Asked to Leave...

[NCPatchwork]

So..I took Phantom to a park near my home Saturday after noon. You know him, loveable, just wants to lick and play, just like any other pit. Well, they were having a birthday party for a child on on part of the park. You see, the park is split into two sides. One is a walking park with a baseball field in the middle, the other is a pick nic place, with playground and pool. Well, we were walking around the walking park side.
Well everytime we'd get close the play ground part, he would pull towards the kids, all he wanted to do was play. Well, we had walked around the park 3 times before I noticed a cop car pulling into the driveway. I was almost around the 4th time when he stopped me and asked me to leave. He said some one from the party had called and said that I was walking a vicious dog that shouldn't be near children. He stated that they said that he was LUNGING at the children and BARKING. First off, pulling towards and lunging are two different things, and also, HE DOESN'T BARK. Phantom never barks...only at our cat. I didn't feel the need to start anything, so I took Phantom and left. Not only was I pissed, but embarrassed. Not for me, but for Phantom. It was as though they were telling him he was a bad dog and shouldn't be near children, whom he LOVES! He loves kids. When he goes to work with me, he plays with everyone that will let him near them. Its like he knew. He layed his ears against his head and layed in the seat of my car as though he was defeated. :(
I know this was probably something I will go through the rest of my life. But it killed me. The ONLY dog friendly walking park in my county and he gets dismissed. Whats funny, the sign said, "All dog breeds welcome, must be leashed at all times." :confused:

[chrisgr212]

u cant do anything. i think (unfortunately) u have to accept it. the world doesnt change in a moment:(

[Rottweilerlvr]

Same thing happened to me when it was only me and Baxter at a park in Miami, but it wasn't a cop that came, but the " head" family guy, and Baxter wasn't even pulling or tugging on the leash, but was sitting and watching the kids play on the play ground... The guy comes over and says, " Could you please take your dog somewhere else, my wife is nervous that your dog is staring at the children so aggressively?"
I said, " What part of staring at the children is aggressive?"
He stuttered, " Well, he just keeps looking at them."
I replied, " Did it ever cross your mind that he loves kids and might want to play nicely with them, but because I'm not letting him play on the playground, he's sitting here nicely and observing the fun he knows he's missing?"
" No, but none the less, will you take your dog somewhere else?"
I said, " Of course." and packed up and walked away, Baxter in a perfect heel.

I'll go to parks if it's a nice day, walk them around, play with them and set up a little picnic area and relax, eat lunch, read a romance novel and sunbath at the same time... I like it, the dogs like it and I suppose he just didn't like were I was set up at that day... I too was devastated and saddened, and there was Baxter trying to comfort me but not realizing I was sad because of the way they looked/thought of him, unfairly and without justification.

[gil230]

Things like that make me feel lucky for being stationed in Belgium. Most of the people here don't care what type of dog you have as long as you are in control of the dog. My boy Azul is loved by all our Belgian neighbors because he is the sweetest thing to them and because I have made sure to socialize Azul from the moment I got him. In fact, I take Azul with us to the Grand Place in Mons and Brussels and all people do is ask to pet Azul and play with him. Not a single person here has told me to take my dog away for fear of him becoming aggressive. Azul loves it here. People here treat him for how he behaves and acts and not for what people and the media make them out to be. I hate thinking about having to deal with people that are so ill informed and paranoid about APBTs when I go back to the States. I really feel for you and your dog.

[MR BIGGS]

In any case where I have done no wrong doing, I will not admit any fault and when you leave the scene because they fell like you shouldn't be there then yes you have been defeated and admitted to them that you were in the wrong. I don't like giving people that sense of achievement. An a$$hole with a badge and gun damn sure doesn't scare me one bit. Since they got the law involved, I would've went the same route. Obide by the sign. If there's no BSL in your area and your dog was leashed, then I'd say "I'm glad you felt the need to do your job by responding to the call made officer, but no laws have been broken and my dog and I will continue to excercise where we are rightfully allowed".
I mean really people you gotta learn to stand up for yourself without losing your cool or being too afraid. They'll run over you every time. That pisses me off more when people take advantage.

[Attila]

I have only had that happen once. I walk my dogs where I so desire to. Any one that questions me I tell them to get lost. A cop can and will loose his job for infringing on my rights. They better have a video because I will sink them in court and lawyer fee's for messing with me. I like nothing better than to break some one down in court. Make them sell their house and cars just to eat. Piss on them and their kids. As long as I have my dog contained on a leash they can kiss my Hungarian ass. If you're not breaking the law then the cop has no right or autority to force you do do a damn thing. Tell him to write the ticket and you'll see him in court or to get lost then. I am not nice to cops who are not nice to me first. I don't owe them a dag gum thing. And as long as I have the polititions here fat and happy I dare them to mess with me. I have also had them come out and visit me for shooting my guns early in the day or late at night. I till them to piss off and go home. Only My cousin and a friend are the only cops I allow on my land that I will not be an asshole to. Even they have a boundry that if they cross it I will run them off. They better have the balls enough to go back over and tell them people that I am not breaking any laws and that I can walk my dog in a public area that allows dogs and I can shoot in my state approved rifle range any time I damn well please. Because if they don't I will. To keep the peace they are the ones to take their worthless butts over and tell them to shut up and mind their own business. You should never let them pigs push you around. Buy what autority does he have to tell you to leave a community park that allows dogs when you even have your dog contained on a leash? In general I hate cops and feel that they are worthless and a waste of tax dollars. I can think of four that I personally like out side of their job. The rest of them Can bite me. A rope can do a better job than 95% of them any day.

[NOLEFAN]

I have only had that happen once. I walk my dogs where I so desire to. Any one that questions me I tell them to get lost. A cop can and will loose his job for infringing on my rights. They better have a video because I will sink them in court and lawyer fee's for messing with me. I like nothing better than to break some one down in court. Make them sell their house and cars just to eat. Piss on them and their kids. As long as I have my dog contained on a leash they can kiss my Hungarian ass. If you're not breaking the law then the cop has no right or autority to force you do do a damn thing. Tell him to write the ticket and you'll see him in court or to get lost then. I am not nice to cops who are not nice to me first. I don't owe them a dag gum thing. And as long as I have the polititions here fat and happy I dare them to mess with me. I have also had them come out and visit me for shooting my guns early in the day or late at night. I till them to piss off and go home. Only My cousin and a friend are the only cops I allow on my land that I will not be an asshole to. Even they have a boundry that if they cross it I will run them off. They better have the balls enough to go back over and tell them people that I am not breaking any laws and that I can walk my dog in a public area that allows dogs and I can shoot in my state approved rifle range any time I damn well please. Because if they don't I will. To keep the peace they are the ones to take their worthless butts over and tell them to shut up and mind their own business. You should never let them pigs push you around. Buy what autority does he have to tell you to leave a community park that allows dogs when you even have your dog contained on a leash? In general I hate cops and feel that they are worthless and a waste of tax dollars. I can think of four that I personally like out side of their job. The rest of them Can bite me. A rope can do a better job than 95% of them any day.


Couldn't have said it better myself Attila...............Some people need to realize that they also have the right to catch an a$$ whippin for not minding their own business.

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[game_test]

you shouldnt have left. you should have told the police officer politely that you had as many rights as anyone else, and if he was that concerned to set there and watch you walk your dog around to confirm the supposed BS. dont take that shit from anyone including a stupid cop, you and your dog dont deserve that kind of crap. you should have also written down the officers badge number and filed a formal complaint with his superiors.

[MercedesMama]

I wouldnt have left. I would have gone to the family and had a nice conversation. I also would have taken the officer on a walk with me. That's best case for me, if I'm in a good mood. On a bad day, I'd be leaving in the back of the police car, I have an uncontrolable mouth sometimes.

[missybee16]

I would have made one more trip around the park. Don't let anyone intimidate you, you know the truth about your dog. Then, they win.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

should have told that cop to kiss your ass. Yeah like I would have told him that!lol

[OhRex]

I totally understand why you left, or why anyone would leave. I never left, and never will. My dog is the most friendly child-loving dog. I will not be pushed away by people who have heard the news and think my dog is one of them. Nope. If they are so scared, they can move. I was taken my child to the park like they were. Me and this one lady almost seriously got into it because she didn't want that kind of dog at the park. Oh, you better believe I went off then. Ignorance.

[Hoyden]

I had something similar happen while I was in Walmart with Birdie. She had her service vest on and she was on a 4 ft. leash clipped to my belt.

This beastly woman starts bellowing and banshee-ing that pit bulls are not allowed to be service dogs and how dare I bring THAT DOG into a store.. yada yada yada yada.......

Birdie looks at her and wags her tail with her head tilted to the side giving the woman her "I'm a good dog" look. The woman goes off to find the store manager bleating and blathering at the top of her lungs the whole way.

I told Birdie to leave it and continued shopping. People were watching, but for the most part couldn't believe what an idiot this woman was being.

Ironically, the store manager and the beast caught up to us in the pet isle. I had just come around the corner and knocked a box of rubber chickens off the end cap with the carriage. Birdie was picking up the rubber chickens and handing them to me so I could put them back into the box.

The store manager told the beast that the dog had every right to be in the store as a service animal and was better behaved than some children and other shoppers, she was even picking up things she knocked over.

The woman left her shopping basket and stormed out. The store manager apologized, asked to pet Birdie, and took the carriage away with him.

I still have to laugh when I think about how it must have looked to see a pit bull holding a rubber chicken by the neck when he found us. :D

[davidlau_2002]

In any case where I have done no wrong doing, I will not admit any fault and when you leave the scene because they fell like you shouldn't be there then yes you have been defeated and admitted to them that you were in the wrong. I don't like giving people that sense of achievement. An a$$hole with a badge and gun damn sure doesn't scare me one bit. Since they got the law involved, I would've went the same route. Obide by the sign. If there's no BSL in your area and your dog was leashed, then I'd say "I'm glad you felt the need to do your job by responding to the call made officer, but no laws have been broken and my dog and I will continue to excercise where we are rightfully allowed".
I mean really people you gotta learn to stand up for yourself without losing your cool or being too afraid. They'll run over you every time. That pisses me off more when people take advantage.mad props on your comment. GREAT advice.

[semo]

that sucks man,

I don't have my pup yet, but it makes me glad that I live on 100+ acres in a rural area and dont have to rely on places like that.

There are always a holes out there though, i would learn from it and let it roll off my back personally. If people don't want my dog somewhere , i don't need to be there then.

Man i would hate to be stuck in the city again :P

[Rocky H. Balboa]

So..I took Phantom to a park near my home Saturday after noon. You know him, loveable, just wants to lick and play, just like any other pit. Well, they were having a birthday party for a child on on part of the park. You see, the park is split into two sides. One is a walking park with a baseball field in the middle, the other is a pick nic place, with playground and pool. Well, we were walking around the walking park side.
Well everytime we'd get close the play ground part, he would pull towards the kids, all he wanted to do was play. Well, we had walked around the park 3 times before I noticed a cop car pulling into the driveway. I was almost around the 4th time when he stopped me and asked me to leave. He said some one from the party had called and said that I was walking a vicious dog that shouldn't be near children. He stated that they said that he was LUNGING at the children and BARKING. First off, pulling towards and lunging are two different things, and also, HE DOESN'T BARK. Phantom never barks...only at our cat. I didn't feel the need to start anything, so I took Phantom and left. Not only was I pissed, but embarrassed. Not for me, but for Phantom. It was as though they were telling him he was a bad dog and shouldn't be near children, whom he LOVES! He loves kids. When he goes to work with me, he plays with everyone that will let him near them. Its like he knew. He layed his ears against his head and layed in the seat of my car as though he was defeated. :(
I know this was probably something I will go through the rest of my life. But it killed me. The ONLY dog friendly walking park in my county and he gets dismissed. Whats funny, the sign said, "All dog breeds welcome, must be leashed at all times." :confused:
I have only read your above post. I hope not to be redundant in case others have made the same remarks.

Reading your story got me sooooo angry! Mo Fos! I will not tell you what to do but will tell you what I would do in your place.

I would NOT have left the park. I would have first asked who made the complaint (there most be a complainant before there can be a complaint). Second, I would have pointed to the sign permitting dogs on leash. Third, I would have invited the cop(s) to pet your dog. After all this, I would explain that this sort of "complaints" arise from bigotry and not out of facts. I would explain that due to the media's portrayal of our dogs, they are deemed "dangerous" from birth.

What else would I do? I would visit that park much more often. Anyway, let me read the other posts before I write a book....lol

[Suki]

you shouldnt have left. you should have told the police officer politely that you had as many rights as anyone else, and if he was that concerned to set there and watch you walk your dog around to confirm the supposed BS. dont take that shit from anyone including a stupid cop, you and your dog dont deserve that kind of crap. you should have also written down the officers badge number and filed a formal complaint with his superiors.I agree here. ESPECIALLY since the sign clearly states that all dog breeds are welcome.
I would have politely asked for his name and badge #, and as stated, filed a complaint. I have done this in the past, (with a state "Pr", ... I mean, cop :rolleyes: ) and ended up having to go to court over it. Long story short, I won. I'm typically quiet, but when I feel my rights are being violated, I can get real vocal, real quick. IMO, people can only take advantage of you when you do/say nothing to protect yourself. While I understand your not wanting to start anything, at the same time, nothing got solved either, and you ended up leaving and regretfully, biting the bullet.
I guess I just don't have that level of patience...
Sorry to hear about your "incident". That really sux...:mad:

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Same thing happened to me when it was only me and Baxter at a park in Miami, but it wasn't a cop that came, but the " head" family guy, and Baxter wasn't even pulling or tugging on the leash, but was sitting and watching the kids play on the play ground... The guy comes over and says, " Could you please take your dog somewhere else, my wife is nervous that your dog is staring at the children so aggressively?"
I said, " What part of staring at the children is aggressive?"
He stuttered, " Well, he just keeps looking at them."
I replied, " Did it ever cross your mind that he loves kids and might want to play nicely with them, but because I'm not letting him play on the playground, he's sitting here nicely and observing the fun he knows he's missing?"
" No, but none the less, will you take your dog somewhere else?"
I said, " Of course." and packed up and walked away, Baxter in a perfect heel.Humm, being the person that I am :rolleyes: , I would have at the very least required his wife to first come and pet my dog before considering "moving away". IMHO, you leaving as you did only fortifies (reinforces) her inner fears toward the breed. Remember that this illogical fear is what we strive to replace with logical love. In fact, I would have asked him to pet my dog as well (kind of feel she may refuse to do so). This way, once he pets the dog and the woman refuses, he will be less willing to confront you because "he has" recognized the dog for what it is not what is being portray of them.

I have been asked to take my dog away but I have refused by stating that I have as much right to use the park as anyone else. The only times I leave quickly is when there is potential for off-leash dogs in the park. On those occasions, I take my dog in the car and go speak to the owner(s). I explain the law (leash at all times) and what could happen if my dog gets near their off-leash pets. One time (please forgive me), I confronted a cute girl that was nasty and stated, "Are you a cop? No? then don't tell me what to do with my dog!" I stated being concerned for the welfare of her dog. She got nasty again, so I said, alright, leave your dog as is (Originally, I had to run back to the car before the other dog saw mine), I gave a pissed off face and ran to my car, she saw I was serious and went running to grab her dog. I came back (knowing she had it on the leash) and told her, "You see! What do you think would have happened to your pet if it came towards my dog?" She stood quite while I pace back and forth around her (Yeah, that was out of anger....yes, I am human). Then, I went back to working my dog in a human park. Phew....sorry about that. It all went black for a sec.

In any case where I have done no wrong doing, I will not admit any fault and when you leave the scene because they fell like you shouldn't be there then yes you have been defeated and admitted to them that you were in the wrong. I don't like giving people that sense of achievement. An a$hole with a badge and gun damn sure doesn't scare me one bit. Since they got the law involved, I would've went the same route. Obide by the sign. If there's no BSL in your area and your dog was leashed, then I'd say "I'm glad you felt the need to do your job by responding to the call made officer, but no laws have been broken and my dog and I will continue to excercise where we are rightfully allowed".
I mean really people you gotta learn to stand up for yourself without losing your cool or being too afraid. They'll run over you every time. That pisses me off more when people take advantage.
Good post!

I have only had that happen once. I walk my dogs where I so desire to. Any one that questions me I tell them to get lost. A cop can and will loose his job for infringing on my rights. They better have a video because I will sink them in court and lawyer fee's for messing with me. I like nothing better than to break some one down in court. Make them sell their house and cars just to eat. Piss on them and their kids. As long as I have my dog contained on a leash they can kiss my Hungarian ass. If you're not breaking the law then the cop has no right or autority to force you do do a damn thing. Tell him to write the ticket and you'll see him in court or to get lost then. I am not nice to cops who are not nice to me first. I don't owe them a dag gum thing. And as long as I have the polititions here fat and happy I dare them to mess with me. I have also had them come out and visit me for shooting my guns early in the day or late at night. I till them to piss off and go home. Only My cousin and a friend are the only cops I allow on my land that I will not be an asshole to. Even they have a boundry that if they cross it I will run them off. They better have the balls enough to go back over and tell them people that I am not breaking any laws and that I can walk my dog in a public area that allows dogs and I can shoot in my state approved rifle range any time I damn well please. Because if they don't I will. To keep the peace they are the ones to take their worthless butts over and tell them to shut up and mind their own business. You should never let them pigs push you around. Buy what autority does he have to tell you to leave a community park that allows dogs when you even have your dog contained on a leash? In general I hate cops and feel that they are worthless and a waste of tax dollars. I can think of four that I personally like out side of their job. The rest of them Can bite me. A rope can do a better job than 95% of them any day.:eek: ..........Alright! Attila for president! Wait, your Hungarian-born......Attila for Vice President!

Man, when I grow up, I want to be just like you:D

[bahamutt99]

Personally, if anybody ever asked me to take my dog elsewhere, I'd ask them what law I was breaking by being there.

[ghost 1]

as long as the dog was conained as it should be,,, he has no right to ask that,,, like atillia said,,, it infringing on your constitutional rights and is sueable by law...I'de told them to kiss my @ss,,,

they can ask you to leave but can't make you

[realonebulldog]

So..I took Phantom to a park near my home Saturday after noon. You know him, loveable, just wants to lick and play, just like any other pit. Well, they were having a birthday party for a child on on part of the park. You see, the park is split into two sides. One is a walking park with a baseball field in the middle, the other is a pick nic place, with playground and pool. Well, we were walking around the walking park side.
Well everytime we'd get close the play ground part, he would pull towards the kids, all he wanted to do was play. Well, we had walked around the park 3 times before I noticed a cop car pulling into the driveway. I was almost around the 4th time when he stopped me and asked me to leave. He said some one from the party had called and said that I was walking a vicious dog that shouldn't be near children. He stated that they said that he was LUNGING at the children and BARKING. First off, pulling towards and lunging are two different things, and also, HE DOESN'T BARK. Phantom never barks...only at our cat. I didn't feel the need to start anything, so I took Phantom and left. Not only was I pissed, but embarrassed. Not for me, but for Phantom. It was as though they were telling him he was a bad dog and shouldn't be near children, whom he LOVES! He loves kids. When he goes to work with me, he plays with everyone that will let him near them. Its like he knew. He layed his ears against his head and layed in the seat of my car as though he was defeated. :(
I know this was probably something I will go through the rest of my life. But it killed me. The ONLY dog friendly walking park in my county and he gets dismissed. Whats funny, the sign said, "All dog breeds welcome, must be leashed at all times." :confused: 1. I hate Parks (to many People, to many dogs, to many trouble). I walk my dogs most times on lonely places, sometimes at night in the forest. If I would walk my dogs and see a birthday party with many kids and many other people and maybe some small curs .....I would walk away long before they could notice me.Dont get me wrong, my dogs get well with kids but you cant wipe the mediawork of years with a few words in a few minutes....people are dumb and some are v e r y dumb....I hate to discus with them.And then think about what could happen if some of the lovely kids would have a lovely little wiener dog...and the dog comes straight to you...and a few kids run after him.... my dog spike would growl like a Lion and pull the leash like a elephant. And all the people would look at me and then say:Look the Pitbull trys to kill the kids...call the police! No no...I would walk away.

[Esse818]

A dog like that he doesn't even look agressive. nex time cops or a person try to do that, mandalo a la chingada.

[PIt4life]

I wouldnt of left, i would have ran to that party and showed them wrong lol

[Attila]

Good post!

:eek: ..........Alright! Attila for president! Wait, your Hungarian-born......Attila for Vice President!

Man, when I grow up, I want to be just like you:D[/QUOTE]
I have my American citizenship. I am a dual citizen. My 21 years in the Army affirmed that. Can I still be president. lol Was Washington American born?

[NCPatchwork]

I should have stayed..but at my age, I guess they saw me as a punk..I'm 19...never been in any trouble, but none the less, the stereo type a younger person with a pit bull as "trouble." I don't like confrontation. I shouldn't have let him do that to me, yes, but I don't think I would have liked to go through a fuss with the cop. Idk...thats just me....Besides...I had worked 9 hours earlier that day..so I wasn't all there either.

[MR BIGGS]

In a real sense, regardless of stereotypes and prejugdices, this is America and we have many many rights and yours were violated. Allowing anyone to violate your rights is not only a sign of weakness but also injustice. We are supposed t obe innocent til proven guilty and if you let them work the system backwards(guilty til proven innoccent) then they have won. I understand your reasons, but I personally ask that you don't let it happen again. WE are in a crisis with this breed and any fight for freedom will help especially when your rights are violated.GOOD LUCK and don't let it get to you, just think of all the others who are fighting BSL.
I should have stayed..but at my age, I guess they saw me as a punk..I'm 19...never been in any trouble, but none the less, the stereo type a younger person with a pit bull as "trouble." I don't like confrontation. I shouldn't have let him do that to me, yes, but I don't think I would have liked to go through a fuss with the cop. Idk...thats just me....Besides...I had worked 9 hours earlier that day..so I wasn't all there either.

[bcrich]

In any case where I have done no wrong doing, I will not admit any fault and when you leave the scene because they fell like you shouldn't be there then yes you have been defeated and admitted to them that you were in the wrong. I don't like giving people that sense of achievement. An a$$hole with a badge and gun damn sure doesn't scare me one bit. Since they got the law involved, I would've went the same route. Obide by the sign. If there's no BSL in your area and your dog was leashed, then I'd say "I'm glad you felt the need to do your job by responding to the call made officer, but no laws have been broken and my dog and I will continue to excercise where we are rightfully allowed".
I mean really people you gotta learn to stand up for yourself without losing your cool or being too afraid. They'll run over you every time. That pisses me off more when people take advantage.
Could not have said it any better...

[MR.C]

I hate those kind of people! It really sucks but there are things that you got to do to avoid a much worse outcome.

Damn! I sound like a cur

[Attila]

I should have stayed..but at my age, I guess they saw me as a punk..I'm 19...never been in any trouble, but none the less, the stereo type a younger person with a pit bull as "trouble." I don't like confrontation. I shouldn't have let him do that to me, yes, but I don't think I would have liked to go through a fuss with the cop. Idk...thats just me....Besides...I had worked 9 hours earlier that day..so I wasn't all there either.
I don't see how by looking at you they would think punk kid. You look more studious and proper. Now me on the other hand they think they have a psycomaniac on their hands and they are not far from the truth. I like and invite confrontation. Nothing I like better than proving a cop wrong and punking it out. Make that punk go walk across and tell them to mind their own business and that I am not breaking any laws. If the cop doesn't I will. They will not let you do that unless they are a serious wimpy punk. It is the cops job to go tell the law and state it to them not mine. I waste too much tax dollars on them already. I have three cop friends one here, one my cousin and one a state trooper that is a Mason and a member of my lodge. The rest of them can kiss my hairy hungarian ass. I have been an Alderman and a Commitee man I am thinking about running for Justis of Peace here too. I like to stay on top of the laws and know who my enemy is. And yes Polititions, liberals, Democrats and suckasses are our enemy. They want to take your rights and run you out of places that are yours. You pay taxes too so that park is every bit a part of yours as any other persons. I would find out who that cop was and file a juntion and civil suite against him for infringing on your rights. Get that Jessie Jackson attitude and you will come out on top. I would like to give that man a dog so he can join our fight too. That old man knows how to stir up some shit. I don't like him personally but I do admire his persistance and that after so many years he is still alive and kicking the out house of the polititions of the world. He is a liberal but one that likes to fight for something even if it doesn't have any thing to do with him. He just likes the fight. Kind of like the other me. I am conservative right winger and he is liberal left winger and both love a gritty fight. Any way it cost about $35 to file a juntion, suite, complaint and sue a person in court. You don't have to hire a lawyer just read up on the laws that pertain to your suite. If you don't have $35 or what ever it cost in your county let me know and I will drive there and pay it for you. Nothing I like better than sinking pork bellies. I love war.

[mnp13]

The cop didn't make you leave, he asked you to leave. You didn't have to, you chose to. He could not have arrested you or given you a ticket if your dog was on leash. If you didn't want to leave, you shouldn't have.

He had to investigate a 911 call (which is most likely what it was) and see if the complaint was warrented. It's his job. It sure doesn't sound like he was harassing you.

[newbieturtlepits]

attila dude your a hoot!! im not the type that would obey anyone so i feel ya man ,, but then no cop has ever asked me to leave...for a date maybe but not to leave...no matter what i was doing... and no i aint no dolly either.. just look harmless no matter what im doin i guess.. asked to leave and made to leave is two different things ..if you did it on your own accord and got mad...dont bother having a fit.. just move on with your life and figure there are places where you would be welcome ,,, go there and party till ya drop... live free and live happy what else is there anyway... peace pilgrim.....

[LegendsMami]

I should have stayed..but at my age, I guess they saw me as a punk..I'm 19...never been in any trouble, but none the less, the stereo type a younger person with a pit bull as "trouble." I don't like confrontation. I shouldn't have let him do that to me, yes, but I don't think I would have liked to go through a fuss with the cop. Idk...thats just me....Besides...I had worked 9 hours earlier that day..so I wasn't all there either.I'm 19 and I walk Legend at the park all the time. People come up to me and say "oh so and so is scared!".... I don't give a damn! There's no sign saying I can't walk dogs here....The next time don't leave you and your dog did nothing wrong. And if the ones who called the cops they pack their shit their little rugrats and be on there merry way. You don't even have to argue with the cops just say there's no sign saying I can't walk my leashed dog here and walk away and continue to walk your dog.

[pennsooner]

This sort of thing is why I got a TDI/CGC on my dog Stockey. If anyone wants to make an accusation that my dog is/was intimidating someone through aggressive behavior, I just point at the TDI tag, do and sit/down and show them that the fear is irrational.

[Attila]

Ah you're just being modest. You're probably a super babe that would make all us dudes trip over our eyes. Look at ya trying to be all coy. lol Just like a lady to be super hot and thinks she is not.attila dude your a hoot!! im not the type that would obey anyone so i feel ya man ,, but then no cop has ever asked me to leave...for a date maybe but not to leave...no matter what i was doing... and no i aint no dolly either.. just look harmless no matter what im doin i guess.. asked to leave and made to leave is two different things ..if you did it on your own accord and got mad...dont bother having a fit.. just move on with your life and figure there are places where you would be welcome ,,, go there and party till ya drop... live free and live happy what else is there anyway... peace pilgrim.....

[newbieturtlepits]

Ah you're just being modest. You're probably a super babe that would make all us dudes trip over our eyes. Look at ya trying to be all coy. lol Just like a lady to be super hot and thinks she is not.


superbabalicious granny pants right !! oh lawd.. imma old granny let me find some daggone pic of my old wrinkly self you see for your self... or lookie for myspace its 1spicytomato as i am in all chats , except here..i going off to get the doggie picks and hope i handled the freakin camera right so i can post the lil ones ,, half the time my finger is in the way..lol ,, gonna check for a pic of this old grammy at now 50

[laurajean]

OK I am waiting for a pic superbabilicious granny pants with as much eagerness, I am sure, as Attila. It is always nice to have faces to associate with posts.

As far as being asked to leave, NCBlacknWhite. It is difficult to stand up for oneself, but it gets easier with age and practice. Do not beat yourself up because you were not more confrontational. Yes, you are 19 and will learn that if you let people shove you around, some will. It is possible to assert yourself without being confrontational, don't feel guilty and beat yourself up...We all live and learn..or rather some do and it seems to me you are a good candidate for being in the live and learn category.
Even those who demanded that you should have been more confrontational are supporting you...not criticizing you. They are indignant on your behalf. As am I...

[pittfallin]

you know what upsets me the most....ive had this happen alot....ill be at a park or the pet store and a child will say look at the dog and wave and stuff , and then the parents will tell the kid to stop because the dog is mean.
only once did i confront the person to show them how friendly my dog is in wich the said "im sorry" but it really does hurt to hear that

[Patch O' Pits]

I honestly would have nicely explained the situation and told him that it is illegal to discriminate against you becaues of the breed of dog you have and since it is park where dogs are allowed and yours was leashed, legal and NOT causing a problem. I would have asked either to speak to his supervisor if the issue persisted or went down and filed a complaint. I understand though why you chose to leave, but it does make you appear guilty for not speaking up. JMO. I'm so sorry this happened to you. That really stinks

[mansch]

game test
you took the words right out of my mouth, i never let the cops at the park bother me.

[NGDOGMAN]

you live and learn. I am young like you but you got to know your rights and stand up for them. Also i dont have my dogs around the general public that much but when i do i always get that evil look from about half the people. Sometimes i like to stop and show people that the "evil dog" only wants a rub or scratch behind the ear. I know it may be hard for us to bite our tongues but i think it is best to kill em with kindness. Same thing with the cop. Tell him you have a right to be there with a smile on your face. Also i have gotten people with kids that had the evil pitbull image to stop and pet my dog for a minute and talked with them about the breed for a short minute. Sometimes it takes some careful convincing that the dog is not going to bite when he is acting so excited but, When they leave you can see in their eyes that they have lost their prejudice. Not everyone will be open minded and see the truth but we have got to try and get them to see our side instead of being an ass and letting them keep thinking bad things and maybe even worse after they feel you disrespected them, even though they are wrong.

[Bud]

I would've kindly pointed out to the officer what the sign says and continued on with my walk. You were doing nothing wrong. That kind of stuff makes my blood boil. Sorry

[MIKA]

In any case where I have done no wrong doing, I will not admit any fault and when you leave the scene because they fell like you shouldn't be there then yes you have been defeated and admitted to them that you were in the wrong. I don't like giving people that sense of achievement. An a$$hole with a badge and gun damn sure doesn't scare me one bit. Since they got the law involved, I would've went the same route. Obide by the sign. If there's no BSL in your area and your dog was leashed, then I'd say "I'm glad you felt the need to do your job by responding to the call made officer, but no laws have been broken and my dog and I will continue to excercise where we are rightfully allowed".
I mean really people you gotta learn to stand up for yourself without losing your cool or being too afraid. They'll run over you every time. That pisses me off more when people take advantage.I agree 100%!! The sign gave you permission and I would have pointed it out to the cop & then I would have left to keep down pressure on our breed. JMO.

[ABK]

IMO this is just one more reason to have our pitties obedience trained. If the dog were walking at a nice heel, even on on a loose leash, it would not have been pulling toward the kids & thus would not have not scared those jelly-backed parents in the first place.

JMHO ...

[NCPatchwork]

This thread is old but let me just say one thing in my dogs defense...he is obediance trained and is a therapy dog...On a WALK I see no reason to have a dog on a heel, its supposed to be fun, not structured.

[mydawgs]

This thread is old but let me just say one thing in my dogs defense...he is obediance trained and is a therapy dog...On a WALK I see no reason to have a dog on a heel, its supposed to be fun, not structured.
You are 100% correct, walks are supposed to be fun, but in the current climate it would be wise to demonstrate complete control around the ignorant and easily frightened John Q. It may not be fair but it is the only way IMO to get through this hail storm of fear of these dogs. However it is your choice, your dog.....my only advice would to be choose wisely.

[Michele]

I just don't get people...When i see an apbt, i'll be the first one to greet the dog. I don't understand why people are so ignorant.....:confused:

[coolhandjean]

which park was it? I suddenly have an urge to go walking in the park with my boyfriend and our dogs...I'll be damned if anyone tells us we have to leave b/c of the breed we have.

[NCPatchwork]

We should plan a weekend Jean and go with all four dogs...It was redwood park..that was almost a year ago also....probably better now!

[Atwater27]

So..I took Phantom to a park near my home Saturday after noon. You know him, loveable, just wants to lick and play, just like any other pit. Well, they were having a birthday party for a child on on part of the park. You see, the park is split into two sides. One is a walking park with a baseball field in the middle, the other is a pick nic place, with playground and pool. Well, we were walking around the walking park side.
Well everytime we'd get close the play ground part, he would pull towards the kids, all he wanted to do was play. Well, we had walked around the park 3 times before I noticed a cop car pulling into the driveway. I was almost around the 4th time when he stopped me and asked me to leave. He said some one from the party had called and said that I was walking a vicious dog that shouldn't be near children. He stated that they said that he was LUNGING at the children and BARKING. First off, pulling towards and lunging are two different things, and also, HE DOESN'T BARK. Phantom never barks...only at our cat. I didn't feel the need to start anything, so I took Phantom and left. Not only was I pissed, but embarrassed. Not for me, but for Phantom. It was as though they were telling him he was a bad dog and shouldn't be near children, whom he LOVES! He loves kids. When he goes to work with me, he plays with everyone that will let him near them. Its like he knew. He layed his ears against his head and layed in the seat of my car as though he was defeated. :(
I know this was probably something I will go through the rest of my life. But it killed me. The ONLY dog friendly walking park in my county and he gets dismissed. Whats funny, the sign said, "All dog breeds welcome, must be leashed at all times." :confused:

Just wondering for future reference, but can a fop make you do that ven if the sign clearly states that all dog breeds welcome when on a leash???

[mydawgs]

Just wondering for future reference, but can a fop make you do that ven if the sign clearly states that all dog breeds welcome when on a leash???
Legally no, a cop cannot make you leave if the sign states all breeds are welcome, however a cop can make things look as though you and your innocent dog are the problem, thus putting your animal at risk.....choose your battles wisely, we as PB owners have a war to win. You can respectfully explain that the dog is a service dog and is obedeience trained and you are fully aware of your reponsibilities as a PB owner, if that does not move that particular law officer I would move on because it is a battle you will not win. On the other hand I would note his bade number and write a letter to his superiors explaining the situation in your quest for a fair shake.

[coolhandjean]

We should plan a weekend Jean and go with all four dogs...It was redwood park..that was almost a year ago also....probably better now!Definately...Some people are so dumb. Asking you to leave, just because of the breed you own. Idiots.

[NCPatchwork]

Like i said this was a long time ago..i was surprised to see the thread reopened...he was maybe 6 months old when that happened and I had ran into the officer again and he had apologized. But yeah, Jean, PM me and we'll set up a day to go walking

[mydawgs]

Like i said this was a long time ago..i was surprised to see the thread reopened...he was maybe 6 months old when that happened and I had ran into the officer again and he had apologized. But yeah, Jean, PM me and we'll set up a day to go walking
That is very cool the Officer apologized!!!! I gave up walking in crowded areas for this very reason, no matter where I was I would look over my shoulder and there would be a cop car.....saying he had gotten reports of a viscous dog siting, I corrected them and said what you have is PB siting...it isn't very fair is it!

[coolhandjean]

Like i said this was a long time ago..i was surprised to see the thread reopened...he was maybe 6 months old when that happened and I had ran into the officer again and he had apologized. But yeah, Jean, PM me and we'll set up a day to go walkingGood to hear he apologized...I can't believe they were afraid of a 6 month old pup...

[ABK]

NC - I agree walks should be fun. But there is a time & place for everything. For example, when my dogs are in JQP's eye, they are in a heel on almost all walks. But if we are out in the woods alone, I let them walk freely.

I do this just to avoid the very thing that happened to you - to keep one of my dogs from being accused of "lunging" at anyone or anything.

Besides, walking at a heel isn't like it's torture or anything. My dogs seem to like going on walks be it at a heel or not.

But either way, I'm glad the officer apologized - he probably was embarrassed to even have to say anything to you. But his hand was probably forced by the mob of paranoid soccer moms at his back. :(

[mdknaly]

I did not read through this whole thread. Only the first and last few posts.

However right before I read of NC dog park troubles I had just finish reading another post on Ch. Luther (great dog, great story of some great matches).

Am I missing something???? Folks post about a dogs prowness in the pit and then wonder "why" someone is asked to leave a park???? (I fully understand the details about the cop asking the guy to leave and how our dogs were never breed to bite humans etc. etc. etc....)

But does anyone else see the irony about posting how a dog dismantles other dogs and then being upset because a dog was asked to leave a public park??????????

You can't "have your cake and eat it too"

[davidlau_2002]

I did not read through this whole thread. Only the first and last few posts.

However right before I read of NC dog park troubles I had just finish reading another post on Ch. Luther (great dog, great story of some great matches).

Am I missing something???? Folks post about a dogs prowness in the pit and then wonder "why" someone is asked to leave a park???? (I fully understand the details about the cop asking the guy to leave and how our dogs were never breed to bite humans etc. etc. etc....)

But does anyone else see the irony about posting how a dog dismantles other dogs and then being upset because a dog was asked to leave a public park??????????

You can't "have your cake and eat it too"in all honesty isn't that the difference between a petbull and a game-dog? some people have one or the other while others have both. as long as they distinguish the difference and treat the dogs accordingly, there shouldn't be any problems. know your dog and don't put it in compromising positions where it may hurt you and the breed as a whole. im sure ablizin and abk have totally different intentions on their dogs and to me one is not superior to another. abk helps out our fight with bsl with his well behaved dog. abk's cake, although the lining is the same, has different innards than ablizin's.

[mdknaly]

Davidlua: I understand and validate your point. However, the other 99.9% of the population wouldn't know the difference between NC's dog and the Luther dog and certainly has no idea of the concept.


Also, 99.999999999% of our beloved breed NEVER EVER gets matched! But, we all want to come on here and talk about it... then wonder why people get asked to leave the park!

[Chef-Kergin]

I'm to the point now where I try and walk the dog before the sun comes up or after it goes down...don't want funny looks when she's straining at the end of her leash w/ slober flyin all over. If she wants to tug and be a nut and run to the end of her leash and fly off her feet every 2 minutes, I'll let her. I just won't be going to parks with her, or to the pet store, etc etc.

Easier on me if I don't put myself in that position where I might have to worry about what some jerk-off or idiot is going to say or ask when my dog is being a dog.

[coolhandjean]

Also, 99.999999999% of our beloved breed NEVER EVER gets matched! But, we all want to come on here and talk about it... then wonder why people get asked to leave the park!I would understand your point if the poster of this thread also posted the Luther thread, but since it was two different people, and I don't even believe she has replied to the Luther thread. I don't see how the OP is wanting to have her "cake and eat it too."...

[Michele]

Also, 99.999999999% of our beloved breed NEVER EVER gets matched! But, we all want to come on here and talk about it... then wonder why people get asked to leave the park!Different dogs have different levels of DA and you are trying to lump them all together. Do you work for PETA?

ALSO, a responsible owner should be AWARE of their dogs level and not put the dog in a bad situation.

ALSO, what does this thread have to do with the Luther thread?

[mdknaly]

Michelle: I don't work for anyone associated w/ BSL (though they cruise this site I can assure you!)


People (that is the 99.9% of the rest of this world) don't know the difference between a pet bull, game dog or show Staffie. I know the difference and only 0.1% of the population knows the difference (that's us) So, NO, I do not lump them all together but the rest of the world does.

Anyone can tell that this thread has nothing to do w/ the thread on Ch. Luther. You didn't quite comprehend what I was saying.

I was relating the moaning in this thread to the Luther thread because how do you think it looks to an outsider (99.99999% of the rest of the world)?We make posts about Ch. Luther breaking bones, ripping off ears etc... and then have the audacity to be mad because someone was asked to leave the park?

We look stupid or are we that shallow that we can't show empathy for the rest of the world?

Some of the stuff on here just feeds their fires to be against a breed I truely love, treasure and adore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm trying to preserve my grandchildrens right to own this breed (if they choose) I'm not trying feed anti-BSL and my ego all in one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Watcher]

havent seen you grace us with any interesting reads naly...

I mean, according to you, what shall we talk about?
there is a professional and legal way to discuss the history of gamedogs..

especially ones that competed where this sport is legal.


Michelle: I don't work for anyone associated w/ BSL (though they cruise this site I can assure you!)


People (that is the 99.9% of the rest of this world) don't know the difference between a pet bull, game dog or show Staffie. I know the difference and only 0.1% of the population knows the difference (that's us) So, NO, I do not lump them all together but the rest of the world does.

Anyone can tell that this thread has nothing to do w/ the thread on Ch. Luther. You didn't quite comprehend what I was saying.

I was relating the moaning in this thread to the Luther thread because how do you think it looks to an outsider (99.99999% of the rest of the world)?We make posts about Ch. Luther breaking bones, ripping off ears etc... and then have the audacity to be mad because someone was asked to leave the park?

We look stupid or are we that shallow that we can't show empathy for the rest of the world?

Some of the stuff on here just feeds their fires to be against a breed I truely love, treasure and adore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm trying to preserve my grandchildrens right to own this breed (if they choose) I'm not trying feed anti-BSL and my ego all in one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michele]

I'm trying to preserve my grandchildrens right to own this breed (if they choose) I'm not trying feed anti-BSL and my ego all in one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<!-- / message --><!-- sig --> Look pal, I'm trying to preserve your grandchildren's rights so they can own this breed if they want to.....

For anyone to be graced with owning this breed, the HISTORY has to come along with it......to really know this breed......if you can't deal with that...than I'm sorry.....

[mdknaly]

I love the history! But there is a time and a place for it to be discussed. On a open public forum is not the place! If folks keep giving BSL the ammo they love then my grandchildren will not be able to own this breed in the USA, Don't believe me? Ask certain folks in areas of this Country who can not leggaly own this breed! Ask folks in Great Britian and Gernmany!

[Michele]

I love the history! But there is a time and a place for it to be discussed. On a open public forum is not the place! If folks keep giving BSL the ammo they love then my grandchildren will not be able to own this breed in the USA, Don't believe me? Ask certain folks in areas of this Country who can not leggaly own this breed! Ask folks in Great Britian and Gernmany!
what are YOU doing to fight BSL?.....

[mdknaly]

I'm trying to get you folks to watch what you put up on this forum! I don't walk my dogs in the park, only discuss matches (past, present and future) with very close friends and it's done person to person, not on the internet ,phone or mail.

That's more than most do... how bout you, Micheele?

[ChiaPit]

only discuss matches (past, present and future) with very close friends and it's done person to person, not on the internet ,phone or mail. ?
......................................?

[Michele]

I'm trying to get you folks to watch what you put up on this forum! I don't walk my dogs in the park, only discuss matches (past, present and future) with very close friends and it's done person to person, not on the internet ,phone or mail.

That's more than most do... how bout you, Micheele?You are not fighting BSL by coming here "trying" to get "us" folk to watch ourselves.......this board is one of the most educational apbt forums that there is.

As far as what I do, I sign every petition that I can; i write letters to every single politician that I can; I back up all my letters with positive articles about the breed; I make tons of phone calls to politicians, judges, DAs; every negative article that I get, I do something about it. I educate as many people as I can about the breed

BSL is a daily part of my life. I don't just jump on a forum and call it a day. So, kiss your dog, ok? And no need to thank me. It's part of my job. Does that answer your question?

[cheekymunkee]

......................................?
EXACTLY!!! And you are trying to get people to watch WHAT??? And you just put up for the world to see that you discuss FUTURE AND PRESENT matches over the phone. Interesting to say the least. What is this thread about again???

[mdknaly]

Ther is wonderful educational info on here. Some of you folks are great! I've learned alot. But damn... keep the match stuff off here and between gentlemen.

If ya don't than don't cry in the future when ya get asked to leave the park or worse to "turn over your dogs."

What purpose do the match stories serve? Education or entertainment and ego boosting?

[mdknaly]

Cheeky- you took that out of context. I would never discuss anything illegal over the phone, internet or thru the mail.

[Michele]

I'm trying to get you folks to watch what you put up on this forum! I don't walk my dogs in the park, only discuss matches (past, present and future) with very close friends and it's done person to person, not on the internet ,phone or mail.

That's more than most do... how bout you, Micheele?

keep the match stuff off here and between gentlemen.
well then, FOLLOW YOUR OWN ADVICE.....

[cheekymunkee]

I'm trying to get you folks to watch what you put up on this forum! I don't walk my dogs in the park, only discuss matches (past, present and future) with very close friends and it's done person to person, not on the internet ,phone or mail.

That's more than most do... how bout you, Micheele?How did I take that out of context? This is exactly what you said, how did I change it in any way?


edit: I even made it big for you so you can see it incase you have suddenly gone blind.

[mdknaly]

I have never posted anything about matches anywhere! what are you talking about?

[ChiaPit]

Cheeky- you took that out of context. I would never discuss anything illegal over the phone, internet or thru the mail.


LOL...Honey, you need to turn off the computer, get yourself something cold to drink, and think about this for a minute.

[cheekymunkee]

I have never posted anything about matches anywhere! what are you talking about?Do you not read your OWN posts? LOOK at what you said!! Good grief, kind of hard to deny what is written under YOUR name in black & white. I am not going to quote YOUR Post again. Look at what you wrote.

[mdknaly]

So what, I may or may not talk with some gentlemen about some future event, so what???? I am talking about the stories on this website


You guys are really picking... do you think the stories on this web site are detrimental or not - whatever you answer i will have to respectfully agree or disagree.

[Michele]

I am talking about the stories on this website.
The "stories" on this site are a part of history.

[The Watcher]

thanks mdknaly for bringing WAY more attention to this subject the ever was created by its original source... Luther's thread.


i suggest everyone stop paying attention to this banjoworm.

[cheekymunkee]

History is history, denying that changes nothing. There is a LOT of ugliness in history be it with dogs, people, whatever. History is not the reason for BSL, denying these dogs history is the reason for BSL. People forgetting just what they have is the reason for BSL, history & discussing it are not the problem. Careless OWNERS are the problem.

[coolhandjean]

I'm trying to preserve my grandchildrens right to own this breed (if they choose) I'm not trying feed anti-BSL and my ego all in one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So, wouldn't the best way to fight BSL be for the responsible owners of the breed to not shy away from the public eye, and show that our dogs can be loving parts of society as well?...If she was at a dog park or just letting her dog run free in the park, I'd say, "jeez, you are setting yourself and your dog up for danger."...But she was just minding her own business bring her dog on a walk on a leash. I don't think she should be punished for it...Maybe I am misreading you, but not showing the good of our dogs, will just leave the bad out there. The Media is against us. They will continue to show the negatives. We need to show the positives...
If it's not this thread you are mad about, but instead the Luther thread, then maybe you should join the sister site, the pet bull site (http://www.pitbull-chat.com/). Just a suggestion.