.
I will agree to everything you have said.
As to the dog that curred out in the hog pen and did the same in the box, why would you be surprised? If it is a cur it will cur out anywhere you put it. Location means nothing.
You still haven't answered the question. If catching a hog is game testing what about all the amstaffs, ambulls, and mixes that do the same as a pit bull? Are they game also just because they caught a hog?
I will agree I do have contempt for trying to game test by catching a hog. I have been to a few of the catch dog trials. I was not impressed.
I have respect for a dog that can catch a hog in the wild, to catch a hog penned up, I have no respect for the dog or owner.
I have never seen a game hog, I have seen hogs try to protect themselves, there is a difference. People who do not recognise the difference will not have a grasp on game testing anyway. Why not game test against collies?

[MR BIGGS]

You don't................
How do you game test your dogs nowadays?

[purplepig]

Go back to the top, and read all my posts, as I did answer your question. It is not about CATCHING a hog, did you see that? It is not about CATCHING! but you would not understand this, and it seems your incapable of grasping the concept.

And a game test is not a match test. A game test has always been performed to decide whether or not the animal was worthy to be schooled out. And I tell you, because you wouldnt know this, as you havent even seen a fresh wild catch in a pen, that a dog that does well with what I am talking about has always done well matching, unless the hogs of today are different than in the past.

So you think anydog can take a hog whipping upon it for a while and that means nothing, and I say that I can either find what I like or dont like in the same process, that's fine. You think I am stupid, I believe you to be ignorant. Agreed!

[blackbeard]

How do you game test your dogs nowadays?

You are better off reading the books written by real dogmen(not Stratton books). You will eventually have your own methods of doing things.

[purplepig]

Poncho, are you a cop? I got the feeling you were a few posts ago, and when I mention how they have done in the pen and the box, you seemed to word it just right to try and pull something out to incriminate, which you cant. I have not been involved in the game for 20 years or so. When I see you from now on, I will see the words in neon, "COP'. At least have the guts to tell us!

[pancho]

Go back to the top, and read all my posts, as I did answer your question. It is not about CATCHING a hog, did you see that? It is not about CATCHING! but you would not understand this, and it seems your incapable of grasping the concept.

And a game test is not a match test. A game test has always been performed to decide whether or not the animal was worthy to be schooled out. And I tell you, because you wouldnt know this, as you havent even seen a fresh wild catch in a pen, that a dog that does well with what I am talking about has always done well matching, unless the hogs of today are different than in the past.

So you think anydog can take a hog whipping upon it for a while and that means nothing, and I say that I can either find what I like or dont like in the same process, that's fine. You think I am stupid, I believe you to be ignorant. Agreed!
One of the things that anyone with catching experience will tell you. A hog will loose a little something every time they are caught. A hog in a pen that has been used for practice is nothing for a real catch dog.
I have no doubt that you will be well satisified with a catch dog. There are many good ones, from several breeds. They can catch, take a whipping, but that doesn't make them game.
The topic was game test.
I don't think you are stupid, just inexperienced. Nothing a little bit of knowledge couldn't change.
What you do not seem to be able to grasp is the impossibility of game testing a dog with a hog.
I do not doubt your experience in catching, I do not doubt your dogs catching ability.
What I doubt is your knowledge of what game is.

[pancho]

Poncho, are you a cop? I got the feeling you were a few posts ago, and when I mention how they have done in the pen and the box, you seemed to word it just right to try and pull something out to incriminate, which you cant. I have not been involved in the game for 20 years or so. When I see you from now on, I will see the words in neon, "COP'. At least have the guts to tell us!
I can guarantee you I am not any type of LEO. I do not care what others do with their property. You can catch, match, show, hunt, pull,or anything else with your property. I do not care and it isn't any of my business.
When I see your name I will see "13 year old kid". From your posts you are just a kid who likes to try and talk a good game. Just do not have the knowledge that it takes to be a finisher.

[purplepig]

I can guarantee you I am not any type of LEO. I do not care what others do with their property. You can catch, match, show, hunt, pull,or anything else with your property. I do not care and it isn't any of my business.
When I see your name I will see "13 year old kid". From your posts you are just a kid who likes to try and talk a good game. Just do not have the knowledge that it takes to be a finisher.
That's right, how did you know that I am a 13 year old kid? I am a 13 year old kid who has NEVER matched/faught/rolled/tested a dog in my life. Why, I have never even been hog hunting for that matter. All I do is sit around and read books on the APBT and the internet so that I may come onto a bulldog forum and present myself as someone who has a clue. BTW, while we are on this, I prefer 120# blue bulldogs to the scrawney 34 pound ones, I feed them corn straight out of the field, no need in feeding meat, and I cannot smell a cop a mile away!

BTW, you did not answer my question.

[pancho]

That's right, how did you know that I am a 13 year old kid? I am a 13 year old kid who has NEVER matched/faught/rolled/tested a dog in my life. Why, I have never even been hog hunting for that matter. All I do is sit around and read books on the APBT and the internet so that I may come onto a bulldog forum and present myself as someone who has a clue. BTW, while we are on this, I prefer 120# blue bulldogs to the scrawney 34 pound ones, I feed them corn straight out of the field, no need in feeding meat, and I cannot smell a cop a mile away!

BTW, you did not answer my question.
What question was that? I answerer your cop question is several places. Do you have a problem with reading?
I am very glad you finally admitted what I had been thinking for some time. Don't feel bad. There is still a chance for you. Just follow along and read a little bit more and try listening to those who have been where you have never been.

[14rock]

This is a personal issue which should be taken up in pm's if you two wish to continue the name-calling, and discussion. It was a good one, until accusations started getting thrown around, and thats not something the board needs to see. The topic is game-testing, not 13 year old kids and Police. Please keep it that way.

[pancho]

This is a personal issue which should be taken up in pm's if you two wish to continue the name-calling, and discussion. It was a good one, until accusations started getting thrown around, and thats not something the board needs to see. The topic is game-testing, not 13 year old kids and Police. Please keep it that way.
Sounds good. I will be the first to apologize to anyone that I may have offended.

[14rock]

Thank you pancho.

[shaonnalove]

I'm thinking this person means drive not game as in fighting but I am new here and could be wrong. I was told to test my dogs drive by getting a mouse and letting it go in front of him to see what he does. Of course I never did it, figured if he had any drive it would come out in due time. I was gonna wp him and was wonder how much drive he had to see if he would be even as good as my bitch at pulling but ended up rehoming him due to skin issues anyways.

[Attila]

LEO, Laymans term for Law Enforcement Officer. Commonly used by Federal investigators and/or Special Operative personell. Spent too much time butting heads with them while Serving in Special Forces as Covert Operations Team. Interesting choice of words. Very tight and programed. So the quiz of the day is; have you polished your Govt. Issue shoes today?
I personally can asure you that PurplePig isn't 13 nor is he intellectually challenged.

I have only been on one hog hunt using dogs so that is a new begining for me personally. But I dig it. Now I hunt Bear, coon, cougars, and so forth with my dogs and have for a great many years. It isn't that they catch it. It is in the nature of how they catch it. A foresight into the possibility that the dog may turn out into an ecellent catch dog or end up dead in the muck. That is a real possibility either way, even for the hunter. I have seen both die in the field. Prospecting is what you're doing by testing them on a hog in a pen. Preferably a smaller hog and before you invest much time into training a dog that will not hunt or will not hunt effectively. Not that it truely game. There is not an actual legal way of knowing such for fact. Every thing is speculative at this time. Operatively we have no true way of knowing with out breaking some law in the United States that is. I don't even know which countries it is legal in. So really this arguement is theory an any likelyhood of being solid yes and know. Sort of a only resort at this time. In a few years maybe if you look at them and they look back will be our only option who knows with the ever changing laws effected by the media and those that buy into that crap.

[pancho]

LEO, Laymans term for Law Enforcement Officer. Commonly used by Federal investigators and/or Special Operative personell. Spent too much time butting heads with them while Serving in Special Forces as Covert Operations Team. Interesting choice of words. Very tight and programed. So the quiz of the day is; have you polished your Govt. Issue shoes today?
I personally can asure you that PurplePig isn't 13 nor is he intellectually challenged.

I have only been on one hog hunt using dogs so that is a new begining for me personally. But I dig it. Now I hunt Bear, coon, cougars, and so forth with my dogs and have for a great many years. It isn't that they catch it. It is in the nature of how they catch it. A foresight into the possibility that the dog may turn out into an ecellent catch dog or end up dead in the muck. That is a real possibility either way, even for the hunter. I have seen both die in the field. Prospecting is what you're doing by testing them on a hog in a pen. Preferably a smaller hog and before you invest much time into training a dog that will not hunt or will not hunt effectively. Not that it truely game. There is not an actual legal way of knowing such for fact. Every thing is speculative at this time. Operatively we have no true way of knowing with out breaking some law in the United States that is. I don't even know which countries it is legal in. So really this arguement is theory an any likelyhood of being solid yes and know. Sort of a only resort at this time. In a few years maybe if you look at them and they look back will be our only option who knows with the ever changing laws effected by the media and those that buy into that crap.
Thanks for the reference on purplepig. I really had no doubt. I do return each insult with one. Mine are not as thought out as others.
As far as your first comment. Who are you to be asking about me? Who are you in reality? And my shoes are not a worry of yours.

[mrsmickey351]

IMO I don't think Pancho is a cop. He is a little too knowlegeable pn the subject. Cops are usually too stupid and ignorant to talk like that.

[dog-man]

I agree with Pancho, and think most people on this board agree as well, that to really test a game bred pitbull is illeagal, atleast here in the U.S, and its plain funny to think that some people think that you can actually test your pitbull chasing after a scared boar/pig , I too am all for hunting boar with your dogs but in the wild, not putting a defenseless boar in a pen, and then de tusk him , what kind of challenge is that for any dog.

[Attila]

Thanks for the reference on purplepig. I really had no doubt. I do return each insult with one. Mine are not as thought out as others.
As far as your first comment. Who are you to be asking about me? Who are you in reality? And my shoes are not a worry of yours.
Check my profile it is strait up. You can also look at my site in my signature to find out the rest. I have no secrets.

[miakoda]

Once again, another thread is closed.

And by the way, I don't give a shit who you are, you are not too smart if you actually think you can come on here & ask people who call their dogs "gamedogs" or "gamebred" dogs when, where, & how they got that title. IMO, it sounds like someone's fishing for info whereas they need to keep their noses out of things that don't involve them. And quit assuming. I canNOT stand people who assume things about others!