Lesson learned and a question

[NcPrisonGuard]

Well I learned a lesson today.. Lupe and Boomer can't be allowed out at the same time. I go out to feed Boomer and Cheyenne in the pen and to clean the crap out... Boomer slips out of the door (no biggie he doesn't run off) I see him run over toward Lupe (who's on chain) and she jumps on him.. I seperate with no injuries other than Boomer's pride. But I notice Lupe isn't done.. she's at the end of the chain going nuts.. she's not barking but she's digging and whining I mean she's working up a lather of slobber to the point she looks like she's foaming at the mouth, she almost pulled up the tie-down completely (I put in a new one with concrete) And now anytime she can see him, it starts all over again, she wigs out. I am pretty new to the breed and I don't know alot about "gameness" But I never seen anything like that before... So my question is that a sign that she's "game" or is that something completely different?

[Diesel]

Not at all, just meanst she is hot or willing to fight. VERY common in the breed.

Keep them seperated knowing that she is willing to at least initiate the fight.

I guess I should answer your other question: a lot of dogs will initaite a fight but turn tail once the other dog starts to get the better of them. thats called curring, or turning. Gameness is hard to define but basically its never giving up and never quiting despite adversity, pain, or injury. So in order for a dog to be labled as game it would require a SERIES of matches, not just one, in which the dog is pushed to the limit and continues to push back no matter what.

So No, being ready to go doesnt make your dog game.

[Pitbull219]

classic dog aggression. Can come out at anytime with these dogs. Some as very young pups, others don't "turn on" until well into adulthood.

[NcPrisonGuard]

So the only way to know if a dog is truly..truly game is to test them right?

[NcPrisonGuard]

classic dog aggression. Can come out at anytime with these dogs. Some as very young pups, others don't "turn on" until well into adulthood.

Nah, she's not DA all the time.. she's fine with the other 2 I have. Its just Boomer she goes after.

[TripleJ]

Nah, she's not DA all the time.. she's fine with the other 2 I have. Its just Boomer she goes after. That can change anytime! what you have is fight crazy Thats all ! Nothing to worrie about I cant let any dogs around each other . And YES the ony way to test gameness is the oldfashion way. Yis J

[BoiBoi]

U know the only thing that comes to mind right now is to tell u "We told u so". U had a thread last week about a pic of ur 2 dogs rough housing it and what do u know all of a sudden this week u have a yard accident. Wow u come to this site to learn right, well why don't u take our advise. Many people told u it was a bad idea to let the dogs rough house together because a fight can easily brake out. Now i know that the 2 dogs that got in a fight are not the same 2 that u have a picture with rough housing, but i would hope that this would be an eye opener and that u will properly restrain ur dogs before something serious happens.

[Pitbull219]

Nah, she's not DA all the time.. she's fine with the other 2 I have. Its just Boomer she goes after.there might be something about him that sets her off, but I would think it's only a matter of time before she goes at one of the others. My girl Lexi was food aggressive, I got her out of that habit. Then she started going at any of the other dogs when they got too close to the couch if my daughter was on it. She's got out of that habit, but she still goes after any of the other dogs for the slightest indiscretion in her eyes. And she just doesn't learn. Her face has got some pretty good scars cuz she goes after the older dogs, and they won't take her sh*t. It's just a good thing we don't leave them alone, that would be disastrous.....

[NcPrisonGuard]

Actually No it doesn't the two I posted rough housing were Boomer and Cheyenne we've had them since they were puppies they've been raised together they rough house and play all the time, they are kept in the pen unattended during the day and we have ZERO problems from them... the one I am posting about now is Lupe she's the one I took from my brother in law... she's not kept with the others.. she's not off the chain unattended. I am not going to keep 2 well mannered dogs chained up when they do fine in a pen and have done fine together since they were puppies. Thank you for your concern and all.

[Pitbull219]

Actually No it doesn't the two I posted rough housing were Boomer and Cheyenne we've had them since they were puppies they've been raised together they rough house and play all the time, they are kept in the pen unattended during the day and we have ZERO problems from them... the one I am posting about now is Lupe she's the one I took from my brother in law... she's not kept with the others.. she's not off the chain unattended. I am not going to keep 2 well mannered dogs chained up when they do fine in a pen and have done fine together since they were puppies. Thank you for your concern and all.Uh huh....my two youngest are littermates, and they were great together for a time. We never left them together unattended, but as of late they don't play nice all the time. I let them play together, and romp around and stuff, but the second it gets more than play they are separated. You can keep fooling yourself thinking that they'll always be best buds, but when you come home one day and find a dead dog in that pen, just remember what people here told you.......

[BoiBoi]

Uh huh....my two youngest are littermates, and they were great together for a time. We never left them together unattended, but as of late they don't play nice all the time. I let them play together, and romp around and stuff, but the second it gets more than play they are separated. You can keep fooling yourself thinking that they'll always be best buds, but when you come home one day and find a dead dog in that pen, just remember what people here told you.......
AMEN TO THAT

[NcPrisonGuard]

These two stay in the house at night..they sleep in the bed with us.. have since they were pups, am I suppose to chain them up at night as well? To make sure they don't maul each other while we're asleep? Please don't get me wrong I am not saying that I know more about this breed than ya'll God knows I don't. But these two are still puppies for the most part (still under a year) They are out suring the day and in at night. Before I built the pen we had them both on chains.. and I am not opposed to chaining a dog out. We've never had even the slightest problem from them.. ever.. no fights period.. no food scuffles no fights over toys... nothing. I know thats not normal for this breed. And if it gets to he point that they aren't playing well together then I'll change the setup.. I'll come on here and say .. Hey ya'll were right... I'm not above being wrong.

[Diesel]

Leaving your dogs unattended is just ASKING for trouble.

It doesnt matter how well they get on as pups, as they mature the hormones WILL kick on and aggression is common in the breed. THere is a slight, SLIM chance that you could get lucky and they do get on fine, but that would be the exception not the rule. Especially if you have real APBTs and not petbulls.

Dont take the risk it could cost one or both of your dogs.

[NcPrisonGuard]

You know what.. I think I'll take ya'll's advice. I've got two chain link kennels.. they're smaller but big enough and these two don't climb... I'll get them moved into the pen. No since in risking it, you folks have alot more experience than I do... I'll turn them loose when I am out there. But at night in the house they are on their own. These two... well Boomer especially are petbulls

[Pitbull219]

You know what.. I think I'll take ya'll's advice. I've got two chain link kennels.. they're smaller but big enough and these two don't climb... I'll get them moved into the pen. No since in risking it, you folks have alot more experience than I do... I'll turn them loose when I am out there. But at night in the house they are on their own. These two... well Boomer especially are petbullsI commend you for taking the advice given to you here, seriously. I remember back a few years ago, my wife had our two girls at the time outside in the yard at our last house. She went inside to do laundry or something. Then the phone rang and it was our next door neighbor, a lovely 70 year old woman who along with her husband absolutely loved our dogs, screaming that our dogs were killing each other and she needed to get out there immediately. Well, sure enough my wife ran out there and they were fighting pretty good. My wife was able to break them up rahter quickly. But she got a hell of an ear full from me when I came home. They both have scars from it, had nobody been around to see what was going on, I could've easily been out a dog or two. Just always supervise playtime, and keep them separated when you can't supervise, it's really not too much to ask for the the safety and well being of your dogs.....

[Saiyagin]

Well I learned a lesson today.. Lupe and Boomer can't be allowed out at the same time. I go out to feed Boomer and Cheyenne in the pen and to clean the crap out... Boomer slips out of the door (no biggie he doesn't run off) I see him run over toward Lupe (who's on chain) and she jumps on him.. I seperate with no injuries other than Boomer's pride. But I notice Lupe isn't done.. she's at the end of the chain going nuts.. she's not barking but she's digging and whining I mean she's working up a lather of slobber to the point she looks like she's foaming at the mouth, she almost pulled up the tie-down completely (I put in a new one with concrete) And now anytime she can see him, it starts all over again, she wigs out. I am pretty new to the breed and I don't know alot about "gameness" But I never seen anything like that before... So my question is that a sign that she's "game" or is that something completely different?What set Lupe off is that Boomer invaded her chain space territory and she was jumping on him to show her dominance good thing Boomer didnt retaliate or she would have turned on him thats why when you pulled Boomer away she started to get crazy because she was at her edge at the point before she clicks on and she had to let out her aggression and frustration somehow. Experienced dogmen know that this in one of the techniques to start one up by letting the other dog invade his or her chain space territory. The reason why she wigs out when she sees Boomer is because he is the trigger to make her start up and no that doesnt mean she is game it just means that her natural fighting insticnts switched is turned on.

[LegendsMami]

You know what.. I think I'll take ya'll's advice. I've got two chain link kennels.. they're smaller but big enough and these two don't climb... I'll get them moved into the pen. No since in risking it, you folks have alot more experience than I do... I'll turn them loose when I am out there. But at night in the house they are on their own. These two... well Boomer especially are petbulls
Yup thats the best thing to do.:) Legend has now started acting funny toward my GSD. He will be a year old is 6 more days and I would say in the last 2 months or so has now been standing up for himself against my GSD.(My GSD occassionally whoops his ass) and has even stood his ground toward her not backing down.(Of course I step in and seperate them when either one of them get in their shitty moods) And is now starting to poof out his chest in the presence of male dogs he's never met before and keeps a close eye on them. And even now gets weird and pushes my GSD away from his crate when she goes over to it.And he's ALWAYS been around other dogs......So please be careful!:)

[BoiBoi]

Hey NcPrisonGuard, i didn't even realize that ur 2 dogs are still young. My dog was very friendly to damn near every dog he encountered when he was about a year old, but it seems like when he reached around 1.5yrs old he started to get real cocky with other dogs and now at 2 he is completely DA towards every dog he see's, So just to warn u that one day when ur pups get older u might have to come to the point were they need to be separated at all times

[Dirty3rd]

Yuuup. I have had the same experiences and would have to agree. Keep them seperated if you want to keep them.

[TripleJ]

You know what.. I think I'll take ya'll's advice. I've got two chain link kennels.. they're smaller but big enough and these two don't climb... I'll get them moved into the pen. No since in risking it, you folks have alot more experience than I do... I'll turn them loose when I am out there. But at night in the house they are on their own. These two... well Boomer especially are petbulls Smart choice You never know when they will turn on. I had a bitch one time I Thought was cold she was very pretty and I kept her for 18 months (cold as Ice) I gave her to a friend for a pet he had a blue he said was cold Then one day he called me at 3am to tell me the dog killed his other dog in the kitchen while he was out at the bar he said the house was F***ED up and blood all over his stuff. But I did tell him that might happen and he was like you said they love each other. Do the right thing keep them apart. YIS J

[NcPrisonGuard]

And just in case anyone thinks I am BSing about this..I'll try and get some photos up of the updated pen. If you look at the pen in my gallery you can see the kennels behind it, now its just a matter of moving the heavy sumbitches.

[NcPrisonGuard]

Hey NcPrisonGuard, i didn't even realize that ur 2 dogs are still young. My dog was very friendly to damn near every dog he encountered when he was about a year old, but it seems like when he reached around 1.5yrs old he started to get real cocky with other dogs and now at 2 he is completely DA towards every dog he see's, So just to warn u that one day when ur pups get older u might have to come to the point were they need to be separated at all times

Boomer will be a year at the end of Nov. Lupe will be a year Nov 8.. and Cheyenne won't be a year untill Feb 26 and Folsom (house dog 24/7) june 1

[Iverson's Pits]

MY FIRST TWO DOGS CAME FROM AN OLD DOGGER WITH OVER 40 YEARS IN THE GAME. I GOT TWO FEMALES FROM THE SAME LITTER. HE TOLD ME, THAT BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WERE BRED, AND WHO THEIR GRANDFATHER WAS, THERE WOULD COME A TIME THAT THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO COEXIST. I KEPT COMING BACK TO HIM TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH THE TWO GIRLS WALKING SIDE BY SIDE. EVERYTIME I WENT TO TALK DOGS OR JUST BS WITH THE GUY, HE ALWAYS WARNED ME ABOUT "ONE DAY..." BEING YOUNG AND IGNORANT, I DISMISSED HIS WARNINGS CITING THAT THESE TWO GIRLS ARE LITTERMATES, THEY ARE GROWING UP TOGETHER, THEY SLEEP TOGETHER, THEY LICK EACHOTHER, IM RAISING THEM INDOORS AS PETS FIRST, BULLDOGS SECOND, BLAH BLAH BLAH. WELL, HE ESTIMATED 10 MONTHS OLD, BUT IT TOOK UNTIL 1.5 YEARS OLD WHEN ONE WENT THRU HER SECOND HEAT. ONE TURNED ON, IT GOT UGLY....REAL UGLY...AND IT HAPPENED WHILE THEY WERE PLAYING TUG-O-WAR WITH A ROPE WITH ME IN THE YARD. IT TOOK ABOUT .000013 SECONDS TO KICK OFF, AND ALOT LONGER THAN THAT FOR ME TO STOP.

IS LEAVING APBT'S/STAFFS TOGETHER UNATTENDED A GOOD IDEA? NO
CAN IT BE DONE WITHOUT A PROBLEM? YES
DO YOU KNOW YOUR DOGS BETTER THAN ANY OF US? YES
ARE YOU THEIR BEST JUDGE OF CHARACTER? YES
IS IT MORE LIKELY THAT 2 NON-GAME-BRED DOGS CAN BE TRUSTED ALONE? YES

TAKING ANOTHER PERSONS APBT INTO YOUR HOME HAS NOW BECOME A LESSON WITH THIS BREED. THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU IRRESPONSIBLE...AND DONT LET OTHERS GET YA DOWN. ITS A LESSON. ITS AN EYE-OPENER. BE CAREFUL WITH THESE DOGS...THEY ARE ALOT TO HANDLE AND ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. KEEP SLEEPING WITH THE DOGS TOGETHER...THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE FEW THINGS KEEPING THOSE TWO FROM GETTING AT EACHOTHERS THROATS - THE WAY YOU'RE RAISING THEM. KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE DOGS CAN LEARN FROM SEEING THE ACTIONS OF OTHER DOGS. KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH WHAT LUPE DOES AROUND YOUR OTHER TWO.

[cheekymunkee]

You know what.. I think I'll take ya'll's advice. I've got two chain link kennels.. they're smaller but big enough and these two don't climb... I'll get them moved into the pen. No since in risking it, you folks have alot more experience than I do... I'll turn them loose when I am out there. But at night in the house they are on their own. These two... well Boomer especially are petbulls


I applaud you for that decision!! Sooooo many times a poster will shoot the finger at the advice given when it comes to seperating dogs while not around. In fact, there is a member of these boards who has done it, they "know" their dogs. :rolleyes: Yeah? Will I know the breed & the saying "NEVER trust a pit bull not to fight" is not just a greeting card saying. It is a way of life ..........or death, whatever the case may be. Personally, MY dogs mean too much to me to take that chance. Good luck with your dogs.

[davidlau_2002]

What set Lupe off is that Boomer invaded her chain space territory and she was jumping on him to show her dominance good thing Boomer didnt retaliate or she would have turned on him thats why when you pulled Boomer away she started to get crazy because she was at her edge at the point before she clicks on and she had to let out her aggression and frustration somehow. Experienced dogmen know that this in one of the techniques to start one up by letting the other dog invade his or her chain space territory. The reason why she wigs out when she sees Boomer is because he is the trigger to make her start up and no that doesnt mean she is game it just means that her natural fighting insticnts switched is turned on.now that is a serious ANSWER. thank you sir. your answer has shed more light on me than 2 weeks of reading. this is the kind of stuff i'm looking for in terms of clear and concise answers. rep points!

[Saiyagin]

now that is a serious ANSWER. thank you sir. your answer has shed more light on me than 2 weeks of reading. this is the kind of stuff i'm looking for in terms of clear and concise answers. rep points!
Thanks man I can see you have a good sharp eye for the truth you got true dog man potential.